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NPLB Offensive Personnel Reports for Preseason Game 2 -- Oline

As a whole the Offensive line is much better at pass blocking right now than run blocking, but that could definitely change once the preseason is over.  The next game could actually be a good indicator of where the pass and run blocking is, not because the starters will be in their longer, but because they will be gameplanning for Green Bay like they would in a regular game.

Also, while Holland graded out the highest and most consistent of any of the olinemen, it should be noted that he was in against the Dallas 2nd team, so he may get the nod for the highest ranking this week, and we may see a shakeup in practice down the road, but for now I think we can expect to see him being evaluated, possibly rotating into the starting lineup against Green Bay.

11 total linemen came under the microscope against Dallas, and only Lichtensteiger received too few reps to get a good read on.  Without further ado, here are your Broncos offensive linemen.

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Notes:  Holland looked like a man among boys lining up against Dallas' second team defense.  My notes are filled repeatedly with the word "bulldozer" in regards to Holland's play, as he pushed DTs, DEs and of course LBs anywhere he wanted them on the field.  He was effective on almost every play, with no major mistakes, and consistent upfield push.  More than any lineman on the roster right now Holland has the power to drive defenders off the ball in the running game, but it may still be some time before we see him running with the starters as he still has conditioning to go through.  As he gets into better shape he will be more adept at pulling, something he wasn't asked to do in this latest preseason game.

A few shortcomings stood out, all related to missed assignments, nothing that some more reps won't cure.  For a player with every excuse to be out of rythm, lacking timing or guilty of foolish penalties, his game was surprisingly lacking on all these fronts.  He looks ready to take some snaps with the starters, if someone leaves him an opening.  This makes Kuper's report particularly interesting methinks.

He also turned in the most consistent game of any of the linemen, being equally effective as a pass blocker, but again, second string may not have been the greatest test.  It is worth noting that from a technique standpoint he is doing excellent, making the right tackle look good.  In fact, the coaches pulled him for five plays while Ramsey was still leading the second teamers in order to get a look at Lichtensteiger.  I firmly believe that if Hollands issues were anything other than conditioning, that may have been the end of the game for him, but as it was he went back in to finish the game up with the third teamers.  Oh well.  Better than pushing a sled I suppose.

 

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Notes:  Clady was particularly impressive in this game, and going against Demarcus Ware for many of the plays can only raise your esteem of him.  He graded high in both facets of the game, and turned in a spectacular performance from the edge.  But he showed some weaknesses as well, especailly against double moves to the outside.  Little mistakes strewn throughout his game, most of them technical in nature, led to a bit of the up and down, starting with a penalty on the first play from scrimmage.  I laughed when I went back and watched it.  First Clady went low to cut a player on the backside, but he mistimed the cut and came up well short of the player (this is a common mistake of young players, but Clady has no excuse, having come from a ZB system in Idaho).  As a result, when the DE jumped over him to go chase the play, Clady just reached out and grabbed his foot, pulling him down.  His score was heavily docked for the play, since it resulted in a penalty on the first play, but part of me appreciates what he did on that play, as a whiff by the LT usually leads to hits on the QB, and any left tackle worth his salt should think a penalty is the least he can do to protect his guy.  This particular play was a weakside cutback run, so the rationale doesn't apply 100%, but I like the instinct.

Clady's other major flub was an outside speed move that he couldn't corral, in which Cutler did end up taking a hit after the release.  We definitely don't want many of those.  Clady will be susceptible to being set up by good edge rushers in his early development, so our running game will protect him some from those mistakes.  As it was he made up for his mistakes with 3 plays that scored perfect, including two flat-out knockdowns (only one other player had a knockdown in this game, but I bet you can't guess who) and an impressive running play where Clady blocked two guys at once on a broken play, knocking one back and then the other like they were tackling dummies.  Clady's athleticism has led to some forgetting about his strength, but against a heavy Dallas front four he held his own, including taking on DTs for several plays.  If he keeps this up he will be a wall on Cutler's blind side, sooner than later.

