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The Character of Jamie Winborn

(Promoted to the front page by Hoosierteacher and Styg50.  Hey, Guru's out of town, so we figured we'd have some fun trying out the reigns of power.  Besides [and much more importantly], the good doctor, BroncoBear, did a heck of a job with this post.  Congrats!)

#51 / Linebacker / Denver Broncos. Height: 5-11  Weight: 230

Like a lot of Broncos people, I first noticed Jamie Winborn when the Broncos acquired him last September – we needed help at LB and he was an interesting pickup. The word potential was used a lot. With seven years of experience behind him, I hoped that he could help bolster our corps. He played well in a few games, made a lot of good tackles on ST and this off-season I rooted for him to catch on to the squad.

Then, on a whim I began to Google him. A few articles widened my eyes, and after several hours I decided to share a little of what I found. The Broncos are going heavily after players who have character and IMHO Jamie Winborn has it in spades.

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Jamie was born on May 13, 1979 in Wetumpka Alabama. If you haven’t heard of it, don’t feel bad – few have. A few words from SI’s Dr Z explains it:

"As a 7-year old in Wetumpka, Ala., he knew what it was like to pick peas and load watermelons 10 hours a day. And to grow up with a father he'd never known and a mother whose drug problems had her in and out of jail, to grow up in a two-room house in the Alabama woods, where the roof always leaked when it rained and the electricity was turned off most of the time and the toilets and plumbing never worked ... the woods were his toilet.

He knew what it was like to fight in school every day because he thought people were passing remarks about his mother. Somehow he survived, and sports and the schoolbooks became his escape. He wound up at Vanderbilt, an undersized but explosive linebacker, and then joined the San Francisco 49ers as a second-round draft choice last year (2001)."

At Vanderbilt, other players struggled to understand his back-woods accent, so he changed his entire way of speaking, and gives speeches today. That is the kind of man Winborn is – he will change anything that holds him back, and he never, ever gives up. He’s also that kind of player. He led the SEC in tackles over two seasons and during that time recording 272 stops, 38 tackles for a loss and 13 1/2 sacks. He was not the biggest of players at 5'11, 235 pounds, but he bench pressed 420 pounds and ran a 4.55 40. He was also a preseason first-team All-SEC and All-American selection and was possibly the best defender ever to wear a Commodore uniform.

Winborn struggled with a knee and thigh injuries his first year. It was a pattern that would plague him throughout his career. Returning to training camp in 2002, he became a backup to Jeff Ulbrich. On Sept 5 2002 Ulbrich was out with an injury as the 49ers played the Giants. Dr Z was there:

 "I saw one of the most remarkable displays of outside linebacker play that I'd ever witnessed. It seemed as if Winborn had stolen the Giants' playbook. He had a read on everything ... runs, passes. He'd shoot the gap and tackle the runner in the backfield; next play he'd drop into coverage and lock onto the receiver at the same time the ball arrived. It was a virtuoso performance, a textbook on how to play weakside linebacker in the NFL. The stat sheet credited him with 16 total tackles, the high number in the league that weekend, but his performance was more about instincts than numbers.

"Well, I knew about Winborn as a special teamer and occasional starter last season, and I knew he got the call against the Giants because the regular, Jeff Ulbrich, was out with a hyperextended knee. And the big question in my mind, as I headed for the 49ers locker room, was how do you send a guy like Winborn back to the bench after a performance like that?" (Sports Illustrated, Wed. Oct 2)

After his 16 tackles in the 49ers' 2002 opener against the New York Giants he played just two more games before spraining his left knee. After multiple setbacks his leg required surgery, but Winborn even took this as a positive and said his injuries allowed him,

"...to take a different perspective on the game. I'm better on film study now, in the weight room, in a lot of the little things you have to do."

Winborn never quite meshed with the staff of the 49ers, although the players loved him and his high motor. He did play in 14 games in 2004, and he notched 63 tackles, 55 unassisted, with 4.5 sacks.

Coach Mike Nolan took over the 49ers and tried to put his stamp on the team, in part by switching to a 3-4 defense. Winborn was considered slow to catch on to the new system, although he had 13 tackles in the first two games. But in a shocking move, Coach Nolan suddenly benched him and told him to clean out his locker. Nolan traded him to Jacksonville for a 7th round draft pick. Some felt that he was signaling the team that that no player was safe. Winborn, feeling that he was a starting linebacker in the NFL, fearlessly picked up a portion of his then-$550,000 salary to seal the deal.

