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2008 Denver Broncos -- Breaking Down the Roster #7 - Running Back

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Can Young be "The Man"?

In an earlier breakdown focused on the Offensive Line I talked about the Broncos needing to get back to what they do best, to what they are -- a running football team.  While the line is obviously an important part of that, you had better have someone carrying the rock that can get the job done, consistently, game after game.  The Broncos had that when they were winning Super Bowls, and while you simply can't plug someone in to replace a player like Davis(if you could he would in no way be a Hall of Famer), the Broncos have swung and missed and at times relied too much on what I call T.D. Syndrome, thinking you can grab another diamond in the rough at running back simply becuase you did it  with Davis.

What do I mean?  Let's take a look at the past 9 seasons since the Broncos won their two Super Bowl titles and who led the team in rushing each year, as well as the team's record  --

1999 - Olandis Gary             -  1159 yds -  7 tds     -  6-10
2000 - Mike Anderson          -  1487 yds - 15 tds  - 11-5
2001 - Terrell Davis              -    701 yds  -   0 tds  -    8-8
2002 - Clinton Portis            -  1508 yds -  15 tds  -    9-7
2003 - Clinton Portis            -  1591 yds -  14 tds  - 10-6
2004 - Reuben Droughns  -   1240 yds -    6 tds   - 10-6
2005 - Mike Anderson         -   1014 yds -  12 tds - 13-3
2006 - Tatum Bell                -    1025 yds -   2 tds  -    9-7
2007 - Selvin Young            -      729 yds -   1 tds  -    7-9

A couple of things pop out immediately to me.  First, over the past 9 seasons, 7 different running backs have led the team in rushing.  In 5 of those years, the elading rusher had fewer than 10 TDs, and only once, when Clinton Portis was toting the rock, did the same player lead the team in rushing back to back.  It also struck me that, other than Portis and Mike Anderson, the running back getting the majority of the carries could not consistently get into the end zone.  That affects the offense, folks, and if your premier back can't punch it into the end zone you are probably going to struggle in the red zone.

Heading into 2008, the Broncos look to be committing to Selvin Young.  I am a big fan of Young, always have been.  That said, he still needs to prove he can be an every down back.  He still needs to prove that he can have a big run, a big quarter, a big half, a big game and come back and do it the next play, quarter, half, game and week.  Game after game, month after month.  The proof is in the pudding.   If the Broncos are going to snif the playoffs, Young, or whoever is the feature back, needs to be the guy to carry the load.  I think Young has the ability, he needs to prove it.  There are other candidates as well.  Let's look at them.

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SELVIN YOUNG (5-11, 215 / 2nd Year)

Can Selvin Young be "The Man"?  That is the big question surrounding the Running Back position.  The Broncos had the opportunity to draft a talented running back early in the draft and chose not to, instead allowing Young to come in and be the guy.  Yea, I know, Travis Henry was still on the roster, but do you really, really think Shanny had any kind of faith in Henry?  Me neither.  The questions that hover around Young have been there since his days at Texas - durability. 

The leading rusher for the Broncos the previous 8 seasons, before 2007, averaged 256 carries per season.  Young had 140 carries last year, and had 365 in college, total, over 5 seasons at Texas.  His season high as a Longhorn was 137 his Senior season.  If Young is going to be the man, and do what the 8 players did before him, he'll have to carry the ball over 100 times more than he has ever done. 

The 256 carries per year average out to 16 carries per game.  In 15 games last season, Young averaged 9.3 carries per game.  Young will have to nearly double his production per game.  I say this because I am a believer that the Broncos need to have a horse, pun intended, carrying the ball game in, game out.  It benefits the quarterback and the offensive line to know the style of the guy running behind them.  Even the Wide Receivers get used to how long they need to block down field.  Having a "variety" in the backfield disrupts the flow of the offense.

I think Young can be the man.  I just can't say it with certainty because I haven't seen it from Young at any level.  No of us have.  He'll get the first shot this year, and the Broncos success is largely dependent on Selvin Young doing things he never has before.

