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Who would you replace???

Jayhawk_tiny by Denverjhawk on

In light of the weekends HOF festivities and the obvious nerve this touches in Bronco fans I wanted to pose a question for debate. 

I asked in a prior post why the Broncos fans feel so slighted by the media and HOF.  Again I want to give my disclaimer since I'm new around here that this is not meant to be rude or spiteful but I just want to get a little discussion going.  I received excellent responses to the post and some informative threads and articles to read about the subject and I thank those for their help.  Names like Floyd Little, Randy Gradishar, Lionel Taylor, Louis Wright, and Steve Atwater were thrown out there.  Also some have a strong opinion on Terrell Davis. 

This got me thinking...who would you replace???  What current HOF inductees of the same position would you replace with the deserving Bronco of your choosing and why? 

 

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For me it's easy....

Fred Biletnikoff(sp.) for Lionel Taylor.

No way Fred should be in there over Lionel. I could go into some of the other names, but to me these two are in two different stratosphere’s of talent and what they accomplished on the field.

The only thing Fred has that Lionel didn’t, was a superiorly talented team around him…

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08

by Zappa on Aug 4, 2008 10:43 AM MDT   0 recs

For some more info on my opinion see my past post on Lionel Taylor

http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/5/9/460225/mhr-s-forgotten-broncos-li

btw, there is also a link in there to Fred’s “stats” or lack thereof.

I wonder if anyone here is willing to compare Randy Gradishar’s stats to some of the other LB in the hof.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
The Quest ~ TSG 5/19/08

by Zappa on Aug 4, 2008 10:45 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Does longevity count?

Looking at the stats I think clearly Taylor had some amazing seasons…so does the longevity of Biletnikoff or any other players longevity of “success” count for more. Probably a similar argument with the Terrell Davis scenario.

by Denverjhawk on Aug 4, 2008 10:52 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Well TD

had just as long a career as Sayers, but has more Yards, TD’s, 2 time NFL offensive player of the year. So to me longevity is a BS requirement. But it comes down to those clowns that vote in the players

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 11:37 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't necessarily buy into it, since I didn't see Sayers play...

but the argument for Gayle is that he revolutionized the way the RB ran the ball. Also, he was an electric punt/kick returner.

Or so the Bear fans that I know (my wife and good friends) argue… ;)

by tunga77 on Aug 4, 2008 11:51 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Sayers has to get bonus points for being revolutionary, I don’t know if the same can be said for Terrell Davis.

by Denverjhawk on Aug 4, 2008 11:56 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

But did he make the bears any better

The answer is no, whereas TD made Denver a lot better. I am not trying to take anything away from Sayers but his last full season as a starter (1969) the bears were 1-13. His best season teamwise was 1965 when the Bears won 9 games and still finished 3rd. Plus he played 4 game in last 2 seasons. This is where i have my beef with TD being punished for longevity

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 12:00 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Good points

Certainly at straight face value if you look at Gale Sayers from and Terrel Davis from a longevity standpoint there is little differnece in the two.

by Denverjhawk on Aug 4, 2008 12:08 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Grew up with the Bears

Sayers made the Bears a ton better – there were lots of games where he was the only difference between winning and losing. No, the Bears didn’t have a strong team those years, but that’s a different thing. There record would have been far worse without him, and to me that’s the issue.

However, I think that TD should be in the HOF. There are only 5 players to break the 2000 mark in one season and three are in the HOF, one is still active. With his SB rings and the fact that he made it possible for Elway to shine even more and WIN those SBs, if he doesn’t make it it’s just East Coast prejudice. If he played for the Giants it would be a slam dunk, IMHO.

Atwater for the Hall!

by broncobear on Aug 4, 2008 12:31 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Honestly

since you saw him, I cant grasp something. I just cant see how in 69 they were 1-13 IMO he could not have been that much of a difference maker. Maybe I am wrong. Or did he change after the knee injury in his 3rd season? Does it kinda of parallel TD in a way?

