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Nate Webster Vs. Niko Koutouvides - My Impressions


Webster gets the first shot at MLB

The Broncos made some decisions yesterday regarding some of the positional battles that have been going on all summer.  Based on what I saw when I was in Denver, combined with what we have seen on the field, I have to say I am a bit surprised at some of the decisions the Broncos' Brass made.

I will create a separate post for each one, starting with....

Nate Webster over Niko Koutouvides at MLB -- There is little doubting the energy Webster brings to the football field.  There is also little chance an entire game or practice can go by without Nate losing his helmet.  The energy and flying head-gear have become synonomous with Webster, who has gone from a player looking to resurrect an injury plagued career to the starting Middle Linebacker of the Denver Broncos in the span of a few seasons.

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His competition was brought in this off-season for the express reason of becoming the starting MLB, signed as a free agent from the Seattle Seahawks.  Niko doesn't play with the pure emotion that Webster does, but he showed during the pre-season that he could be exactly what the Broncos thought he would be - a fundamentally sound, intelligent player, who may not make the big play, but won't give up the big play either. 

The competition seemed to go back and forth, with both players alternating with the first team during workouts and games.  It was my opinion that Niko had actually performed better than Webster, both individually and as a team defense.  The defense seemed to play with a steady consistency with Niko in the middle, while Webster's bunch seemed to be up and down, making the big play, then missing a tackle.  In the end, the coaches took the latter option, perhaps preferring the big risk/reward that Webster provides over the "slow and steady wins the race" brought by K-Tou.

Regardless of who starts opening night, I still feel the MLB situation is a fluid one for the Broncos.  Should Webster struggle the Broncos would waste no time bringing K-Tou in to steady the ship.  In my younger days, Webster would definitely have been the more attractive option, but with parenthood came the slow and steady preference.  I feel the Broncos are more in need of fundamentals then flash, but it will be Webster that gets the first crack at helping Broncos fans forget Al Wilson.

True, we never will forget Al, but lets hope Webster or K-Tou sees to it that we don't wish for Big Al's return.

Poll
Who Would You Rather Have As The Starting MLB?
Nate Webster
176 votes
Niko Koutouvides
262 votes

438 votes | Poll has closed

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Impossible vote for me..

It’s a tie for me. But if you call Niko the steady one – I would go with him too. I think the 2008 Denver Defense is all about solidness. At least the front 7: Hold your own and let Champ and Dre’/Fox make the plays. The offense can take us far, therefore the defense must focus on not loosing the game.

Remember: New England won 18 last year; Oakland's won 19 in a half-decade
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!

by Claus Vestergaard on Aug 26, 2008 11:11 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Front 6

I Think it will Champ and DJ to be honest that make the big plays! Doom also factors in on big plays!

" He goes against Champ everyday." -Jay Cutler

Davis to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Aug 26, 2008 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really see flaws in both players, but I think Webster brings some fire

Niko is just too slow to react, watching game film he takes poor angles a lot of times or simply gets out ran to a position by the running back. I think Webster also takes poor angles and has some very poor tackling technique, but what he can do is provide energy to the defense by making a big hit or big play, something Niko just doesn’t have. I believe that both of these guys are not destined for long careers with the Broncos, I am guessing that MLB will be a top priority in next year’s draft. Hopefully Webster can improve on the technique and become a more complete player this year, but I am not counting on it.

Broncoman

by Broncoman on Aug 26, 2008 11:16 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I will bury my pessimism for now. Despite what I said below,

I will give Nate Webster the benefit of the doubt for now. Let’s see what happens come September 8th.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 26, 2008 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good comment, as usual, TSG . . .

I have gone so far as to wonder whether Webster will get cut eventually. But now that the Broncos have inserted him into the starting lineup, I like the idea of adding the energy to the defense.

We might remember Al Wilson and the energy he brought. Wilson also had to learn not to overrun plays, and he always did have occasional problems in wrapping up the ball carrier. But he could fire up a defense, and he was a vicious hitter.

That is Nate. Maybe that is what they see in Nate. It just might turn out better than what we have expected.

Never pass up the opportunity to keep your mouth shut. - my daddy

by AZDynamics on Aug 26, 2008 11:23 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nate is also just as old as Big Al

and not NEAR the capablility as he was 3 years ago!

" He goes against Champ everyday." -Jay Cutler

Davis to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Aug 26, 2008 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not worried about his age . . .

Webster doesn’t have all that many miles on him because of his injuries.

