Live Bloggin From Broncos Training Camp - 8/1 AM Notes and Photos

Another glorious Colorado morning welcomed all of us to this morning's workout and let me tell ya, it was HOT! I mean, HOT, HOT! Yesterday was pretty tolerable because there really isn't any humidity. In Cleveland, when it gets to 90 or so the weather is almost intolerable becuase of the humidity. Today feels a bit juicier and I could feel it. If I could, the players could as well.
I took into account all your requests. I tried to focus on the O-Line and D-Line, but it gets difficult for 2 reasons. From the media vantage point, which is from the End Zone to the 20 yard line on either end of the field, it is hard to see the one-on-one battles. Even more difficult is the practice setup. While the players are in helmets and pads, it can't really be considered a "full contact" practice, especially on the interior.
I'm afraid to get a true indication of what is going on in the trenches we'll need to pay close attention to the pre-season games. Some things do stand-out, however, and I will tell you what I saw.
Here are my observations, once again in no particular order --
Early in the workout, each of the units break up into small groups, O-Line in a group, D-Line in a group, etc. I watched the QBs and WRs for a couple minutes, just to see if my opinion of Patrick Ramsey was off base. I mean, no rush, just pitch and catch from the QB to RB/WR. Cutler throws to the left, Ramsey to the right, occasionally at the same time. Let me tell ya, there is no comparison between Cutler and Ramsey in regards to velocity, or just the look of the pass. Cutler's spiral is tight and the ball gets from A-B with a purpose. Ramsey's throws seem to flutter a bit, and don't arrive with anything close to the same velocity. The ball "struggles" through the air, if you catch my drift. I want to lay-off Ramsey, but I just can't.
Nalen watches from the sidelines
Tom Nalen is still sitting out practices and looks like he is in alot of discomfort. The Wiegmann signing looks like a great move. While I feel Nalen could miss all of Training Camp and still be ultra-productive, he just doesn't look healthy to me. I still haven't heard the results of the MRI, but you wonder how many times Nalen can come back.
Nate Webster was lining up as the starting MLB today, which has been the norm through camp, Niko one day, Nate the next. One the down side, Webster still tends to over-pursue and gets fooled by misdirection. On the plus side, he looks as healthy as ever and his athleticism is allowing for him to make up ground. From what I have seen live he has looked better in the starting spot right now.
Boss Bailey left the workout early with what looked to be a tweaked knee. Jamie Winborn filled in the rest of the practice on the strong side. Perhaps it was because Boss was absent that the linebacking group as a whole did not seem as quick and decisive. Defense is all about trust, especially in the man next to you. I didn't see that today.
Selvin Young Coming Right At Ya!
On several occasions Selvin Young looked like a more confident running back. He seems to be seeing the field better and he is quick and decisive on his cuts. He is the clear starter at HB in my opinion, and not because of anything the other guys are doing wrong, he has just been that good.
Speaking of Young, he also looks alot more comfortable catching the ball out of the backfield. The team seems to be spending alot of time on this as well and I expect to see that continue into the pre-season.
Alot of you asked to focus specifically on the O-Line V. D-Line battles. I talked earlier about how making a real judgment when the players aren't going at it 100% is futile, but a general feeling I got was out Offensive Line is dominating our Defensive Line, as a group. What we need to decide is this - is our O-Line that good or our D-Line that bad? Probably a bit of both.
Eddie Royal has great hands. I mean, the guy never drops a pss or punt. He just has that something about him that says to me he's going to be a player. That's all fine and good, except the vets really don't care --
Royal carries Brandon Stokley's hardware.
I talked about Ramsey on during warm ups, and it didn't get any better as practice went on. The only thing Royal didn't catch was an errant pass from Patrick Ramsey. Ramsey also missed a wide-open Clifford Russell. Ugh.
Let me just put my thoughts towards #15 to you this way - Brandon Marshall is a man among boys. He made several nice catches throughout the morning and a great jumping grab in double-coverage against Champ and McCree. It just doesn't seem like he is in the same League with any of these guys. If he gets his hands on a pass, he catches it. There is no doubting the health of his arm, one of my personal "ifs" heading into the season.
Cutler's day was solid for the most part. You can tell the coaches are working with him in regards to maintaining an internal clock. Get to 4 seconds and throw the ball away. One area Cutler still needs to work is on his touch in the short passing game. He still throws the ball way too hard at times. That comes in time, however, and I'm not the least bit worried.