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Notes:  A surprise entry into the top of the list, IMO, Harris was technically solid throughout the game.  He faded noticeably as the half was winding down, and the majority of his errors occurred then.  He was one of the more consistent players between run and pass blocking, and that kind of balance is key to his roster spot.  He also was very quick to adjust to a defender's moves, and could hold his own for extended stretches.  In run blocking he could too easily be knocked back, and this will probably be a problem for a while.  He isn't getting good leverage off of the snap, and larger players will be able to walk him straight back into the pocket.

Another area that needs work is his concentration.  While not guilty of a penalty, he had two non-calls on holds that would have really hurt the team if the refs had seen them.  One was horribly blatant and amounted to a tackle.  Of all the players, including fellow rookies and the players who graded out the lowest he had the largest % of bad or blown plays.  He has the physical tools and the technical know how to compete, but he is suffering from inexperience, and is a reminder of just how special Ryan Clady has been so far.  On the plus side he is above average at run-blocking, which will be a huge asset moving forward, especially if he ends up playing next to Holland.  Not so much with Kuper though, more on that in a moment.

 

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Notes:  After looking a bit lost against Houston, Wiegmann really turned his play around and was leading the charge for the Broncos against Dallas.  Playing consistently well, he dropped off only a few times, usually when he was moving to the second level or part of a pulling tandem.  He looked to be losing concentration or focus, and with his experience that boils down to needing more reps.  Even if Nalen returns and takes his starting spot back, Wiegmann is getting in some good time with the likely starters, and starting to gain the cohesion you look for.  In particular you want to see him meshing with the guards, as the three are often responsible for pulling together or choosing double teams.  He made several errors when choosing his blocks to early, and may possibly have called some missed assignments in the pass blocking.

One area where he shined however was in driving DTs off the ball in the passing and running games.  He has one of the most physical attitudes on the line.  He shows technical mastery of his position, a huge asset if he is asked to come off the bench, and has no difficulty getting low or maintaining blocks.  When those blocks are moving, so much the better. Lastly, he is one of only two Denver Linemen that really seem to have a grasp of how to get a defender redirected, essential for sealing off lanes in the running game.  Hamilton is the other, and that is something we really want to see from our guards and centers on the roster.  If Nalen is a no-go, and wiegmann goes down, our G/C depth will be severely run-impaired...

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Notes:  In a way, Hamilton is our best lineman, in that he is the most consistent one.  Across the board he has long stretches of adequate, effective play, broken up by the occasional bright spot.  Not too bright, of course, just like it is never too dark.  And of all the linemen, he spent the least amount of time playing below par.

One worry will always be whether Hamilton can be pushed around.  Sometimes yes, sometimes no, but it is an issue because his technique is sound, as a rule.  As one of the few players who can redirect once he gets his man moving, it isfrustrating to see him losing ground at the line of scrimmage.  Even being slightly off shouldn't hurt you too bad when you are as consistent as he is.  Yet on occassion, he will be blown off the ball.  I saw the symptoms of this in the Dallas game, and have resigned myself to it being a part of Hamilton's game, but it nags at me when I think about our need for increased redzone productivity.  I would like to see Hamilton develop some of Wiegmann and Clady's mean streak and embrace that role as the season develops.  He has done it before.

On the plus side Hamilton is a huge asset for protecting Cutler, and is a huge help to Clady when they are dealing with stunts.  They had an impressive play on a stunt where normally they would switch off and take each others players, but Clady got locked up with his defender, a sure recipe for getting peeled off when the defenders cross each others paths.  Instead of the sure pressure, however, Hamilton adjusted perfectly and fell back into the pocket, forcing his guy to run wide where Hamilton redirected him effortlessly down the field.  Meanwhile Clady powered his guy along the line of scrimmage, wearing him down with each step.  The pocket flexed a little, but it didn't give, and that is the kind of thing that gives the QB the confidence he needs to step into his throws.

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Notes:  In a vanilla preseason, our rookie linemen were the sprinkles.  Clady has already established he is a star, and Harris, in effectively his rookie campaign has shown some fast and comprehensive strides.  What if we got that lucky with all of our depth?  Well, Polumbus is on the right track.  While he doesn't have the "star" strength and agility that makes Clady such an impact, he has the right blend of awareness and intensity to make a difference in a play.  