Regarding his capabilities, I had my preconceptions, too, but the coaches are the ones who saw him perform day after day on the field; I’m not. Fact is, Shanny flew in the face of Niko’s big contract and put what he saw as the better player on the field, at least for now.

After all the negative stuff I wrote about Webster, I now feel strangely confident. If nothing else, there is a lot of energy on that defense.

Never pass up the opportunity to keep your mouth shut. - my daddy

by AZDynamics on Aug 26, 2008 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its all good

but i do think our MLB situation is solved by week 3!

" He goes against Champ everyday." -Jay Cutler

Davis to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Aug 26, 2008 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Webster...

..isn’t likely to sustain an injury leading to permanant paralysis or death either. That gives him a little edge over Wilson (and explains why Wilson gets no looks from any teams).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 26, 2008 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Webster taking over the reigns, I really see major problems coming our way...

If Niko isn’t strong enough at MLB and Webster is strong enough at MLB then that spells disaster this year for us. My hope is that Slowik will be able to coach us into good positions to hide the fact that we have no talent at the most important position on defense. That’s a thought that scares the crap out of me. I will be looking for a high draft pick next year concerning this position or a high profile FA at the very least.

With our offense being the juggernaut it is this year, hopefully they’ll be able to mask the problems we might face on defense. I wonder how many 38-35 games we will see this year. I better start exercising now and get my heart in good shape.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 26, 2008 11:28 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Take a deep breath, my friend . ..

Things aren’t all that bad. Webster is recognized to have talent. He hits hard and has speed. He just tends to get a bit excited at times, is all. But as long as he just can be competent, that is all the Broncos need. There is plenty of talent around him. From the performances of the run defense in the Dallas and GB games, it looks as if that has improved, and that is what is important, isn’t it?

Never pass up the opportunity to keep your mouth shut. - my daddy

by AZDynamics on Aug 26, 2008 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did...see above. :)

Thank you for the words of encouragment. I need all I can get right now. The Gaps!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 26, 2008 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why I picked Webster

Maybe I’ve just seen more of him, as he has been with the Broncos longer, but what I have seen is steady improvement during last season. He is definitely fiery and seems to leave it all out on the field. He seems coachable due to his steady improvement, and I once again look forward to him progressing this season from mediocre to pretty good.

There is no denying the missed tackles and blown plays, but I will accept failures so long as there is progress. Also, given our dominant looking offense this season, I would rather have a defense that gets their business done quickly (turnover, punt, or TD) than one that slowly gets pushed down the field, so that the offense can have as many opportunities with the ball as possible.

by unkown on Aug 26, 2008 11:52 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry unk, but that seems a bit desperate to me.

Let them score quickly so we can get the offense back on the field. Doesn’t that sound like Green Bay’s strategy at the end of Super Bowl 32?

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Aug 26, 2008 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very True, TJ

And if Favre were 1/10 the QB that Elway was it would have worked, perhaps….Another, in the long, long list of reasons that Favre is O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D!

-TSG

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by John Bena on Aug 26, 2008 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 26, 2008 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean

You are not a Favre all this time. Oh man, I did not see that coming. I feel foolish =)

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 26, 2008 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guffaw!

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Aug 26, 2008 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

guffaw!

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Aug 26, 2008 1:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Strategically

I kinda like the move.

Although I tend to agree with TSG about the less exciting, more reliable option being preferable, I can see the reasons to throw Webster out there first. Webster is a huge injury risk, not the kinda guy you want to throw into the mix in the middle of the season and have to rely on (with no legit backup behind him).

It seems like Niko is less injury prone and will perform on special teams and continue learning the system while awaiting his opportunity. If the past is any indicator, there is a good chance he gets it at some point this season.

by jonahsilas on Aug 26, 2008 1:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Niko laid it on the line . . .

He said Nate got the job because Nate made plays and he (Niko) didn’t. He said that was the bottom line.

That might have been at the bottom of the staff’s overlooking Nate’s occasional whiff?

Never pass up the opportunity to keep your mouth shut. - my daddy

by AZDynamics on Aug 26, 2008 2:31 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

to all.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 26, 2008 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Webster's advantage

once he made enough of a commitment to make it close in the first place, was his familiarity with the system. As Koutouvides becomes more familiar with the system he might move ahead of Webster and/or he might take over if Webster gets dinged and be impossible to dislodge. At any rate, I thought Niko showed a lot of maturity and class in his reaction to not getting the nod. That’s the kind of attitude that makes for a nondysfunctional lockerroon.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Aug 26, 2008 3:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Makes you wonder

how Niko will play against arizona…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 26, 2008 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly would like to see him play with some heart.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Aug 26, 2008 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This game should be very revealing ...