Jacksonville cut him loose quickly after a late fall of more injuries, but Tampa picked him up in the following spring. He spent one season with the Bucs, notching an anemic 12 tackles in 14 games of sporadic play. The Buccaneers weren’t ready to give him what he felt was a sufficient long term commitment. Winborn had signed a five-year deal with the Buccaneers as a free agent during the 2006 offseason. However, his deal, which included a $200,000 signing bonus, has an option in it that would allow the former Vanderbilt star to buy himself out of the rest of the deal and become an unrestricted free agent on March 2 2007.

"Right now I’m just waiting to see if Tampa Bay wants to do a longer term deal as opposed to me buying out of the deal and exploring the market," Winborn told PewterReport.com. "I really like Tampa and that’s pretty much where I’d like to be. I’m just trying to give it a little more time to see what happens."

According to the Tampa media, he bought himself out of his contract and repaid the $200,000 signing bonus he received in 2006. He chose to not earn the $200,000 roster bonus he was scheduled to receive in March of '07. Winborn wanted a new contract that would show more of a long-term commitment on Tampa Bay’s part.

"When I came here I was expecting something different than what I’ve gotten," said Winborn. "But I don’t have a problem with that. I’m just looking for some type of long-term commitment. They know what I’m capable of doing and they know what they have. Hopefully they like what they’ve seen and want to make a move on it."

The Bucs weren't in much of a hurry to make a move of that level for a player that they weren't convinced about. So, on September 11, 2007 he signed with the Denver Broncos. In 14 games (2 starts) he led the team with 11 special-teams tackles while adding 24 defensive tackles (21 solo), including a half-sack (4.5 yds.), and three passes defensed. He is a natural LB at the WILL position, but since DJ Williams is (IMO) a soon-to-be Probowler, Winborn must continue to make his mark as a backup and on ST.

How do you vote against a man who came from nothing, with no known father and a drug-addicted mother, who lived with no plumbing, who escaped to schoolwork and managed grow up early, to get thru the Vanderbilt program and then to achieve being drafted in the 2nd round of the NFL draft? Who cheerfully returns money to gain a chance at a team who sees him as he sees himself? For that matter, how many teams don’t need a player who will play snap to whistle every down of every day and who puts out his all on special teams whenever asked?

"I've basically been trying to overcome stereotypes from previous coaches, stuff like that . . . as far as personalitywise and what kind of person I was when I left California and San Francisco. People were asking me about that when I was visiting teams," Winborn said. "I've just tried to stay patient. I know what type of player I am. I kept working and playing hard and kept being the guy I am, and it's worked out."

The Broncos gave Winborn a two-year contract extension this off-season. The deal is reportedly worth $4 million over the next season and gives him the opportunity to earn $1.5 million in various bonuses in 2008 and '09. Hopefully, that is enough of a commitment for Winborn to stay a Bronco. I hope he earns every dime of those bonuses. Even if he hasn’t yet reached that vaunted ‘next level’ you have to admire his courage, persistence, his belief in himself and his ceaseless effort. Those are the things of character. And character does have value on the Denver Broncos.

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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Great Post !

I knew Shanahan was high on this guy , now I can see why . It sounds like he just wants to contribute in whatever way the team needs him – Heart is a great asset to our team GO BRONCOS

by okiebroncosfan on Jul 2, 2008 10:59 PM MDT   0 recs

Great Read Bear!!!

Thanks for doing the research and story. This was a great read. I had no idea the background behind Wiborn. I am a Winborn fan now for sure! I hope he has a great year.

by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jul 2, 2008 11:01 PM MDT   0 recs

Thank you for sharing this Broncobear

This is top quality reporting here. I’ll bet you were one of hte few doctors that had a legible signature.

Between this disclosure, his salary cap numbers, the composition of the LB corp at this point in time, and his play filling in for Gold last year and on ST I will say with 100% assurance that he is on our 2008 53 man roster, barring injury.