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 12:49 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, it did. I know – you’d think from the record that it wasn’t much of a difference. The difference was – it seemed Sayers and Butkus were the Bears in each one’s time. Piccolo helped in degree, but these were really weak teams. Bobby Douglas, in his time, was a great running back, but unfortunately he was supposed to be playing QB. Sad, really – with a better line and a QB worth the name, Sayers would have had scary numbers.

Granted, this was a long time ago and memories fade a little. But I cearly recall bitter winter’s days at Wrigley Field before they went to Soldier Field, and Sayers and Butkus hooked me on Football. Of course, soon after I found the Broncos and the original Mile High Stadium

Atwater for the Hall!

by broncobear on Aug 4, 2008 3:07 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Broncobear...

I noticed your tagline was Atwater for the Hall…who would you replace???

by Denverjhawk on Aug 4, 2008 3:11 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a good question, my friend

My honest anser is that I don’t think of this as a subtraction exercise, although it’s fun to consider. Taylor, Little and Atwater, as well as TD, have, IMHO, every reason to be in the Hall.

Most of my knowlege is around the Broncs, but if I was as conversant with every team, I’d want the above Broncos and lots of other fellows in the Hall. Too many? Maybe. But if they are deserving, we might not want to ‘ration’ the numbers. If they had a HOF career, let them be enshrined.

Atwater for the Hall!

by broncobear on Aug 4, 2008 8:02 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Dodged that one nicely...

Just giving you a hard time…by the way I dig the Sayers and Bobby Douglas mentions as you can probably tell from my name I am a Kansas Jayhawk grad and both of those are some of our few good players in our football programs history.

by Denverjhawk on Aug 4, 2008 8:29 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Low Blow

I suppose our recent football success and dominating of CU in basketball should more than account for why it doesn’t bother me to much coming from a buffalo fan.

by Denverjhawk on Aug 5, 2008 8:41 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll stick with a sport you can follow

in terms of football it is interesting to note that KU has produced more Pro Football HOF’s and equal the college inductees of the Buffalo’s

by Denverjhawk on Aug 6, 2008 9:28 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Were you aware

that Sayers and Floyd Little were contemporaries? They even went head-to-head one time. Syracuse beat Kansas 38-8. Little scored five touchdowns of 2,3.15,19, and 55 yards. It was Floyd Little’s first game as starter for Syracuse. Floyd considered it an honor to even play against the great Gale Sayers.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Aug 5, 2008 7:51 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Postseason

Not to mention that TD essentially wracked up a entire season’s worth of yards in 8 postseason games with an insane ypc (5.6). It’s great that TD has gotten to the semi-finalist rounds a few times now, but its hard for me to fathom why they wouldn’t vote him in on the pure basis that he was became that much more dominant later in games but also later in seasons, when it counted most and when he was supposedly going against the best of the best.

by tunga77 on Aug 4, 2008 12:51 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Sayers/TD

Gale Sayers was an absolutely amazing running back. Not quite the moves of Barry Sanders, not quite the power of TD – somewhere in between. Some of the plays he made, on a weak team, were mind boggling. That said, TD was the better RB. He had moves, power, and good speed for his size. It’s a damn shame he got hurt on a fluke play (he made a tackle after a turnover, and then Lepsis fell on his leg) and that basically ended his career. Otherwise, he might still be playing. But anyone that has run for over 2,000 yards should be in the HOF, even if he only played one year. Let me add, that if Sayers had been on the 97 or 98 Broncos, he’d have gained over 2,000 a year also.

by bradley on Aug 4, 2008 1:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

you can thank Brian "high wonderlic score" Griese for that one!

fader nation is a conquered nation

The creator of the following names:

conquered fader nation
Phyllis and his merry men

by mdierk on Aug 4, 2008 2:34 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Not the only thing

The other thing Fred had around him was two pounds of glue all over his uniform. He couldn’t have caught half those balls without that sticky salve he had on.