2007 Season Notes:  Played in 15 games (8 starts), registering 140 carries for 729 yards (5.2 avg.) and a touchdown, including a 50-yard run while making 35 catches for 231 yards (6.6 avg.). His eight starts are the most by a Broncos rookie since Clinton Portis opened 12 games in 2002. Became just the sixth undrafted rookie – and second Bronco (Mike Bell, 2006) – since the inception of the common draft (1967) to amass 500 rushing yards. His rookie performance ranks third among undrafted rookies as he passed Mike Bell (677) and Clark Gaines (724, NYJ, 1976) in the season finale. Ranks third among league rookies in rushing (729 yds.) and stands fourth among all NFL players in yards per rush (5.2). Placed sixth among the team’s all-time single-season rushing performances by a rookie. Amassed 1,016 all-purpose yards (729 rushing, 231 receiving, 56 kick returns). Made his pro debut and registered two carries for seven yards at Buf. (9/9). In the home opener vs. Oak. (9/16), he carried three times for 43 yards (14.3 avg.), including a 40-yard run, while making a 1-yard catch. In the second quarter against the Raiders, he burst through the line on third-and-9 for 40 yards to help set up Sapp’s 4-yard touchdown run. He contributed two carries for seven yards and a pair of catches for 37 yards vs. Jac. (9/23). Posted career highs in carries (8) and yards (81) at Ind. (9/30). Recorded three carries for 47 yards, including a 32-yard run on third-and-4, on a drive that culminated in Marshall’s 7-yard touchdown grab against the Colts. He also made two catches for 19 yards. Registered a career-high four catches for 20 yards while rushing once for no gain vs. S.D. (10/7). Recorded a 16-yard reception along with two carries for one yard on Sunday Night Football vs. Pit. (10/21). His 16-yard reception on third-and-14 sustained a drive that culminated in Scheffler’s 1-yard touchdown catch in the third quarter. Made his first pro start on Monday Night Football vs. G.B. (10/29) and on 18 attempts he gained 71 yards (3.9 avg.) while making a team-leading six catches for 49 yards, including a 24-yarder. Gained 12 yards on six carries and posted two catches for 15 yards at Det. (11/4). Recorded his first 100-yard game as a pro in a start at K.C. (11/11) as he gained 109 yards and a touchdown on 20 carries. Added three catches for 20 yards against the Chiefs. His 20-yard touchdown in the third quarter opened a 13-8 lead. As the starting running back, gained 54 yards on 14 carries (3.9 avg.) while making two catches for nine yards on Monday Night Football vs. Ten. (11/19). Declared inactive at Chi. (11/25) due to a knee injury. Carried seven times for 28 yards and made two catches for 17 yards before an arm injury forced him to leave the game at Oak. (12/2). Posted the second 100-yard game of his career when he totaled a career-high 156 yards on 17 carries (9.2 avg., including a 50-yard run, to help the team amass 453 total net yards of offense vs. K.C. (12/9). His total of 156 yards on 17 carries marks the second-most rushing yards by a Bronco with under 20 carries in a game (Clinton Portis, 14 for 165 yards, vs. Chicago, 11/23/03). His 143 yards in the first half marked the second time the team had a 100-yard rusher in a half (Henry, 106 (1st half), at Indianapolis, 9/30/07) and is the seventh-highest single-half performance in team annals. His 50-yard run on the team’s opening possession was his career long and was the team’s second-longest rush of the season (Hall, 68 yd-run, vs. Tennessee, 11/19/07). His 50-yard run helped set up the Stokley’s 21-yard touchdown catch capping its opening possession. With the team using the two-minute offense, he opened the drive with a 30-yard run to help move the team into position for Elam’s 37-yard field goal to close the first half. Added 34 yards on eight carries, including a 20-yard run in his return to his hometown on Thursday Night Football at Hou. (12/13). Carried 10 times for 39 yards while making two catches for eight yards on Monday Night Football at S.D. (12/24). Started the season finale vs. Min. (12/30) and posted a career-high 22 carries for 87 yards (4.0 avg.), including a 20-yard run, while making three catches for 12 yards. On the team’s first touchdown drive, carried four times for 36 yards (9.0 avg.), including a 20-yard run.


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MICHAEL PITTMAN (6-0, 225 / 11th Year)

The Broncos brought Michael Pittman in to add some veteran leadership to a running back corps and ballclub that really doesn't have alot of it.  When it was becoming apparent to the Broncos that Travis Henry was going to become a bust they signed Pittman, and while he shouldn't be considered the feature back, he does provide the intangibles most successful teams need and possess.  Pittman has never rushed for over 1000 yards in a season, or caught 100 passes, but each season Pittman totals 700-1500 yards in combined offense.  Raiders fans remember Pittman's performace in Super Bowl XXXVII and he provides the Broncos the type of toughness the team needs.

The Broncos aren't completely convinced that Selvin Young will be able to get it done in the Red Zone or in short yardage situations.  Wisely the team went out and grabbed a tough, hard-nosed back that will do what ever it takes to get an inch, a foot, a yard or 5, whatever is needed to move the chains.  I like the pickup and this Pittman will be a big help to both Young and rookie Ryan Torain, who is the same type of runner Pittman was early in his career.

If the Broncos can use Pittman the way he should be used at this stage, keep him fresh, and get him into some space in the passing game, Pittman can be an asset.  Solid move by the Broncos.

