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NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports that Brandon Marshall has been suspended three games for violations of the Personal Conduct Policy, but could have it reduced to two by agreeing to undergo counseling. Not so bad. Assuming Marshall takes up the counseling offer (no guarantee with his checkered decision-making history), he'll only miss Denver's Week 1 game at Oakland and San Diego at home in Week 2. However, Marshall has a DUI trial on Sept. 24 pending. If he's guilty, more discipline may be in order.    Compliments of www.rotoworld.com

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Not so bad

I would think the Broncos admin would have bmarsh in counceling already. Seems like the most logical thing to do. My trade with Styg isn’t looking to bad. I gave him Roy Williams for Bmarsh.

"I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together." - The Beatles

by Denver_Native on Aug 3, 2008 10:07 PM MDT   0 recs

I don't agree

Well maybe I’m biased, but I think it is too harsh. I don’t think he should have been suspended at all. He wasn’t convicted of anything yet. Goodell should have waited until he was convicted. Well, I guess it will give Royal more playing time.

by BroncoBryce on Aug 3, 2008 10:20 PM MDT   0 recs

Good point on Royal playing time.

This will be a blessing for both Marshall and Royal.

"I am he, as you are he, as you are me, and we are all together." - The Beatles

by Denver_Native on Aug 3, 2008 10:32 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

This will be Royal's chance

to show what he can do and gives Marshall extra time to heal even though we really need him since the first two games are against division rivals.

It sounds official because I saw it on the ticker on NFL Network, yet not on ESPN. However, Schefter pretty much knows what’s going on. If it is official, just released early, at least he gets one game taken away by going to counseling. I guess we’ll find out tomorrow if it is set in stone.

by weazel on Aug 4, 2008 1:18 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

If i'm understanding this correctly...

...he got 1 game?

Hallelujah!!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Aug 3, 2008 11:30 PM MDT   0 recs

Nope...

I didn’t understand it correctly…I thought it said “could have it reduced by two”, not “could have it reduced to two”.

I’m an idiot! : )

by UnarmingMermaid on Aug 3, 2008 11:43 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Nevertheless...

Two is not so bad…

We can beat the Raitards without Bmarsh and SD is a tough game either way!

by UnarmingMermaid on Aug 3, 2008 11:45 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Real disappointing

That’s 2 games we will be underdogs in and have to play extremely well to win now. I know the first one is with the lowly Raiders, but if we don’t have our best weapon on offense I think it’s 50/50 we pull out a win there with all the questions we have on defense. I was really, really excited for the start of the season, and still am, but this is a real downer. Man, I knew this was coming and I’m still extremely disappointed and feel like I just got kicked in the gut 3 times with steel-toed boots.

Please stay out of trouble from now on Brandon Marshall. This city is more than ready to embrace and rally behind you as the next Bronco superstar, and, whether you think the suspension is fair or not, you let the team and the fans down. Don’t put yourself in a position to be at Roger Goodell’s mercy, ever.

by RyanBuff on Aug 3, 2008 11:31 PM MDT   0 recs

what are YOU talking about?

We’re underdogs against the Raiders according to who? You need a nap or something bro.

Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.

by kwool79 on Aug 4, 2008 1:14 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

Denver will be favored with or without #15. I just hope Russells favorite receiver in that game is Champ!

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 1:16 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Because of 2007

I forget what kind of player Champ is when he is getting picks. And I know you are not a fan of Bly, but I can’t resist thinking of his potential in the proper system as well, with his teriffic man-coverage skills…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Aug 4, 2008 1:52 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I was just thinking

That he would be on Walker and would be hoping that Russell would be forcing the ball to him so Walker could have his “revenge” against denver

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 1:54 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

IF

walker doesn’t retire before then… :)

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Aug 4, 2008 1:55 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Something I forgot until youu said that...

Champ eats young QBs for breakfast. Seriously, when you see who he gets his picks against they usually come when some punk kid gets cocky and pushes to his side… The first game could see some ugly offensive series’. Here’s hoping…

by JR_G on Aug 5, 2008 7:05 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

here is my take

Dont hate me too much but 1 or 2 games from godell mr I change the severity of my punishment depending on the team would be a blessing. If somehow marshall got nothing but a lsap and warnign that next time hes busted then he gets locked up at dove valley every night and let out for practice and games. The rest of the time he is either at dove valley or under the care of Rod Smith or his Mommy. They should be the only two allowed to sign him out of dove valley

Until Terrell Davis makes it into the Hall of Fame, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of such a place other than the Ring of Fame at Mile High!

