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Horse Tracks 8/12/08

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Here's a Tuesday edition of Horse Tracks.  Enjoy!

 Some Broncos were held out of Monday's practice.  See here and here

 Jim Armstrong states the obvious:  Jay Cutler is key to Broncos' playoff hopes.  See here

 The "Boss" will be out for at least two weeks.  See here

 After some scary moments for Louis Green, he hopes to be back on the field soon.  See here

 Good thing the Broncos got the first game out if the way.  Much work is needed to be done.  See here

 There is some good news today.  Montrae Holland rejoined his team for practice.  See here

 Two Broncos are making an impact in camp.  See here

 Denver welcomes the Cowboys this week.  Hope the result is better than last year.  See here

 Mike Klis had some items in his mailbag.  See here

 Wesley Woodyard is getting everyone's attention.  See here

 Former Bronco Jeff Shoate signed with New England.  See here

AFC West

American Football Conference logo. Looks like Greg Wesley just escaped the conquered fader nation and Adam Archuleta joined them.  See here

American Football Conference logo. Gunther Cunningham is looking for defensive toughness out of his Chefs.  See here

American Football Conference logo. Phyllis and his merry men have a MLB that is impressing everyone.  See here

That is all I have.  Have a great day!

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Jim Amrstrong

Is such an astute writer. How did the Post EVER get someone so smart?

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 12, 2008 12:02 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

You have got to be kidding me....
They tend to be more skilled writers and emphatic with the truth. We call them columnists. In Woody Paige and Mark Kiszla, The Denver Post has the best sports-columnist duo in the country.
Klis…

Apparently, he doesn’t read Woody or Mark’s mailbag.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 12, 2008 12:07 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I cant read them anymore

The infuriate me. If their isnt anything bad to say about the Broncos it isnt said

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 12, 2008 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Instead of "truth"

Klis may have been more accurate by stating that these “columnists” were more emphatic about wording their opinions. I will say this, both Woody and Kiszla bring something to the table that a sports reporter focusing on beat work wouldn’t have the time or inclination (see ‘raise’) to pursue. Woody brings a great sense of Broncos history with him. When he is negative, it tends to be because he likes the Broncos and Denver TOO much, and he seems to be lashing out in a moment of existential crisis. My problem with Woody is that for his supposed mastery of the language, he devolves into the esoteric and ungrammatical far too often, and without provocation. Any writer of any stripe should have CLARITY as his first and chief concern. Woody indulges in his celebrity too much, and his writing suffers because of it.

Kiszla tends to bring a wider viewpoint to the Broncos than pure Broncomania. He was one of the main voices that spoke out about the error of publicly-funding the Broncos’ new stadium, and the fact that he was essentially ignored by those who mattered seems to have him steamed to this day. My problem with Kiszla is the consistency with which he beats the anti-Shanahan drum. I cannot figure out where all the hatred comes from on his end and can only guess that Shanny got personal with him or something. But Kiszla is an excellent writer, with proper structure and grammar and the ability to choose a theme and stick to it and deliver it in a clear, unwavering voice. The result is intense agreement and disagreement with what he says.

That being said, I don’t read either one since, but I read all of Mike Klis’ articles. I guess I’m just looking for the facts to go with watching the game. MHR sates my need for a deeper “understanding” of both the game and context involved. Denver politics (Kiszla) and priveleged ranting (Paige) don’t appeal to me in my position. Locals might feel differently about it though.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2008 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Do you know when you delve into sarcasm or does it just come naturally to you? :)

This comment goes into my Top 10 of the year list.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 12, 2008 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I starting hating Woody

when he decided to send a bunch of under-age kids to buy beer from the in-stands vendors to see if they could. Turns out they could, so all beer was now going to be sold in the concourse only so that it would be easier to validate id’s.

Basically, Woody got off free and the kids were busted for under-age drinking and the rest of us couldn’t get beer in the stands anymore. What a d-bag!

"It's all over Fat Man"

- Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

by DesertBroncoFan on Aug 12, 2008 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

what a low life thing to do. No wonder reporters rank third on my list of scumbag professions...

right behind Bankers and Politicians.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 12, 2008 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lawyers recently fell to fourth...thank you sub prime bankers like Angelo Mozillo!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 12, 2008 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

what about the idiots that knew they could not AFFORD those loans. Why do these brilliant morons get off scott free?