2007 Season Notes:  Pittman saw action in 10 games (3 starts) with Tampa Bay, totaling 68 rushes for 286 yards (4.2 avg.) along with 26 receptions for 191 yards (7.3 avg.)... Hauled in a team-high five catches for 62 yards (12.4 avg.) in an NFC Wild Card Playoff Game vs. NYG (1/6)... Missed Games 6-9, 11 and 13 due to an ankle injury, marking his first missed games due to an injury in eight seasons... Started at fullback in the season opener at Sea. (9/9)... Ran for a season-high 90 yards on 15 carries (6.0 avg.) at Car. (9/30)... Caught seven passes for 54 yards at S.F. (12/23) to move into sixth place in Buccaneers history in career receptions with 283 (finished his Tampa Bay career sixth in team annals and third among running backs with 284 catches).


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CECIL SAPP (5-11, 236 / 6th Year)

Cecil Sapp has done just about everything during his tim with the Broncos.  Playing mostly FB and on special teams, Sapp has been on and off the roster, active and inactive since joining the Broncos as an undrafted FA in 2003.  To me, Sapp is the expendable piece of the running back corps, and if Peyton Hillis and Ryan Torain stay healthy and play as well as they have looked thus far, Sapp will most likely be a cap casuality.  Playing on a 1 year deal doesn't help Sapp either. 

Every team in the NFL has guys like Sapp on their team and they provide value as the first guy called when depth at a position becomes a problem.  After 5 seasons as a Bronco, the time has come to upgrade and the Broncos think they have done it.

2007 Season Notes:  Sapp played all 16 games (8 starts) for Denver, rushing 18 times for 59 yards (3.3 avg.) with two scores and catching 14 passes for 51 yards (3.6 avg.) with one touchdown... Three touchdowns were the first of his career and ranked fifth on the team... Was the only Bronco to score on both a rush and a reception... Helped block for an offense that ranked fifth in the NFL in yards per rush (4.6 avg.)... Added six special-teams tackles (4 kickoff, 2 punt) and two kickoff returns for 30 yards (15.0 avg.)... Scored his first career touchdown on a 4-yard run vs. Oak. (9/16) and had a career-long 16-yard reception among two grabs for a personal-best 18 yards... Scored the first receiving touchdown of his career with a 1-yard catch from Jay Cutler on Sunday Night Football vs. Pit. (10/21)... Registered career highs in rushes (7) and rushing yards (28) while posting one rushing touchdown at Chi. (11/25)... Recorded both of his kickoff returns (20 yds.) for the year along with a career-high three catches (4 yds.) at Oak. (12/2).



ANDRE HALL (5-10, 212 / 2nd Year)


It seems we have been waiting forever for Andre Hall to make an impact on the field.  Bad timing and injuries always seem to derail Hall and this could be his last shot at becoming a contributor as a Bronco.  What we have seen from Hall has been promising, both as a return guy and a running back.  In limited action, Hall did average 5 yards a carry and 25 yards a kick return.  Coming in to 2008, Hall has alot of competition for both those jobs.  An injury, or lackluster play could mean the end of Hall's days in Dove Valley.

A lot of fans have been high on Hall.  The time has come for Hall to put up or he could find himself out of a job.

2007 Season Notes:  Hall played 10 games (1 start) for Denver, totaling 216 yards on 44 carries (4.9 avg.) with two touchdowns and two receptions for 69 yards... Recorded a longest rush of 62 yards (touchdown) and a longest reception of 65 yards... Served as the Broncos’ primary kickoff returner with 19 returns for 475 yards (25.0 avg.)... 25.0-yard kickoff return average was the highest by a Bronco for a season among those with at least 19 returns since 2002 (Reuben Droughns, 25.8-yard average on 28 returns)... Ranked third on the Broncos with 760 combined yards (216 rush, 69 rec. and 475 ret.)... Added five tackles on special teams (2 on kickoff coverage and 3 on punt coverage)... Made his pro debut on special teams at Ind. (9/30)... Saw his first career action at running back on Monday Night Football vs. G.B. (10/29), carrying three times for 10 yards... Led the team with 89 rushing yards on seven carries (12.7 avg.), including a 62-yard touchdown that was his first career score, on Monday Night Football vs. Ten. (11/19)... Registered his first NFL start at Chi. (11/25), gaining 98 yards on 26 carries (3.8 avg.) with one touchdown while catching two passes for 69 yards... Suffered an ankle injury early in the game against the Bears but still totaled 167 yards from scrimmage and 181 combined yards (includes a 14-yard kickoff return) for the club’s second-highest such total on the year... Had a 65-yard catch-and-run reception with 48 seconds left in the first half against the Bears, setting up a field goal, and was above the 100-yard rushing mark (107) in the fourth quarter before negative rushes dropped his total... Inactive at Oak. (12/2) due to the ankle injury.



