The Greatest Broncos Of All Time....By The Numbers - #6
The Candidates -
Jay Cutler, QB -- 2006-Present
Jason Baker, P/K -- 2004
Joe Nedney, K -- 2000
Bubby Brister, QB -- 1997-99
Ralph Giacommaro, P -- 1987
Enough with the kickers and punters already! Even if one of the three listed above had spent more than a season each with the Broncos I would have excluded them on principle alone. With Baker, Nedney and Ralphie out of the way I was left with a tougher than expected decision. Of course, I am never one to sit on the fence and after thinking about it over a Coke Zero I came to a decision.
The Greatest Bronco To Ever Wear #6 Is....
Jay Cutler, QB -- (2006 - Present)

It really wasn't that tough, I mean, come on, Cutler is the future of the franchise and has already shown just how talented he can and will be. While the wins have come as fast and furious as we would like, Cutler hasn't been to blame, and his handling of the Jake Plummer situation, the Brandon Marshall incident and his medical situation shows why the QB was voted a Team Captain before last season.
A quick note about the other #6, Bubby Brister. A journeyman QB at best, he did provide the Broncos a solid backup at a time when John Elway struggled to get on the field each and every week. During the 1998 season, Brister was forced into action in 5 games, starting 4. The Broncos won them all on their way to their 2nd straight Super Bowl title. In hindsight, I wonder if Shanny ever second-guesses his decision to skip Brister in favor of Brian Griese heading into the 1999 season.
A MHR Hattip to Brister for a couple years of solid service as the backup to a legend on a World Championship team. For me, Cutler has proven to be much more valuable, both now and in the future. He has only scratched the surface of what he can do and be. For that reason, what he has done and will ultimately do, Jay Cutler gets the nod as the Greatest #6 in Broncos history.
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What?
Not Ralph Giacommaro? I demand I recount!!! Clearly rigged!!!
by UnarmingMermaid on Jun 19, 2008 12:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Guru is clearly letting his emotions cloud his judgement!
According to Silverandblackpride.com, Jay Cutler is an unproven quarterback who has never had a winning record…therefore how could you possibly rank him above Brister OR even Nedney? Crazy Guru…simply CRAZY! Were talking Williamson crazy or OakFoSho crazy. I demand a retraction immediately!
This injustice must be made right.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Tim Lynch on Jun 19, 2008 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
zappa
Cutler caried a bunch of doctors and lawyers in the ULTRA-competitive SEC. I think Guru is right on.
Fair play Guru.
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on Jun 19, 2008 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've never heard of sarcasm?!? lmfao
You really think I want Joe Nedney or Bubby Brister instead of Jay Cutler? I actually thought I was being quite funny, but I guess not…
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Tim Lynch on Jun 19, 2008 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still can't believe you took all my comments seriously...
man! Am I really that dull? lol
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Tim Lynch on Jun 19, 2008 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you could put it this way;
How many wins does Brister have as a Bronco vs. Cutler? I think the choice is already obvious. What does that say about Cutler’s future?
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 19, 2008 12:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
In retrospect...
...Brister would have been a better choice than Griese. But at the time we thought we had the answer at QB and everyone wanted to see him take the reins of that powerful Denver offense.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 19, 2008 12:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Very well put
I agree with everything. Brister served well in his role as the back up to the best QB of all time. Jay is definately the man of the future. Hopefully a long future at that.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jun 19, 2008 12:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Scrubby Brister
He was 4-0 as a starter in 1998. However I do think starting Griese was the better choice in 1999. That is not saying much, though. I totally agree with JC as the best #6. Plus it only took him 21 games to claim the number as his.
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 19, 2008 12:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
For Me...
It really came down to off the field as much as on the field. Cutler is a team leader and has complete command of the locker room. That is huge and it isn’t just “handed” to the starting QB. For that reason, as much as anything, Cutler was the easy choice.
-TSG
www.milehighreport.com
by John Bena on Jun 19, 2008 12:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's not forget
that Bubby never had to wrestle with the multiheaded hydra of diabetes like Cutz, and with a name like Bubby, he probably didn’t have as cool of parents either.
I jest, of course….
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 19, 2008 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% right
I would have liked to see Cutler up against tougher competition, like a classic broncos WR or a more modern great like Dennis Smith, just to see how he would fare. But I definitely agree that he is the future, and frankly, it hasn’t looked this bright in a loooong time.
