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Conventional Wisdom on Player Stocks 6-2-08

Who's stock is rising and falling in the last couple of weeks?  Some Denver players look better than expected, and some are in trouble.

Note: As I was writing this story, Travis Henry lost his job.  I had his stock in decline, but was nearly finished with the entire story when Guru published the breaking news.

Let's look at who is is looking good, and who may be in trouble so far...

Star-divide

Travis Henry RB - Major Decline

"There are no more chances for Travis, and he understands that," Shanahan said. "As time goes on, we'll see how he handles that situation. The key is he has to stay healthy and keep his nose out of trouble. If he doesn't, somebody else will come in and do the job. It's not like we don't have the ability to go in different directions."

(courtesy, Denver Post)

When I read this quote from Shanhan I was surprised.  It was a pretty harsh statement, and an indication that Henry's time with Denver was in trouble.  THen came this:

He wouldn't speculate on whether running back Travis Henry (hamstring) or tight end Tony Scheffler (foot) would make next week's team camp.

"With Tony, any time you're in that type of cast or boot, I would say he would be conditioning for a week before he was even able to think about it," Shanahan said.

"We will talk to Travis about that on Monday and see how he is."

Yep, Henry was in trouble.  Now he's gone.

(courtesy - Daily Camera)

Eddie Royal WR - moving up

"The thing I was most impressed with Eddie while watching him on film was his ability to come out of a break and the consistency in his hands," Shanahan said of the receiver and punt returner from Virginia Tech. "He's shown that so far in this camp."

(courtesy - Daily Camera)

Royal was brought in to shore up the PR game, and perhaps KRs too.  He is mentioned by several sources as a potential slot receiver for Denver when Stokley moves on.

Ryan Torain RB - moving up

Reports out of camp have been positive on Torain.After seeing Torain perform during the last two weeks, Shanahan expects the fifth-round selection to contribute in the Broncos backfield this season.

“He’s done a great job,” Shanahan said. “He’s picked things up very quickly. As we all know at the running back position you really can’t tell until you have some live ammunition out there and people are trying to tackle you. But I have been impressed with the way he has worked so far. You can see his cutting ability and his ability to catch the ball. He’s looked good.”

Torain was surprised with how smooth quarterback camp went.

(courtesy - BroncoBear cited the above from DenverBroncos.com)

Ryan Clady LT - moving up

Clady is looking so good that he has been nicknamed "sweet feet" by his peers, and looks to be an early lock for the LT position.

Chad Mustard TE - moving down

Courtesy of phantom818 comes the news that Mustard will miss several weeks of camp.  While I don't think Mustard is fighting for a spot as the Denver Post seems to believe, I think the injury is a major setback.  (I apologize for having bad luck with the link.  The story is found here:

 http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/6/1/543712/camp-update-mustard-out-8

Other injuries (as reported by Phantom) include Bly, DRob, as well as hamstring injuries to Colbert, Bell, and Larson.  However, all of these players are expected back as soon as this week.

Glenn Martinez WR - moving down

Glenn is in trouble in multiple ways.  While being the bottom most WR on the roster last year, he has seen the infusion of talent this year of three capable FA WRs and a second round draft pick.  Royal in particular may be a problem for Martinez, since Martinez and Royal will compete for punt return duties.  Martinez is as good as gone as a WR, and may have to make the case that he is an effective back-up for PRs.  It is hard to see Martinez making the top four or five WR spots by beating out the six names likely ahead of him, including Marshall, Colbert, Jackson, Stokely, Parker, and Royal.

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If anyone else has thoughts on who's stock is rising or falling, bring it!  As always, discussion and disagreement are encouraged.

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Anybody knows

if its DRob’s knee? That could be serious…

Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
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by Claus Vestergaard on Jun 2, 2008 11:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My faulty memory says wrist and ankle.

I think they are just saving DRob from any unnecessary pounding.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Jun 2, 2008 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrist/Knee was the listed injury in the Post recently

I think you’re right as well, I think they’re just keeping him out to save him a bit. He’s had those chronic knee problems so it’s always good to be safe and not play him more than you have to.

by phantom818 on Jun 2, 2008 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct...