He started out a  little rough but quickly fell into a rhythm at Tackle.  While his technical execution was generally sound, he did struggle with cutblocks, coming up short on a couple, as well as being unable to effectively twist a defender around to seal off the end.  He did adjust well to speed rushers on the outside, being beat once only to follow it up with a flawless kickstep that prevented it from happening twice.  He also showed  good adjustments against the bull rush, being shoved back easily, but recovering his dignity on the next play by getting low and driving the defender off the line.  He showed some technical flaws when trying to counter moves off the edge, completely whiffing once and generally getting off balance in pursuit.  In the running game he was a surprisingly strong drive blocker, doing a halfway decent job on outside runs, though his inability to turn a defender made him only adequate when defending the inside gap.

As a final surprise, Polumbus was the only other player in the game besides Clady to score a knockdown, and he got it on a DE.  It wasn't a thing of beauty, but he made someone eat turf and that is always a work of art.

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Notes:  Erickson got in some solid, if flawed reps against Dallas.  At first blush he appears to be one of the stronger players in our depth, and could drive very well, but he definitely needs some technical experience if he is going to keep up with defenses and keep his QB clean.  He had a few too many flat out misses as defenders could edge by him with ( a rather pitiful) rip move, anything fast and to the outside, and particularly inside-out moves where the defender uses his agility to redirect the tackle.  Erickson's blocks rolled off of several players like water off a ducks back, but when he managed to get his hands inside and lock on, he could do what he wanted.

I was unable to see his hand technique, but I would guess that he has a long way to go in that area due to the large number of defenders sliding past him.  Like most of our young guys, and a few of our vets, he wasn't very effective getting off the ball in the run game, though in his defense, the line was collapsing regularly on the backside, so that may have been messing with him.  Slightly more believable is that he is a raw rookie with a long ways to go.

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Notes:  Finally!  I was wondering how long it would take to before we got to see this guys score.  I'll first preface this breakdown with the fact that he is playing with a broken hand and it is wrapped up like a ham filled maracca.  Maybe it is an excuse, maybe it isn't.  On with the analysis.

The good news is that he did manage to get into the positive digits, and his pass blocking is certainly effective enough to buy him some time, but critical mistakes, some called on him and some missed by the refs, as well as a startling drop off towards the end of the half make me wonder what is wrong with Kuper.

He started strong, had some issues on running plays, but nothing serious, and then he started getting pushed into the backfield.  It started with a good bull rush from a DT on a passing down, but Kuper held long enough for the pass to get off.  But Dallas must have seen something because they just started to dominate Kuper.  Over the  span of about 10 plays before the end of the half he graded out at a -20!  One of the problems he had last year was getting in a rut, and it appears that we might see some more of the same from him this go-round.  One thing is for sure, Kuper needs to work on finishing guys off.  Kuper is powerful, and moves very well, the rare combination that Denver needs to pull off its ZB scheme, but he definitely needs to get his head around what is happening to him out there.

Going forward I would like to see him recovering quickly from bad plays, and I would especially like to see no penalties.  He was called for one hold, and I saw at least one other that should have been called.  That gives unearned momentum to the defense and stalls out an offense.  i don't know how much his hand is bothering him, and it could certainly be affecting his ability to lock onto a defender in the running game, but with Holland having the game he did, Kuper's days may be getting smaller, just like the numbers on Holland's scale.

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Notes:  I don't plan on spending a whole lot of time on these next two guys.  Gandy doesn't seem to have a whole lot going for him after the Dallas game.  He moves well and can cut block, but that is about it.  He routinely gets pushed back off the ball and was the number two reason why Michael Pittman is hoping that the coaches don't blame him for the rushing effort from the second teamers.  At the second level he spent a little too much time looking around for someone to block instead of blocking them, and absolutely failed at doing anything that could even remotely be called "opening a running lane".  There will be no running behind him if he is forced into action, though I'm not too worried about him making the roster.  He may be a veteran, and he may have some experience, but I like our rookies a lot better at this point.

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So did you hear the one about the termite who walked into a bar and asked "where's the bartender?"  Well, this one is even funnier than that.  In it, you get to rewind a play over and over and watch a player get flat out embarrassed getting blown off the ball.

