Can Brandon Marshall Stay Out Of Trouble?
What are we to do with Brandon Marshall. How many times can we simply turn the other cheek, to explain things away with excuses like "He wasn't charged, so..."? We all know Marshall is extremely talented, we know he has a tremendous upside. One other thing we know, it is safe to say, is Marshall has trouble keeping himself away from law enforcement. Marshall is walking a fine-line when it comes to his behavior off the field.
The latest incident continues a long, disturbing trend for Marshall. Since entering the NFL in 2006, Marshall has been involved in 6 separate instances in which the police were called or notified. Add in the "horseplay" that injured his arm, and there is a pattern of behavior that should concern us and the team. For his part, Marshall has said that he was ready to grow up and take his profession seriously, "My goal for the summer is to be clean- cut and don't get into trouble," Marshall said March 27. "But it's kind of tough when I put myself in that environment. So I've got to take myself out of those environments and just hang around the right people."
This latest occurrence, which saw Marshall arrested on March 6, involved his girlfriend and an alleged physical altercation in Atlanta. Marshall was there training with Broncos QB Jay Cutler at the time. He was booked into Fulton County Jail and released on $1000 bond. The case was turned over to the County Solicitor Generals office on June 4th and official charges could be pending. With a pending court date this fall for a DUI charge, Marshall could be looking at a suspension by the NFL under the Player Conduct Policy.

I have written and talked at length about Marshall, his conduct, and my gorwing discontent with his actions. "Not getting charged" isn't enough for me to brush over it or cover it up. I am a Denver Broncos fan, and anything any player, coach, fan, etc does to bring negative light on the franchise angers and annoys me. Even more so when it is a player that has so much damn upside. We talk alot about perpetual trouble makers Adam Jones, Tank Johnson and Chris Henry, but should we be looking in our own backyard? Is Brandon Marshall the same type of guy?
Only time will tell, and I am not giving up on Marshall, yet. But my patience is wearing thin, and with the movement of the organization, from the top down, towards players that are as classy off the field as they are talented on it, Brandon Marhshall needs to clean up his act, and fast, or his days as a Denver Bronco could be numbered.
Below is a breakdown, a rap sheet if you will, of Marshall's transgressions since joining the Broncos, via the Denver Post -
Date: March 6, 2008
Location: Atlanta, GA
Arrested: Battery
Incident: Marshall's girlfriend claimed Marshall hit her in the mouth and eye on March 4, leaving her with "visible marks above the eye and a laceration on her top and bottom lip.
Result: The case is in the hands of Fulton County authorities and they have yet to decide on formal charges.
Date: October 22, 2007
Location: Denver, CO
Arrested: DUI
Incident: Marshall is arrested after reportedly driving the wrong way on a one-way street in Denver.
Result: Marshall pleaded not guilty and his trial is scheduled for September 16.
Date: March 26, 2007
Location: Highlands Ranch
Arrested: Domestic Violence and false imprisionment.
Incident: Marshall's girlfriend called police to Marshall's home after the couple got into a fight. Marshall was accused of blocking a taxi the girlfriend was in with another vehicle and pounding on the taxi's windows. This happened several times before the taxi driver was able to get away.
Result: Charges were dismissed in May 2007
Date: March 21, 2007
Location: Palm Beach County, FL
Incident: Police interview Marshall after they were called to the scene of an argument between Marshall and his girlfriend near Boca Raton. While both sides claimed the confrontation was not violent, Marshall admitted to slamming an iron pipe to the ground in frustration after his girlfriend left the area.
Date: January 24, 2007
Location: Orange County Florida
Incident: Police interview Marshall and his father, Frederick, outside a bowling alley after the two got into an argument over money. According to the police report, Frederick Marshall said his son fired a gun, a claim that was not supported by witnesses. Brandon Marshall said his father tried to run him over with his car and repeatedly told his son that he would "ruin his football career". Both father and son refused to press charges and neither was arrested.
Date: June 17, 2006
Location: Orange County, Fl
Incident: Once again, Marshall's girlfriend is involved, this time telling police that Marshall slapped her, pushed her to the ground and grabbed her arms during an argument that spanned several hours in their apartment. She also claimed that Marshall through a phone or remote control at her, striking her in the forehead and cutting her above the eye. A formal statement was sent to police in October 2006, but charges were never filed.
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Here's to hoping
If this guy can’t clean it up, then he should clean out his locker.
However, since his injury (which came a couple weeks after the March 6th incident) he’s claiming to be on the straight and narrow. He can sure talk the talk… but can he walk the walk?
Four of these incidents involved Rasheedah Watley. Now that they are no longer a couple, we shall see if his domestic violence continues. If it does, then I say that the Broncos should cut him loose. If that is in fact the end of it, then we’ll all be the happier.
I voted “yes” simply for the sake of hope.
by Davus.X on
Jun 25, 2008 8:53 AM MDT
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Thank you!!!!
I knew there had to be some common denominator here. There it is, the same woman every time. I tell you, women are dream killers and they flip out when they think that you might become too good for them and want an upgrade.