Davis to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Aug 3, 2008 11:50 PM MDT   0 recs

?

Why did I read on the RM News that even after Schefter’s “report,” the NFL office responded that nothing official has been decided, and that Marshall, nor the Broncos have been informed yet? What is up with that. Either the NFL Office lets crap leak out, before official decisions are made, which is a poor reflection on the NFL (poor character by someone I might add, and poor conduct that might need a policy written). Or Adam Schefter likes blowing smoke and hoping for fire. Yes, I know, Adam has always been a very good reporter, and a former Bronco Beat writer. But something is not consistent or right here.

If it is true, does anyone know what rights the player has to appeal. I remember when that steroid user in San Diego got busted he appealed just to buy time for his team, so he could play in the tougher upcoming games. I think we need Brandon more for game 1 & 2, then game 3 & 4. So they should appeal.

by The Gun Young on Aug 3, 2008 11:55 PM MDT   0 recs

according to the link i posted above

the official ruling will be made tomorrow so until then im not panicking or celebrating

by broncofan91 on Aug 4, 2008 12:10 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

How can the NFL judge

someone for poor character then allow a possible slip of information to get out early-thats shows some POOR character to me on the NFL’s behalf . Shanny has to appeal—we may end up better off because of the slippage if Shanny screams LOUD enough

by okiebroncosfan on Aug 4, 2008 12:04 AM MDT   0 recs

2 Wrongs don't make a right.

It doesn’t excuse Marshall. 2 games, if accurate, is lucky.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 4, 2008 3:08 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

In all of this

we must always be wary about making excuses for Marshall. It doesn’t benefit him and it WILL betray the Broncos in the long run. (Not marshall, but fans making excuses for him. I don’t think Marshall has a betrayal bone in his whole body. He does have a bone in his head, but I think it is just a regular type.)

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Aug 4, 2008 1:28 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

styg Good point. However...

The good side of Marshall has really been making an effort to become the dominant side. He was an idiot to let the problems get to this point, ‘wake-up call AGAIN?’ I am sick and tired of reading about it—and maybe that’s the issue. As our country continues this funny march towards a police state my brain strains to remember a time when news like this only hit the local papers. Outside of Denver, the ‘Mainline Media’ and ‘National sports Whatevers’ have completely ignored the fun, love and enthusiasm Brandon has when working with kids at various community projects. In this day only bad news is good news.

I, in no way, deffend Brandon for what this is—but I hope Goodell thinks of Rob as we do, and that now he is Brandon’s mentor Goodell will give Marshall a chance.

by Mike Clark on Aug 4, 2008 10:04 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

What you are referring to

I have taken to calling the “Brandon Smile.” To see him smile is to get a good idea about what kind of kid he is.

Sappy, I know, but there is something very tragic in his character that makes me look for that kind of symbolism. The day he stops smiling is the day we lose him.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Aug 4, 2008 10:07 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Styg I refer to this funny march towards a police state

Little things should not even be news. This country has been brainwashed into believing that people cannot grow up without Government involvement and the rules that follow. “I’m from the Government let me help.” Its just filtering into football—and I hate to see it happen.

by Mike Clark on Aug 4, 2008 10:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Anarchy starts with Hypocrisy

I think Harvey Steinberg could do battle with the NFL. He got the first Travis Henry ruling overturned. So I think he could get this reduced to one game, or at least delayed.

by The Gun Young on Aug 4, 2008 12:18 AM MDT   0 recs

Delayed suspension

Some one mentioned in an earlier thread, that the Broncos could appeal the suspension, and thereby delay it untill the appeal had been heard. Any chances of that?