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Aug 6, 2008 11:16 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I would definitely have Gradishar in over Harry Carson.

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Aug 4, 2008 10:56 AM MDT   0 recs

carson

Carson was a multiple probowl player (although there is of course eastcoast bias there too), but more importantly he did win the big one with the Giants. That ring means a lot to the committee and is certainly a point against Randy and Floyd

by Orange & Blue Badger on Aug 4, 2008 11:12 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Also not his fault he played on the east coast

I tend to agree here and I think the other thing you have to be careful of in throwing the east coast bias label around it’s not necessarily his fault he played on the east coast so you can’t hold that against him.

by Denverjhawk on Aug 4, 2008 11:18 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Also...

East Coast bias is misleading… the Bay area and even Bolts teams have a fair amount of HoF’ers, not to mention “Midwest” teams like Chicago and Indy.

If you look at the by-the-team numbers and histories (particularly from that one article that TSG linked in a FanShot), what it really boils down to is an anti-Denvery bias!!!!!! =/

by tunga77 on Aug 4, 2008 11:35 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Bias...

I had this discussion with someone the other day I think the bias boils down to money and it is a large market bias which does tend to concentrate on the coasts certainly. I do think that winning can be a cure all. Add a Superbowl or two to any players resume and I think that makes a more attractive candidate.

by Denverjhawk on Aug 4, 2008 11:43 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed...

Market size and exposure are big factors. So… our term should maybe be revised to be:

Anti-Denver-or-Small-Market-Less-Exposure bias

Meh… too long ={

by tunga77 on Aug 4, 2008 11:47 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

attractive?

Did you say “attractive?
one look at TDs post season #s and any HOF voter should be wanting to have his baby !
TDs wins and yardage in his 10 post-season games are un-matched by ANY hof’er and that includes ANY top 5 RB you can name.

Our broncos will be fortunate to win 6 games in the 2008 season;
this will be Shanahans last as the Broncos HC.

by chef zambini on Aug 4, 2008 1:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed

I’m not holding it against Carson, I thought he was a terrific player and certainly deserves his place in the Hof imo.

by Orange & Blue Badger on Aug 4, 2008 11:21 AM MDT   0 recs

Kick someone out?

I do not advocate removing anyone. I think some very great Denver players have been overlooked simply because they played on poor teams (Little and Taylor) or were defensive standouts. Even in yesterday’s ceremony the broadcasters pointed out how few defensive players were in the hof.

This issue has buzzed this site several times. There is a great search feature on the top. Just search under history. Thanks for stirring the pot again Denverjhawk.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Aug 4, 2008 12:06 PM MDT   0 recs

Kick someone in.

Remember. Jason Elam kicked himself (or at least his sock) into the HOF by the 63 yard FG.

Victor Frankl:

What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.

by wyoeng on Aug 4, 2008 12:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

A single kick enshrinement?

unless your MRS. O’ leary’s COW one kick does not mean that much.
the ball ELAM kicked may be there, and ELAMS name, along with his snapper and holder, may be named in the HOF, but ELAM does not have the #s to earn a bust, sorry.

Our broncos will be fortunate to win 6 games in the 2008 season;
this will be Shanahans last as the Broncos HC.

by chef zambini on Aug 4, 2008 1:54 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree Firstfan

I can’t speak for removing guys, only inducting the deserving.

There is a sidepoint that could be made here, Denverjhawk, which is that the induction process is too limited. Deserving players go in (according to us) based on east-coast media bias (a combination of many factors, including the very large fanbases in the east and the more established coverage) at a rate that never allows them to catch up.

Rod Woodson eloquently observed this when Schefter and he were debating on NFL network. Schefter pointed out that deserving players would be left out of the final ballot due to a restriction on the number of players allowed to be inducted every year. Woodson’s reply?

“Why?”