Especially when it comes to high profile careers like B-Marsh’s. If these were domestic violence issues with different women, then I could definately see some cause for concern. But its the same crazy broad.
He needs to curb this “lady” friend of his. Does anybody know if he has a kid with her? That wouldn’t be good.
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on
Jun 25, 2008 9:05 AM MDT
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I will respond to this...
On MHR Radio tonight…..
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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on
Jun 25, 2008 9:56 AM MDT
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Hmmm...
I just wonder if since it is the same woman every time she is making this up to get attention.
by GarretBarnes on
Jun 25, 2008 6:18 PM MDT
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I doubt it. If she is anything like my wife, BMarsh just simply forgot to put toilet paper back on the roll.
lol in all seriousness, she did have cuts and abrasions on her face. I don’t like men who hit women, but I do like what BMarsh does on the field so I am choosing to ignore that he is a wife beater.
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by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 6:22 PM MDT
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it could also
be a violent relationship. Not even coming close to excusing hitting a woman, but in relationships like that both are getting their punches in. He needs to stay away from those types
of relationships they are unhealthy
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Jun 25, 2008 6:30 PM MDT
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Yeah
Could be… For some reason it gives me the feeling that he isn’t just beating on her. He is just the stronger one
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by GarretBarnes on
Jun 25, 2008 6:34 PM MDT
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I wouldn't put it past her...
How many of the domestic dispute charges did she end up dropping?
by JR_G on
Jun 26, 2008 5:15 AM MDT
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I am also hopeful, but I'm realistic
I voted NO. I would think he would clean up his act after one arrest, but to no avail.
the best thing I can say is: “you can’t fix stupid”
Lets hope he stays away from Ms. Watley from now on.
fader nation is a conquered nation
by mdierk on
Jun 25, 2008 8:57 AM MDT
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Brandon
There’s a pretty good video of Brandon at The Bronco’s web-site.
I voted yes while thinking, ‘I Hope’
by Mike Clark on
Jun 25, 2008 12:24 PM MDT
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Thanks for getting more in depth on this issue, Guru.
As soon as I stumbled across this story, I got a Horse Tracks going.
fader nation is a conquered nation
by mdierk on
Jun 25, 2008 9:00 AM MDT
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I was putting this together...
As HT came out. It was perfect….
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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on
Jun 25, 2008 9:49 AM MDT
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AND...
umm… how about marshall sprays champagne on some gang members, leading to an argument between marshall ,his cousin, and said gangsters, eventually resulting in the shooting and death of darrent williams? hello? this guy(love his play as i do) is a punk. i’ve been saying this from day 1. the attitude, the fur coat, the bling, telling the coaches to play him or cut him,... the list goes on, and this stuff isn’t even mentioned above. marshall’s path will lead himself out of here in a year or 2. he is a loser off the field, and he will end up in dallas or oakland, before long. another waste of a talent. i say we cut him the next time he farts in a meeting, so we could move on already. i’ll miss his play, which is fantastic, but he, too, is replaceable. open your eyes, people
by davecheffy on
Jun 25, 2008 9:35 AM MDT
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Love what he does on the field, but come on, man.
Any man who beats a woman deserves to kicked in his manhood by Chuck Norris. There is no excuse for that, and nothing that would warrant it. He’s looking more and more like Randy Moss 2.0. However, I do have hope for Marshall. I hope he has realized his immaturity with this last incident and will grow up and move on. The last incident occured on March 6, and it was 21 days later, March 27, that he promised to clean up his act. While I am proably just being naive and that was merely a PR statement, I hope he does have it in him grow up and avoid trouble.
Why do I live in Kansas City?
by papigrande on
Jun 25, 2008 9:42 AM MDT
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Problem is.........
Denver will need to get something in trade for him. If he didn’t have the arm injury, he would have equity. He needs to prove his abilities again this year in Denver. If he recovers and returns to old form, then Denver can trade him when he screws up again, and they’ll get something for him. There aren’t many turds left for him to get in trouble with…Javon is gone, no Henry… Who will party with him on the team? Maybe he’ll want a trade.
"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras
by Denver Diehard on
Jun 25, 2008 9:54 AM MDT
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I think a lot of it is from family background.
I came from a normal stable family, so making some rational choices are easy and clear for me. But notice how Marshall had a fight with his dad, and his father tried to run him over with a car. That is troubled family 101.
If any one of us had a girlfriend we fought with all the time, then we would dump her and move on. Why did Marshall hold on for so long? It’s because people with troubled family lives as children often have attachment and emotional issues they have to overcome.
Look, I am not one of those people that says the excuse covers the crime. If Marshall does he crime he has to do the time-society cannot make excuses-but if we are just discussing this guy as an individual, then we have to consider his life as a whole.
I think clear outright message, like what Cutler send Marshall a while ago, is the type of thing that is needed. Make Marshall understand that if he can’t clean his act he will suffer. Either he loves his career and life enough to seek help and overcome his problems or he is a lost cause.