I would really like to have Marshall against SD, and then give him 2 games rest later in the season.

by Jeeeeens on Aug 4, 2008 3:27 AM MDT   0 recs

meanwhile, MerShawn Lynch gets a slap on the wrist for committing

what WAS a felony hit and run. But hey, the NFL condones drinking and driving and hitting innocent bystanders, but no we can’t have domestic issues between a player and his girlfriend. I do not condone either personally, but I also despise double standards and the NFL is becoming a double standard to me.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08

by Zappa on Aug 4, 2008 9:44 AM MDT   0 recs

Then Marcus Thomas

should have been suspended as well for being in a car with a friend who possessed drugs.

When it comes to Lynch, blame the D.A. They agreed to a plea deal that had him admit to being guilty of nothing more than a traffic violation. As Goodell said, traffic violations are not in the conduct policy.

Marshall is going to get sent to his room for being a repeat “offender”. Sure, he hasn’t been “convicted” of anything, but 8 different instances with police involving serious crimes. Yes, I consider domestic violence a serious crime.

The point is, if you repeated show up in the police blotter you are going to get suspended. Sure, maybe the girl is a psycho and she baited him into the first time. What about the second? The third? The fourth? The fifth? The sixth in March of this year?

I have felt all along it would be two games and that anything more would be overkill. I really think, in the end, in this instance, it is the best for the LONG TERM future of Marshall and the Broncos…

-TSG

www.milehighreport.com

by TheSportsGuru on Aug 4, 2008 9:56 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Gonna agree here

Marshall almost NEEDS to get the two games just to realize he needs to pull his head out of his butt

Until Terrell Davis makes it into the Hall of Fame, I refuse to acknowledge the existence of such a place other than the Ring of Fame at Mile High!

Davis to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Aug 4, 2008 9:58 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Arrested yes, Charged no

"It's all over Fat Man"

- Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

by DesertBroncoFan on Aug 4, 2008 10:35 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm going to agree with Guru too.

I rely on my experience as a former prosecutor and defense lawyer, but more heavily on my experience as a father of eleven kids. And to tell you the truth, Brandon Marshall reminds me more of a kid than a thug.

Some kids just don’t get into trouble. Some do but are clever enough not to get caught. I’ve got a couple of kids like that. Obviously Marshall is not one of these. Some can’t stay out of trouble. I’ve got one like that too. I don’t think Marshall is one of these either. Some make a mistake and learn with little or no discipline; again not Marshall.

But there is another group. They’re not really evil, just, what?... exuberant. They need to know where you really draw the line and you need to draw it with a firm hand. Once you do that they know and usually, though not always, never test that particular line again. This, I think, is Brandon Marshall. Occassionally he is going to be a pain, but on the whole he is going to be a joy and when all is said and done, I believe the good will outweigh the bad. Isn’t that true of almost all long term relationships?

We’re going to be glad he was on this team.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Aug 4, 2008 10:56 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

And while I'm playing Dad...

...if this young woman is a big part of the problem, I’d be chewing his ear night and day about finding somebody else. Maybe right now he thinks she’s “The One”, but “The One” doesn’t do things like that to you, at least not very often. Your folks told you there are millions of fish in the sea and they were right. You don’t have to settle for less. Keep looking until you do find that special someone.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Aug 4, 2008 11:03 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

a jerry springer moment

TJ, I could have sworn I was reading a Jerry Springer sign off there!

Your words are, of course, very true

by Orange & Blue Badger on Aug 4, 2008 11:07 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

You framed this situation very well Jack. Thanks

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Aug 4, 2008 11:55 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Another agreement with Guru.

Zappa, we never agree. We don’t in this instance, but we’re always respectful. In my mind what you are saying should be an argument for M Lynch to get a bigger penalty, not to let Marshall off. The fact that everyone doesn’t get what’s coming to them doesn’t excuse the many poor choices Marshall has made. Like Guru, I expected about 2 games. I think Marshall is very lucky if that’s what he ends up with.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 4, 2008 1:43 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Appeal to delay?

The problem with appealing to delay the suspension is that we’re still a month away from MNF at Oakland. Any appeal would have to be made right away and should be decided well before September.

by bradley on Aug 4, 2008 9:55 AM MDT   0 recs

I would rather get the suspension out of the way now than drag it out to

mid or late season.

fader nation is a conquered nation

The creator of the following names:

conquered fader nation
Phyllis and his merry men

by mdierk on Aug 4, 2008 10:25 AM MDT   0 recs

get it over with

Definately agree, lets get the suspension out of the way and move on from it with a clean(ish) slate from week 3.