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PEYTON HILLIS (6-1, 250 / Rookie)
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Two rookies will have 100% of my attention when I visit Training Camp later this week and Peyton Hillis is one of them.  Just take a look at the numbers Hillis was able to put up, and this in on a team that included Darren McFadden and Felix Jones at running back.  Hillis still available late in the 7th round was an absolute STEAL!

Hillis is another player the Broncos added to the roster that plays with a bit of a mean streak.  While a knock on Hillis is his ability to block inside, he won't have to do much of that in the Broncos zone-blocking scheme.  He's a perfect fit in the West Coast scheme the Broncos employ, and his ability to run and catch the football should add a dimension to the offense the team hasn't had since Howard Griffith was getting it done in the late 90's.  There is some injury concern in Hillis' past, which likely affected his draft stock, but he appears to healthy and 100% ready to go.

Hillis will have to beat out Cecil Sapp and/or Michael Pittman for the starting FB job, and I think he'll do it.  Even if he doesn't, Hillis will be a solid addition to the coverage teams and will provide alot more value than the average, every day 7th Round pick.  I have been critical of many Broncos' draft picks over the last decade or so, this one could make up for at least some of them.  I am a big fan of Hillis and look forward to watching him on Sundays.

2007 College Notes:  Hillis played 13 games (9 starts) as a senior at Arkansas, rushing 62 times for 347 yards (5.6 avg.) with two touchdowns and leading the Razorbacks in both receptions (49) and receiving yards (537) while adding five receiving scores... 49 catches and 537 receiving yards both marked school single-season records for running backs... Finished with 886 all-purpose yards and blocked for Heisman Trophy runner-up Darren McFadden, who ranked fourth in the nation in rushing (140.8 ypg. / 1,830 yds.)... Also blocked for another 1,000-yard rusher in Felix Jones (1,162 yds.) and helped Arkansas rank fourth in the nation in rushing (286.5 ypg.)... Received the 2007 Paul Eells Award for the Arkansas player who showed outstanding character through adversity.


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RYAN TORAIN (6-1, 225 / Rookie)

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The Broncos hope they got another steal in Torain, who after 2 years as a JUCO running back came into the PAC-10 and took the conference by storm.  Torain is the classic 1-cut runner the Broncos prefer and word out of Camp is that Torain has looked great.

Coming off a serious foot injury that limited Torain to only 6 games in 2007, I would prefer to see the Broncos tread lightly with Torain to avoid any type of setback.  If healthy, Torain could see quite a bit of action for the Broncos with the running back situation in Denver fluid at best.  Torain is a name to keep in mind this season and if healthy could make a huge impact.  Selvin Young needs to keep up the pace, cuz the Torain Train is coming!

2007 College Notes:  Torain averaged 92.2 rushing yards per game as a senior for Arizona State, totaling 553 rushing yards on 110 carries (5.0 avg.) with five touchdowns in six games (6 starts) before missing the final seven contests due to a fractured toe... Also caught seven passes for 100 yards (14.3 avg.) with two touchdowns to total 653 all-purpose yards... Posted at least 90 rushing yards in five of his six games, including three 100-yard efforts... Ran for a season-high 123 yards and had three rushing scores in the season opener vs. San Jose State (9/1).


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ANTHONY ALRIDGE (5-9, 185 / Rookie)
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Perhaps the most intriguing player in Training Camp, Alridge had a huge 2007 season.  Is he a 1-hit wonder or does the udner-sized, ultra fast running back have what it takes to make it in the NFL?  That is the question Alridge and the Broncos are trying to answer at training camp.  To me, you can never have enough pure speed on the football field. 

Alridge certainly is rough around the edges, and will likely be practice squad material in 2008.  Look into the future, howevere, and Alridge could be an asset in the return game later this season or in 2009.  Think about it this way.  Eddie Royal will be the return guy when the season opens.  He's also looking damn good at Wide Receiver.  Should Royal become a intrical part of teh passing game, the Broncos have to protect him, don't they?  Enter Alrdige.  I'm not saying it will happen, but Alridge has been hearing his whole career he wasn't going to do it.  Who am I to keep a man down?

College Notes:  Twice received second-team All-Conference USA honors (2006-07) at Houston and was a Doak Walker Award (nation’s best running back) semifinalist in 2007.... Finished his career at Houston ranked sixth in school history with 2,595 rushing yards on 363 carries for a 7.1-yard rushing average in 39 career games... Also caught 74 career passes for 997 yards (13.5 avg.) with nine touchdowns and returned 38 kickoffs for 846 yards (22.3 avg.)... Totaled the fourth-most career all-purpose yards (4,438) in Houston history, averaging a school-record 9.4 yards per play... Posted the second-highest single-season rushing total in Houston annals (1,597 yds., 6.2 avg., 14 TDs) along with 42 receptions (428 yds., 5 TDs) as a senior... Averaged 10.1 yards per rush (95-959) as a junior, leading the nation in that category and posting the highest single-season average (min. 75 att.) in the NCAA since 1945 (Army's Glenn Davis, 11.5 avg., 82-944)...