I said it before the draft and I say it again, if Shanny doesn’t think Marshall is going to get his act together, then trade him for a couple of high draft picks and get it over with before it’s too late. We just don’t know Marshall well enough to know for sure. Maybe he will end up being all right the way Carter did.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on
Jun 25, 2008 9:57 AM MDT
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This part, to me
is just sad. That a father-son relationship could be so bad that the father would want to destroy his son’s dream. (He was reported saying over and over that he would end Brandon’s career..
More sad is what that does to the son – obviously he is all emotionally screwed up. His combative relationship with this woman is violent and destructive, yet he keeps going back. Almost seems like he was never shown how respectful caring people treat each other…. certainly his dad wasn’t on that case.
It is a big extra weight to bear along with trying to be an NFL player.
by jonahsilas on
Jun 25, 2008 12:39 PM MDT
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I think
you’ve got the right idea here, amirebram.
This really does seem to be a “Hill of beans.” Perhaps what we need to do is be clear about what we all think of “beans”?
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Jun 25, 2008 2:52 PM MDT
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You lost me there Styg
I am not sure what the “hill of beans” reference is about.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on
Jun 25, 2008 4:55 PM MDT
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I lost myself
no worries. :) Time for sleep.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Jun 25, 2008 6:25 PM MDT
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What stands out to me
First, this incident occurred nearly four months ago, and before the “clean up my act” statement (as papigrande pointed out.) IMO, this shouldn’t be the “final straw” after the statement, but rather grouped in with his previous reckless behavior. Run-ins with the law that occur AFTER that point, however, are what I would be troubled with.
Also, this happened during the time when Marshall, Cutler, and Scheffler were all working out together in Atlanta, and before Cutler’s “he’s not my favorite person right now” statement. I wonder if Jay knew about this (my guess: yes), and his statement was not just about the arm incident. Brandon’s reaction to the whole thing (clean up his act, joking about the statements with Jay, etc) would seem to imply an acceptance of the rebuking, which may (and yes, I’m being optimistic here) signal a genuine change in behavior.
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by Disco_Stu on
Jun 25, 2008 10:06 AM MDT
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You scared me...
he hasn’t done anything since March…so I will reserve judgement for now. As long as BMarsh isn’t actually convicted of anything I am more than willing to overlook these multiple transgressions. At least until Shanny gets fed up and cuts him…until then, he is still my favorite player. lol
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
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by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 10:10 AM MDT
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Oh, and I *have* to believe he will clean up his act...
our dreams of a Super Bowl championship may hinge on his becoming a super star.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 10:11 AM MDT
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I will definitely react...
to all of this tonight!!!
-TSG
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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on
Jun 25, 2008 10:16 AM MDT
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I hope so
I hope that he’s finally learned his lesson, but I still have my doubts because all I am basing it on is hope. I am in the verify mode right now – he’s got to show it.
by Darin H on
Jun 25, 2008 10:20 AM MDT
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Does he...
have a child with the lady involved with most of these situations…if he does then the problems probably will not go away anytime soon…he just has to have a change in mentality when dealing with her. The thing about if being from family background plays into it a lil. For instance the incident with his father would not be news he wasnt an athlete. I personally have had similiar incidents with family members which blow over but dotn become news. The one thing I really dont tolerate is putting your hands on a woman. No matter what the situation…if you feel angry enough towards her to put your hands on her WALK AWAY LEAVE THE AREA…avoid her at all cost for the time being….hopefully they are over and doen with but in reality probably not but here is to him cleaning up his act..
by d2soulja on
Jun 25, 2008 10:47 AM MDT
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I get your point ...
... but what kind of woman is this? She keeps going to the police saying that Marshall hit her, and yet she sticks around? Are we even sure that she isn’t the abusive one? These things happen; who was the MLB guy who used to get hit by his wife?
I get the walk away thing … not argument there. I just get a feeling that some people are harder to avoid than others. Didn’t Marshall’s girlfriend actually get on a plane and follow him to Denver after Marshall left Florida after their argument? And then they had a fight again in Denver?
Again, we don’t have enough info, so we have to consider all possibilities.
Don’t think they have children or it would have been talked about at some point, given that this has been an on going issue.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on
Jun 25, 2008 11:35 AM MDT
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One of the articles
mentioned that the for all of the times that she called the police, charges were never filed. Whether that was because the police/DA decided there wasn’t enough evidence or that she decided she wasn’t going to get anything out of it hasn’t been decided (that I know of). One of the incidents was even reported until three days later!
As one of the commenters to the article pointed out, there was a woman that accused Randy Moss of assault earlier this year that later retracted the charges because it never happened.
Not that I’m saying this is the case in Brandon’s situation, but it does make you think.
"It's all over Fat Man"
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by DesertBroncoFan on
Jun 25, 2008 1:21 PM MDT
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Well, what is clear is that somethings was not right
something was just wrong with that relationship … all those fights aren’t healthy (if they turn violent).
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on
Jun 25, 2008 4:56 PM MDT
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are we willing to trade touchdowns for integrity?