I think we have more than adequate depth to compete for the first two matches of the season and we should be looking to turn this to our advantage.

The upsides are an early look at Royal, an early chance for Colbert or Martinez to prove their worth to the team and more importantly, and optimistically, a fresher B-Marsh for the start of the playoffs.

by Orange & Blue Badger on Aug 4, 2008 10:51 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

get it done and move on. Any delay at all isn’t worth it. It breaks up practices, scheduling, game day rosters and everything in between. Let him start the season two weeks later with a blank slate.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Aug 4, 2008 1:04 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

One time of anything okay

The consistency Goodell has established is that a player can do anything once (probably even a a acquitted murder charge like Ray Lewis). But they can’t do anything 2-3 times (jaywalking, speeding, spitting in public). He has been consistent, but I am not sure it is just, fair, or more importantly to the league – effective.

There is some research for a fanatic to do. Can the league or someone demonstrated that off field player infractions have decreased since Goodell became hatchet man? Somehow I don’t think so. And of course the media attention has only increased and exaggerated every offense even more. So I believe the intent of this crazy policy – to improve the fan perception of NFL players has only worsened overall.

by The Gun Young on Aug 4, 2008 10:32 AM MDT   0 recs

In fairness...

...The Ray Lewis issue was well before the current policy.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 4, 2008 1:44 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

If fan perception is a problem...

..it is a problem with the behavior of some athletes. At least the NFL (unlike other sports leagues) looks like they are trying to address it. Blame the bad characters, not the ones trying to fix the problem.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 4, 2008 1:46 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont want to react

or overreact yet. Its hasnt been handed down, and I remember that Shefter has already said it was gonna be more so I will withhold my thoughts on the validity of the report. I think no matter what there is a disparity in the punishment by the Emperor, Darth Goodell. It seems to me felony hit and run, then refusing to speak to the authorities is a little worse than not being charged with a crime. Regardless of anyones opinion the bottom line is #15 has only on charge pending, the DUI. If the NFLPA was worth a darn they would be making a stink over #15. But what do you expect of a former fader. I will say this the Emperor needs to have a clear cut set of guidelines. I think this reeks. Shouldnt he be actually be guilty of a crime first? Why is it, that it took 2 DUI convictions before Jared Allen was suspended last year and #15 is gonna be gone with ZERO convictions? Dont preach to me because he has been arrested. That is BS!!!

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 11:50 AM MDT   0 recs

I never said...

It wasn’t B.S(though I don’t necessarily believe that it is), I simply stated that it IS part of the Conduct Policy and every player knows it.

If Brandon Marshall wants to avoid situations like this, DON’T GET THE POLICE CALLED ON YOU 8 TIMES! Period, end of story. This is a situation that reminds me of when there is an accident during a police chase. Blame the cops, forgetting that it was the people running from the cops that are really to blame.

The question isn’t whether or not it is FAIR. Life isn’t fair. It’s not fair that I can’t run as fast, jump as high, or grow as tall as Brandon Marshall. That’s not fair. I’ll say it again, the NFL is not acting on the 1st incident, the 2nd incident, the 3rd incident, the 4th incident, the 5th incident, the 6th incident, the 7th incident, they are reacting to the collective whole and they have been pretty consistent with it. If you are a REPEAT OFFENDER, meaning you repeatedly put yourself(and the League) in a bad light, the league will react.

From a football side. If this football team is as good as many around here say and the rest of us hope, then we’ll be able to overcome. Everyone will need to step up. This is no different than if Marshall would twist his knee a week before the Raider game. Let’s strap it on and focus on who we’ll have on September 8th and not who we won’t….

-TSG

www.milehighreport.com

by TheSportsGuru on Aug 4, 2008 12:21 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

See thats where we

are always going to disagree.
There is nothing right now that anyone can say to me thats going to make me agree while he hasnt been convicted of anything at all. That is my entire point. Now if and when he is convited (or pleads out) then by all means he should get suspended. But I cant understand how a player actually hits someone and runs then pleads down doesnt get anything?
Also to me a repeat offender is someone who is CONVICTED of a crime. He has not been convicted of anything yet.