Speaking of Cutler's hard throws, each one makes a definitive "THWACK" sounds as it crushes the sternum of his receivers. I have a strange feeling if I had come to Training Camp 20 years ago a similar sound would have echoed throughout the complex.
This morning's "toast" came courtesy of a Jay Cutler pump fake and TD Pass to Clifford Russell, leaving CB Christian Morton looking for his private parts. The fake was perfect, the throw even better.
Ryan Torain looked strong again, but he did have a fumble during 11 X 11 work. Luckily for him, he recovered.
Perhaps it was the heat, but the play seemed to get sloppier and sloppier as time went on. A week in without a real day off the guys are probably sore, tired, and the heat is unbearable. I give them a pass for today, but there was little doubt that Coach was less than pleased at times with the effort.
I said it earlier, but in my opinion Nate Webster is winning the battle for starting MLB.
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Great report.
Nice photo of Eddie Royal doing what a rookie should be doing. ;-)
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by Russ Oates on Aug 1, 2008 12:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
...I just watched Shanahan’s address to the media and he did not seem happy at all today. He tone and body language oozed of frustration.
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by sirsam on Aug 1, 2008 12:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great report Guru!
I have begun to think that Ramsey is going to get cut at the end of camp. I haven’t read a single report of him having any good days of practice yet, maybe we’ll see something better from him in the preseason.
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by Darin H on Aug 1, 2008 12:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
...I think he’s going to be gone.
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by sirsam on Aug 1, 2008 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the youth movement
this would make sense to me. At least see what Hackney’s about. In a worst-case-scenario with Cutler out, you at least see what you’ve got in a long term backup…
by jonahsilas on Aug 1, 2008 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really comfortable with either.
Hackney seems to have superior talent to Ramsey, but he’s never seen game experience. Of course, hopefully neither are even needed.
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by papigrande on Aug 1, 2008 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't Hackney
get into trouble for something kinda serious ( or am I completely wrong-which is highly possible—but I thought he may have gotten a DUI or something ) and if so does he face suspension ?
by okiebroncosfan on Aug 1, 2008 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
he had a DUI last year I believe… Not sure what he faces as a first time offender, probably a short suspension.
Mybe he serves a suspension while Ramsey backs up Cutler, and then ascneds to backup if/when the coaching staff is ready.
by jonahsilas on Aug 1, 2008 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Guru . . .
Looks as if maybe we can add Selvin and Fast Eddie to BMarsh in the list of playmakers?
I hope Boss’ knee isn’t serious. After our need for a MASH unit last year, I’m getting a bit paranoid.
If Ramsey stays, then Cutler had better stay healthy. It looks as if Cutler goes down, the Broncos are toast.
BTW, watch Hamza, too, will you? I want to see whether he has the range they say he has.
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by AZDynamics on Aug 1, 2008 12:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
Did you manage to catch any OL vs DL one-on-one drills? Those are in favor of the DL a bit, but still much easier to watch I think.
Is Colbert going to make this team? Waht about Parker? I have a feeling that neither one will. We might start the year with 6 RB/FB (like we did last year) and 5 WR. Aldridge seems to be more exciting than anyone at the #6 WR spot.
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by amirebram on Aug 1, 2008 12:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No 1-1 drills...
They are either separate or in team drills…..With the lack of true contact, it makes it tough to make a true evaluation….
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by John Bena on Aug 1, 2008 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries
Did either Boss’ or Hamza’s injuries look serious to you? Did they leave the field on their own? Can you elaborate?
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on Aug 1, 2008 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just got through reading about them . . .
Boss had a little infamation in his knee, and Hamza had a slight pull in his groin, according to what I read.
Hamza’s isn’t serious. I’m worried about Boss . . . hope that isn’t recurring from his old injury.
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by AZDynamics on Aug 1, 2008 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither...
was anything to speak of….Tweaks. Neither was visibly limping or favoring as they walked off the field.
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by John Bena on Aug 1, 2008 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh thank Guru
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on Aug 1, 2008 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On ESPN radio
last night , I heard an interview with Gary Miller, and he stated that Eddie Royal is kicking butt and taking names so far. He says he would not be surprised to see Royal play a signifcant part of the offense this season. He is the burner Denver has needed according to Miller. I hope that is true. But my position is I will wait until I see him in the preseason before I gush over him. Denver has been burned by too many rookie WR’s before
by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 1, 2008 1:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no doubt...