This whole offseason has been about reloading our team with ” character ” not characters. If he really can man-up and do what he needs to then we give him another chance if not trade him and get some draft picks while we can . Do you think alot of teams are beating down Chris Henry’s door right now- this could head that route fast. Shanny needs to keep an eye on this guy closely . He may be exciting to watch and a possible great player one day , but I dont accept his childhood and the 1-crazy girl theory at all. It is time to ” grow up ” Brandon if you want to be a Bronco. My opinions only.
by okiebroncosfan on
Jun 25, 2008 11:01 AM MDT
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No. I really only care about winning.
I know many, Guru probably included, would prefer integrity over touchdowns…but I want to win. I don’t care how it’s done. As I type this I am typing it without much conviction. Can’t I have my cake(winning and tds with integrity) and eat it too?
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
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by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 11:09 AM MDT
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To a degree
I can certainly trade TDs for the type of personal problems that Marshall is having.
What I would NEVER tolerate is if we got a “real criminal” on the team. Someone with serious drug problems, theft, murder, repeat DUI … you get the idea
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on
Jun 25, 2008 11:38 AM MDT
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Amen brother!
I was trying to put together the words to say what you just said…you must have scored higher on the wonderlic yesterday than I did. ;)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 1:48 PM MDT
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I didn't even try. What's passed has passed. Let's move on.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on
Jun 25, 2008 4:57 PM MDT
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I think I am too scared to think of BMarsh leaving the Broncos...
the guy is a freak on the field…someone needs to have a “Come to Jesus Meeting” with him, that’s for sure! Oh, and a belated welcome to MHR to you!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 11:14 AM MDT
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Come to Jesus definitely needed
With all these incidents, why isn’t the organization making Marshall have some heart to hearts with other players, or Shanny, or Bowlen or a Denver shrink. Something….
Realistically he is just a kid, a troubled one, and he needs guidance. I can pass off this stuff as youthful stupidity and dysfunctional relationships with pops and his girl… but not if it keeps happening.
I know it is on BMarsh to change, and he will have too want it for it to happen – but shouldn’t the organization at least be trying to protect their “investment” if not their team, their season and a young man who obviously has not had a a whole lot of good role models in life.
by jonahsilas on
Jun 25, 2008 12:35 PM MDT
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I am pretty sure the heart to hearts have already taken place...
Hopefully this time next year we will be talking about much BMarsh has matured and what a great leader he is on this football team. ;)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 1:49 PM MDT
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Here's hoping
Although I really think he may need a season of “Uncle Rod” following around to teach him to be a man, to be “the man.”
by jonahsilas on
Jun 26, 2008 1:53 PM MDT
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no not really lol
You disliked Travis Henry for all the off-the-field issues, How can you change midstream? It is either black or white- no middle ground allowed zappa lol. I have learned alot from all of you- it is scary- and this is my new favorite website ( besides midget porn that is lol. ) I have found that some guys do not always agree but the argueing is done in such a professional manner- I love it. Zappa- you are 1 of my favs to post opinions but I do disagree on this one. Thank you for the welcome and we will chat or argue on here more lol.
by okiebroncosfan on
Jun 25, 2008 11:20 AM MDT
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Well I don't think we are in disagreement. I started to disagree, but it's hard to argue
when in your heart you know the other person is right. I just don’t have a strong case to make here…BMarsh needs to change his ways so I want to believe he will. ;)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
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by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 11:25 AM MDT
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I disliked henry
because he was a me person. Look, when he had to compete for the starting Tb position he started to put screw him
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Jun 25, 2008 11:36 AM MDT
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I never really liked the Henry signing either...I must have used every "bad daddy" joke
I have in my arsenol last year.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 1:50 PM MDT
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Nothing is Black and white.
Every person and organization has to live by their word, but nothing in the real world is so well defined for us to decide things in black and white.
Whenever there is a fight between man an woman, and someone complains (a neighbor or passerby), and there is any sign of actual physical violence, then people go to jail. If the wife so much as slaps her husband and someone reports it, she goes to jail for a night. Even if the husband says he doesn’t want her to go to jail. That’s CA law (I am not sure about other states).
And while even a single slap on the shoulder is wrong, it happens on a regular basis. I won’t do it, but I am not going to judge someone if they are put in jail for 1 night because of it.
All crimes aren’t equal.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on
Jun 25, 2008 11:43 AM MDT
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True that, but BMarsh also has a DUI thing too....lol
If it was just this one incident, I wouldn’t be bothered. To speak metaphorically, BMarsh is neither Black, nor White…he is definitely Gray. I am not sure which color to use as “good” and which as “bad” since no doubt someone out there will see some sort of racial undertones so I will just say that BMarsh needs to stop being “Gray” and be “GOOD”.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 1:53 PM MDT
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One DUI is tolerable.