I will say that Bubby was one of my favorite “lean years” players. I loved his bumpkin bravado, and I definitely second guess Shanny on the decision not to put that powerful offense into the hands of a proven dirt-track racer, instead of the equivalent of an untested andretti…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 19, 2008 1:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's my faulty memory
but I think Shanahan later admitted it was a mistake. Or maybe I’m just remembering the speculation that he stuck with a floundering Plummer as long as he did because he remembered what happened the last time he pulled the plug prematurely. The players didn’t buy into that decision – they supported Brister – and that’s one of the reasons that team struggled.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Jun 20, 2008 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bubby was a good ole' boy
Great memories of Bubby. When he wasn’t playing football he was fishing or duck hunting down in Louisiana. I liked it when Bubby came to Denver because I always knew he was a competitor. I remember that playoff game against Pittsburgh in 1989. Brister was the starting QB for the Steelers and Elway starting for Denver. The Broncos won 24-23. It was a real duel between the QB’s that day. Brister almost won that game for Pittsburgh.
Brister and Elway were alike in the competative nature. Neither one hated to lose.
I remember Bubby telling the story about how he beat John Elway at a game of pool at Elway’s house. The next day Elway had the table removed and bought a new pool table because he had never been beaten on the old one before.
If it wasn’t for Cultler, BB would get the nod. Cultler has shown too much already in 21 games. Jay is the future of this team. Hopefully, we’ll retire #6 in 15 years.
"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras
by Denver Diehard on Jun 19, 2008 2:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
love bubby, solid backup,
but he was one of the dumbest qb’s ever to lace up his shoes (sometimes he even got them on the right feet). I’m talking Bradshaw-level dumb. That’s why Shanny handed it over to Griestrap seemingly out of the blue, Bubby couldn’t grasp it.
“Aw shucks, just a fade route over there somehwere”
by hercules rockefeller on Jun 19, 2008 2:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that is dumb
I wonder if he needed the C and T spotted to spell cat also
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 19, 2008 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite as dumb as Frerotte
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything as dumb as giving oneself a concussion head-butting a wall!
To think that we picked him up after that!
"It's all over Fat Man"
- Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
by DesertBroncoFan on Jun 19, 2008 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
not too mention
he sprained his neck in an epic 7-7 tie against the Giants. I think they placed him on IR. Then of course he had to become a bronco QB and have to throw for 462 to beat the 1-10 Chargers in 2000 38-37. He threw 5 tds and had 4 picks.
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 19, 2008 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bubby If you are reading this FanPost...
Thank you for your service. Those were the days when we didn’t have cringe when the back up QB came in. You played with heart and won games. You will always be welcome at my crawdaddy fry.
Three Cheers for Bubby – The Scrappy Man the thought he could. I think I can… I think I can… I think I can…. and boy did he.
Not that I think he should take the honor as the Best to wear #6 with Culter in the mix. However, I for one am glad he worn the orange and blue.
These low numbers are pretty cut and dry. However, I think when we get in the 80’s there is going to be heated debates. Looking forward to the continuation of the series. Great Stuff. I would also like to place a bet for the next post…. Number 7? Anyone want to lose some money?
by YellowStoneBronco on Jun 19, 2008 3:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Craig Morton
Oh…. are you being serious?
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 19, 2008 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elway or No Way!
Sure, Morton was a solid veteran…but in the Jake Plummer mold, not the John Elwat mold.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Tim Lynch on Jun 19, 2008 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not wanna be that obvious
Geez would anyone really take Craig over the best QB in the history of the NFL?
Plus I would take Morton over Plummer. They both equally stunk in the playoffs. But who could lead the Broncos back from a 34-10 defict (Elway could also but I am comparing Morton/Plummer) and win?
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 19, 2008 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craig over Plummer
Morton could place a football between a moth’s antenna and not hurt the wings. Jake could place a football into the enemy’s hand and not hurt their fingers.
by Mike Clark on Jun 19, 2008 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
and from an idaho guy no less…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 19, 2008 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny
Styg You either have no recall or you are too young to see a Morton pass.
by Mike Clark on Jun 19, 2008 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Styg I'm sorry
I never liked Plummer.
by Mike Clark on Jun 19, 2008 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no problem Mike
we gotta call em how we see em. :)
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 20, 2008 7:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are confusing Jake Plummer with Brian Griese...