It must be tough to stay patient and accpet what appears for all purposes to be a lesser, or backup role. I hope he understands and that the Broncos clearly see that even the backups need to be unique and unrepeatable assets for a team to be a championship contender.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Jul 3, 2008 12:44 AM MDT   0 recs

Thank you, styg50

Can’t write for beans, but thank God for typing…:) Thanks to all. He has played some SAM and some MIKE as well – a very versatile man. There has been a lot of discussion over the years as to whether his natural position is SAM or WILL. His courage seemed to flow out of the pages to me. Injuries have slowed his production, but as a piece in rotation or to support players who go down with injuries I think he’s the kind of man that lets D-Coordinators sleep at night.

There aren't any algorithms for character or courage, but you can't coach either

by broncobear on Jul 3, 2008 1:28 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Great Post !!

Thanks for a great read. Winborn definitely caught my attention late last season. Now I know that he has a unique history and seems to be the kind of character player you can never get enough of. Here’s hoping he sticks. He actually sounds like starter material for me, can he play any other positions besides Will?

by unkown on Jul 3, 2008 1:13 AM MDT   0 recs

I always liked him

Plus he was overshawdowed by Julian Peterson. I am glad he is here. But I doubt he will ever be a starter. I think he has that kind of talent.

by broncfanstuckinsd on Jul 3, 2008 12:18 PM MDT   0 recs

broncofanstuck

Thanks for adding in. I agree – he may never start full time. But, reading this info and looking back at the media and scouting analysis, I noted, as I said above, that he’s been scouted for SAM and WILL, and played a few games/downs at MIKE. Given that a big knock on Boss has been his health (he missed 2004 while rehabbing a knee and played in 11 in ‘05, 16 in ‘06 and 15 in ‘07) Winborn’s flexibility may be a double blessing.

By the way, Winborn wasn’t with Seattle where Julian Peterson played. Niko was there, backing up Tatupu. Like I said, I agree that Jamie may never be a starter. I’d hate to bet against the fella, though.

Think where man's glory most begins and ends,
And let me say my glory was I had such friends
-Yeats-

by broncobear on Jul 4, 2008 7:48 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

No sir

They were in Sf at the the time. I have a real good buddy who is a 49ers fan. He liked Winborn more than Peterson. I think Julian is good, but for some reason I am a huge Winborn fan. I was hoping to see him more last year at the WILL. But I like DJ more. I do like having Winborn to back up both DJ and Boss. Here is my question. Do you think Boss and Winborn are equals? I am just curious why Denver did not give Winborn a chance to get the starting SAM spot.

Great post BB

by broncfanstuckinsd on Jul 7, 2008 2:01 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Great Question

This is just an assumption = Boss (also) had a bad knee his first year out. Although the recent post worrying about his health is accurate across his career, the past two seasons he has played nearly every game. The issues of Winborn’s injuries seem to comtinue bother everyone except him. He has a greater history of injury (more games, more years) although he plays as if he does not.

Since he’s our top special team’s tackler, we can see how he does if someone goes down, but still have his ST expertise – which is a little less risk of injury.

Think where man's glory most begins and ends,
And let me say my glory was I had such friends
-Yeats-

by broncobear on Jul 8, 2008 6:15 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

cool

I guess I kinda forgot about that. Maybe he is on the team more for depth and his ST play. I just think he is real good and should be a starter. But you make outstanding points

by broncfanstuckinsd on Jul 8, 2008 6:26 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks -

Didn’t find Petersen/SF in my research anywhere – thanks for the hit!

Think where man's glory most begins and ends,
And let me say my glory was I had such friends
-Yeats-

by broncobear on Jul 8, 2008 11:16 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks – that didn’t show up in my research. Appreciate the tip

Think where man's glory most begins and ends,
And let me say my glory was I had such friends
-Yeats-

by broncobear on Jul 9, 2008 2:28 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Awesome post dude...been awol for a few days, catching up now. ;)

Great read!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08

by Zappa on Jul 3, 2008 2:15 PM MDT   0 recs

I wasn't going to say this, but I just can't help it...

Luckily football players aren’t superstitious or that September 11th signing date would be quite foreboding.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08

by Zappa on Jul 3, 2008 2:19 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Winborn

First, I don’t think we got a good look at Winborn, who was playing in the contain system last year. If anyone has read any of my old posts, the adjustments for the OLBs is the most radical on the team. Winborn is now stuck behind DJ Williams (who has Pro Bowl written all over him, if the voters are smart).

Winborn will be a killer on STs, and a more than capable back-up for DJ. It’s a shame that he doesn’t get more recognition.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jul 3, 2008 2:16 PM MDT   0 recs

We recognize him here!