I don't plan on beating PJ up about this.  He isn't a center right now, and playing him there isn't helping the matter.  He just happens to be the only backup that has been around long enough to play that position.  I don't envy him the chore, and I don't envy the ribbing he is probably taking for his performance.  But at a certain point, doesn't a professional's pride come into the equation?  I mean, he had 11 plays where he was either completely blown off the ball or swallowed up like a helpless gnat.  He didn't move laterally at all, which is a technical flaw that will follow him to any position he takes.  In short, he didn't do himself any favors against Dallas, and he can only hope that the coaches don't hold the nuances of a difficult position against him.  But when they get a look at some pretty unsound technique on his part, they may just be thinking about how nice an extra roster spot would look.

 

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*Not enough reps for an accurate sample

Note:  Looks pretty good huh?  There isn't a lot to say for He Who Licks Ten Tigers (cmon guys, lets think of a good nickname, ASAP!!!), except that he looks just as strong in the NFL as he did in college, and that he seems to grasp the system and what is being asked of him.

He relieved Holland for five plays while Ramsey was still in, and though it was a small sample, he didn't look lost and he was the only backup guard who looked comfortable out on the second level.  If somebody forced me to choose right now between him and Gandy I wouldn't hesitate to take Ten Tigers.

And they could have PJ as well, kind of like a bonus.  Sort of.



 

 


 


 



 

 


 

 


 


 

 

 


 

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Ten Tigers sounds fine to me as a nickname!

" He goes against Champ everyday." -Jay Cutler

Davis to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Aug 19, 2008 4:27 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It has a nice ring to it

and it fits the theme of the Olympics.

“ancient Chinese secret, huh?”

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 19, 2008 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Breakdown

I would agree with pretty much all the assessments, I did notice that Clady had some problems picking up stunts that were run on his side, although I think Hamilton might of missed handing off his guy, but I don’t know what the line call was, so it’s hard to tell who messed up.

Broncoman

by Broncoman on Aug 19, 2008 4:54 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Clady grades

out at +8 vs stunts. He had some above average play and some average, but nothing to worry about. Since linecalls, are one of the inbuilt error %s (like deep receiver routes and primary vs secondary routes) I assess the stunts based on how much penetration the defenders get before the Oline starts to get into their technique. A blown play is usually signalled by deep penetration by the end in that circumstance, but every play is unique.

Clady had issues elsewhere with double moves that went outside. His kickstep is solid, but if he doesn’t commit right away he isn’t fast enough (no one is) to get outside again, though he did manage to recover, just nothing spectacular. He was penalized for over committing on first moves a number of times, including several stunts. I have a feeling those are the stunts you are remembering. He needs to sit back a little bit when he sees that stunt developing instead of getting his hands into the guy. Balance is absolutely essential to doing that, so he has the tools to accommodate.

If he faces a lot of stunts next week, I will add it to his chart, see how he does with it.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 19, 2008 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm, I had an interesting thought while reading this...

Could Holland be a major reason why Andre Hall looks so much better than Selvin Young running the ball? I wonder….

I like this post even more than the QB post, Styg. Keep it up man, I love this series.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 19, 2008 5:22 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hall

ran with the first teamers. Pittman, Hillis and Sapp are the only backs who ran witht eh second team, and Hillis and Sapp didn’t get any handoffs.

Hall looks good because he is just playing better between the tackles. Certain plays set up other plays, and Hall is the beneficiary of that, including his goalline work, which he is taking advantage of right now.

But Selvin is better all around and blocking well in the backfield.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 19, 2008 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my bad...you know, I realized that after I posted the comment..

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 19, 2008 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hall V. Young

Young didn’t look too bad in my third viewing of the Dallas game last night.

I’m going to be an advocate for running back by committee, with Young and Hall sharing the bulk of the burden and Pittman, Alridge, etc., used for short yardage/red zone or a change of pace. It seems clear that Hall is superior inside while Young is better running outside and in other areas.

I wouldn’t want to draw too many conclusions from the limited appearances we’ve seen under an OL that’s still gelling in the run game, but it seems obvious that Young and Hall have earned some playing time and the best way to settle the issue is by giving some to both, which also should help with durability concerns regarding them.

by Colinski on Aug 20, 2008 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great point Zappa...