 

Running back has always been an important part of the Shanahan/Broncos offense.  While the National media likes to say the Broncos can plug anyone in the backfield and get 1000 yards, the truth is 1000 yards isn't good enough.  With this offense, and this O-line, the Broncos need to 1500 yards.  The group is young, with 3 rookies and 2-2nd year players among the 7 but it is also talented.  Selvin Young has talked the talk all winter.  Now in camp, it's time for him to walk the walk.  If he does, the Broncos will be successfull.  If not?  Well.....

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What Grade Would You Give The Broncos Running Back Situation?
A
79 votes
B
230 votes
C
132 votes
D
13 votes
F
6 votes

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Selvin Young......

He is either going to bust out or just bust. Let’s all hope and pray he busts out!!!!

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by Zappa on Jul 28, 2008 12:21 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great story btw....love these articles!

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by Zappa on Jul 28, 2008 12:22 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't worry...

...Selvin Young is going to tear it up. And if he is having trouble getting through, just bring in Pittman and ram it down their throats to loosen ‘em up.

Go Broncos!!

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by sirsam on Jul 28, 2008 1:27 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guru's position by position breakdowns...

...are what I look forward to. They are responsible for bringing in a lot of new readers each year, and they are simply the best breakdowns money can buy. And they’re free too!

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by hoosierteacher on Jul 28, 2008 1:46 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

As a person who can only see the actual games, I am learning so much from this site – and I thoroughly enjoy it.

Regarding the running game, I think our O-line is going to have a decent year, wich should put us back in the top 5 in regards to rushing. I think Young will be just fine.

by Jeeeeens on Jul 28, 2008 1:56 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Torain needs to hang on to the ball.....

they don’t need a player like Curtis Alexander from Michigan who lost everything he touched.

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by mdierk on Jul 28, 2008 12:27 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

an "A"?!?! seriously?

great post as always, Guru. obviously, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but i’m puzzled that some would give the Broncos’ running back depth chart an “A” – there is not a single bona fide star. could one emerge? of course…but that has not yet happened. i’d love to know how those same folks would grade the Chargers, Vikings, Eagles and Steelers rate…they don’t currently deserve to be down at our level.

here’s to running the rock as it’s meant to be run once again!

by nycbroncosfan on Jul 28, 2008 12:43 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted an optimistic B

which is probably the ceiling of where we start the season. Given the unknowns on the roster a C is totally fair.

If Selvin lives up to his own expectations, and/or Torain dominates, we may just have to upgrade the unit to an A later in the season.

by jonahsilas on Jul 28, 2008 12:47 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Full Disclosure...

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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on Jul 28, 2008 12:47 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so did i...

a C is what they currently deserve…i am hoping just like everyone else that this year’s crop turns into an “A” but they’ve gotta prove it first. the feeling that we can run the ball 4 or 5 yards on first down every single time no matter what is HUGE. it was there during the TD days…not as much during the Portis days but those 2 years, every touch felt like it could be a 50 yarder…

and just as importantly, we need to know that at 1st and Goal-to-go from the 5 yd line…that we’re going to score. EVERY TIME.

by nycbroncosfan on Jul 29, 2008 8:55 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know

I voted A. Having a bonafide superstar doesnt mean JACK! Have depth and a consistent running game does. Name a “superstar” RB for the Broncos since TD retired? YET the Broncos are always in the top 10 in rushing offense. There are 3 things you can count on in life, Death, taxes and a top 10 Bronco rushing offense

by broncfanstuckinsd on Jul 28, 2008 12:58 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted A...

...and totally agree! ;)

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by sirsam on Jul 28, 2008 1:28 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holy crap, you got a new avatar...

...and, somehow, I don’t really miss the old one! I agree with your views, but voted B. Or C. I can’t remember. Actually, I have nothing more to add in this comment. That first sentence was pretty much the point of all this.

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by papigrande on Jul 28, 2008 3:12 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Her name

Is Krystal Forscutt, and she is an Aussie. I cant decide who I like better. Krystal or Jarah. Such choices

by broncfanstuckinsd on Jul 28, 2008 4:25 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the name Portis ring a bell?

he was a superstar for the Broncos. no doubt. 5 yards every time. touchdown threat every carry. come on, now. how can you call our running game consistent? we were 7-9 last year and BARELY cracked the top 10. the Denver Broncos’ proud tradition of the last 14 years under Shanahan is not top 10 running. it’s top 3 or 5 running. top 10 doesn’t do us any good, as evidenced by the 16-16 record of the past 2 seasons. if you can honestly say that having someone like Adrian Peterson or LT doesn’t mean jack, then i guess there’s nothing i can say to you…i’m glad you have so much confidence in our guys.

we’re all Broncos fans here, so obviously our hopes are high. but you cannot tell me you felt good about their rushing attack coming into every game over the last couple years. used to be we KNEW that we could run the rock, every single game. as of this moment, we have a bunch of no-names and haven’t-done-it-yets at RB. that’s not to say they won’t succeed, nor that someone won’t emerge as a star. i hope that happens…but until it does, how can we assume the running game will be where it’s supposed to be?

by nycbroncosfan on Jul 29, 2008 8:51 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I despised the

Dayne—T.Bell combo from a few years back. I thought it was a betrayal of Broncos football.