From the football side I am not that concerned. If this team has Super Bowl aspirations it would and will need other players to step up. This isnt my beef at all. I thin, yes they will miss him, but this goes to the point of uneven handling by the NFL office

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 12:46 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair Enough....

My point is, and I completely understand your side, if you are given a set of obligations when you start emplyment and you know what the ramifications are if you don’t live up to those obligations, there should be no surprise when those ramifications come to pass. Fair/Unfair, RIght/Wrong. The NFL doesn’t play by the same rules as everyone else. The players have agreed to the way things are, so the best way to avoid trouble is to, well, avoid trouble.

-TSG

www.milehighreport.com

by TheSportsGuru on Aug 4, 2008 12:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I see

I do understand your point as well especially going in what could happen, especially with Jones and Henry as of late. I guess I am not understanding the leagues handling of issues. It seems to be inconsistent at best. That is really my biggest complaint. I am probably just tired of this being in the news. It will be nice to have this over

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 1:07 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

In line with Guru's point

It will be over when Brandon makes damn sure that its over, not before then. Shushing the media or disparaging Goodell doesn’t change the fact that Bmarsh brought this on himself with, at the very least, the immaturity of a teenager, if not something more serious.

I will go so far as to say that if a reporter digs up something in three weeks that happened while all of this was going down that nobody heard of yet, that will be on Marshall too. I’m not saying he needs to air everything out publicly, but if his employers and if Goodell have not had that kind of information disclosed to them now, when there is an opportunity to put it behind Marshall, then Marshall will have to reap what he sowed there as well.

It isn’t right or wrong, its just the nature of the beast.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Aug 4, 2008 1:17 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Crime plus media attention key

I agree that the player is primarily and ultimately responsible for any consequences to their behavior. However, the nature of the current beast is that media attention, distortion, pressure play a significant role in how the Commish rules on these situations. It is the only logical reason for the horribly inconsistent consequences he has handed out. If the Buffalo press at written an article every week for months, condemning M.Lynch for his actions (like the local Denver Press did to Marshall), then I believe the Commish would have suspended him. I don’t dismiss Marshall of blame. He will pay the consequences. But I also blame the local media, to which their are no consequences. That is why they need a policy that takes such power of media pressure out of the hands of reporters. A policy with automatic consequences would do the trick. Their would be an article about each incident and consequence. But because their would be no unkowns, then media sources could not go on, and on, distorting, and creating stirs about pending outcomes.

by The Gun Young on Aug 4, 2008 1:36 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

that the media is horribly influential, and that they practically fall over themselves for an opportunity to get the latest scoop n Marshall. And I brought up some considerations for your other points in a response below.

Part of the reason the media seemed to converge less on M.Lynch was that he had one incident whereas Marshall had six or more (I have lost count.) The Denver media has been well fed with small morsels.

My hope is that with a suspension or non-suspension out of the way, football will once again become the focus of the MSM. they have the best access and can do things that MHR currently cannot. It would be a shame if they continued on abusing that privelege…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Aug 4, 2008 1:49 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Inconsistency is not a defense.

Some people get pulled over and accept that they are responsible. But some get pulled over and whine that everyone else should get pulled over too.

A kid gets caught talking in class and abides by the teacher’s rebuke. But other types of kids complain about fairness because every other kid in the room isn’t caught.

Inconsistency is a given. It happens with parenting, courts, teaching, law enforcement, rulings on the field in sports, etc. The defense is so simple it’s moronic. Don’t get in trouble to begin with. And if you are Brandon Marshall, don’t get in trouble multiple times, then shift the blame for your consequences to someone else.

Hell, are we going to let murderers go now because some get life and some get 20 years? The sooner we stop mking excuses for the guy the sooner the team (and Marshall) can move on. Blaming the League for how they clean up his mess doesn’t help Marshall’s case. Blaming the media for bringing the information to our attention is off too. If Marshall wasn’t acting like an idiot, there would be no news.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 4, 2008 1:55 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree with you analogy

I cant see the comparison between a murderer and a guy who had the cops called and no charges filed. also remember this isnt a court of law, but the NFL conduct policy. It is inconsistent. My main thing is its inconsistent and I believe the league should act after a player has been convicted. I am in the minority and I am fine with that. It just my 2 cents

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 1:59 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The analogy is apt.