I hope we don’t make the mistake of putting Hall above Selvin………I have bad feelings about that.

Broncos broncos everywhere and all the league did blink,

by Mike Clark on Aug 20, 2008 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Run/Pass blocking

Does anyone have any clues as to why the run blocking looks so much better right now? Is that a consequence of pre-season ball or a trend we could see over the season?

Great breakdowns, Styg. Thanks for your work.

I miss Al

by birkheac on Aug 19, 2008 6:02 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought our pass blocking has looked better...

not sure why though. We are a run oriented team…or at least supposed to be.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 19, 2008 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

both pass and run

look better than last year, with pass blocking looking phenomenally better. i don’t think we are going to regret a Clady/Harris bookend combo in that respect.

Some things are preseason, but Harris and Clady look good because they ARE good. THey are technically sound, subject to terrible mistakes and getting better fast.

Of course, you cna get all that just from reading Guru’s report on the game…. :)

But the scouting reports back it up. We have solid pass blockers whose only liability is going to be picking up desperation blitzes. Cutlers job will be to make sure he has the protection he needs, and the RBs will have to make the blocks.

The reason the big blitzes will be tough goes deeper than just 6 on 5. we are undersized through themiddle and even hamilton can get rocked back by a DT with enough desire. Part of the liabiltiy of ZB is that you have to have a mastermind like Shanny planning ahead so that defenses can’t get into the mindset that they will be able to blitz like crazy. Unlike the Pats, Shanny would never abandon the run completely and let a team like the giants tee off on his QB.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 19, 2008 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick question

How do you play on relating the OL’s grade to those of the HBs?

by calvinandhobbes on Aug 19, 2008 6:54 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

quick example

wrs and rbs share many common issues that still need bearing out.

On the first play from scrimmage against dallas Selvin gets a carry that is generally stuffed that he squeezes 3 yards out of. He will be the last player graded. In this particular instance, several oline grade out average, an adequate opening play. But Harris, who cuts his man too early and thus has no effect grades poorly, Clady who gets trompled and called for holding grades exceptionally poorly, weigmann, who is blown backwards off the ball grades out poorly, though Kuper and Hamilton, who both pull and are blocking at the 2nd level while this is going down, grade average. Next selvin is graded for some rudimentary things, nothing too significant to his overall grade, and then his recognition of the disaster in front of him is asessed by grading his decision speed and choice, which was to bounce outside. He is then graded for a few additional technical pointers, including falling forward, and he ends up grading out above average, even though the play generally sucked.

Even though everyone works together to create a play, no one can do more than his own job, and he is graded accordingly.

As an experiment I graded the offensive line as a whole on the play: -27. Add in Selvin’s work and it is bumped to -3. The net result of the play was a 2 yard loss, consistent with a grade that says that the Broncos are inching backwards. I don’t know how consistently such calculations would play out int he future, but they have potential.

Also, I meant to put this in my other answer to you, but i intend for full transparency for this process in the future. but right now I am just trying to keep up… :)

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 19, 2008 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops

result of play was a 10 yard loss, of course, but players are still credited for doing things right or wrong even on penalized plays. My net for the play was still inaccurate though, it should read “7 yard loss.”

The overall grade for the play seems a bit high in that instance, though Clady received the lowest score possible on the play….

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 19, 2008 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

On our first play from scrimmage . . .

I believe that was a stretch play where Selvin was to make a read to cut it up or stay outside. I replayed it a few times on my DVR, and I noticed that the Dallas backers read the play very quickly and jumped to the outside, which really prevented our pulling guards (Hamilton and Kuper) from reaching them as blocks. However, if Selvin had cut it up behind Kuper and Hamilton, then they would have had them sealed outside and normally that would make for a very good gain (assuming the other blockers made their blocks). But as you said, Clady did a poor job at the backside cut and his man was pursuing down the line to fill that hole. My guess though is Selvin did not see Clady’s man coming down the line. In my opinion Selvin just forced the run outside from the get go, and that he was not reading the linebackers effectively.

