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Marshall Cleared to Play

The folks at the RMN report that Brandon Marshall has been cleared medically to participate fully in future team activities. See HERE. As some of you might know, I have not been the greatest Marshall supporter. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but I have had doubts as to his maturity and ability to make important decisions. I very much want to believe what he says in the artcle. If he is ready to be as dedicated as Rod Smith I will be the first to eat my words.

So for now...GO BRANDON!!!!

 

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Excellent news.

While Marshall certainly has not been Jay Cutler’s favorite person lately (or mine) I think this is great to hear. Now if he can learn to control his anger and be less of an “I player” he will be a great player for us. I really hope he cleans up his act, not only for what he could do for the Broncos, but because it is kind of sickening to watch a young man with all the talent in the world throw it away because he is a dumbass.

Why do I live in Kansas City?

by papigrande on Jun 27, 2008 7:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Right on!

I will take him at his word, that he wants to be the best he can be. He can’t be a great receiver if he is in the iron hotel. I really hope he has it together. He seems like a nice kid.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Jun 27, 2008 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good News!

I just hope his current issues don’t earn him an unpaid vacation. Watching Brandon during mini-camps you can’t miss his smile and obvious love of the game.

There is a pretty good video-short at The Broncos’ web site. It shows his love of kids and wanting to help and be a part of the community.

I hope he doesn’t get suspended, I don’t think he is mature enough to have that much free time at hand and stay out of trouble. If he stays focused on football, helping kids, and staying busy—we as fans have something very special.
How ‘bout this hope!
Brandon ‘Smith’ Marshall

by Mike Clark on Jun 27, 2008 8:56 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Tony the Tiger, Grrrreat!

Very pleased to see BMarsh make such a quick recovery. Perhaps his lovable demeanor and stud-like numbers cause me to go easy on him, but I really hope everything works out for him. Even if he gets suspended for a game or 4, which pisses me off because the commish’s “judgments from on high” still seem too arbitrary for my liking, I think the Broncos have enough weapons at WR to carry on in his absence.

I wish Woody Paige was our coach!

by bcfunk on Jun 27, 2008 9:03 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Clean up your act...

I’m sure we have all had bad break ups with girlfirends. But come on, I’ve never even been tempted to hit a woman. I’ve also never had the police called because of an argument I’ve had with a girlfriend. I love BMarsh on the field, but I’m getting tired of these guys who have the chance of a life time and throw it away. Very few people in the world get to get paid (well, I might add) doing what they love to do. I really hope he does clean up his act and turn his life around. His actions reflect not only on him but his team as well. Time to be a big boy Brandon. I wish you all the best and I hope you can turn things around and have a great season.

by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jun 27, 2008 11:08 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Thorpe

You stated very well what I have been trying to get out for a couple of days.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Jun 28, 2008 12:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Domestic Violence issues

I’ve been a lawyer for 28 years, and have done a lot of criminal and domestic cases, so let me say a few things about DV cases. One, it’s very easy to get arrested – the law says the cops must arrest someone if they have probable cause that a crime has been committed. It’s a crime to say certain abusive things, so you can get arrested for what you say. Or, if your girlfriend/wife is in your face, yelling and screaming, and you just push her away, off you go in handcuffs.
Also, the person who calls the cops usually gets to be the “victim”. Often the woman calls, and the guy admits to something, or doesn’t say anything in his defense, and off he goes. Women have learned to play this game better than men (although men are catching up). Domestic Violence is, in fact, about fifty/fifty between the sexes. Women throw things, use weapons, kick and hit. It’s true that men more often take the violence to the limit (i.e., murder).
Domestic Violence comes in all shapes and sizes, from yelling and pushing to serious bodily injury and death. As to Brandon Marshall’s case, none of us know what happened, so wait until the facts come out before you pass judgment. The fact that his girl friend remained in the relationship so long says a lot.

by bradley on Jun 28, 2008 9:12 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for that

I agree 100%. I just dont like how the media can push the publics opinion one wat or the other.If they do do not like someone. Just my 2 cents

by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 28, 2008 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I respectfully disent.

Before teaching I worked in mental health. Currently I work in law enforcement. I repectfully disagree with a couple of things in your comments.

The fact that the girlfriend remained in the relationship means nothing (to me). As you might be aware, women often stay in abusive relationships because of either a fear of leaving, a percieved lack of resources, or “love” for the abuser. If you’ve ever seen a child crying as an officer takes the child from an abusive parent, you might know what I mean about a pathological “love” for an abuser.