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by styg50 on Jul 29, 2008 11:29 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree, styg

but remember…it was Mike Anderson, then Bell and just a sprinkling of Dayne. Dayne only had 53 carries.

you’re right, the committee approach isn’t what we’ve been spoiled by. and it certainly wasn’t ideal. i just hope we’re not in for more of that this year. i want to see the same guy behind Cutler for almost every snap, everyone in the building knowing he’s getting the ball and they can’t stop him anyway…oh well, those were the days.

by nycbroncosfan on Jul 29, 2008 1:33 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dont consider him a superstar

never have and never will. He has 2 really good seasons for the Broncos and has never been over 4.3 ypc since then. While the Broncos can plug in any RB and still finish in the top 10 in rushing. Like I said a “name” RB doesnt make or break rushing offense. I have watched this league for a long time. If I remember correctly in the past 3 seasons has LT been considered the best. AP has played ONE season so doing go appointing him the next Walter Payton.
How can you not assume based on recent history the running game isnt gonna be where it has been under Shanny. With a beat up OL and a an undrafted RB this team ran for just under 2000 yards on 4.6 ypc. Think about that without a household name carrying the ball the majority of the time

by broncfanstuckinsd on Jul 29, 2008 11:42 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously?

if Portis’ 3,099 yds, 5.5 YPC and 29 TD’s as a Bronco didn’t make him a superstar in your book, then who is? it doesn’t matter what his YPC has been since…that is an indictment of how he’s been used in DC. he’s had 1200+ yards in all 3 of his full seasons there…which we certainly have missed the last few years. what did you have against him when he was wearing blue and orange? i don’t get it…

but you’re missing my point. i’m not satisfied with them being top 10…the success of the Broncos’ offense is predicated upon it being a top 5 attack, not top 10. 2,000 yards as a team is not good enough, and it will NOT get this team to the playoffs. my point is that the running game hasn’t been where it’s “historically been” for 2 years now. i don’t want to see this running attack be “where it has been.” i want it to be where it USED to be…at the top!

by nycbroncosfan on Jul 29, 2008 1:29 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 10 is great

Like you I would love to be rqanked #1, but with all the injuries the past few seasons I was content with a top 10 finish. Not estatic, but content..

To me Portis had 2 great seasons to me, if he stays definte superstar, but to me it takes a more than what he accomplished in Denver. Dont get me wrong I like him and thought he was in the Holmes, LT, Edge class back in those season. I guess on CP we will agree to disagree

by broncfanstuckinsd on Jul 31, 2008 11:52 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't agree with an A, but..

...consider that so many of the guys on the depth chart average over 5 ypc. Not bad.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Jul 28, 2008 1:49 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5ypc

is good by any standard, and you have to ask yourself what an upgrade would look like…..

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Jul 28, 2008 7:18 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5 ypc would be great, but...

first of all, only Young topped that number last season. Hall was close, but he only had 44 carries. that is insignificant. the more important numbers are…

as a team, the Broncos only averaged 4.6 YPC. while this is a very good number, it is tempered by the team’s per-game rushing average of only 122.3 – while that is pretty good by NFL standards, that is not something for a Broncos fan to hang his hat on. the standard is quite a bit higher here…but i’m not just being a Broncos Rushing Snob here. Shanahan’s offense requires a much higher number to succeed…just look at the results. YPC is only really notable when it is sustained over enough carries. the number that jumps out at me is this…THE BRONCOS RAN THE BALL THE 18TH MOST TIMES IN THE NFL LAST YEAR. in other words, 17 teams had more handoffs than the Broncos did last year. apologies for the caps, but that is quite significant. it doesn’t matter what your YPC is if you don’t actually run the ball enough, right? how else will you eat up the clock, rest your defense and create short yardage situations for your offense?

i don’t think i’m romanticizing here…just glancing at the 2005 numbers (without a star RB) this is what the Broncos did…

2nd in rushing attempts
2nd in rushing yards
158.7 YPG
3rd in rushing TD’s
13-3 record

in 2007…

18th in rushing attempts
9th in rushing yards
122.3 YPG
20th in rushing TD’s
7-9 record

doesn’t that say everything?