His absence was planned. He will probably practice 60% of the time in hopes of keeping him fresh.

-TSG

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by John Bena on Jun 2, 2008 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Claus

Have you ever considered logging on the MHR Radio? It is probably some ungodly hour in Denmark, but it would be really cool for you to enter the chat room. “From Denmark to Alaska”.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Jun 4, 2008 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cutting the Mustard (again)

I know it’s an old cliche’ but nodody has been cut and resigned more than Chad Mustard. His value has always been his versatility to play TE and Guard on the O-line. What helps is his knowledge of the playbook and his trap/block ability, however this could be the beginning of the end. There is much more talant and depth on the O-line than the past few years and Denver kept four Tight Ends last year besides Mustard.

I really think that Mustards services are limited on the OL with backups like Gandy ready to come in. They really don’t need him as a receiving TE, which leaves his only contribution as a blocking TE.

Is Graham enough, or do we really need Mustard as a blocking TE? If the answer is yes that they need Mustard, then mabey the depth at TE is overdone and guys like Jackson are losing stock.

No doubt that Mustards stock will depend on his own health and the health of the other Tight ends on this team. It’s still early, but I wouldn’t bet on Mustard being there in September.

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit"

Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Jun 2, 2008 12:16 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

And Hillis

Could really be played as an H-back, providing some of the blocking (although that was one of the biggest critiques of his game coming out) in situations where a backup blocking TE were needed.

HT – any word on Hillis’ stock so far?

by jonahsilas on Jun 2, 2008 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he has looked good.

I had read that he was looking pretty good in camp, but couldn’t find the reference. I believe that both he and Torain were mentioned as being good at catching, and there was something else positive about Hillis as well. I read it well before I put this story together.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 2, 2008 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love the versatility

It can’t be bad to have a guy who can catch, block and run on the squad, right? And he is 240!

by jonahsilas on Jun 2, 2008 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thoughts on Mustard.

Mustard is one of my favorite players that doesn’t start. He is excellent depth if our only true blocking TE goes down, and his receiving skills sold me on him when he came in during ‘07. Here is a well rounded guy that is a solid back-up if we need him, and a great #2 TE when we want a 2 blocking TE look (against a 3-4 for example).

I think if we keep at least four TEs on the roster (and we should) then Mustard has a fighting chance. But 8 weeks is a lot to lose just before the season starts, and I agree with holding bets on the issue for now.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 2, 2008 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My favorites too

Does Chad play on ST’s? He might be an excellent open field blocker on Kick returns.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Jun 2, 2008 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like him too

He seems willing to do whatever the team wants of him – which is (alas) a somewhat rare quality in today’s NFL.

It grossed my fiancee out, though, when she saw him lined up next to Pears. “Mustard and Pears? Nasty”

by jonahsilas on Jun 2, 2008 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Mustard is used in several STs formations.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 2, 2008 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Culinary delight

Maybe his versatility added to Special Teams will save his bacon. Anyone care for some Mustard on your bacon to go with your pears?

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Jun 2, 2008 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this post

To Mustard will probably be one of the last cuts if he is cut. He is valuable but sometimes ohter needs makes him expendable for a week or 2. On Martinez I always have thought since Royal was drafted he was the odd man out. Plus with signing Jackson and Colbert along with the Brandons. When was the last time Shanny kept 6 wr’s. Its a numbers game and unfortunately he is a victim of the numbers game.
Plus with Torian moving up thats a good thing. But I keep reading here where someone is specualting that he would go onto the IR. I would guess that with Shanny’s statement unless he does get hurt that probably wont happen

by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 2, 2008 12:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Styg opened up the conversation...