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Tim Lynch on Jun 19, 2008 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you remember
His last 11 games. Man I swear it was a toss up if Jake was going to hit the right target. Somewhere between the 2005 season and the 2006 season Plummer lost something. maybe his desire to play. Maybe he became disgrunlted becuz of drafting JC. I dont know. But he was better than Griese. But those 2 seemed to parallel each other by the time the were thru here in Denver they did not car!
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 20, 2008 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The drafting of JC and the loss of Kubiak destroyed Plummers
will to play football. He no longer had the desire to play.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Tim Lynch on Jun 20, 2008 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me thats sad
And completely unprofessional. You getting paid millions. Crap like that just makes me so friggin mad. Do you know what I would do just to earn the NFL minimum? SAD
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 20, 2008 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd play for 25% of the minimum! lol
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Tim Lynch on Jun 20, 2008 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the only reason......
the death of Pat Tillman shook him more than anything else.
fader nation is a conquered nation
by mdierk on Jun 20, 2008 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That happened before the 2005 stud season he had, so are you saying it was a delayed reaction to his death?
Or just that his desire to play finally died out because of that death and the things that happened to him in 2006 losing his starting job and all that.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Tim Lynch on Jun 20, 2008 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tillman's death
had a big effect on Jake, and I agree with mdierk. The fact that he got through a season with some fine stats while dealing with it actually makes me think he is/was more of a pro than we give him credit for. Remember, the first year after he died, Pat Tillman was a hero who died engaging the enemy. It wasn’t until later that it came out that Tillman was killed accidentally by friendly fire.
As that reality sunk in, the fact that his closest friend gave up the dream that they both shared, for something he felt was a higher calling, and died in a very random way doing it, made him reflect on his own life, hopes and dreams. And he came out of that realizing he had other goals he wanted to pursue, and that life is fragile at best.
Heck, I’d play for the free warm-ups. But maybe after a few years, millions, life changing events, etc. I could see being ready to move on and climb the next peak (literally!)
by jonahsilas on Jun 20, 2008 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He once tried to put it
between Al Davis’s eyes on Shanahan’s orders. All the way across the field. He had a skinny arm that was like a whip. No way he should have been able to throw with that velocity, but he could. He was also as agile as an armchair and had as fragile a psyche as Griese.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Jun 20, 2008 12:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean Craig Morton, of course
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Jun 20, 2008 12:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of a shame Morton will be up against Elway.
It’s a no brainer but Morton was a superb quarterback. He’s still number 2 in my book at QB right now, even better than Charlie Johnson who I’ll tentatively put at number 3 at the QB position. That’s based on what they’ve done on the field. But check with me again at the end of the season. I’ve got a feeling Cutler is going to fly right by both of them. By the end of his career I wouldn’t be surprised if he ranks right up there with… dare I say it, Elway.
But I have nothing but respect and gratitude for the significant contributions Morton and Johnson made to the Bronco legacy. And BTW, Craig, in case you’re reading, I think the Cowboys screwed you over but thank God you came here.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 20, 2008 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guru. At first I thought you were crazy
That ‘98 Super Bowl year Bubby stepped in and led the team to some important victories, a hurdle Jay has not yet got over. Then I started thinking about it.
Bubby stepped in and helped drive a fine-tuned sports car, handing the ball off to the Davis running machine. I love Bubby for his contributions that year, but what did he step into and what did Jay step into?
Bubby stepped into the fine-tuned car, Jay stepped into a team that seemed to be losing its identity. Its running game was modest at best-only the system was keeping it alive. javon was having a good year but Rod was playing with a pain in the hip that few others could tolerate. I wish we had won that last game against San Fran-we might not have suffered the weird changes of last year.
The next year we get this new great defense, which turns out to be so confused, that even Champ gets beat bad on occasion. We can still run, because of the system, but we can’t keep any runners healthy. To make matters worse most of our offensive line goes down and Lepsis never really regains form.
Is Jay the greatest #6 ever? A guy that comes in and gives everything, despite the issues, losing over 30#’s in body-weight (as well as stamina and strength), and ends up one of the NFL’s top ranked passers…he is special.
I may be living in the fuzzy-good-feeling-land of pre-season, but I think we have something special. Jay’s the best! Go Jay! Go Boncos!
by Mike Clark on Jun 19, 2008 4:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bubby did right by the Broncos.
I’m not so sure the Broncos did right by him. But even now, Cutler is better.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 20, 2008 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
At first I thought Bubby for a couple more years.