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 12, 2008 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, they lied but it is the responsibility of the greedy bankers

to verify income and such. Which they are doing now, but not before screwing over the American taxpayer. I think we both know who is going to pay for this banking debacle. It is already plainly evident. Which is why the poor dumb bastard who let the bank foreclose on him isn’t the blame even if he lied, it is the fault of the dumb greedy bankers and realtors who wrote the bad loans willingly because they all wanted their percentage. The bankers then packaged these known bad loans into derivitives and other shady financials and sold them to dumb ass foreigners who are now pissed off for basically being robbed by Wall Street. So now the Fed and Government steps in and bails everyone out at taxpayer expense. And reporters make it third for being de facto government propaganists by making sure the lies are reported as fact. It’s the same in the NFL as it is in the rest of the media. lol

Do you understand now why I have Bankers, Politicians, Media, then lawyers? The lawyers are falling on my list because they are helping the average schmoe’s stick it to the greedy banks and corrupt politicians by helping them walk away. Lie or not, it was and always has been the responsibility of the banks to verify income and ability to pay….greed got in the way of ethics. I am only angry because us taxpayers get screwed…I rented all through the housing “boom” cause I knew this was coming, but now I get punished for it anyway.

You touch a sensitive subject for me. lmao I’ve learned a lot about banking and its effects on the global financial system in the past couple of years. Oh and one more thing, you are touting the media line about “Who is to blame”...you will rarely hear them blaming those truly responsible for this mess. Alan Greedspan(accidental typo that I think I will keep now lol!!) and the Federal Reserve, along with the huge Wall Street banks.

Our Congress also signed in that new “Bailout” for Fannie and Freddie that the media says will cost taxpayers a laughable $25 billion. They don’t mention nearly enough that they also raised our equally laughable debt ceiling by another $800 billion and gave our Treasury Secretary(and former CEO of Goldman Sach’s bank) Harry Paulson a temporary blank check from now until the end of next year to make sure the financial system remains solvent. If you pay attention, watch him send at least $500 Billion, if not the full $800 billion to Fannie, Freddie, and a myriad of other huge banks on the verge of collapse. I’m not saying this is bad or good for the economy or American in general, all I am saying is that it is just wrong.

Dang, I need to stop. I tend to ramble off the top of my head when something sets me off. Broncos and Banking…lol Way of topic and I apologize for blabbing for so long, but I am unwilling to delete it because I did spend the time to type. If you are curious then email me and I will give you some links and chat some more…but this isn’t the place to be bitching about our financial system and the politics that surround it. lol

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 12, 2008 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zappa

I loved it , I completely agree , but I was wondering if you would and could ” tell us HOW you really feel ” lol

by okiebroncosfan on Aug 13, 2008 1:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont disagee

But these bailouts pissed me right the @#$% off. Sure the bankers are at fault but so is the consumer. One should never expect interest rates to stay the same or drop, ever. I was reading a story from the SF gate, where these two children (54 y/o mind you) lost their parents home to foreclosure. They owed 350K.There parents bought the house over 50 years ago for 12K. The parents have dementia and now will be put into a home that is payed for by SSA. But the kids kept refinancing the house to pay off their own debts. Thats the problem anymore. Its always someone else’s fault. TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS!!!

But this is where you and I will disagree somewhat. Sure the financial institutions should verify credit. But banking is like anything else they are out to make a buck. Plus you know as well as I do here in CA there is no rqmt on citizenship. That should ALWAYS be required. I am tired of the Govt bailing everyone out, if is the housing mkt, these damn stimulus checks. No wonder the deficit is so big. How about this novel concept, DONT SPEND MORE THAN YOU EARN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for my rant. I am struggling right now, and cant even afford something simple as the new madden or other things like that. But the govt will bail out irresponsible people

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 13, 2008 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is for all who want to listen......

find a book by Dave Ramsey, then implement the plan…...it does work wonders

fader nation is a conquered nation

The creator of the following names:

conquered fader nation
Phyllis and his merry men

by mdierk on Aug 13, 2008 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Sound advice.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 13, 2008 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

dallas

this game is going to be telling. listen, we are a little light at many positions, and we will see if we are going to be pushed around again this year, or look like the infirmary again. my biggest concern with this fast team we have are the physical teams, we always struggle against these guys, especially the 3-4. mentally, i want to see how we react to getting hit in the mouth. dallas, hate them as i do, is an excellent, physical football team. webster is going to lose his helmet at least 3 times. the players that hold the fort and fight back here are going to get major kudos from me. we have to play smart and tough, and this game will weed out the weak on our roster. big preseason game for evaluations, in my opinion. i think we’ll do pretty well, but players will win and lose jobs in this one

by davecheffy on Aug 12, 2008 12:09 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My game prep for Dallas is schuduled for Thu night.

You make an excellent point. I think their offense (particularly the OL) is very tough physicaly, and should provide an excellent test of where our DL and LBs are.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 13, 2008 4:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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