...about Torain on IR. It is only a strategic speculation, but I agree with the reasoning. Injuries are the knock on Torain, and he recently had surgery. It would be a clever move for Denver to protect his roster spot by putting him on IR (and being allowed to put a different player in his place), while keeping him on the team for a look next year. He would benefit from time to heal, and his cost would be minimum.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 2, 2008 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can understand

But I dont really agree with that. If thats the case TD would have been slated for IR also. He was coming off a knee injury his SR. year at UGA. I say if he is healthy come training camp and isnt being held out due injury or recovery let him compete. But who knows training camp is only next month.

by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 2, 2008 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa whoa whoa...now hold on a second..

If I am barred from making references to Selvin Young being like TD then Torain cannot be compared to TD either. In any way. lol ;) I am just joking around… ;)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08

by Tim Lynch on Jun 2, 2008 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

A ripple from Spygate

was the possibility that New England was using players on the IR during practice, which is not allowed. I would imagine a consequence of this will be the league keeping a closer eye on all teams this year. So it is safe to say that a young player on IR will not develop nearly as much as one who is on the 53 man roster or practice squad (even if he never plays a down all year). So, IMO, Torain will only go on the IR if the injury is affecting his performance and he needs the time to heal. From what I can tell, that does not seem to be the case but nobody will know for sure until they go full speed with pads.

Semi-related, but does anyone know what the eligibility rules for being placed on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list. I know that players are restricted from some activities while on it and that there are restrictions on when a player can be removed. But I am having trouble finding info about any restrictions for the player being placed on the PUP list. I am pretty sure that Chad Mustard is eligible if his hamstring injury lingers, but what if the timing was different. What if the injury occurred during camp or during the preseason? If Mustard starts camp and tries out his hamstring in a few practices, can he still be placed on PUP? Anyone here know?

by MattR on Jun 2, 2008 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

PUP rules

Checked out the CBA but couldn’t find anything. Got this off a Bucs forum:

1. A player on the PUP does not count against the active roster.
2. A player on the PUP can not practice with the team, but can rehab privately and attend team meetings.
3. A player on the PUP can be activated at any time during training camp.
4. A player on the PUP will be strictly reserve until Week 6 once the season starts.
5. There’s a 3 week window (Weeks 7-9) in which a player on the PUP can practice with the team. At the end of this window, the player must be activated or place on the PUP or IR for the remainder of the season.
6. A player can only be placed on the PUP before the start of training camp in most situations. The real rule is that a player can not be placed on the PUP after being listed on the Active Roster at any time after the first day of training camp.

"On the Plains of Hesitation bleach the bones of countless millions, who, at the Dawn of Victory, sat down to wait, and waiting--died!" - George W. Cecil

by Bronco Billy on Jun 2, 2008 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I knew 1 -5., and they seemed pretty easy to track down online

Number six was what I was looking for and could not find anywhere.

by MattR on Jun 3, 2008 12:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll state for the record

that my reasoning, as HT says, was purely strategic. I felt Denver needed to keep ALL of their RBs (Henry, Pittman, Torain, Young, Hall, Alridge, Hillis, Sapp) and frankly it was too many to fit on the 53 man roster, so I was looking for creative ways to do this. In fairness, it wasn’t IR that I was speculating, but as MattR mentions elsewhere, the PUP, which the player has an opportunity to come off the PUP after, I believe 7 weeks or something like that. I felt that Henry would be injured by then, Pittman would be filling in, and Torain would come off the PUP ready to get into practices and start contributing.

Cut Henry before training camp and everything falls into place however, with Torain only going to the PUP if it is necessary for health reasons.

In other words, I no longer endorse Torain to IR or PUP or anything like that, and I have full confidence in his ability to stay healthy and make the 53 man roster.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 3, 2008 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about Foxy?

I hear that his stock is rising: some of our guys on MHR have referred to it. Might that be a problem for Jack Williams or, potentially, Barrett?

O'Brien's Law states that Murphy was an optimist.

by Emmett Smith on Jun 2, 2008 1:31 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what the word on Fox is.

As a young guy, I imagine his stock would rise this year. Williams starts at a disadvantage competing with all of this depth at CB, and his best selling point is how inexpensive he might be and his ability to sign long term. I don’t think Barrett has any worries competing with Fox, since I’m thinking (hoping) the experiment with CBs trying to play at SAF is over with.