But if he has another DUI I will want him off the team. I really would. I would even want Cutler kicked out if he had two DUIs over a 4 year period. I guess that’s my “Red Line”
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on
Jun 25, 2008 4:59 PM MDT
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I've had no DUI's, does that make me abnormal?
rhetorical question…even one DUI is abnormal to the rest of us and I consume lots of alcohol. Probably more than my 23 gallons of beer per year that the average American consumes. I know for a fact I consume more than the 2 gallon a year average for wine, but I doubt I drink more than a gallon of hard whiskey in a year…
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 5:21 PM MDT
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Naw
But I use to drink that much myself. Ahhhh the good ol days
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Jun 25, 2008 5:32 PM MDT
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I've been cutting back...I read somewhere that its not good to drink small amounts of
booze every day. Builds up tolerance or something and is most likely to develop into alcoholism…so now I drink a bunch at once, but only once a week at the most. muahaha! I have found its much more fun to get drunk once every other week than it is to drink every day but only a beer or two a night…it’s also cheaper.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
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by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 6:00 PM MDT
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I am new the drinking thing...drank an alcoholic beverage about twice a year
up until about last year. lol
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 6:01 PM MDT
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Be like me...
I’m a drunk, not an alcoholic. Alcoholics go to meetings. I get all the benefits without the hassle!
-TSG
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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on
Jun 25, 2008 6:35 PM MDT
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Now this was the best comment on the thread. Ditto here SG!
"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras
by Denver Diehard on
Jun 25, 2008 7:50 PM MDT
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I go to the point
Where I would get home on Friday and get my 4-40’s of malt liquor. Ahhhhh Malt liquor
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Jun 25, 2008 7:08 PM MDT
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I don't drink at all, but
I can accept that you could make that mistake (DUI) once.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on
Jun 25, 2008 10:27 PM MDT
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Well...........
I stated in a post a few weeks ago that maybe it was time for some of the older players to step forward and take Marcus Thomas under their wings to teach him what a championship attitude looks like, Marshall could use the same treatment. He obviously doesn’t know what it looks like. I’m with Guru, his behavior is getting really annoying. However, he has kept his nose clean since the injury and it is my hope that he will keep that up. If not, I think the noose is drawing tighter for him. Time will tell, but I hope he straightens up, he will be a stud for us if he does. Can you imagine this guy with a Rod Smith or Ed McCaffrey attitude? Could be one of the best ever.
The player who thinks he can and the player who knows he can are two different players, which one are you???
by Broncofan on
Jun 25, 2008 11:27 AM MDT
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How about
Hiring Smith as “Special Receivers Coach” and make him follow Marshall around and teaching him how to be a respectable, respectful, hard-working pro.
by jonahsilas on
Jun 25, 2008 12:42 PM MDT
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I agree completely
If Brandon straightened up< Wow > what a playmaker he could be, especially with a McCaffrey or Smith attitude – the sky is the limit. I also hope he comes around before it is to late. Zappa i know you live in nocal, and i live in socal so stop by and I will buy you that cake some time, lol. P. S . I thought you liked beer more than cake ? lol
by okiebroncosfan on
Jun 25, 2008 11:34 AM MDT
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I was born in San Diego...but alas I am not a CEO of a major multinational corporation so
I had to move to Sucramento in order to afford to live on my own. I do like beer…especially now that I have quit smoking cigarettes back in January. Cake is okay…how about build a pyramid of beer bottles and we “eat” drink that instead?
PS I have roots back in Oklahoma…my grandmother started her first job picking cotton at the tender age of 8. I still dislike CA though…the government is beginning to become too oppressive. Can’t even talk on a cell phone in your car starting Tuesday! How ridiculous…I’ve driven with my knees plenty of times with no problems. I’ve seen people do makeup, read newspapers, eat, drink, smoke, write, shave, and all sorts of other things…any one of those are as dangerous to do while driving as talking on a damn cell phone! Crazy…each passing year a little voice in my head gets louder and louder…it says “Get the F out of California idiot!”. ;)
Wow, that was qutie a rant…time to get back to work!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 1:59 PM MDT
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I've been telling you that!!!!
fader nation is a conquered nation
by mdierk on
Jun 25, 2008 2:14 PM MDT
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Are you that little voice in my head?
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 2:17 PM MDT
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Just stay out of NM......
I’m trying to leave
fader nation is a conquered nation
by mdierk on
Jun 25, 2008 2:22 PM MDT
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I am stuck in cali...wifey has never lived more than 10 minutes from her mama.
my only chance is to get her mama to move in with us…then I might be able to escape the bonds of oppression here in the golden state.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 2:38 PM MDT
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sounds like a decision between a firing squad or hanging.....
neither one is too positive
fader nation is a conquered nation
by mdierk on
Jun 25, 2008 3:36 PM MDT
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naw, her mom is one classy lady.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 3:47 PM MDT
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I had to live w. ex's mom
Lemme say nice lady, BUT its tough! I mean you cant walk around in your boxers and such and plus you are always outnumbered. Mom/Daughter v. Husband. I would not evah reccomend that. I would rather be tortured before doing that again. Well torture wouldnt be as bad as living with an in-law
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Jun 25, 2008 3:57 PM MDT
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Oh well...got no choice in the matter.