If Niko is a real competitor, he should go into the game with a chip on his shoulder.

I look for him to kill some people out there . . .

Never pass up the opportunity to keep your mouth shut. - my daddy

by AZDynamics on Aug 26, 2008 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

at the cost of being "patient" even

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 26, 2008 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ultimately,

you are right. I always defer to the coach after airing my opinion. Shanahan is the real deal.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 26, 2008 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why I Voted Niko

Let’s face it: Neither one of them played spectacularly. They were both rather pedestrian, both whiffing on tackles. Nate made a few more plays but there’s a lot more to playing LB than getting tackles. DJ Williams said he like having Niko on the field because of his leadership and I take that as an endorsement for Niko to eventually win the job.

I miss Al

by birkheac on Aug 26, 2008 8:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That means the most to me as well

MLB is as much about leadership as it is with getting the hits. Getting the defense in the right spots to make the plays (whether it’s the MLB making the play or not) is what really matters.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I wouldn't say he's nowhere near T.O." - Pacman Jones on Brandon Marshall

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano from DP Comments

by DesertBroncoFan on Aug 27, 2008 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is what I said on another site....I am not stoked about Webster.

I am NOT stoked on this call.

Nate Webster is a solid back up, but he generally over pursues in defense and misses a lot of tackles, which hangs the whole secondary out to dry.

Niko Koutouvides is new to the system, so I am glad he will play against the Cardinals, but Niko is always around the ball, and ALWAYS sheppards the play back into areas where plays can be made by the defense. This is the major role. MLB controls the flow of the defense, and identifies what the offense is doing. I think he has done this very well, and as DJ Williams said himself, the defense took a step up against the Cowboys when Niko was the starter.

How does everyone out there think our DB play looked against Green Bay? I thought it looked disorganized and easily read with no pressure form our DB’s what so ever. Nate Webster was the starting MLB.

I hope I am wrong, but I would feel a lot more comfortable with Niko.

he has to get a little more smarter with his gaps and his overall game knowledge."

Thats my biggest problem with going with Webster at MLB. He does not have the football IQ or game knowledge Niko has.

Thats why he over pursues all the time. It is not the MLB job to be fast off the snap all the time…he needs to be able to read when to be explosive and when to be able to hold back and plug holes. This waht makes me so nervous about him.

Has he worked hard? Damn straight.

Do I like the guy? Who can not. He’s a personality and I route for him, but he is more suited at Will or Sam than at MLB. I dont think his feel for the game is good enough.

Hope I am wrong man, and I will cheer heartily for him reagrdless

Thanks, and sorry for para-phrasing, but thats how I see it.

by boydy2669 on Aug 26, 2008 8:45 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

DB Play

Except for Bly, I think the DBs did pretty well. No glaring problems, other than Bly’s lack of tackling skills.

Most of the Packers throws were underneath. I don’t remember them throwing toward Champ, but I don’t think he was in very long.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I wouldn't say he's nowhere near T.O." - Pacman Jones on Brandon Marshall

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano from DP Comments

by DesertBroncoFan on Aug 27, 2008 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

The Broncos were giving them anything they wanted underneath.

Who knows, maybe it was even by request. It highlighted some weaknesses in our strongside backups when it comes to switching guys going through zones.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 27, 2008 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problems with Bly

WOW! I never would have seen that coming before. Its not like he can tackle or cover.

(please if there is a god in heaven let the Broncos secondary be good this year in SPITE of Bly)

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 27, 2008 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

by bringing in Foxworth

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I wouldn't say he's nowhere near T.O." - Pacman Jones on Brandon Marshall

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano from DP Comments

by DesertBroncoFan on Aug 27, 2008 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

niko didnt step up,plus mlb is nate webster natraul postion

by king249 on Aug 27, 2008 1:35 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that all of the concerns mentioned about...

…are trumped by the energy that Webster brings to the field. The thing that our defense has lacked more than anything is energy and intensity. They often play flat. If someone like Webster can get this defense even a little more amped, then that more than compensates for a couple of missed tackles or gap assignments.

by UnarmingMermaid on Aug 27, 2008 2:33 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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