Jack Williams probably can’t measure up to either Fox or Pay at this point. His best chance to make the team is to be a good STs option, and to hope for a long enough contract to prove himself when the big (potential) turnover happens at CB (Bailey and Bly come up at about the same time, with both Fox and Pay soon after that).

Barrett needs to be concerned with Rogers, McCree, and Manuel. I don’t think he is competing with Hamza yet, and Lynch will probably finish his career at the end of this season (or earlier if his neck takes another beating).

Just my opinion.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 2, 2008 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice analysis . . .

Never had any doubts about Fast Eddie. :)

I had concerns about Henry as of Pittman’s signing. Letters began to form on the wall.

I don’t see much hope for Martinez. I can’t see the Broncos wasting a roster spot for someone who is nothing more than a backup returner, especially with people such as Hall there.

Rumblings have seemed to come from camp that Foxworth is pushing Bly as a starter. That would make Bly’s injury even more serious for him, if that is true. Anyone else hear of at least implications of such?

by AZDynamics on Jun 2, 2008 3:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven't heard that Fox is pushing Bly.

Given the comment that MattR made elsewhere (Bly just received a giant bonus), it wouldn’t seem like a good idea to move him down the charts.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 2, 2008 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm, didn't you comment in the diary called "Foxworth for starter?"

that was based on Mike Kils at the Denver Post saying that Foxy was playing well and pushing Bly?

;-)

One other note on Bly’s recent bonus. I just want to make clear that it was something written into his contract when it was renegotiated after Denver traded for him, not a new reward that Denver added this offseason based on his performance in 2007.

by MattR on Jun 3, 2008 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's correct!

Thanks for the reminder. I do remember that.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 3, 2008 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well . . .

Except that Shanny has been brutal about putting the best players on the field, despite bonuses and draft positions, etc. Remember when Mike Bell became the starter? And whom did Rod Smith and McCaffrey replace when they became starters?

I think Bly is the favorite to retain his starting position at CB, but reports are that Foxy is indeed pushing him. When it comes down to it, nothing will surprise me after what has happened the last couple years.

by AZDynamics on Jun 3, 2008 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least, I read the report somewhere.

Maybe it’s not true, but I did read it. (Sheesh, I need to step up the ginghko.)

by AZDynamics on Jun 3, 2008 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny feeling

I have this funny feeling of something good-and maybe sooner than reality should expect. For some reason I really like the players this camp. It may just be a funny feeling-but its a funny feeling of something good. Let’s clear out the distractions. Let’s bring in people that want to play. Let’s pretend we are the Denver Broncos again-a team-a team of players that love to play. Its a funny feeling—but a feeling of something good.

by Mike Clark on Jun 2, 2008 5:23 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

AMEN to that my friend

Until Terrell Davis makes it into the Hall of Fame, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of such a place other than the Ring of Fame at Mile High!

Davis to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Jun 2, 2008 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Put me in that camp as well.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Jun 2, 2008 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

HT, you may have heard some good things about Hillis

from me. I did find some quotes on him, early camp, good but general stuff.
I was a little surprised in going through draft scouting reports to find that the same draftee hits like a freight train but ‘finesse’ tackles, apparently a bad thing. Williams and Barrett were both lauded for football intelligence and panned for not having it, so I suppose it depends on which scouts you believe. This came up with jonahsilas’ remark:

Could really be played as an H-back, providing some of the blocking (although that was one of the biggest critiques of his game coming out) in situations where a backup blocking TE were needed.

Yep, twas said. But two reports added, “Can finesse block with good hand placement or hunker down and knock defenders back when leading on sweeps…Will get bounced around some lead blocking up the middle, but uses his shoulders well in attempts to widen the rush lane…Takes good angles into the second level to execute cut blocks…Can adjust on the move and is aggressive looking for targets to hit.” And:

He is technically sound and gives a good effort as a blocker. Gets in good position with solid leverage as a blocker. Does an excellent job of hitting the moving target in space and works hard to sustain once locked on. Shows very good awareness in pass pro. Runs hard with good pad-level and drives his legs to gain yards after contact.