I’m not going to let he live on the streets. She will have no one else to turn too. She had cancer recently and lost her job because of it. Funny, a person beats cancer and gets fired for it. Anyways, I am willing to make sure she enjoys retirement as much as possible.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 4:05 PM MDT
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well then God Bless You
That is BS to lose a job over that. But you are a good person for doing what you are doing. That said I would do the same thing in that position. My case it wasnt necessary for her to live with us.
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Jun 25, 2008 4:12 PM MDT
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thanks.
12 years means nothing anymore in corporate America. It’s all good though, she takes my side as much, if not more, when my wife and I don’t agree. :)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
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by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 4:29 PM MDT
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You're a good man Zappa.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson
by firstfan on
Jun 25, 2008 4:23 PM MDT
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thanks, but i still have big shoes to fill if I try to follow in your foot steps.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 4:29 PM MDT
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Its funny
How NOW the post is reporting on this. HMMMMMM wouldnt it have been more prudent to research this after he hurt his arm? To me he has been doing the right things for the past 3 months. Granted its 3 months, but to think he has been a thug or anything like that is wrong. All his incidens have been misdemenors. I am not excusing anything he has done. But come on, he is not Pacman Jones or those other clowns. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt for now
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Jun 25, 2008 11:39 AM MDT
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I think the Post reported on this first and Guru was
giving his take on what the blithering fools in the MSM think of BMarsh. I could be wrong, but I think that is the case here. I think we spend most of our time here correcting the MSM…since they don’t do retractions, bloggers gotta make sure the record is set straight. ;)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 2:02 PM MDT
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The post is reporting now
because details were disclosed on the Atlanta domestic battery case when it was moved to a different court a couple of weeks ago.(I am unfamiliar with the terminology they were throwing around, so I will leave that to someone else to decipher). The story was originally reported by an Atlanta paper, and then the Post got wind of it later and put something together…
The article in the post referred to an NFL inquiry, and #15’s lawyer stated that the NFL already had all this information. He also referred to the resurfacing of the incidents at this date as a shakedown.
When it comes to #15 I’m not exactly sure what it is that we are all trying to figure out here. This isn’t the same thing as Walker and Henry. I know we are all wore out from the debacle of last season and the pride parade of idiots that the Broncos have been sporting, but this is no time to be lazy about giving guys a correct moral evaluation. Like bfsisd says, we need to know when to be patient. Shanny has indicated numerous times that he cares for his players. Until Marshall proves that he doesn’t care for Shanny, what are we expecting to have happen??
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Jun 25, 2008 2:51 PM MDT
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All crimes are not the same
I agree with that, but, what scares me about Brandon is his repeat offenses for the same crime, his DUI , and then lying about his arm. To me it seems to show a lack of care, or brains and either one is a problem that could grow bigger. I am not condemning Brandon for his actions , I think he needs to be talked to and watched, and maybe a little guidance from whomever can get the job done. I did not call anyone a thug nor would I , it all just comes down to attitude and Brandon clearly needs to do some house cleaning in order to have the kind of career we all hope he has.
by okiebroncosfan on
Jun 25, 2008 11:56 AM MDT
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I say give him the benefit
right now. This is a forgiving nation and I feel there is always 2 sides to each story when it comes to battery. Each state has different criteria. Here in Cali is different than GA. But I wanna believe he is a man of his word so I am willing to cut him some slack. That being said I dont want him to get into any more trouble. Plus he is a kid and still growing up. Lets see if he can mature
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Jun 25, 2008 12:12 PM MDT
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wr's
okiebroncosfan, you hit it on the head with the henry comparison. the only reason marshall is on this team right now is because of his talent level, and walker being gone. if he was someone like david kircus(1 incident), he would have been done here, already. if we are going to cut guys because of their transgressions, then what the hell is marshall doing on the team? if it is the committment to the team that is the issue, then he simply doesn’t get it. i never will understand the trading of millions of dollars for the choice to be a punk. it is a choice, no matter how you justify it. you can also add the tv incident to my previous comment and this post, and he becomes somewhat of a joke at this point. i think he is 1-and-done at this time. if he gets 2 more chances, then he’ll make it through the year. i would be completely shocked if he made it through THIS season without incident. his future here is bleak. that is the reality of the situation. i pray he gets it, but his history proves otherwise. sad, just sad.
as far as we need him on the team, i doubt it. the giants won a super bowl without tiki barber and jeremy shockey. in fact, many credit their success to the fact that neither was in the locker room. are we going to score more td’s without henry and walker? no. if we have to go with jackson, colbert, and parker, i am cool with that. we now have the depth to let him go, if he screws up again. let’s give the guy 1 more season to prove he can handle the fame, and if he can’t, dump him. as i’ve said before, i don’t think he will remain a bronco for long, in either case. he will go to the highest bidder when his contract is up anyway, like most do. remember, it was smith and mccafferey’s LACK of god-given talent that gave them the attitude, humbleness, and loyalty that they possessed. they were motivated by pride, and thankfullness for the chances they were given. marshall will get many more chances because of his skill, but not here. i am done with the coddling of wr’s
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Jun 25, 2008 12:12 PM MDT
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marshall
I think it is time to trade Marshall for someone like Anquan Boldin or Roy Williams. It’s hard to see how he will change enough not to cause continual distractions.