Also, while domestic abuse goes both ways (men are much less likely to report abuse), the clear and vast majority of domineering physical abuse is men against women. This is supported in mental health journals and by the DOJ.

I also believe that while many jurisdications require an arrest in alleged abuse cases, in many cases officers use “officer discretion” (whether it is proper or not). It has been my experience that officers go out of their way to be non-interventionists in domestic cases.

Last, I don’t know what “game” is involved in arresting a male subject when he pushes his wife (or anyone, for that matter) in the presence of law enforcement officers. There’s no “just” pushing a wife or girlfriend, or even a drunk buddy in front of the police without a reasonable consequence. It shouldn’t be done if law enforcement isn’t present either. Either way, the “pusher” is a piece of trash. Indeed, I don’t get the point about the person who “calls the police” (or “cops” as you call them). It is typical for the calling party in any alleged crime to be the caller, not the perpetrator.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 28, 2008 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone really knows what happened

Its disheartening to me that every is condemning Marshall. Nobody, including me, knows exactly what happened. Why is it that every time an athlete is involved any DV case he is 100% guilty. I dont think that is fair. Granted if he was the aggresor he deserves the full punishment allowed under the law. But if not, what happens to his reputation. Nobody will care. Its not like a man has not been accused and proven innocent.

BTW, I take it the law enforcement professionals, (who I think do one HELL of a job and has my support always. I couldnt do that job. Nothing but kudo’s from this guy) dont like the word cops. Thanks for the heads up on that.

by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 28, 2008 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not condemming Marshall.

What I am saying is a couple of other things.

1. When a young man gets into legal trouble more than once, this doesn’t make him “legaly” suspect of stupidity. But in the “real” world, it is reasonable to think there may be a problem with the young man’s decision making skills after several run ins with the legal system.

2. I don’t know what to make of Marshall’s issues yet. I’m much more concerned with the mindset of some that attempt to shift this matter to the girlfriend. I don’t like finding someone guilty by media reports any more than you do, but so far we have several instances of Marshall acting foolishly, and the question should (perhaps) be, “Is there a trail of behavior here?” rather than “Is this somehow a woman’s fault?”.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 29, 2008 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beautifully said.

Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.

by kwool79 on Jun 30, 2008 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I for one would like to see some maturity

Hopefully he settles down and realizes how important football is for his well being and, well…his whole life. He will never be able to make this kind of money again, nor will he likely be able to make a name for himself doing anything else. Youth is often wasted on mistakes. I know and understand, that the negativity could be overblown with his girlfriend problem, but time to move on. I hope he comes around.

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Jun 28, 2008 11:58 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Work vs. private life

I find it some what disturbing, that we are focusing so much on Broncos employees private lifes. If it didn’t affect my work effort, I would be angry, if my employer demoted or fired me, based on what happened in my private life.
The bad apples that the broncos have gotten rid of, have all been characterized as locker room problems – and I for one think that that is all that matters. As long as Marshall’s private life does not affect his play or becomes a locker room distraction we (as Bronco fans) should let him be.
Society has a criminal system in place to deal with any criminal activities, that Marshall might have been involved in. He shouldn’t be punished harder than any body else (by losing his job) just because he is a football player.

by Jeeeeens on Jun 29, 2008 8:11 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It may go deeper than that.

In the American culture, we hold certain professions above others in the conduct of employees. When I was a teacher, I could have lost my job for being seen in a “strip club” or even a liquor store. Is that fair? I don’t know. But it is reasonable. Had I been arrested for driving while impaired, I would have lot my job before even being tried. The issue is “appearence of evil”, not guilt. One could fight such a thing in the legal system, but we aren’t talking “legalities” here. Schools and the parents they serve are not well served when a faculty member brings personal disorder into a school, even when the faculty member did no wrong. It’s not a matter of fairness, but what is best for the structure. For that reason, good teachers go out of their way to avoid any question of impropriety. Upstanding educators resign when they bring discredit on their institution, even if they are not at fault for the situation that came about. Military officers are another example. Our politcal leaders used to practice “resignation with honor”, but this was lost after Nixon.

What does this have to do with athletes? One could point out that they are role models for youth, but this is a debatable point. Easier to argue is that playing professional football is a privledge, and one is expected to uphold a certain amount of character in the public eye. What a public person does in private is, like it or not, public. If one chooses to enter professional football, he does it with the clear implication that his personal life is fair game for employer decision making. If one doesn’t subscribe to this, he shouldn’t sign the player contract that spells this out.