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Aug 4, 2008 2:07 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Removing is what makes this fun...

since there is a maximum per year you’ve got to give an argument for why your guy deserved it more. Clearly we aren’t removing anyone but I think if we all just said who we thought would go in there would not be much debate because most here are Bronco fans…but when I say you’ve got to replace someone now we have some banter.

by Denverjhawk on Aug 4, 2008 2:13 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

who would I swap in the HOF ?

thats an easy one, OJ for TD.
we all know what TD brings to the table, OJ is a mutiple murderer and facing federal charges of assault as a consequence of his failed armed robbery attempt in Vegas.
regardless of his carreer, OJ must also meet character criteria as a member of the HOF; I dont think his civil court conviction otr the pending Federal conviction make him a viable member of any organization, other than HELL.
TD for OJ, that’s a no- brainer.

Our broncos will be fortunate to win 6 games in the 2008 season;
this will be Shanahans last as the Broncos HC.

by chef zambini on Aug 4, 2008 1:45 PM MDT   0 recs

OJ was in the HOF

before he killed. So I cant see advocating that. I think the guy should be in prison. But its the FOOTBALL HOF not the Football and good person HOF. If thats your criteria L. Taylor shouldnt be in, he was doing coke and allegedly he was linked to the Gambino Crime family.

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 1:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

character IS criteria...

I dont make the rules, I would just like to see the members of the HOF inforce them.
Lots of HOF’ers have some checkered pasts, but other than OJ, I dont think any of them murdered TWO people.
I know that LT is no choir-boy, but I would not suggest that his bust be removed from CANTON.

Our broncos will be fortunate to win 6 games in the 2008 season;
this will be Shanahans last as the Broncos HC.

by chef zambini on Aug 4, 2008 1:58 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Chef is right

Character is a listed requirement.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 4, 2008 2:02 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Where is that listed

I would love to see that. I disagree that its a criteria. Even if it is, OJ was inducted BEFORE he killed anyone. So that point moot. IMO

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 2:03 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

It's gets discussed by the media voters...

...every year on the radio when the ballots come out. As far as OJ goes, I don’t have a problem with going back and fixing a wrong. He was convicted of wrongful death (twice) in civil court, so I have no problem with the hof reviewing his standing.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 4, 2008 2:35 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats a slippery slope

But in the criminal case he could argue he was aquitted. So where do you draw the line? As you being in law enforcement you know civil cases the burden of proof is much lower. Plus he lost a judgement in wrongful death.
I dont disagree with you on looking over the stauts of someone who is convicted of a crime as bad as he did, but after a civil case it too nitpicky too me

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 2:45 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a reasonable point.

I wonder if the audacity to write a book “If I had Done It” is enough to get him booted. But that’s just me.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 4, 2008 5:33 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

If it gets published by all means I would support it. To me thats a confession.
He got over on the public.
Now, I say when (lets hope) he gets convicted in Vegas the NFL should yank his bust from Canton.
I think I have too confrontational today. No offense to anyone I just feel strongly about certain issues

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 5:40 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

bfsisd

you are stating your opinions ( whether I agree or not ) that is what this website is about-if we all believed and stated the same things over and over-BORING. we have not agreed on somethings and have went at each other but I for one want you to type, talk , yell your opinions out there. You are passionate and knowledgeable about the players , stats , and history of the game and I dont want you to slow down whatsoever , we need differences in opinions -- that makes all of us think a little more. : )

by okiebroncosfan on Aug 4, 2008 7:44 PM MDT to parent up   1 recs

thanks

for the nice words. I love coming to this site and all the different thoughts and opinions. I know the bottom line is we all want whats best for the Broncos. You are right I am passionate and sometime that colors my views (usually orange and blue)

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 4, 2008 8:25 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

We love it

when you come to this site as well. Or, at least we love your avatar!

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Aug 4, 2008 8:36 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

If character is an issue

Floyd Little belings in before many of the players discussed here, sure as hell before OJ, whether he was convicted in a criminal court or lost a civil suit.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Aug 4, 2008 5:57 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

If character is an issue

Got to disagree. As much as I love Floyd Little, OJ Simpson was the better running back, But I do think Little deserves to be in the HOF. I also don’t think OJ killed anyone.

by bradley on Aug 4, 2008 6:15 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Pleeease...

