Impressions of the Broncos/Cowboys game
From the comments that I saw for the first and second halves, it looks like many of you saw what I saw live.
Here are my random thoughts on the game:
1. First team offense was very impressive tonight. Cutler was solid again and was knocked down one time for the game. That means good protection, quick releases and open receivers. Some things that concern me is Selvin Young not getting going early. The left side of the OL was inconsistent when runnig the ball. Andre Hall ran very well and I think could push Selvin out of a job if things stay the same. On the second series, there were too many penalties and the offense was buried deep in their own territory. If it wern't for a stupid penalty on Dallas, the game could have been different.
2. First team defense needs lots more work. At least they kept TO from getting long plays. There was no real D-line push or pressure until Brad Johnson was at QB. That is not a good sign. Fundamentals were still lacking, but better than last week. The second team wasn't much better with giving up lots of yards and poor tackling.
3. Special teams were not so special. Lackluster coverage on kicks, missed FG (not totally blaming Prater for that one), blocked punt (which we got a very lucky bounce). Good things were Prater kicking and forcing touchbacks, Paymah covering a punt inside the 5. They gave up way too many yards on coverage. This must be improved. We don't need a repeat of the Chicago game of last year.
4. Patrick Ramsey SUCKS!!! Will someone please cut him so we can not see that pitiful performance? He needs to get some strength for his arm. I saw a lot of passes that floated to receivers. One pass got Martinez hurt. At least there was a flag on the interception.
5. Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder must be doing a vanishing act. Both of these guys were being eaten up by the Dallas OL. They were getting success running at Moss in the second half.
This team is looking more promising as the preseason and training camp move on. Our best evaulation of the team will be Friday night against Green Bay. The regular season can't get here soon enough!
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Couldn't agree more
Cutler and Co. look real good, so far.
Prater had a high snap on his first FG attempt- so not ALL his fault
Ramsey really does suck. I thought he was supposed to have a strong arm – that’s one of the reasons Broncos brought him in.
I’m surprised at Crowder’s disappearing act – I thought he came on really well at the end of last year and had high hopes for him.
As for Jarvis Moss, I’ve never been impressed with him so I’m not surprised with his current poor play. I was upset when we selected him in the draft. We actually moved up to get him ( a huge, disappointing reach), when he was already over-rated at his projected slot in that draft. He was nothing but a one-year-wonder in college, managed to cash in on his brief success, but I’m afraid he’s destined to be another bust.
by BornOrange on Aug 17, 2008 12:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's not be hasty on Crowder or Moss quite yet.
Dallas has one of the most physical OLs in the League. I wouldn’t use this game as a measure.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We tend to forget that they're in their second year.
For a D-lineman, it takes time to adjust to the blockers at an NFL level. Mario Williams is the best example of this. I will admit that I am worried, but I have hope that they will prove all of us wrong and become players at the NFL level.
by papigrande on Aug 17, 2008 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crowder
has been third string all through camp, not just this game, and Moss has not fared much better. I’m still holding out hope that they will come around (I am a die-hard fan, afterall) but it wasn’t just this game-against monster O lineman- that pushed them down the depth chart. They’ve been coming up short of their potential through the entire off- and pre-season
by BornOrange on Aug 17, 2008 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crowder
has had some moments. I was just reading over notes from while I was out of town, and found that he took some reps with the 1st string nickel at RE, as noted by the post: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10178383
Also, the official site has him making some plays against the Cowboys in practice:
http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/2008/08/13/cowboys-at-camp-day-1-pm/
In short, he is showing some flashes. The coaches may be keeping him back to force him to build consistency. OTOH, he may just not be NFL ready…
by jonahsilas on Aug 17, 2008 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Moss had his moments.
He had a great QB pressure on a pass play when there was only 3 down linemen and 5 o-linemen. It was almost a sack.
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on Aug 17, 2008 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 on 5
that play was a stunt, with Doom ripping around the RT and Mos slicing right through between the G and C. That is the kind of thing that happened TOO the Broncos last year, not BY them.
It was refreshing…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 17, 2008 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
various thoughts
Re: Hall. I’ve become a covert lately on Hall. Part of my conversation came by reading the Broncos Denver Broncos blog, which is quite unabashed in it’s support for Hall, but the results also speak for themselves. Hall deserves the starter position based on his results so far in the pre-season, although performance in two pre-season games is hardly sufficient reason for the decision. Still, unless we see a change, a rotational scheme at RB would seem in order — at the very least.
