Why He'll Make the Team #3: Lorne Sam
Hi folks. Back with another edition of Why He'll Make the Team. I am going to continue looking at undrafted free agent pickups because, well, they're the most fun!
Today we're are going to take a gander at Lorne Sam, a Florida State and UTEP product. Sam, whose brother P.K. played on a Patriots championship team, was a highly touted high school player, and went to the Seminoles to be a QB. After being moved to receiver, and several injuries, Sam transferred to UTEP where he played QB, RB and WR. He earned his undergraduate degree in 2006, playing 2007 as a graduate student. At the combine he competed as WR and enters camp as longshot in a deep group of wideouts. Will he make the team? Read on and see what you think.
Tale of the Tape
via static.nfl.com
Height: 6' 2"
Weight: 220
40 Yard Dash: 4.59
Bench Reps: 23
The Criticisms
Lorne Wallace Sam has had a long and painful road to the NFL. In 2002 he followed his brother to Florida State, where he red shirted after a shoulder separation in August scrimmage. He followed that up with two unspectactular seasons, accounting for 10 receptions, , 6 yards rushing and a special teams tackle. After the second season, he discovered he had played the whole year on a broken foot, missed the postseason and decided to transfer to UTEP. After a year off, Sam played two seasons for UTEP, missing part of each one due to knee and foot injuries. His final season he compiled over 1000 yards of total offense, primarily running and receiving, despite missing the final two games.
With six year saga like that behind him, you can imagine that one major concern with drafting Sam was his injury history. He only played one complete season in college - the rest were all injury shortened.
This also meant he moved around a lot. His QB career was derailed when he couldn't stay on the field. He was injured as a slot receiver, ending up running the ball quite a bit. He has never focused on a single skillset, and his receiving skills are raw - his hands questionable if strong, his route running sloppy. To top it off, some question his deep speed and his propensity to fumble.
Scouts question his desire and work ethic, and cite his hesitance to extend his arms and fight for balls in the air. His blocking is not physical enough. The concern is that he gets by on athleticism, rather than the disciplined technique and toughness necessary to succeed in the NFL.
The Response
Many of the concerns about Lorne Sam are in fact well founded, which is probably why he ended up signing as a free agent. There is nothing he can do about his injury history now besides get out there and play, frankly. However, in an interview with PatriotsInsider.com before the draft, Sam said he got a whole battery of tests at the combine, and they came up clean - including his troublesome left foot. He seems to be healed, although until he plays some NFL games the durability questions will remain.
Also true is the fact that Sam jumped all over the field in his college career, never really perfecting one position. He may not be ready for prime time as a starting receiver, but he has shown a willingness to play wherever needed. In his PatriotsInsider.com interview he says that he personally requested to play special teams everywhere he went, but as a QB most seasons, he wasn't allowed. He talks about being a gritty player, wanting to play like Hines Ward and getting it done however and wherever he can. If he can make himself useful as a gadget player, special teamer, and emergency quarterback he could buy himself the time to develop his receiving skills.
Finally, Lorne Sam follows his older brother P.K. to the NFL. His brother left school early and has bounced around. In contrast, Lorne is coming off a year of studying for a Master's in Educational Leadership (which I am guessing would be applicable to being a school principal or superintendent). He talks about how his brother's tough experience helped him understand that this is a job, and he needs to work nine to five, and then some, to succeed. That kind of attention to detail, and his brother's guidance, could help him put in the time to overcome his fumbling and motivation issues.
The NFL's online draft prospect analysis mentions that he seemed to figure out that he needed to fight for the extra yard his senior season, and that his blocking was adequate - when he put his all in. He has the fight in him, he just may need some coaching to help him express it on the field.
Lorne Sam is a tantalizing prospect. With his skill in the short receiving game and on the ground and the improved moves after the catch he flashed his senior season, Sam is a special talent. He has pretty good speed - near Marshall's combine number in the 40 and faster than top 10 finisher Eddie Royal in the 60 yard shuttle - and is quite strong - second only to Royal in the combine bench press. He averaged 5.7 yards per carry his two years at UTEP.
He is an upstanding guy - he tells a story about being shocked that a team at the combine asked him not just if he belonged to a gang or owned a gun, but whether he ever shot a man. He led student organizations, got a degree and kept his nose clean. He would certainly not be a "problem child" on the squad.
If he can develop his aggressiveness and route running he could blossom into a "slash" type player along the lines of Randle-El, an intriguing tool in Mike Shanahan's offense. Although he clearly doesn't fit as a QB in the NFL, he talks about viewing the game that way, and has a real mind for the game. He is highly intelligent, having skipped a grade in elementary school and having pursued graduate studies at UTEP. Such a guy is an asset on a team, whether as a returner, receiver runner or emergency quarterback.