This one play illustrates a couple of things. One, how much more complicated and difficult run blocking is compared to dropback passing. I mean blocks are made on the run, and the runningbacks have to make proper reads, and if just one guy is off, the play can be blown. Two, Hall is more willing to run inside and has better vision and/or run blocking reading skills. I think Hall is the better runner, but Selvin the better receiver and outside threat.

by The Gun Young on Aug 19, 2008 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Analysis styg!

I just got back to Alaska from Denver and this is the first thing on the MHR I have read and this very much mirrors my observations from practices and the Dallas game. I would only offer two comments. 1) I do not think Kuper’s hand is bothering him that much. I have no explanation for his up-down play. 2) Polumbus’ athleticism is a thing of beauty. I really hope he makes the team. Thanks for the great post styg!

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Aug 19, 2008 8:17 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome back man!

I hope you’ll write a nice big post about your travels to the holy city of Denver, during the holy month of training camp! ;)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 19, 2008 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Various thoughts.

No doubt our current line has more natural ability at pass blocking than run blocking. That was the scouting report on both Clady and Harris – who blocked for Quinn at Notre Dame.

However, I believe it takes longer for run blocking to come together, as you really have to play or practice full speed in pads to improve. And we know Shanny does not like to practice much in full pads, full go. On that thought, I think the run game improved some last week, and will continue to improve each week.

Regarding Kuper, I remember one play specifically ( a draw play on our second possession, when we were backed up near our endzone) where his cast affected his poor blocking. He had an initial good block set up, but then as Selvin Young cut off his block, Kuper’s man was able to detach himself from Kuper’s block fairly easily to make an ankle tackle. I also saw a couple of other plays where Kuper’s man seemed to detach themselves fairly easy. I think Dallas was picking on him cause they knew he was one handed.

And although I know styg50 knows, most fans do not realize how much holding makes for effective blocking in the NFL. Of course they do not call it holding if the hands are inside the shoulders. But guys are latching on for sure. You see this legal holding all the time on the edge. I remember an early outside run Dallas had, where our corner had leverage, but he could not separate from the block, and we gave up like 8-10 yards.

However, that aside, I think Holland would be the starter if he had not showed up so over weight. From last year’s performance, their is not doubt Holland is our best run blocker. However, I do remember plays in the passing game last year, where DTs could use speed to get around his pass block. He was especially vulnerable in drop back passing, when our offensive tackle was isolated on a wide rushing DE, then Holland’s man could use outside speed rush on him in the lane that opened up on his outside.

I think the combination of Holland being overweight, Kuper being a better pass blocker (which is our priority now), and the leeway Kuper may be getting right now because of his cast, has kept Kuper as our current starter. Of course Holland has a bigger contract and that does figure in if a guy is not making himself a clear number one. But there is still time for Holland to change things. I think either guy will do a fine job overall.

by The Gun Young on Aug 19, 2008 8:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

You make a good point Gun

regarding holding and how Kuper’s hand is advesely affecting his play. When I stated “I do not think Kuper’s hand is bothering him that much.” I was referring to his pain and tollerance to pain. That cast ceratinly keeps him from holding and Dallas would be happy to take advantage of a weakness. Make no mistake, the first half of that game was our best against thier best and we gave a good account of ourselves.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Aug 19, 2008 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome post, Styg... thanks!

This is really cool analysis for those of us who haven’t gotten to see much and who aren’t used to scrutinizing the line play in such detail. I’m encouraged by what I’m hearing and curious to see how they’ll develop (hopefully steps forward not back) against the Pack.

by Broncs Cheer on Aug 19, 2008 11:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Just wow!

Even slowing down plays on DVR I’m finding it difficult to track individual linemen as a play develops. I’m amazed that you can see so much detail. Maybe with practice I’ll get better at it. In the meantime I absolutely loved your analysis. The comments are pretty insightful, too. We’ve got some pretty knowledgeable fans here. It seemed to me, too, that the pass blocking was better than the run blocking, but I wasn’t able to see what was happening in as much detail as you and a couple of others have shown. It does occur to me that, given the intricate timing and cooperation needed, it makes sense that our run blocking wouldn’t be as far along as our pass blocking at this point. Great stuff. I’ll be looking forward to analyses of other positions.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Aug 20, 2008 10:17 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

He Who Licks Ten Tigers?