Re: LB. I don’t know how this position will shake out. Woodyard has made a strong case for being on the roster, and I’ve also become enthused about Beck lately. Larsen showed something tonight, too. But I’m not naive, and I realize that these rookies are a liability on some plays. The feeling I get is that the LB corps is in flux. And I don’t know that keeping these younger players will solve many of the problems I expect we’ll have this year but I think they could provide us with some big plays on defense and special teams.
Re: Punters. This is shaping up as a very interesting battle, and both look like NFL material. I really can’t say who’s earned the job at this point, but I do feel comfortable with whoever it is.
Re: Ramsey. I’m convinced now, I was just hoping it was a pre-season slump. Hackney would be more effective if he was rolled out frequently, just as they often used Plummer. I’m not convinced there aren’t liabilities associated with playing Hackney, so we better hope he doesn’t play much, although I have to admit he does bring something to the offense when he does play. I still wouldn’t mind seeing them use him as a red zone QB who could run when necessary, but I know that’s not a smart move.
The game will be on again, today, Sunday, at 2:00 Mountain Day time, on NFL TV.
by Colinski on Aug 17, 2008 2:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The weakest individual on Defense (as I see it)
I counted the passes that Dallas threw to the right side in first half. EIGHT passes all for completions against Foxworth (less). Two passes were in the middle and one to the left against Paymah which was broken up.
Are all the Bronco fans out there with long term memory loss. Foxworth is a great guy and I like him, but he can’t cover an ant-hill with a blanket. He plays too deep and gets caught with the receiver catching the ball behind him on short routes, however it’s too late and they get a first down every other time. He can’t keep up with the deep receiver either, and thats why he gives so much cusion. Offensive Coordinators across the field love him.
You don’t think there is a reason they threw toward Foxy’s side consistently? This isn’t coincidence, go back and look at our opponents since the 2005 AFC Championship against Steelers. EVERY TEAM in the League picks on Foxy anytime he plays corner. “Hello ! McFly??” Denver needs to get a better backup corner.
Foxy can play and tackle as a zone DB, but he can’t play corner. It isn’t a coincidence that he had 6 unassisted tackles in the game, the most for the Denver Defense. Next to him it was Winborn with 4 tackles, with one of those assisting Foxy. Why? because that was where all the plays were: IN FOXY’s FACE and Winborn was running to his left the whole first half to assist.
You may not agree with my comments, but the fact is that this is the truth. Deny if you will, but if Champ goes down or Bly, It’s bad news if Foxy is counted on as a backup. Domonique’s performance has decreased every year since his rookie year. I guess if he plays much Cornerback this year his numbers will come up. At least he tackles better and looks better at that, but I’d rather see him stay with his man and break up some plays. nuff said
"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras
by Denver Diehard on Aug 17, 2008 2:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the thoughts on Foxy
I will be recording the game off of the replay this afternoon and I will be watching specifically for this.
Good talking points mdierk! I too was happy to see consistent (and deep) touchbacks all game, and I hope we see the same thing next week as well. I mentioned that during the game, but also pointed out that if he dominates at home, that would be ok for now to.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 17, 2008 7:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The yahoo Dallas commentators
mentioned that one of Prater’s touchbacks in the second half would have gone nine yards deep instead of only four yards deep if his left foot hadn’t slipped when he planted it.
He was kicking them to the goal-line in Houston (I’m sure the air was a little be heavier in Houston than it is ever in Denver), so I’m happy to see him kicking off wherever we play!
"It's all over Fat Man"
- Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I wouldn't say he's nowhere near T.O."
- Pacman Jones on Brandon Marshall
by DesertBroncoFan on Aug 18, 2008 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing to consider (in all fairness).
Foxworth is basicaly a nickel or dime CB, and he was thrust into a situation covering the “Terrell Owens and Romo connection”. Any QB would attack a back-up CB at the #1 position, especially if the WR is TO.
The defensive coordinator did the right thing (in my opinion) by playing Foxworth “too” deep. This allowed a lot of short passes, but also prevented the big play. Fox also didn’t have the help of a major pass rush.
I’m not at all disagreeing that Fox isn’t the guy to play at the #1 CB position (we can all agree on that). But I just think he did what was expected of him, and we might disagree on that point.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
zone CB?
HT – in saying that Foxy is a nickel or dime CB, you are backing up DD’s point that Foxy is basically a good zone corner, and not so great in man?
If that is the case, and given the scheme he’s in as a Bronco, wouldn’t it make more sense to trade him to a team that plays a cover-2, to whom he would have greater value?
Not that I am giving up on the guy. I am excited to se e him as CB #2 in the nickel, with Bly in the nickelback spot. I hope in that position his man skills will be good enough, if not superb.
by jonahsilas on Aug 17, 2008 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say that.