Respectfully,
Doug

by nycbroncosfan on Jul 29, 2008 9:14 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your statement is

an eloquent demonstration of our offensive efficacy, as a whole, while also giving props to a defense that gets the ball back for the offense.

But in a discussion of the RBs, I don’t think attempts matter unless you are talking about, say, Selvin not getting more than 15 carries per game or something like that. Having said that, I agree 100% with your running game “snobbery”: less than 5ypc simply doesn’t impress a broncos’ fan, and I personally wouldn’t hang my own hat on anything less than top 5 in the NFL. That is a pretty darn high standard when you think about it, and realistically, there will come a time when we don’t expect it on such a routine basis (hoping for it, of course, will never go out of style).

Lastly, regarding the attempts stats you give from above, to single out the RBs I think you would need to show that we were among the tops in the league in offensive play attempts, and that we were still low on rushing attempts. What you have shown is an overall indictment of the team, and I would prescribe it more to the offensive line and QB problems from last year (cutler’s turnovers were the end of more than one effective drive). In fact, I would even go so far as to say that the 2007 numbers give props to a homerun hitting backfield, since we were top ten(9th) in production (sans the red zone TDs, something that still hurts to think about), yet below average in opportunities(18th).

That reads to me like a story where the RBs are getting it done, with limited reps and from disadvantaged positions. And I apologize, because I have lost track of what it is we are trying to figure out here. :)

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Jul 29, 2008 11:47 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Defense didn't help

Since the defense couldn’t get off the field, it didn’t leave much time for the offense to actually spend pounding the ball so they had to throw more to get the most out of their limited touches.

With an improved (hopefully) defense against the run, we should see our rushing attempts increase to the level that we are accustomed.

"It's all over Fat Man"

- Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

by DesertBroncoFan on Jul 29, 2008 12:51 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just check out...

my breakdown of the offensive line. I speak of this specifically. Plus, it is hard to run the ball when you’re losing, which gets to Styg’s point of the total being an indictment of the team…

-TSG

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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on Jul 29, 2008 12:24 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cecil Sapp

I wouldn’t feel comfortable just entering the season with Hillis as the starter and really the only person with any experience at the FB position (besides Sapp) on the roster. I think Hillis was a great pick-up but could still use some time to learn, and Sapp isn’t the best but has been solid. But again that leaves me to find someone else not to make the team, and im not sure i would want that to be Hall or Aldridge either….

by GreasyQtip on Jul 28, 2008 1:14 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe...

...the Broncos are in a position where they are going to have to make some choices that are uncomfortable. At this point, Cecil has pretty much shown what he is which is a versatile and hard-working player that will scrap for every inch. At the same time, he’s shown that he is a middle of the road NFL talent that would remain a solid special teams player but always be a target for an upgrade. Hillis clearly has a greater upside than Sapp does and as the Broncos build a team around Cutler to make Superbowl runs over the next five seasons they’ll need to develop him. With a versatile Pittman being brought in I think Sapp is probably done as a Bronco unless he has a spectacular camp. It’s a matter of upside for the entire running back group.

My best guess for the final group:
Selvin Young-RB
Ryan Torrain-RB
Andre Hall-RB
Michael PIttman-RB/FB
Peyton Hillis-FB

Anthony Alridge will head for the practice squad with a good chance of being moved to the roster if an injury happens.

Cecil goes away but is on the speed-dial, though I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else signed him before the season. I love Cecil but he’s in the toughest situation of his career for making the roster.

by jaffe28 on Jul 28, 2008 2:29 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the Broncos keep 6 RB's

At least for the first few weeks of the season. The positions a 6th RB would draw from are WR or LB.

I think Selvin’s going to have a break out year. He’s still very fast, but bigger, and conditioned to play more than 10 games, unlike last year. I keep hearing that he has progressed mentally and ‘sees it before it happens’ (Aldridge interview on CBS yesterday).

I fully expect Selvin to rush for more than 1200 yards. If the O-Line stays healthy, maybe 1500 +. I think he looks great so far in camp and he is super positive.

If Denver goes w/ 5 backs either Sapp or Pittman will be the odd man out, but I don’t think Denver is real comfortable only going w/ 5 backs for now. The good news is that they can keep lass guys at LB b/c Webster can play all of the spots and the RB’s that would be backusps can play ST (Hillis, Pittman, Torain, Sapp).

I’m interested to see whre Hall fits in, but he has too much upside to release I would think.

Torain will get plenty of reps, but I’s say 3rd & short or redzone mostly.

Pittman would be in as a FB every now and then or TB on 3rd and long.

by super7 on Jul 28, 2008 3:17 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am going out on a limb here

and I really don’t want to upset the guys who are rooting for Hall, but I think Hall is going to have a hard time making this roster.