Jack, I agree. Bubby won all the games he was asked to win, but I must give in. Cutler has never had an advantage of any kind—and yet has excelled. I just read your post and it is a good post.
by Mike Clark on Jun 20, 2008 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 23, 2008 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked all over online
but I’m out of time. Does anybody remember some NFL film of Brister running into the huddle and saying something like “Hey anybody ever hear of a 66 cross or something like that? No? Well, let’s just run somethin’ else…” That probably isn’t anything remotely like what he said, but I remember it being pretty funny and “All Bubby.”
I think it might be on the America’s Game DVD for the 98-99 season.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 19, 2008 5:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, my friend
I remember this very, very well. That’s exactly where it’s from. Brister had no handle on the playbook at all, but that 98 team was such a machine, that it didn’t matter what Bubby did. They were going to roll on people. That’s why Shanny went with Griese the next year, Bubby was really to dumb to get it. Schlereth or TD or somebody alluded to that being the reason why he made the switch on that show.
by hercules rockefeller on Jun 19, 2008 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all fairness to Bubby,
he IS the current record holder for longest TD run by a Broncos QB.
And even when I’m the one that writes it, I still do double-takes at that.
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Jun 19, 2008 6:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Disco_Stats
Bubby ran that O when John sat. No need for double-takes, he had Sharp, Eddie Mac and Rod “football God” Smith blocking upfield for him on corners that didn’t know that was legal. What was he supposed to do a QB slide? Those were good days.
I’ll give him a 1/2 point over Jay for hairstyle too.
by HBBeough on Jun 19, 2008 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've mentioned it before
But I was at the game where Brister scored that TD. In fact, he was running right towards my section.
What makes me do the double take is this: Bubby had (at least what appeared to be) the TINIEST baby steps on the run; the play took so long, I could have gone up, gotten a soda (too young to drink at the time), and STILL made it back for the end of the play! He was halfway down the field before anyone noticed, and it was STILL a close call at the end zone. It was the ultimate naked bootleg…if only because there was no way Bubby should have been running it.
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Jun 20, 2008 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You shoulda ordered a beer
You might have been old enough to dirnk it by the end of the run!
by jonahsilas on Jun 20, 2008 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus it was against KC
That was the game where Sharpe got into Derrick Thomas’ dome and he had like back to back upsortsmanlike penalties. TD had a killer game and the Broncos won 30-7. Biggest ever win in KC
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 20, 2008 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That game!
That was the best Denver KC game ever. I was laughing harder than Sharp after those facemasking calls.
by HBBeough on Jun 21, 2008 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was watching with a Chiefs fan...
...and even he was laughing!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 21, 2008 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It must be a great run after the catch because...
...only Morton and Elway, and now Cutler, had or have that kind of arm.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 20, 2008 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not TD Pass
TD RUN. Naked Bootleg. Just sillyl
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Jun 23, 2008 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guru should have put a poll up....
I bet Cutler would win, but I wonder how many votes ole Brister would get.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Tim Lynch on Jun 19, 2008 6:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
there should be a poll on all of these. Not to second guess Guru, but for some fun debate type stuff.
by hercules rockefeller on Jun 19, 2008 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree...
But some just don’t seem to merit. When we get into the nitty-gritty I will add polls.
As a token of my extreme generosity, I have added a poll to see who the best #6 is – Cutty or Bubby. Vote away!
-TSG
www.milehighreport.com
by John Bena on Jun 20, 2008 5:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like #7? lol
Or #0? or many of these early numbers? :)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Tim Lynch on Jun 20, 2008 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The suspense is absolutely killing me.
Who on earth could be the best Bronco ever to wear #7?
"The angel is no more than the shark well-governed." -Herman Melville
by jadunn on Jun 19, 2008 9:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it'll be John Elway!!!
by UnarmingMermaid on Jun 19, 2008 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That proves
That you’re a bandwagon fan, with no real knowledge of the Broncos. You only know the name of the greatest Bronco player ever…and that “automatically” makes him the best #7? Silly.
:oP
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Jun 20, 2008 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disco... lighten up mate!
You have great comments… and I appreciate you insight throughout the MHR site. But don’t slam the man for loving John.
I think this will be a old man vs young man vote on number 7.
I am 32 and really only know John Elway games. I lived through all the comebacks sitting next to my Dad . He raised all of his kids to love the Men in Orange as he grew up in Arvada. I remember that would say... Ohh Morton would have made that throw on a few occasions. I heard stories... I am sure I saw him play but as I was only 2 - 8 while he played for the Broncos, I really don't remember much about him, other than he was a sharp passer. So needless to say, I never saw it for myself.