In my opinion, Foxworth is a solid man coverage CB. He’s been forced to play out of role as a back-up safety in Denver (in more of a zone coverage role), and I think this has slowed his development. To my knowledge, there isn’t a correlation between being a nickel or dime back and being a zone coverage guy. I would guess that most nickel and dime backs play man.
But I think if you take a sold #3 CB (borderline #1), then have him play a lot of safety for a year, then all of a sudden throw him up against Terrell Ownens as th #1 CB, it’s not too fair to jump on the guy. He may not be all that great for all I know, but I wouldn’t measure him by this last preseason game is all I’m really saying.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake...
But I think if you take a sold #3 CB (borderline #1)…
should read:
…(borderline #2)…
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the clarification
It was news to me that Foxy was best/good only in zone situations, hence my confusion about the nickelback position. His tie at safety muddles the whole zone/man picture as well.
I, too, see him as a solid #2 corner in the future. And agree that Foxy vs. T.O. in the preseason is no place to have him playing aggressive press D. A little cushion, and tackling practice is a totally fair move.
I didn’t see the game yesterday as I was traveling back from the Sierras, but sounds like Foxy did ok, overall.
by jonahsilas on Aug 17, 2008 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a good point HT
He probably was doing what was expected of him from the defensive coaches. I’m not basing this on one pre-season game though. I see this as a carry over from last year and the year before when he plays Corner. I guess I was aggrivated again and just wanted to rant. Thats what I get for writing comments at 2am after being at the bar all night. I watched the replay this afternoon and the count was correct with 8 passes to his man including a TD against him, however there were more passes against the middle coverage and the linebackers than I remembered. Also, the play that Paymah defended was actually a completion to TO. I was inspired by the pick from Jack Williams however.
"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras
by Denver Diehard on Aug 17, 2008 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be great if Jack works out.
That would cushion things a bit when the Bailey / Bly contracts come up.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So was I but....
We have to call it what it was — a goof by the WR.
by Colinski on Aug 17, 2008 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally,
Foxy gets Cristmas cards from Reggie Wayne every year.
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on Aug 17, 2008 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was Roc Alexander...
"It's all over Fat Man"
- Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I wouldn't say he's nowhere near T.O."
- Pacman Jones on Brandon Marshall
by DesertBroncoFan on Aug 18, 2008 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramsey....
the Denver Post is reporting that Ramsey’s grandma died and his wife gave birth to thier second child within the last 4 days. I know that is a stressful time for anyone, but I’m not going to be quick on making that an excuse for his play in this camp.
Hope he sucks it up and plays better instead of just sucking.
Congrats on the newborn, condolecnces for the grandmother.
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by mdierk on Aug 17, 2008 9:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
People react differently.
Remember Favre’s performance after his father’s death. He used it as an inspiration. If I lost my wife or child I doubt I’d be able to do much of anything. Who knows.
As a person, Ramsey deserves our condolences. Still, given his play through practices, I don’t think he is our back-up moving forward.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland Browns.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the 2008 Denver Bronos will be much like the 2007 Cleveland Browns. There’s no doubt our offense should be explosive, but our defense is lacking at best. If we can’t develope a pass rush, opposing QBs will pick us a part. I’m not thrilled with 2/3 of our LB corps or any of our D-Linemen. I’m sticking with 9-7, give or take a game either way depending on the breaks. Sorry to rain on your parades…
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on Aug 17, 2008 11:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, we were egoing up against one of the best O-lines in the business.
And we were running some very vanilla schemes. Slowik likes to blitz, so I think we will be applying more pressure once the season starts.
by papigrande on Aug 17, 2008 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't give up on the pass rush.
If the zone blitz is our system, we aren’t going to show a lot of our play packages in preseason, which would feature the pass rush and blitzes as a centerpiece. I’m negative about a few things my self right now too, but as long as we can keep the run in check, then the pass rush should be ok. I’m more considered about man and zone coverages by our LBs so far, but haven’t seen enough to make a decision on where I think we are.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LBs in coverage
I’d like to get a better measure of our LB’s coverage ability, too. Their run stopping abilities are more apparent when following the ball carrier in games but I’d really like to know how they rate in pass coverage.