He is still raw receiver and is not ready for primetime. In a less deep
wide receiving corps, he could have a slim chance of making a roster as a returner or special teamer. With the depth of the receiver position in Denver this year, including fellow rookie Eddie Royal, Sam probably at best shows enough in camp to warrant a spot on the practice squad. Realistically he will not beat out McDaniel, Russell Parker or Martinez for the last WR spot. His versatility will help his chances to hang around as a long term project though, as Shanahan cannot be too happy with running Mike Leach out there as his 3rd quarterback (as he did last year without Rod Smith available). With a bad camp, however, I think Sam hits the streets.
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
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Comments
Great post. Who is P.K.? I didn't catch his brothers name anymore...
is he well known and I should know right off the bat who this PK guy is? :)
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by Tim Lynch on Jul 10, 2008 6:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I need an editor
P.K. is Lorne’s older brother. He has played for the Pats, Bengals, Dolphins and spent last year on the Raiders practice squad. Basically he hasn’t done much and kinda sucks. P.K. stands for Philip Kenwood…
Edited the post for clarity – thanks for pointing out the confusing bits. :-)
by jonahsilas on Jul 10, 2008 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet post!
Keep ‘em coming.
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by sirsam on Jul 10, 2008 8:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Jonah How do you keep up with this?
Lorne was Adam, Hoss and Little Joe’s Dad.
Thanks for the Post
by Mike Clark on Jul 10, 2008 10:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Was he green?
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson
by firstfan on Jul 10, 2008 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greene as he could be until BattleStar
funny us
by Mike Clark on Jul 10, 2008 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Q were always fun
Us mere humans just didn’t know about it until Star Trek! ;-)
by jonahsilas on Jul 13, 2008 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep up is the wrong term
Google knows and sees all. I just waste my time finding it. ;-)
by jonahsilas on Jul 11, 2008 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be lucky to make the PS I think
but if he does make the PS, he should develop along the lines of Rod (as you said) and since Shanahan doesn’t like to keep a 3rd QB, it would be nice to have a guy who can fill in as an emergency QB if we needed it (again, like Rod).
by Darin H on Jul 11, 2008 12:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree
that Shanny’s dream of having a true emergency QB might keep him around if he is that raw. Having a “slash” type player on the squad, too, could be great long term, and gives Lorne more wiggle room to make the PS.
by jonahsilas on Jul 11, 2008 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you should write...
...something about beating out Parker and Martinez in camp for the last paragraph. You mentioned Colbert, but I think he’s slightly ahead of Jackson in the race for the #2 WR position.
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by Steve Nichols on Jul 11, 2008 1:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Err...
I wrote, in the final paragraph:
“Realistically he will not beat out Colbert, Parker or Martinez for the last WR spot. “
Were you suggesting to expound on that? As I thought about it, I really didn’t think he could beat them out, but I thought it warranted a mention anyway.
by jonahsilas on Jul 11, 2008 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
I do think Colbert has a spot nailed down, so it is really a question of beating out Martinez and Parker. Possible, but not probable.
by jonahsilas on Jul 11, 2008 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont see
Martinez or Parker making the roster. The Wr’s are gonna be Marshall, J jax, Colbert, Stokley, and Royal. The only way Martinez or anyone else stays is if #15 is suspended for a few games. But at the earliest that would happpen would be in OCT. Cuz the commish is not gonna move on #15 until his DUI trial which is in late Sept (i am correct). IMO
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jul 12, 2008 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
we keep 6 – especially given a few games w/o Marshall looming. In which case, McDaniel, Parker, Shepherd, Russell, Martinez and Sam are all battling for that last spot. I see Parker and Martinez as the “favorites.”\
Should be quite the training camp battle. Whomever gets it done on ST may be the ultimate winner. Will be fun to watch…
by jonahsilas on Jul 12, 2008 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Except for last year they usually only keep 5 wr. Thats how I answered it. Based on what Shanny generally does. But if they keep 6 it could be between Martinez and Clark
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jul 12, 2008 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely see you point
and it is not as if we had killer/proven backups in previous seasons (see Darius Watts, Triandos Luke, Brian Clark, etc.) so maybe we keep 5. If so, Lorne is fighting for a PS spot at best. Martinez, Parker, et al. are probably doneso, unless someone is hurt in camp.
But – in most recent years we had at least a clear #1 and #2 coming out of camp, both with significant experience. The backup pool, then, was less significant.