Anybody who can find his agent’s info and deliver it to the editorial staff of MHR will get a cookie. Guru may want to talk to this guy, and we might get a chance to let him know that MHR has got his back…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Jul 3, 2008 2:22 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The agent is

I believe Steve Baker. Still giving away cookies for contact info guys…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Jul 3, 2008 2:23 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Scramble MHR Intell guys...

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jul 3, 2008 2:44 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

OLB play
If anyone has read any of my old posts, the adjustments for the OLBs is the most radical on the team.

Would that have had anything to do with Ian Gold’s unexpectedly poor play, as well as Webster’s constantly overruning plays on the other side? Just wondering.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Jul 3, 2008 6:03 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes and no.

Some of the problems were definitely scheme related. Some of the problems were individual. I wrote about it a few times (at the time).

Poor tackling is individual. On the other hand, in a scheme were one is required to “vector” instead of tackle (the OLBs only tackle when the runner turns back to the inside), that can be overlooked sometimes. Webster was terrrible about overruning, but he improved as the season (and the scheme) changed.

In short, Webster wasn’t playing well, but was out of his natural position and out of his element in the scheme both. That’s forgivable. Gold (who was a favorite of mine) seemed at first to have scheme related problems, bu then just went downhill individualy. It seems to me that he became frustrated, then just gave up as the season went on. His problem seems harder to figure out, so “giving up” is the only theory I really have.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jul 3, 2008 11:21 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks broncobear!

This is an outstanding post filled with information and interest. There is a lot of pathos here. BTW I got some pretty good pics for you. I am headed out now but will send in a couple of weeks. Thanks again for the great post. Recommended!

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Jul 3, 2008 2:47 PM MDT   0 recs

Thanks, First

I can’t wait to see them!

There aren't any algorithms for character or courage, but you can't coach either

by broncobear on Jul 3, 2008 3:05 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

You made it too easy:

Contact:

Baker Sports Management
Stephen L. Baker
Attorney at Law
555 Market Street
21st Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105
VOX 415.433.3355
FAX 415.433.4522
steve@bakersports.com

There aren't any algorithms for character or courage, but you can't coach either

by broncobear on Jul 3, 2008 3:07 PM MDT   0 recs

I take back the cookie thing I said...

Well, what did you all expect? Would YOU try to feed a cookie to a Bear???

I didn’t think so.

(Thanks Bear!)

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Jul 3, 2008 3:18 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

It’s not nice to fool with Mother Nature…

There aren't any algorithms for character or courage, but you can't coach either

by broncobear on Jul 3, 2008 4:18 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Styg...

Give the Bear his cookie. Even if it is virtual.

by YellowStoneBronco on Jul 7, 2008 9:44 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Then run!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jul 8, 2008 2:39 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

*tip toe*

-drop-

-run-

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Jul 8, 2008 2:58 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Think where man's glory most begins and ends,
And let me say my glory was I had such friends
-Yeats-

by broncobear on Jul 8, 2008 2:39 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Great Story

I remember many plays last year and seeing his number all over the place. I didn’t know his background, but I knew he didn’t just show up off the short bus. Great piece of information on Winborn. Character Counts!

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Jul 3, 2008 3:37 PM MDT   0 recs

What a great story. Thanks Broncobear

Is anyone else one of those emotional blubber-up types that get a tear in their eye when they read about someone like Jamie. Thanks again Bear.

by Mike Clark on Jul 3, 2008 5:01 PM MDT   0 recs

Breathtaking!

I was actually, before reading this post of course, afraid of what would happen if DJ should go down! Safe to say that that scenario doesn’t keep me awake anymore!

Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!

by Claus Vestergaard on Jul 3, 2008 5:42 PM MDT   0 recs

Jamie Winborn

I love this article!
Another stand up Vandy guy. I hope he stays with the Broncos and has a bigger role this year with the team, maybe in some third down situations etc.
Keep up the good stuff bear….this was a great article on a guy that does not seek publicity.
Peace!

by boydy2669 on Jul 4, 2008 8:25 AM MDT   0 recs

Thanks, boydy2669!

I love the Broncos Vandy connection

Think where man's glory most begins and ends,
And let me say my glory was I had such friends
-Yeats-

by broncobear on Jul 4, 2008 8:51 AM MDT   0 recs

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