Orangeman
by corangemanr on
Jun 25, 2008 12:41 PM MDT
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I guess Marhsall...
Like to follow in Javon Walker’s footsteps…
-TSG
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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on
Jun 25, 2008 12:48 PM MDT
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I hope BMarsh was wearing his cup when you leveled that low blow. ;)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
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by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 2:03 PM MDT
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I would like
to see us get maximum value for him. We waited so long with Walker we got nothing. Marshall should still have a lot of value in a trade. Thanks for the post Guru.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson
by firstfan on
Jun 25, 2008 2:47 PM MDT
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again the MSM
is so worthless anything to try and sell a paper. Its a non-story.
I would not trade marshall at all. Why does everyone want to crucify him right now. Boy I hope everyone singling him out as a bad person who doesnt want to change has never been in trouble at 23-24-25. I sure was. I vowed to change and did. Crap like this burns me up. Its not like he is Chris Henry. Plus I bet he would have fewer problems if or when he ditches the girlfriend. Trade him amazing. . . . . . . .
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Jun 25, 2008 2:55 PM MDT
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Maybe my memory is fogged up
but didn’t Marshall pull the “play me or trade me” routine last year? In either case he has had multiple chances to correct his behavior and has not done it. I put my confidence in the man closest to the situation to judge, Coach Shanahan.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson
by firstfan on
Jun 25, 2008 4:15 PM MDT
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I never heard that
The only person I reacall saying anything close to that was the truth teller Javon Walker.
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Jun 25, 2008 4:27 PM MDT
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Did Marshall play that card?
I only remember Walker screaming it.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
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by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 4:30 PM MDT
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there were reports
that there was an exchange of that sort with the WR coach. We have a new WR coach now.
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on
Jun 25, 2008 4:51 PM MDT
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definitely brandon
it was marshall, yelling at the wr coach in the hallway at halftime, on the way to the locker room. it was reported at the time, and the response from the coach after the game when he was asked about it was the usual “it was no big deal, i like players who want the ball,...”. i can’t remember the exact game, but it was early last season, and our offense was struggling. he was in no position to be demanding the ball at that time, and i thought it was pretty lame-still do. i remember thinking this guy is going to be more javon walker than rod smith-still do. god, i love his talent, though. let’s pray, and let’s also pray for his severed tendons and nerves
by davecheffy on
Jun 25, 2008 5:01 PM MDT
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Not really. Where is the hold out talk?
If Marshall was trying to follow in Walker’s footsteps then he would have started bugging the team about a new contract after his first real good season. That’s what Javon did.
Javon sucked for 2 or 3 years (after getting a 1st round type contract) and then he had one good season and he went on about holding out and wanting a new contract.
Marshall has outplayed his 4th round contract since day 1, and dude hasn’t said a word about money yet. That to me is a very GOOD sign. He has work ethics and hasn’t been a cancer.
He might ask for an extension after the 08 season, but that isn’t a big deal since he is going to have only 1 year left on his original deal. It’s normal to start thinking about extension at that time.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on
Jun 25, 2008 5:05 PM MDT
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if his 2008 mirrors 2007
Then I for one would support him wanting a new deal. He would be worth it.
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Jun 25, 2008 5:08 PM MDT
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I've thought that as well Amirbram.
I thought if this guy is so bad, then how come he hasn’t made a stink over his $840,000 per year contract (approx number).
This guy isn’t selfish, just immature.
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on
Jun 25, 2008 5:44 PM MDT
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If BMarsh can keep his "nose" clean then he deserve a big contract when his current one
expires. So long as he proves he isn’t a one year wonder.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 6:02 PM MDT
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If I am Shanny
I sit down with Marshall in April and tell him that unless he goes one year without getting into trouble there won’t be an extension before the 09 season. And if he can’t stay clean the following year he won’t get a contract; it will be the Franchise tag for 2010. Until he learn how to stay clean or get traded.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on
Jun 25, 2008 10:30 PM MDT
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identity crisis
too bad your not shanny, because your proposed actions make perfect sense.
Shanny has demonstratedt hat he has been , often, a poor judge of character, and every time he has a player of questionable, off the field habits, he FAILS to effect any change.
Our broncos will be fortunate to win 6 games in the 2008 season;
this will be Shanahans last as the Broncos HC.
by chef zambini on
Jun 30, 2008 7:56 AM MDT
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I concede on that point.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson
by firstfan on
Jun 25, 2008 6:48 PM MDT
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TSG
I have a dr’s. at 5:30 cali time so i will miss your show :( is there a replay so i can hear your show later?
by okiebroncosfan on
Jun 25, 2008 12:51 PM MDT
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There is a podcast...its on the main webpage on the right hand side, scroll down a ways.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08
by Zappa on
Jun 25, 2008 2:03 PM MDT
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More often than not, the boy presages the man.