Same old thing – Comes down to who did the analysis, and what is their perspective, I suspect. I noted yesterday that Scout.com rated Hillis as the 78th ranked player in the draft, and we got him at pick 227, so I suppose that we could have a steal in him.

Hey, firstfan, some extra Bear pics are always appreciated. I can tell the missus that they’re picn-up pics…..

O'Brien's Law states that Murphy was an optimist.

by Emmett Smith on Jun 2, 2008 7:32 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

You got it!

It will be about 6 weeks. Opening Day in the Bristol Bay Trophy Trout Area is June 8th. I will be there until the 19th and then on the 20th I am off to another flyfishing adventure.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Jun 3, 2008 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

peyton hillis

from “sporting news draft”-

strengths: is a good, versatile athlete capable of contributing as a blocker, runner, and receiver from a variety of alignments(fullback, h-back, wingback, tight end and slot). as a receiver, shows good hands and runs sharp routes. keeps defenders on his back, plucking passes away from his body. is adept at going into motion and kicking out the containment defender to open up off-tackle holes for ballcarriers. has elusive running skills for a fullback.

weaknesses: is a positional run blocker who doesn’t deliver strong, aggressive blocks or consistently get through the line in time to block the linebacker. at times, looks disinterested in blocking. does not consistently stay after his block, allowing his man to get back into the play. is not a strong or powerful runner.

bottom line: the more film of hillis you watch, the more he grows on you because of his ability to contribute as a blocker, receiver, and ballcarrier. he is often compared to st. louis fullback brian leonard, but hillis is not as productive with the ball in his hands and must become a more consistent blocker.

he is also listed as “best receiver” for a fb, saying: “adjusts to make tough catches routinely, and knows how to get open.”

it appears his blocking may need some work from this writer’s opinion, anyway

by davecheffy on Jun 3, 2008 12:16 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

fb/rb mix

in light of recent events, how does this all effect the fb situation? also, how is larsen looking as a fb candidate? my reasons for asking are this: does pittman seem headed for halfback competition only, now? is mike bell headed for rb competition now? if larsen makes the team as a backup fb, and hillis excels, do both sapp and bell get released? does this open up a potential spot for hall now? is torain now pretty much a lock at power rb? it looks like it might shape up this way:

fb-sapp, hillis
rb- young, torain, hall, pittman

i still don’t think alridge will make the team, and larsen at fb would have to be pretty impressive to stick there. maybe as a goal-line fb specialist/st’s, but is there room for that on the roster? any way we keep more than 2 fb’s and 4 rb’s, maybe another as a returning option? i would like to see pittman at fb, and bell at rb, in depth/specialists roles, but there is no way we keep 3 fb’s. it looks to me like sapp and bell have their work cut out for them, but i think sapp will stick with his fb experience here. bell may be odd man out here, if pittman looks good at either position. there’s much to sort out, and it’s too early to tell, but it will be interesting to see where shanny decides to give these guys reps in the coming months. stay tuned. your thoughts?

by davecheffy on Jun 3, 2008 12:56 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Alridge

has a fire lit under him right now, and nothing he does is going to surprise me. That said, I think we have room for everyone, now that Henry has been cut.

So much to gain from cutting Henry, so little to lose. Seems like kind of a Duh! move in hindsight…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 3, 2008 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

HT question for you?

Is there a restriction by PSN how many players you can have on the team? i.e. could you have 53 RBs if you wanted (not that you would). Or is it just 53? Thanks.

by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jun 3, 2008 4:28 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

There are no restrictions of positions

except by logic.

However, I believe MattR had up one of the earliest conjectures on what was the most LOGICAL number of players at each position, for both trainingcamp and the eventual 53 man roster.

I won’t speak for his findings, but I will say that it seemed to me to be useful only to the point of forecasting free agency moves and cuts, and then relative value in the draft. At this point in the reloading season I think it is best to let the chips fall where they may….