This year, though, our #1 is looking at his first chance at the spot, and facing a possible suspension and recovery from a significant arm injury. The top #2 candidates are both coming off of disappointing seasons and have not played in the system. Our only stability at receiver going into camp is in the slot with Stokely backed up by Royal (presumably). If nobody blows away the competition in camp, I see 6 coming out, with a cut after Marshall’s issues are cleared up.
Regardless, camp is gonna be fun – moreso if 11 receivers are vying for 5 slots (or really 6 for 1)!
by jonahsilas on Jul 13, 2008 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Maybe the guy who finishes , lets say #7, could end up on the practice squad. I think if these guys all do produce this could be best depth the Broncos have had at WR in years
by broncfanstuckinsd on Jul 14, 2008 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no no.
I saw that. What I was (doing a poor job) of saying was that you should leave in Parker and Martinez, but drop Colbert from the remark. Colbert seems to be in the lead for the #2 position in some circles (along with Jackson). I tried to be too clever in my wording, but I was trying to get across that Colbert isn’t in the same category of being beat out as is Parker and Martinez.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Jul 12, 2008 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. I get ya.
I am not sure I am sold on Colbert, but Shanahan seems very high on him, and the media does have him competing for #2…. I would love for him to pan out, but I thought he looked soft and uninspired in Carolina. That’s probably why I mentioned him, but you are right he is not competition for Lorne.Point well taken – thanks for clarifying.
Heck, Sam needs to pass McDaniel and Russell long before he ever gets to battling out any of the three I mentioned! He definitely has an uphill battle…. I think I will make an edit.
by jonahsilas on Jul 12, 2008 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam's 40-yd. time
When the CFAs were announced I looked Sam up and came up with a vastly different 40-yd. dash time. Times can be inflated or only the athlete’s best time is reported so it’s not unusual to find a discrepancy of this sort. Still, after digging a little deeper and looking at his prep record I found - again - a very fast athlete, and one who was highly recruited. This only deepened the mystery, since it’s unlikely that scouting services; Rivals, Scout, etc., would have missed on his speed by such a large margin.
I looked around again and may have figured out why his NFL Pro Combine time was so slow—apparently he slipped on one of the two alloted 40-yd. attempts, and they combine the two attempts and usually only the average time is reported.
He’s also put up some pretty impressive metrics in other areas. He’s clearly an extremely gifted athlete, and not all that slow for a large wideout, going on some of the other times he’s posted. I think we should accept the fact that his pro combine time was an artifact and drop the slow tag for him. BTW—Spencer Larsen had a similar problem with his pro combine time, so he’s also a little faster than we’ve been led to believe.
Sam still has a problem with experience, but he’s even more intriguing than billed. I share your enthusiasm, jonahsilas, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Sam eventually makes the regular roster. Also, I’m very impressed with his academic credentials, which is another reason to suspect he’s destined for success.
by Colinski on Jul 11, 2008 8:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the response
and the research. I came up with some differing times as well – and gave him the benefit of the doubt. He did have a faster shuttle time than Eddie Royal, who we know is super fast. Even with all that, he hasn’t gotten a single vote for the squad of 53! I think the lack of experience hurts him, but I, for one, won’t be surprised if he is on the squad a year or two from now.
I think the academic cred says a lot – at least he knows how to work at something. It warms my heart to know that if this dream doesn’t work out, some school somewhere is going to get a killer administrator. He was born in Denver, and lord knows the Denver school system could use more intelligent (and intimidating) folks on board. (No offense to any of the current ones!)
by jonahsilas on Jul 11, 2008 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
practice makes perfect
Rod Smith spent a year on the practice squad, and he also ran a 4.6 40-yd. as did Jerry Rice. Sam has the tools to succeed if devotes himself to learning route running, etc. It’s a little unfair to measure his success at this point based on whether he makes the 53 man squad. He’s going to have to work on his game, and that takes some time.
by Colinski on Jul 11, 2008 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quintessential
practice squader, it’s true. I forget that Rod spent a year down there. I figured there would at least be one hopeless optimist who voted for him making the squad – but Mike Clark already mailed in from lala land, so chances seem slim.
Yet another reason to bring in Rod Smith as a player developer. When not shadowing Marshall, he could be showing Sam the ropes.
by jonahsilas on Jul 11, 2008 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice research – thanks
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by Emmett Smith on Jul 12, 2008 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the chances....
of developing him into a Safety?
by d2soulja on Jul 13, 2008 8:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
AFAIK
He has never played D… so it might be a stretch. He could be an intriguing talent in there, though. Only happens if some weird s$*# goes down in camp, I think!
by jonahsilas on Jul 15, 2008 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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