You always can make me laugh, Styg. That alone was worth a rec. Oh yeah, and I guess the stats breakdown was kinda, sorta adequate too. Maybe. =P

P.S. Why not ’Steiger?

by Arturo Bandini on Aug 20, 2008 10:52 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Ten Tigers works

“He’s as strong as Ten Tigers”
“He’s as cunning as Ten Tigers”
“He’s as agile as Ten Tigers”

This list coudl go on in somany ways!

" He goes against Champ everyday." -Jay Cutler

Davis to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Aug 20, 2008 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark Schlereth on our blocking

An ex-Bronco & analyst offers his take on run V. pass blocking, as part of the general subject of why we’re passing more this year.

Zappa takes up the subject of the growing predominance of the pass in our offense in Thoughts on Philosophy and Beastliness

Schlereth’s take is that we’re installing pass blocking first and for a reason.

Mark Schlereth had a different perspective on the Broncos’ first two preseason games. He noticed fullback Cecil Sapp and Graham staying in on most plays for extra protection. With the inexperienced Ryan Harris at right tackle and Ryan Clady at left tackle, Schlereth believes the Broncos are throwing more in the preseason because they want to sort out their protection packages.

Schlereth also thinks we’ll be using a running back by committee running attack, and I agree wholeheartedly.

“I think the Broncos feel pretty confident that they know how to run the ball,” Schlereth said. “I think you’ll still see the Broncos run the ball 25 to 30 times a game. It just might be three guys who get those carries.”

by Colinski on Aug 20, 2008 3:51 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

If anyone knows what's going on that isn't a Bronco it would be Schlereth.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 20, 2008 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Stink

He is tough on Denver. But i heard him on the Colin Cowturd radio show earlier this calendar year explain that he is tough on the Broncos because they are the best organization in the NFL and he wants them to be as good as they were when he was a Bronco. Plus he has stated he does think they are on the road back to dominace.

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 20, 2008 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Styg

I’m so uneducated about good O-Line play; it’s great to see good breakdowns so it can help me know what to look for. Some stuff is obvious but other stuff not so much.

Couple of questions:
When did Clady’s knockdowns occur? If you don’t have exact time/play then you can give me a general idea and I’ll just watch through again.

What exactly is a “stunt”? I assume it has something to do with defenders “switching” the gap they would be perceived to be set up to take.

When did the stunt occur that you commented on Hamilton dropping back into the pocket and Clady powering his man down the line of scrimmage occur?

Do you have breakdowns of how many snaps each lineman played? If so, do you also have how many were rushes and how many passes?

Thanks Styg, great work!

by poorboywilly on Aug 20, 2008 5:52 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

TE grades?

Styg, it is really fun to dig into football analysis like this. Thanks for providing this data. I am wondering if you have blocking grades on the TEs?

In watching our starters possessions 3-5 again (I love DVRs), when we did not score, and when Graham was out, I noticed our TEs got blown up in the run game. Most of the time it was Nate Jackson. You could see he was working hard, and always seemingly in the right position initially, and on the right man. But often times the defender just threw him aside after the initial engagement. Then that defender usually blew up the run play. It reminded me of a couple of things.

One, our TEs are expected to play huge roles in our run blocking scheme. There were a number of times our TE was assigned to block down on a DT or MLB. Other times they were asked to kick out a DE. Thats pretty much regular offensive line play.

Two, we really need Graham, and maybe Mustard as a backup, cause Nate Jackson, and probably Scheffler too, are just no match for DEs and DTs. If Graham plays 3 quarters this week, I’ll bet you anything our run game, and pass blocking, look a lot better. People think we overpaid for Graham because he is not catching 50 balls a season. But I think his blocking is a lot more valuable to the team.

What are your thoughts?

by The Gun Young on Aug 20, 2008 10:24 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

LICHTENSTEIGER

needs to be shortened to Liger

What’s a Liger?

He’s pretty much my favorite animal. He’s like a lion and a tiger mixed… bred for his skills in magic.

you could also go with Kory the Liger, like Tony the Tiger.

He’s grrrreat.

by Sneaky Sean on Aug 24, 2008 5:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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