However, that being said I am excited for the “Old Men’s” thoughts, and look forward to the education on the other number 7 of which I have only heard of and not really experienced.
by YellowStoneBronco on Jun 20, 2008 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disco was just
having fun. He is a good guy who treats others with class. I am 100% sure he was being sarcastic.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 20, 2008 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Styg... sheepishly
I see now. I missed the smiley face at the end of the message. Sorry Disco I took it literally and could not see why you would stoop to name calling. Bandwagon fan would hurt me deep! I see it is all a for big laughs… and now I just added to its funniness. You are all welcome to laugh at my expense.
The middle section of my post formated strangely and truncated. I wrote to Guru and he said it was a bug. Anyway… that part I waxed strong about how I watched games with my Dad my whole younger life. My Dad was a big Morton fan. He grew up in Denver and raised us on bronco football. I remember his descriptions of Morton’s accuracy. I am sure I have seen Morton play on TV but as I was only 2-8 during his years as a Bronco that I don’t really remember it.
then the last of my post:
However, that being said I am excited for the "Old Men’s" thoughts, and look forward to the education on the other number 7 of which I have only heard of and not really experienced.
All respect to the older fans. you lived through the years of pain. To this day my Dad will not allow raiders gear to cross the threshold of his house. In high school some of my friends would come over in raiders gear and he would throw them out telling them to never disrespect him or his house again. Then he would throw them a t-shirt and invite them back in after they changed. My boys are still small but I plan on keeping that tradition alive.
I guess that is why “bandwagon” cut me to the core. Unarming how about some props for coming to your defense even though It was a joke and I am an idiot?
by YellowStoneBronco on Jun 20, 2008 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your dad is a smart man
I cant think of anything worse than wearing fader gear to a bronco fans house. Even though redwing and corhusker crap comes in a close 2nd.
I loved Morton. But he was historically bad in the playoffs. Under 50% passing and more picks than tds. THAT being said, he was the right guy at the right time for this franchise. He will always be my 2nd favorite QB in Denver. Remember this the week of the AFC title game in 1977 he was in the hospital almost all week with a hip injury. Craig Penrose was going to start and took all the reps. Morton check himself outta the hosptial on Friday/Saturday before the game and had a pretty good game. By far his best in any post season game for him. I also remember the guy and to get out of the hospital in 1982 to just to retire. He was a gamer and the Broncos owe him a HUGE debt of gratitude. He had leadship and was a winner. I truly believe Denver would not have went to Super Bowl XII if it was for his leadership.
I dont blame ya on the bandwagon thing. That is the 2nd most vile insult, next to calling the Broncos the “d” word
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 20, 2008 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I greatly appreciate it!!!
Good to know you’ve got my back!
No reason to feel like an idiot…it was just a misunderstanding!!!
by UnarmingMermaid on Jun 20, 2008 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks UnarmingMermaid... and my appolgies to Disco.
Sorry for mis- reading/understanding your post.
by YellowStoneBronco on Jun 20, 2008 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries at all!
I will give you props for coming to someone else’s aid: better to make a stand than not when you’re not sure. Cheers!
And I wouldn’t call any of the people on MHR a “bandwagon” fan, and actually mean it.
I will do my best to include [sarcasm] tags, just to make sure. :o)
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Jun 23, 2008 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now wait just a doggone minute.
I’m an old guy and I think Elway is the best ever to wear #7, not just for the Broncos but in the history of the NFL. It’ll just be a shame if we forget all those wonderful games Morton gave us too.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 20, 2008 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Wikipedia - John Elway
Elway was named the greatest athlete wearing the #7 by Sports Illustrated. Current Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who grew up idolizing Elway and Joe Montana, wears number 7 in honor of Elway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elway
So not only the best bronco… but the best ever to wear no. 7.
by YellowStoneBronco on Jun 20, 2008 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stu is cool.
A while back I got pummeled by other contributers for a post that stepped on Stu’s feet and he came in and stomped out the fire. He’s just having fun. Look at the guy’s name… he loves the 70’s.
Anyway, I’m picking Elway too.
by HBBeough on Jun 21, 2008 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or I love
obscure Simpson’s references. :o)
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Jun 23, 2008 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
An obscure Simpson's reference?