I may be old fashioned, but I believe that my employer has a right to expect my loyalty. That means that I don’t run to the legal system to fight for my job if I’m a liablity to my employer.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 29, 2008 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Domestic Violence issues

I meant to show, in my previous post, that domestic violence is an extremely complicated issue, and that none of us knows what happened between Brandon Marshall and his girl friend.
As to some responses, if you are concerned about “the mindset of some who want to shift this matter to the girl friend”, it seems you have already found Marshall guilty. Read this in light of the report in this morning’s DP that Marshall’s lawyer has a letter from the girl friend demanding $500,000 from Marshall.
I don’t know what has happened between Marshall and his girl friend, and nor does any one else. I’d bet it’s not even clear to the two of them.
Domestic violence cases range from those where one partner totally dominates the other (and if you don’t think the female is often the dominator, you are unaware as to reality), to cases where the pair have an ongoing mutual abusive relationship that amounts to an agreed upon method of indulging in an adrenaline rush (adrenaline is – IMO after close to thirty years of trial work – the drug of choice for many – it’s free, readily available, and the sex afterwards can be great).
I could talk from now to sunrise about cases I’ve dealt with that involve co-dependant abuse, with the legal system manipulated to the max.
Bottom line once again – none of us know what happened between Marshall and his girl friend. Don’t convict this kid based on media hype.
As to my use of the word cop, or cops – none of my law enforcement friends object to it. The word comes from old British slang, where cop means to catch. So, if a law enforcement officer is referred to as a cop or copper, it means he’s good at his job, which is catching, or copping, criminals.

by bradley on Jun 29, 2008 12:53 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good points (and fair).

None of us know what happened. True. But repeated brushes with the law tend to demonstrate to reasonable people that there is a problem. If I was thinking like a lawyer, I would be precluded from thinking this way because prior behavior is a consideration for sentencing, not for determining guilt. But for those of us not forced to think in a legal framework, Brandon’s continued brushes with the law tend to demonstrate a continuing pattern of behavior.

I don’t know if Marshall is responsible or not. I do know that when lawyers get involved you get a lot of ridiculous behavior, whether it is the lawyer for Brandon shifting the blame to the girlfriend (the girfriend who surely must be responsible for all of Brandon’s behavior) or the girlfriends demand for so much money (which is the product of a litigious society, again, thanks to some in the legal profession). Frankly, I’m not happy with the behavior of either side in the matter. All I’m concerned about is football (in my role as an MHR member). Apparently, the NFL is concerned enough about it’s own image that it too is taking another look at Brandon.

In terms of the female being the dominator, you would have to define what you mean by “often”. It is certainly not close to being “more often the case” if that’s what you meant to convey. The literature just doesn’t support such a contention. Men are clearly the aggressors more often than not in cases of spousal abuse (which includes the live-in girlfriend dynamic).

I’m not going to address the assertion that the sex after abuse can be great. If you are talking about the dominator in some fetish context, you are way out of what we were talking about. I’m talking about the dominator in terms of who the abuser is in terms of domestic violence, not some fetish. To assert that abused women enjoy the sex after being attacked is just bizarre. I’ll assume that this couldn’t possibly be what you were hinting at, since the contention is just too out of the mainstream for reasoned discussion.

Since we know little about this case, it is just as unreasonable to jump to the conclusion that there is co-dependence involved. What is not an extraordinary leap is to assume that a young man who gets in consistent legal trouble is a fool.

The use of the term cops is debatable. Just as some lawyers respond to a judge with “Yes Judge” in an informal sense, many attorneys use the more formal (ie polite) “Yes, your honor”. While the term “cop” can be used without the intent to convey disrespect, the term can often be indicative of attitude.

For example, I often hear offenders, defense attorneys, and less educated folks use the term “cops”. When speaking with people whose perception of law enforcement is more positive, I often hear “officer” or “police”. It’s much like the difference between using “yeah” and “yes sir”. While one isn’t neccassarily impolite, it lacks the respect of the latter. It’s a matter of reasonable disagreement. In my book, I don’t go to the extreme of telling my child to say “Yes Sir”, but I do require “yes” instead of “yeah”. I also don’t allow use of the term “cop”. Reasonable minds can differ.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jun 29, 2008 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

C.O.P. = Constable on patrol

Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.

by kwool79 on Jun 30, 2008 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

YAY!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08

by Tim Lynch on Jul 3, 2008 2:32 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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