Let us not go there!

by UnarmingMermaid on Aug 4, 2008 6:23 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Gradishar

For Gradishar to be inducted, I would take out Nick Buoniconti. He is in over him because he won 2 rings on the No-Name Defense(I think the Orange Crush Defense was better and more talented than the No-Names, by the way) and he has been on TV a lot more with being on HBO’s Inside the NFL. No way was he better than Randy. And, if I would take anyone out at the S position and put Atwater in, it would be Paul Krause or Jack Christiansen. They were good players that have more INT’s, but they were stat collectors. Steve was a dynamo. You would fear him more than Krause or Christiansen combined. I don’t like putting down other guys who were elected, but it makes me upset that Randy isn’t in.

by PABroncofan on Aug 5, 2008 1:16 AM MDT   0 recs

The list is too long to list.

Herb Adderley, Doug Atkins, Red Badgro, Lem Barney, Cliff Battles, Chuck Bednarik, Bert Bell, Bobby Bell (was’nt he a baseball player?), Charles Bidwill, Bob Brown (isn’t he a washed up rap singer?), Roosevelt Brown, Junios Buchanan, Tony Cnadeo, Joe Carr, Guy Chamberlin, Jack Christiansen, Earl Clark, George Connor, Jimmy Conzelman, Lou Creekmur, Art Donovan, John Driscoll, Bill Dudley, Albert Edwards, Tom Fears, Jim Finks, Ray Flaherty, Len Ford, Dan fortmann, Benny Friedman (wasn’t he a comic?),

Okay I give up! That is only the list through “F.” So you get the picture. Multiply that by 7 to complete the alphabet and you have over 200 who the heck are they players.

I can’t believe how many unknown soldiers there are in the hof. They should call it the Hall of No-Names. Or the Hall of Unkowns!

by The Gun Young on Aug 5, 2008 10:14 AM MDT   0 recs

I know 99% of those guys

See Charles Bidwell is the first owner of the oldest franchise in the NFL. The Cardinals, started out as the Chicago Cards in the 20’s. Art Donovan was a GREAT DT for the Baltimore Colts of the 50’s and 6-’s. Chuck Bednarick the last 2 way player was on the 1960 Eagles team, the only team to beat the Lombardi led Packers in a NFL title game. Tom Fears played for the Rams in the 50’s. Bobby Bell was LB and DE for the KC Chiefs from 63-74. Bert Bell was the commish of the NFL before Pete Rozell and the co-founder of the EAgles. I can go on, but these guys are deserving of the Hall. Some are pioneers, some were responsible for moving the NFL forward. I cant say I would want any of those guys replaced. I am upset as anyone over the snub in Denver, but I would be hard pressed right now to remove anyone.

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 5, 2008 11:34 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you bring up a good point...

The way players, owners, coaches are determined to be hall of famers varies so much. Many of the guys you just touched on as you mentioned are in for more than just statistical reasons and I think maybe that is why we have seen many players that Bronco fans don’t deem statistically greater than their Bronco counterpart go in.

by Denverjhawk on Aug 5, 2008 11:40 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Plus today

I feel the media members who vote in players already have their built in predjudices over players. Its not like it was in the old days, where the players and reporters were friends. I believe there is resentment in over the amount of money they make and how the reports precieve the have been treated by certain players or by an organization. Thats why I feel there should be a different way to vote in the players. Not too mention the disparity between the offensive and defensive players in the hall

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 5, 2008 11:47 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

The grudges that are held

by the voters are rumored to be LEGENDARY. I would love to be a fly on the wall when they are going throught he voting process, just to see which ones are complete asshats.