I thought it was pretty blatant!
"It's all over Fat Man"
- Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
by DesertBroncoFan on Jun 23, 2008 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Maybe obscure if you don’t watch much Simpsons….but at that point, almost ANY reference is obscure.
Revise above comment to “Or I love a good Simpson’s reference.”
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Jun 23, 2008 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I recall...
Bubby had a horrible pre-season that year. Something like 6 INTs to one TD run. He was over anxious and tried to hard to make the home run play on every down. I think Shanahan felt the Broncos could at least contend for another title run without Elway but Bubby just looked aweful.
Elway is in, Zimm is in but don't forget: Floyd Little, Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Jun 19, 2008 11:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I have only one comment
Zero sugar, zero taste… I mean, c’mon, i tastes like liquid fudge…
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on Jun 20, 2008 5:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You must be joking!
Coke Zero is the B-E-S-T!
-TSG
www.milehighreport.com
by John Bena on Jun 20, 2008 6:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm stiking to the original!
Hard… avg of a litre a day.
When it comes to coke – if it aint broken – don’t fix it!
Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on Jun 20, 2008 7:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
I used to drink Cherry Coke by the gallon…Eventually the body starts to show the signs, had to find a compromise….
-TSG
www.milehighreport.com
by John Bena on Jun 20, 2008 7:55 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
OK.. here's my take.
Maybe in a couple years, we’ll look back and see that Cutler is the clear choice at #6, but at this point, I have to play the Devil’s Advocate. Jay shows so much promise, and I am a HUGE Jay Cutler fan. However, Brister showed he could play well. Even though he was an “aw shucks” kinda guy, he knew his role… and played his role perfectly.
With that being said, I think that if Jay Cutler has a good season in ‘08, and we win ten games(at least) then I’d rethink my position.
: : : :
Now, concerning the difference between Brister and Griese:
I was solidly behind Brister as the starter over Griese.
His experience as a backup behind Elway for those couple of years showed that he could manage the offense well, and honestly that’s all he needed to do… and he knew it. Griese on the other hand was tough as nails (anyone remember the Oakland game when he played with a separated shoulder?). However, he let his brain get in the way of his play. Honestly, I think he was too smart for his own good. He was like Elway in his early years in that he tried to do everything himself.
Therein lies the difference between the two. Bubby knew that he only needed to drive the car… Griese thought he had to push it.
by Davus.X on Jun 20, 2008 8:02 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Classic.
Bubby knew that he only needed to drive the car… Griese thought he had to push it.
By the way, I don’t believe you. (picking Bubs over Cuts). ;)
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 20, 2008 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
I love Cutler, and I think he’ll be a GREAT quarterback if he can stay healthy. He has the potential to push for a spot in the Ring of Fame. There is no other QB that I’d rather have than JC.
However.
At this point, he is merely a sidenote in the storied history of the Broncos. Given his talent and potential, he will certainly become more than that.
Brister has his part in history cemented. As HT points out below, he helped the Broncs to a Super Bowl Ring. If Cutler goes 10-6 this year, as Guru predicts, then I may change my stance…. and regardless, I’m sure it’s only a matter of time.
by Davus.X on Jun 20, 2008 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on.
Sticking to your guns, I like that.
Let’s think about what Cutler has already provided though. He has stepped up as a mature and thoughtful leader at a time when this team is desparate for compass. He has already led multiple game saving drives. Errrm…. ok that’s all I got for now. :)
Oh wait! Cutler has also learned about twenty times what Bubby learned while he was here. :) That has to count for something right? To Shanny maybe?
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 20, 2008 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most certainly
Cutler came in and cemented stability for us at QB, but don’t forget that he was inserted into the starting lineup when the Broncos were just 12 games removed from a 13-3 season, an AFC West Championship and AFC Championship Runners-up. Who could have foreseen Plummer’s season plummeting the way it did? It very well may have had something to do with his inability to handle such a talent as Cutler looking over his shoulder.
I heartily agree that Cutler is THE MAN right now, and for the future. As for his history with the team, in my opinion, he has only showed how promising his career can be in a hopefully bright Broncos future.
But, as far as history is concerned, I must give Bubs the edge.
by Davus.X on Jun 20, 2008 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll hang with you
Davus.X. I more or less was ready to write something very much like your first post, and saw yours. Admiitedly, as a Kentuckian and an outdoor enthusiast, I am an unabashed fan of the back woods NFL players, but I do think Bubby can take the prize here. Good chance he holds it for less than 6 months though.