In part, I’d like to get a better grip on who they will keep and why. We know that many of the LBs will play important roles on Special Teams, and this will obviously influence the decision of who is cut, but it would be nice to know how they rate against each other in coverage ability and get a feel for how this also impacted the roster decision.
by Colinski on Aug 17, 2008 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
It’s my own bias, but I rate a LBs coverage skills very high. I prefer a LB that can cover TEs, and cover RBs (whether running or receiving). Other folks have a different take on things, and have sound reasons. But for our system, I really like the idea of a LB that can stick to someone. I’m willing to give a little on some other LB qualities if a LB can stick to his assignment, and has the speed to adjust for errors in judgement.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I noticed about our pass coverage,
Was that we kept the tight end in check. That was, until everybody’s darling Woodyard came into the game. He got burned by the TE on like 3 successive roll outs. He was in position to make the tackle each time and the ball carrier just slipped right out of his arms.
Outside of that, I think Woodyard played OK.
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on Aug 17, 2008 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I would hold off condemning the pass rush. For D-rob didnt play, and Doom did get a sack. The rush Defense look good. Better than the same game a year ago. I think its a little too early to be harping if the defense is good or bad. Or bagging on Foxy. Remember this is only preseason game 2
by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 17, 2008 2:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I would like to hear an opinion on the MLB situation.
Koutouvides started, but he only had one tackle. He didn’t look as lost this week as he did last week IMO, but he didn’t look like a star either. Webster, while playing with the second team, had one tackle as well, and also a pass defensed. I don’t think one is clearly better than the other, and at this point it is hard to tell, but at least neither looks like too much of a liability. I’m still on the fence, and I would like to hear others’ opinions as well.
by papigrande on Aug 17, 2008 3:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think (so far) that...
…we have two average guys competing for the MLB spot. It’s still early to gauge.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give the edge to Koutovides
I just finished watching the game, and I am transferring my copy to harddrive right now. Then I will break it up and break it down and give a more informed opinion, but from a first watching, Niko looked better, and was in position to make plays.
I’ll know more later though.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 17, 2008 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since I couldn't watch,
…I trust your eyes. Let me know how it looks!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My dad
was at the game and said he was impressed wuth K2 also. He is more realistic than I usually am. He for one is jacked about how good this team will be this year
by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 18, 2008 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, HT
You’ve probably hit it on the head, HT, and that’s what makes the composition of the LB corps such a vexing roster decision. It would be easy to say that they should let whoever wins between Kou and Web start and leave it at that, but there are a number of possible configurations they could use, depending on how the assess their abilities in different areas of responsibility.
I’m certainly not someone who can knowledgeably discuss the various LB options, but I’m at least aware of the fact. I’m trying to anticipate how they will deal with injuries or — for instance — production problems at MLB. It looks like we have a team with a lot of WLBs but the real question is who can fill in at other positions.
by Colinski on Aug 17, 2008 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And keep in mind...
..that we don’t have to be great at every single position. If we are average or better at every position (but very good at most), then we have a great team. I’d rather have no weaknesses than be great here and there, but weak elsewhere.
I wouldn’t want to get by at average at MLB or anywhere else, but we are exceptional in places (CBs, DE, WILL) and so we can afford some mediocrity. We may also have some good surprises left (Barrett, McCree, DRob, Boss and / or Thomas may turn out to be pretty good). It is still too early to know. Some guys won’t even blossom until after the regular season starts.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that sticks in my mind
was Webster whiffing on a tackle of Felix Jones. It seemed like he was in position, but just couldn’t make the tackle and Jones got a pretty good gain off of it.
I’m not sure why it is, but I’m liking K2 over Webster at this point. But, it is early, still.
"It's all over Fat Man"
- Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I wouldn't say he's nowhere near T.O."
- Pacman Jones on Brandon Marshall
by DesertBroncoFan on Aug 18, 2008 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niko seems slow
Niko just seems slow to react to me. He’s a big guy, and when you add to that less-than-ideal instincts, I give the edge to Webster. Either way, I’ll tell you this much: Denver will take a long, hard look at the MLB prospects in next year’s draft.
Three other reactions to the game (which I just watched on NFL Network):
1. Andre Hall looks like better than Selvin Young right now. He hits the hole harder and runs with an attitude.
2. Foxy is definitely better as the third DB. I keep reading what a great camp he’s had, but he did not have a good game against Dallas.
3. Where is the pass rush?? I thought Crowder played better than Moss, but that’s not saying much. It’ll be another long year for our secondary if we can’t pressure the QB.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Aug 17, 2008 6:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
A note on those MLB prospects.