Everyone (from murders to kids who talk in class) don’t take responsibility for their actions (if they are irresponsible). It would be irresponsible (in my opinion) to shift the discussion of Marshall’s obvious failures to someone with a seperate issue.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 4, 2008 2:26 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Well. . .

How many murderers do actually ever take responsibility.
But I am getting hung up on, that we have not heard Marshalls side. So we dont know everything. But the MSM is quick to jump all over him. Now if he indeed did something wrong, I would hope he would take responsibility. But in maintaining his rights dont you think he has been advised not to comment on it? So in reality we dont know if he has admitted guilt? Maybe he has to Shanny and the Commish.

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 2:40 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not a court of law, it's public relations.

THe standard of proof isn’t an issue. The guy has had numerous brushes with the law, and this doesn’t help the NFL’s image.

It’s not just murderers though. Speeders and kids who talk in class also like to shift the blame to ”...Butwhat about the other guy?”

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 4, 2008 2:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I have never heard him

say anything. So is it fair to lump him in with those people yet? Maybe it is maybe it isnt. But passing the buck goes to a deeper problem. . . .
All I know is I have raised my kids to accept repsonsibility for their actions just like their dad has done. I have had my brushes and have accepted my responsibility. Never passed the buck. But back to the NFL’s image. Then should EVERYONE be punished if they get arrested

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 3:00 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not him saying it.

And you sound like a great dad!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 5, 2008 5:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I am

probably not really looking at this completely clearly. But I still say there is inconsistencies with the way all punishments are dealt with.
I think there needs to be more parenting today. There are too many excuses, nobody wants to be responsible anymore, Its always somebody elses fault.

(I meant to input that I am/have taught my kids they are responsible for everything they do, good or bad what they receive is based off their actions.)

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 5, 2008 6:29 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

One question

If he were a raider or charger would you still think that a suspension would be unfair?

by broncofan91 on Aug 4, 2008 5:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure would

I dont think the legue is consistent.

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 5:33 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Whats worse? Cheating or off-field infractions

A perfect example of how many have lost respect for the NFL leadership (Godall), and thus taken a less favorable perception of the NFL, is how they seem to be so much harder on off-field infractions versus purposeful cheating.

Hey if you want to talk the talk about Good Character, then you gotta be somewhat consistent, man, or else you are a characterless hypocrite. Perfect example is Belichik’s cheating, and Merriman’s cheating (performance enhancement). Do we all think the punishments for those crimes were equivalent and just compared to punishments for off-field crimes? I don’t. And I think many others also think the league has been too lenient is such situations. So what explains that? POLITICS – translation – disregarding higher independent principles of “what is right,” for decisions based on “what is best for us.” That is not true character, that is true politics. But hey who am I to judge Godall? Some think he will go down in history as our greatest commish ever.

by The Gun Young on Aug 4, 2008 5:35 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Also

Being arrested is one thing having charges and going to court is something different. It smacks of hypocrasy to me, or maybe something bigger. . . .

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 11:51 AM MDT   0 recs

There is a side...

of this I do agree with. I have been waiting to give my full opinion until A) The League reacts, and B) What their reasoning is….

-TSG

www.milehighreport.com

by TheSportsGuru on Aug 4, 2008 12:23 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Policy has been ineffective

I believe the Conduct Policy has been ineffective. I do not think there is a percentage decrease in off field player incidents. And I believe the Conduct Policy has actually created more scrutiny and attention to the incidents, so it has actually hurt the perception that the NFL employs thugs and criminals. Vick is the only one who got lasting consequences for his criminal behavior, but that was because it was the law handing it down, not the NFL. I think the NFL is making a mistake thinking that the Commish playing judge and jury is going to be a win in the long run for the league. Eventually, they will realize it has not been effective, and/or eventually they will loose a big or series of legal battles. If I was Marshall, I would for sure promise what ever percentage of future contracts Harvey Steinberg would want to take any and all legal action possible against the NFL, because they have not been consistent.