If Cutler quit tomorrow, he wouldn’t live up to Bubby’s 2 rings, role playing, character (as in being one) and success… But I fully expect him to surpass Bubby, possibly even when he celebrates his first game with treated diabetes by whuppin’ up on the Faders on MNF. At that point he joins the pantheon as “The Kid Who Succeeded Despite Diabetes,” if nothing else. Within a couple of years, I assume he blows Bubby out of the water.
His body of work, at this point, however, is not enough. A couple decent seasons – heck even Griese could put that together – but certainly flashed way less promise in doing it.
by jonahsilas on Jun 20, 2008 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I'm weighing in.
Cutler get points for something we all value deeply: hope (because he is our future) and courage (because he played sick last year and still performed).
Brister gets points because he played behind the greatest QB our team has ever known and did two things: he stepped in when things were going to Hell (Elway hurt) and saved the day.
I’ll disagree with one thing. A lot of folks will say that all he had to do was manage the game because the rest of the team was so great. Yes, the rest of the team was great. But in my humble opinion, most back-up QBs can only hold their own at best, even with a great team. Brister not only held his own and managed the team, he did so over enough time that he proved himself. Think about it. Most back-up QBs are not even as good as the 32nd rated started QB, and the worst starting QBs can be pretty bad.
My vote? Apples and oranges. Both players deserve some honor. Brister got his SB (even in a back-up role), and I hope Culter gets many more.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jun 20, 2008 8:35 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Brister shined in his role.
So here is my point. I have no doubt the Jay is a lot better then Bubby. However, B.B. had a specific job and he filled it with honor. Tough to knock a guy for playing to the very best of his ability and doing well. (Preseason doesn’t count). I loved that about him. Now Jay is full of superstardom. He has the potential to be awesome. However, right now he is still a little unproven. I have high hopes for him. I want him to be the very best. However, I think we still look at him with orange colored glasses. Remember we all thought Grease and Snake were going to be as good as John too, but time proved otherwise. And I for one am a fan of the Snake. Jake was awesome for 95% of every game. But the other 5% killed us. But that is another topic for another day.
Still think Jay is the best 6 so far… but Bubby deserves an honorable mention. Those kickers/punters can eat dirt.
by YellowStoneBronco on Jun 20, 2008 9:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Bubby... Just to give him props.
Wanted his honorable mention to look, well, “honorable”.
by YellowStoneBronco on Jun 20, 2008 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Number 6
Cutler gets my vote, but Brister was tremendous in 98. Yes, he had one of the best offenses ever, but he made a lot of plays with his heads up scrambling and throwing. Hats off to him.
As to a Denver QB bringing the team back from a 24 point deficit, I remember a Bronco game in Seattle in 79. Broncos were trying to let Norris Weese get the job, but in the 3rd quarter were down by 24. In came Craig Morton, with his lanky legs and knock knees. Broncos scored 4 TD’s before the Seahawks got a first down. The best number 7 is clearly Elway, but the best pure passer the Broncos have ever had is Morton. When he had the time, and let it fly, you knew the ball would go exactly where it was supposed to.
by bradley on Jun 20, 2008 10:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Really
How good did he have to be? TD had 2008 rushing yards and that alone opened up the passing game. Teams were putting 8 and 9 in the box and still could not stop TD. So of course he did well. I dont buy he was anything more than a caretaker. When he had the chance to lead the Broncos he failed and failed miserably. Remember in 1999 after the 0-4 start and during the week of the fader game Brister was gonna start over Griese then amazingly enough Brister got hurt and Griese won his first ever game. To me that showed what kind of person Brister was. I respect everyone on here who likes him, but being 4-0 on one of the best teams ever does not define a career or even a career as a Bronco. He was lucky to gravy train 2 rings. Personally I never liked and have no respect for him as a player let alone a Bronco player
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 20, 2008 11:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler, yet Brister gets props too.
I go with Cutler on this because even though he has only played two seasons, he will obviously be better than Brister. I mean look at what he did last year and nobody knew that he had diabetes. I mean that is a player.
I do have to give Brister some props because when Elway was injured he did step in and keep our offensive machine going undefeated. Sharpe put it best when he said, “This is a ferrari, so as long as you don’t strip the gears or burn out the clutch, we’ll be just fine. Keep it in first and let’s go.”
by weazel on Jun 21, 2008 9:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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