But he’s supposed to be a man already .
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on
Jun 25, 2008 2:11 PM MDT
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Here is the reason why Marshall hasn’t changed his ways…
He has never been punished for anything. Once Roger Goodell slaps a four or eight game suspension on him I’m sure things will get a lot clearer in his mind.
There is a reason why he was a 4th round pick, just like Marcus Thomas, another walking time bomb.
Javon and Brandon competed for the #1 WR job last year and it looks like each is still trying to one-up the other this off season. Remember pirate Norm last week?
I have to think that Shanahan might have known about this in March (as well as Jay). It did seem kind of strange just how many WRs he brought in to fill one roster spot. Jay was there when it went down so Bmarsh probably called him from jail to say "I don’t think I’m going to make it in."
I’m still cracking up about Zappa’s candidness and I pretty much agree. I watch the NFL purely for entertainment purposes only (and it is more fun to watch when the Broncos are winning) but in the same if Marshall ends up suspended, in jail or dead he no longer has any value to the team or my entertainment dollar.
So, I hope he turns it around, but if not, go Djack or Colbert or Eddie.
by HBBeough on
Jun 25, 2008 5:20 PM MDT
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Hopefully
when Marshall got his surgery done on his arm, he also had the doctor’s fix his cranial-rectal inversion so he no longer had his head up his a**.
by Darin H on
Jun 25, 2008 6:57 PM MDT
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Lets hope he has changed
I hope this is merely a case of his past catching up with him and he has in fact chose to make better decisions.
I an say I briefly met him at Fan Fair and he seemed very polite and down to earth. In fact we got in line at about 4:30 and waited to get our picture taken with Marshall. The cop came down and told us at the back of the line that Marshall was going to leave at 5 sharp so we may not get a picture. Well I am glad to say that he stayed 15 mins late so everyone could get a picture taken. The professional photographer had even packed up his stuff and left and Marshall was still there posing for pictures. One boy who was problably 10 or 11 had went up to get his picture taken I am not sure what happened but the boy was getting upset as he walked away( I think maybe he did not have a camera with him) and Brandon called him back up there and signed his Marshall jersey.
This in no way means he didn’t do what he is accused of but domestic violence can mean something as simple as grabbing her arm to keep her from hitting him. We simply don’t have all the facts at this time. I sincerly hope that this proves to just be false accusations and he stays on the team with out a suspension.
As for the DUI although I am not advocating drinking and driving I think a large percentage of people have driven at least once when they had more to drink than they should have. I have left the bar before and realized halfway home that now i am more intoxicated than i had previously thought. So I will give him a pass on that one if it stays just one. I do feel that Brandon will run out of chances soon with the league or the Broncos or both.
by FlaBRONCO on
Jun 25, 2008 7:54 PM MDT
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Good Story
At least he understands who pays his salary. A dude can get a lot of points for taking just a little extra time to be a good guy.
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Jun 25, 2008 11:54 PM MDT
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Great comment FlaBRONCO
I am fed up with this guy. But your personal experience means a lot to me. Verty insightful comment. Thanks Maybe I will change my opinion.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson
by firstfan on
Jun 26, 2008 2:31 AM MDT
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Lets have Carlton Powell
sit on him and read scripture to him until he never does it again! Seriously though I love the kid to death but its time to face the music and grow up or grow out of your orange and blue
Until Terrell Davis makes it into the Hall of Fame, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of such a place other than the Ring of Fame at Mile High!
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on
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More than anything
It sounds like Marshall and Rasheedah Watley need to get away from one another (and supposedly Marshall has finally figured that out and ended things). From everything I have read, it sounds like that was a disastrous relationship with violence on both sides (Marshall showed the police scratches on his chest when they first arrived in June 2006. Watley did not file a complaint with plice at that time. She went home to Atlanta and filed one 3 days later) They sound like one of those couples that just bring out the worst in each other. Marshall is no choir boy and I don’t want to condone his mistakes, but I have confidence that both Marshall and Marcus Thomas have realized that they need to leave the old life behind before it brings down their new life.
I really don’t like the way this is gonna sound, but here goes anyway: I think this latest “story” is old news and was not worth reporting. I think that the newest writer at the Post, Lindsay Jones, overreached in an effort to make a name for herself. FWIW – the Rocky Mountain News has not mentioned a word about this even though they have had plenty of time.
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is this the same girlfiend in all these occurances?
if the answer is yes, then the first step for brandons “transformation” is obvious, dump this broad !
If he has not figured that out yet, then he lacks the mental capacity to help himself become a different person off the field.
Like most bronco fans, I love his talent and passion that he displays on the field, but those moments will be few and far between if he cant handle the challenges of “real life’ off the field.
He has seen a teammate die for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong people…
Lets hope that something less than a bullet will help him to recognize the realiteis that come with associating with the wrong people.
Is it true he is in VEGAS now?
Peter Pan Syndrome.
Our broncos will be fortunate to win 6 games in the 2008 season;
this will be Shanahans last as the Broncos HC.
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