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 3, 2008 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Styg's answer.

There are some odd exceptions that are somewhat related to your question. Guru taught quite a few of us last year about a rule that allows a back-up QB to be suited for the game that is (I think it was) part of the practice squad (something like an emergency 3rd string QB). I’m not as up on the NFL rules, unless I call a buddy of mine who has the book. If you want HS rules for a couple of states I can help! (lol).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 3, 2008 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You raise a good point ht

I would not be totally surprised to see us carry only two QBs this year on the 53 man roster.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Jun 3, 2008 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The third QB rule

Normally, a team is allowed to dress only 45 men on game day from the 53 man active roster. The exception to this rule s that a team may dress a third, “emergency” QB in addition to the 45 (but that QB has to be on the 53 man roster, not the practice squad). If the emergency QB plays before the fourth quarter, none of the other QB’s on the roster are allowed to re-enter the game.

Denver generally likes to go with only 2 QB on the 53 man roster and take the chance that they both wont get injured in the same game. But last year once Cutler got banged up against Detroit, Denver promoted Hackney from the practice squad to the 53 man roster and started using him as the emergency QB.

by MattR on Jun 3, 2008 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the clarification

I knew it was something weird!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 3, 2008 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I cannot come to this site

without learning something new. Thanks Matt.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Jun 4, 2008 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

Thank you all! Just one more reason why I love MHR.

by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jun 3, 2008 10:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hillis

I used to do some research, wrote a couple textbooks. I mention is only because verbosity is an occupational hazard :)

Thanks, Dave:


peyton hillis
from "sporting news draft"-
strengths: is a good, versatile athlete capable of contributing as a blocker, runner, and receiver from a variety of alignments(fullback, h-back, wingback, tight end and slot). as a receiver, shows good hands and runs sharp routes. keeps defenders on his back, plucking passes away from his body. is adept at going into motion and kicking out the containment defender to open up off-tackle holes for ballcarriers. has elusive running skills for a fullback.

weaknesses: is a positional run blocker who doesn’t deliver strong, aggressive blocks or consistently get through the line in time to block the linebacker. at times, looks disinterested in blocking. does not consistently stay after his block, allowing his man to get back into the play. is not a strong or powerful runner

This is from his scouting report, this one through ESPN, I believe:
Can finesse block with good hand placement or hunker down and knock defenders back when leading on sweeps…Will get bounced around some lead blocking up the middle, but uses his shoulders well in attempts to widen the rush lane…Takes good angles into the second level to execute cut blocks…Can adjust on the move and is aggressive looking for targets to hit.
Then there’s Rivals.com –
As a fullback, he needs further work as a lead blocker from both a strength and hand technique standpoint, but he has the physical talent to develop further in that key role. Though he was not an overpowering blocker, he gets into an opponent and gives movement with the ability to consistently seal the corner.

And not to beat the insensate equine, but from nfl.com -
Hillis is one of the best fullbacks in the draft. Some had him rated higher than Owen Schmitt who was taken earlier. He was one of the main players responsible for opening up holes for first-rounders Felix Jones and Darren McFadden and will have a chance to contribute right away in the NFL as a blocking fullback…A punishing blocker, a powerful runner and a natural receiver…

You’ve GOT to love this guy. Other than the back injury, he’s supposed to be too small but has character by the ton and a heart like a lion. Gonna be a fun year…

O'Brien's Law states that Murphy was an optimist.

by Emmett Smith on Jun 3, 2008 11:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff! Thank you.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08

by Tim Lynch on Jun 4, 2008 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

To paraphrase firstfan:

“This team filled up on golfballs!”

Don’t spare us the verbosity bear. I find you much more tolerable than most bears, and well-mannered and eloquent to boot. You haven’t chewed on anyone or gotten into the garbage, and you have stayed out of the dog food as well, which scores a lot of points in my book!

You’re comments have a high “quality-density” and are an inspiration to us all.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 4, 2008 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I second the aforementioned remarks!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 4, 2008 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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