While nothing is full speed right now, several MHR members have been giving input on how to go about organizing to get more Hall recognition for the Broncos. One of the steps that has been brought up, is that outside of specific enshrinements (Little, Gradishar), a push needs to be made for more transparency in the voting process. To date the voters have been adamant about being able to vote secretly in their little club, and thus avoid accountability for the decisions. A worthy change in the system would be to make the votes a matter of public record. Some of the voters (like Dr.Z) speak openly about their thoughts on the HOF, but the majority would probably oppose any kind of change of this nature.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Aug 5, 2008 11:57 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course

Then they would actually havve to defend their positions. I would love to see that.
All I know is Woddy Paige for the longest time was lobbying to get Gradishar in. It was people like Zimmerman (SI) who falsely claimed that Denver inflated his tackle stats. When I e-mailed him and asked him for his proof he replied that it was well known, but he is the only person I have ever heard say this. This is the same guy while Champ was in Wash said he was the next Deon Sanders, but when he came to Denver would not vote him on the all-pro team in 2005 because TO had a 91 yard TD pass against him. It is biases like this that make fans and the such not to trust reporters anymore, so much for being objectionable

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 5, 2008 12:25 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not sure

if you said what you meant. But their lack of objectivity certainly makes their votes objectionable. Thanks broncfanstuckinsd

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

by firstfan on Aug 5, 2008 7:28 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I was trying to show

That Zimmerman has had a bais towards Denver, where he can say Bailey is the best CB in the NFL while at Washington, then ignore his All pro season in 2005 by refusing to vote him to the all pro team (Champ got it but it wasnt unanimous thank to him) based on getting beat by TO. Also he has stated Champs is overrated, but only since he went to Denver

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 5, 2008 7:37 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I think First Fan was playing on your terms.

You meant “objective” instead of “objectional”. You, I, and First probably all agree that Dr. Z is an objectional character for the way he treats Denver, and is not “objective” in his reporting.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 6, 2008 4:51 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Boy

I did not even see that. I have been going thru some crap this week and did not catch it. Man. . . .
/embarassed

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 6, 2008 11:19 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

That's ok.

Your embarresment is our entertainment!

Seriously, I hope your week gets better. : )

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 6, 2008 11:47 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Please go on.

I listed over 30 players, yet you only responded about the great achievements of 6. I doubt you could give me a defense on all of them. Plus that is only through the alphabet “F.” If I have to blog the other 150 no names from the hof, I will. The point is that out of all those guys, there are definitely 7 or 8 Broncos more deserving.

by The Gun Young on Aug 5, 2008 1:37 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont have the time

If you are taking the time to list them you dont you research the ones you dislike.

by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 5, 2008 2:06 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Paul Z.

Dr. Z is the biggest Bronco hater out there. Peter King doesn’t like them, either. I call them the SI.Com Bronco Bashers.

by PABroncofan on Aug 5, 2008 2:48 PM MDT   0 recs

I hope it didn't sound like

I was endorsing Dr. Z’s opinion. I was just noting that he is one of the voters who talks about how he sees things.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Aug 5, 2008 4:10 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Ironic SI.com has MHR links

It is ironic then that SI.com has more MHR links than any other national site I have seen, when they have such known Bronco haters as King and Dr.Z.

by The Gun Young on Aug 5, 2008 3:19 PM MDT   0 recs

While some of the writers may not be great friends of the team,

...I think that the editor who searches the net for good blogs on the team has terrific taste. Like any group, there’s good and bad in everything. I like some things about SI and ESPN, and there are other things that I don’t. What I like the best about MHR over either one is the atmosphere we’ve built trying to be respectful and friendly talking about the team. That’s something hard to find on most sites with comments sections.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Aug 5, 2008 5:40 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

MHR Members.

That is simply because most members of this site are courteous, polite, friendly, and well mannered. They tend to be better educated, have higher incomes and live in nicer surroundings. They are more intelligent, better spoken, and are better students of the game than the average football fan. If there is a collective flaw on this site, perhaps we are slightly too humble.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us. - Emerson

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