Royal has the ability. I am like you, what will he do when the lights go on. That’s what I want to see…
That said, he has been a star so far in camp….
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by John Bena on Aug 1, 2008 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it would
make the Broncos offense that much more potenet if they can stretch the field. Man, that would be so great. That could elimanate teams playing 8 in the box, fear of the long ball and such
by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 1, 2008 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he steps up come Sunday
and Marshall’s arm turns out to be fine then those guys will play off each other really well.
Totally agree with you on Marshall being on another level. I said something like that to myself when watching him last year.
Two big “ifs” so we’ll see.
by weazel on Aug 1, 2008 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGAIN I'M JEALOUS
Wish I was there today! We could go grab a COORS and talk moore football. Anyway, thax 4 the report.
by metalman5050 on Aug 1, 2008 1:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring on the PS Games
As Mike says, he uses pre-season games for a true evaluation of a lot of positions. So I am anxious for the games to get started, and I will be looking at the following:
If Alridge performs in games like he has in TC, then who at RB is on the bubble? Pittman or Hall?
If Royal performs in games like he has in TC, then who at WR is going to get cut? I say it will probably Parker.
If this Pierce fellow at TE performs in games like TC, then the Mustard could be cut! lol!
I am wondering about Cutler’s development. It is hard to see from short video clips, but is seems he is staring down the receivers he eventually throws to. Hopefully they are working with him on using his eyes to move the defense. Do you see anything related to that guru?
Thanks.
by The Gun Young on Aug 1, 2008 1:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no doubt...
That Cutler is consciously working on looking one way, then going the other. It is very obvious because it is so pronounced.
And like you said, the pre-season games carry alot of meaning this year, especially with the reduced roster sizes. Teams just can’t risk going 100% full contact. Combine that with the heat and it is hard to get a gauge on what is real “talent” and what is being over-glorified by the players letting up on each other.
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by John Bena on Aug 1, 2008 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
One last thing on Cutler....
One thing I have noticed….Even when he does stare down a receiver, he is putting the ball through a key-hole…Extremely accurate and with ALOT of velocity….That is the biggest difference between 2007 Jay Cutler and 2008 Jay Cutler.
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by John Bena on Aug 1, 2008 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that
seem like he has total confidence in his arm? That does remind me of a young Elway. Sometime he would lock onto a WR and drill it and the ball would be there so fast the DB couldnt react. To me thats a double edged sword. But one I will gladly take
by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 1, 2008 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love that Cutler is doing well. How is our other Vandy player doing? Jamie Winborn?
You said he came in for Boss. Is Jamie looking good?
Thanks from Vandy!
by cutlerfan on Aug 1, 2008 2:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the report, Guru...
I like hearing about Cutler’s pump fake. It has always seemed to me that a good pump fake is a hugely effective weapon in a pro-bowl QB’s arsenal, especially when playing against playmaking DBs (i.e. Antonio Cromartie). When Champ gets hung out, it’s usually the result of a good fake. I’d love to see Cutler develop the ability to both look guys off and throw in a pump fake more often. With his velocity, the defense has to respect that.
by Broncs Cheer on Aug 1, 2008 3:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Kory Lichtenstiegerschlacktenlagerton.
I haven’t seen his name on anyones blog anywhere, and with all this talk about Nalen maybe being unable to return 100%, i have lots of questions regarding this Center we drafted who as far as i know isn’t even in camp…
Please help!
by GreasyQtip on Aug 1, 2008 3:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Line Play...
is hard to judge. Because of heat and roster limitations, teams just aren’t going 100% during training camp anymore…
Pre-Season games are going to be my first chance to make a firm evaluation…
-TSG
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by John Bena on Aug 1, 2008 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On another thread
I inquired about K Lich as well. The consensus seemed to be that he is looking rather confused and has not really picked up the whole scheme of the offense yet. He has the tools, but is beat by the defense consistently and is therefore deep in the depth chart. I am thinking practice squad and much hope for 09.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson
by firstfan on Aug 1, 2008 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice report Guru
Very pleased to see Cutler is getting back into form. I figured that would be the case now that he is back to his normal weight and more energy to get that zip on his throws.
I like what I am hearing about Royal…....good hands. I think if he plays well on the field as in practice I am going to enjoy watching him play.
Good things so far and I am glad two of the preseason game are live on NFL Network which will give me plenty of time to see what we have.
by weazel on Aug 1, 2008 10:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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