I think I would literally be salivating if we drafted James Lauranaitis of Ohio State. He is a flat-out animal. If either he or Rey Maualuga of USC is available whenever we pick (or trade up to pick) then I can’t see us going anywhere else.
by papigrande on Aug 17, 2008 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rey Maualuga over Lauranatis
I would do anything to get Maualuga over Lauranaitis, Maualuga looks like the second coming of Junior Saeu and I think Lauranaitis is severely over-rated, he got run-over every time Ohio State plays an SEC team in a bowl game, Brian Cushing at USC may be the better prospect from the three, but something about having a 260 lb MLB that can run a 4.5 makes me think we would be crazy not to look at positioning to get Maualuga, he just flat out destroys people and has the quick twitch look of Saeu.
Broncoman
by Broncoman on Aug 17, 2008 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys....
…do we have to lose a lot of games to draft these guys high, or will the be lower in the first round? I’m not up on college prospects at all.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lauranaitis is projected as a top 10 pick.
So, hopefully, he is out of our reach. Maualuga could fall to the late first round, and if he lasts anywhere past 15, I would expect Shanny to trade up for him. He’s just that good of a prospect. Though 2009 is projected to be very deep at the MLB position, so we could pick someone up in a later round. Most of the mock drafts I’ve read have us picking around #16 and taking either Maualuga or a running back (!?!?!?) with our first selection.
by papigrande on Aug 17, 2008 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or get lucky
Both would seem a little beyond our reach, and it’s hard to believe we’ll tank that badly.
One 2009 Mock has us getting Laurinaitis, but another has him going #1 overall, so…….
I think the do it just to tantalize us. The good news is that we don’t have to fixate on a particular player. There are some interesting players who might fall into our projected range. I’m intrigued by an impressive crop of Safeties, I like the idea of FS Myron Rolle, who’s got both size and smarts, in both a football and booksmart sense. It’s simply a question of who’s available, but I’m certainly looking mostly at the defensive players.
by Colinski on Aug 17, 2008 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOTE on Rolle
I just noticed he’s projected more as a SS, which is where the strength of the 2009 crop is. I’ve been hoping for a super-duper, playmaking FS who can police the defensive backfield for years to come.
by Colinski on Aug 17, 2008 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 18, 2008 3:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been waiting for Laurenaitus for a while now.
I was was so pissed when he decided not to enter the draft this year.
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on Aug 17, 2008 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both LB looked poor
I thought Niko looked too slow and took poor angles, Webster seemed faster but also took poor angles, I would give the starting job to Webster, but look at getting someone in next year’s draft a high priority. I think Webster is a great back-up LB, but probably shouldn’t be starting on a regular basis.
Broncoman
by Broncoman on Aug 17, 2008 7:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Niko does look slow
but his angles are perfect, for a slower player. He is still quick, just not as quick as we are used to. This LB corp isn’t a classic Denver group, with speed at every slot. We need to draft a MLB to get back to that, but Niko or Webster is more than adequate for now…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 17, 2008 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poole should be cut
I am not sure why we brought back Poole, he was getting burned by third stringers, I have a hard time believing that he has a better shot making the team versus the other CB they cut, although they may have been aweful as well. Nice play by Jack Williams though, so looks like he got a spot as maybe a dime back.
Broncoman
by Broncoman on Aug 17, 2008 7:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Poole probably doesn't have a chance.
I’m thinking the other player that we cut had issues that are behind closed doors.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 17, 2008 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its purely for depth
Plus I think Denver is using him a player/coach. Just like his last stint here
by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 18, 2008 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes Shanny will cut a player...
…that he know won’t make the Broncos if he thinks he has a chance to go into another camp and make the team.
Often it’s a favor to the player. Morton had a couple of nice plays against Houston…another team may have taken notice.
Nobody was showing interest in Poole…so Shanny can bring him in as a preseaon player and cut him berfore the season without doing him a huge disservice.
by UnarmingMermaid on Aug 18, 2008 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramsey should be cut too
I agree with all of the Ramsey haters here, the sooner he is cut, the better I will feel, I really want to see Hackney have a shot running 1st or 2nd string so we can see what he can do, can be nothing worse than what Ramsey has done, I was cringing every time he went back to pass.
Broncoman
by Broncoman on Aug 17, 2008 7:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate
is too strong of a word to use on a backup QB. He bores me though. There is no past, present or future with that guy. He is in the wrong business.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 17, 2008 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate hate hate hate HATE RAMSEY.
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on Aug 18, 2008 10:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
now now.....
you don’t need to “hate” anyone. Strong dislike would be more like it.
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by mdierk on Aug 18, 2008 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I hate him as a back up player. I dont know him so when I reference hate on a football player/team its purely based about football
by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 18, 2008 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Ramsey was better than Patrick Ramsey
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by Denver Diehard on Aug 19, 2008 1:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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