Young-RB
Pittman-changeup/power
Torain—Relief

Sapp-FB
Hillis-relief FB

...and that’s it. Alridge has a shot at the PS, but I think Hall may get his heart broken in this training camp, because I don’t doubt he is going to work his tail off. What worries me more than anything is that I don’t think he has the durability to hang in there long term, and if he shows that lack of durability at all during training camp, I think his days will be numbered…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Jul 28, 2008 7:22 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Hall

That’s the impression I get. The knock on Hall isn’t his running ability. He looks quite good at times, but the question is can they rely on him to stay healthy and not fumble the ball. And, just as important, is he going to be a consistent contributer that they can count on for a particular contribution to the team when he’s called upon. Although Special Teams are important, and Hall has performed admirably there, it’s his ability to contribute at RB that’s critical in this case.

I don’t have a big problem with Hall. In fact, I had him on my first ‘mock roster.’ He fits into the RB rotation as a replacement for Young as a general purpose/speed back like Young. Therein lies the rub - if he’s going to be a “spell” or “rotational” back then they really need to know that they can count on him for a specific contribution to the team. To use a contrast for illustration - what’s good about Pittman is his reliability. Sure, he does bring certain strengths like power running, pass catching or blocking, but one of his strengths appears to be his consistency, and this is part of his appeal to the coaching staff.

That leaves me with only 5 backs: RB: #1-Young, #2-Torain, #3-Pittman, #4-Alridge; FB: #1-Hillis, (Pittman also as backup). I’m not settled on this, even though I trust the logic. Hall may still win out over Alridge, and I’d be surprised if Alridge is actually a better RB at this point since he clearly needs some development. The question for both of them is whether they can be counted on to provide a consistent contribution, and I think both of them come up short. Hall has the edge for now in a 5-back rotation and both may make a 6-back rotation (which leaves out Sapp). Hall’s trial with the Broncos may coming to an end while Alridge’s is just beginning. Both will spend time on waivers this year as the team moves players in and out of the 53-man roster & active/inactive list to address injury and depth problems.

by Colinski on Jul 28, 2008 10:32 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would be really surprised...

I just can’t see why Denver keeps Sapp, Hillis, and Pittman on the roster over Hall. We don’t need a backup fullback, starting fullback, and a hybrid HB/FB over a guy who is an obvious backup tailback. You may be right, but with Young having the injury bug, you HAVE to keep a backup tailback on the roster, and I think that guy’s Hall. I agree that Hall doesn’t have the steadiest roster spot, but with Torian being a rookie, I can’t imagine we’re going to go all in on a rookie as Young’s insurance policy.

I’m not completely sold on Pittman yet as a backup TB either, I think he’ll be a very good long yardage tailback and a backup Fullback, but I can’t see Denver putting him on the field all of the time.

Starters will be:
TB: Young
FB: Sapp (although Sapp will have a tenuous hold on this spot, if Hillis really picks up the offense, I could see him winning the job)

Short Yardage:
TB: Torian
FB: Sapp/Hillis

Long Yardage:
TB: Young or Pittman

The stable (backups):
TB: Hall
FB: Hillis (Sapp if Hillis wins the spot, both will play ST though)
Utility: Pittman

I’ll be interested to see what position Denver keeps more players than planned at and what position they keep less than planned at…

by super7 on Jul 29, 2008 10:37 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I might think of Pittman as more of a short yardage guy.

Granted, he has great hands, and some folks (not I) see him as a potential H-Back. But I think he is more of a power runner. Not that he woouldn’t break some long runs (particularly when the defense gets worn down), but I think his strength on the field is powering ahead after his cut, not accelerating out of it. It’s open to debate of course, and I’m not an expert on Pittman. That’s just the impression that I get.

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by hoosierteacher on Jul 29, 2008 2:32 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to agree

I thought it was a typo when I first read that Pittman should be used on long yardage when it seems that as a power back, we would want him in on short yardage.

Since his name keeps getting thrown around as a possible Fullback, that sounds more like a power runner for short yardage to me.

"It's all over Fat Man"

- Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

by DesertBroncoFan on Jul 30, 2008 9:06 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good analysis again . . .

Selvin has looked special to me from the start. He said in his last interview that he has worked hard on recovery and muscle “burn,” i.e., extending his limits of endurance on the field. It is really obvious he has also bulked up . . . have you noticed his guns??

He has the ability to turn a four-yarder into a forty-yarder. If he can stay healthy, we are in for a treat this year.

Never pass up the opportunity to keep your mouth shut. - my daddy

by AZDynamics on Jul 28, 2008 10:56 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we will be better

than last year, however that all depends on the o-line. We’ll have some for those hard yards (Pittman or Torian), the homerun hitter (Young), and hopefully someone will step up and show they can be the main guy. The one thing that sticks out most in my mind on the stats of past RBs is the fact that we only had two RBs get 10+ TDs. That is something that needs to change.

by weazel on Jul 29, 2008 10:26 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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