MHR Chalk Talk -- Week 2 - San Diego Chargers at Denver Broncos
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So you thought week one was important? Well, it was. After all, Denver was playing a division rival (ok, ok, the division rival), it was a Monday Night Football game, and the first game of the 2008 season. Still, this week's game goes well beyond all of that.
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Denver leads the AFC West. With a win against SD, Denver takes a commanding lead over the team many "experts" pick to represent the AFC West in the playoffs.
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Along with NE, this is supposed to be one of the toughest games on a weak schedule. Did I say NE? They of "Bradyless" fame?
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More than any other game this season, this game should indicate the readiness of Denver to get back to the playoffs. SD is a better team than Oakland.
While many Denver fans waited for the season to start on Monday against the hated Raiders, this is perhaps the game fans have really waited for. Monday was the game we wanted emotionaly. Monday's game was a test. Now the season really starts. This is the game where Denver answers the question, "Are we for real?" This is the game where the quest really takes off.
Let's take a look at both teams; the systems, the players, the Xs and Os, the match-ups. The last game was nice, but against a basement team. This game is against the current AFC West Champions, and we need to know what's in store for the game.
Read on...

The San Diego Defense -
First, let's take a look at the SD defense. The following is an excerpt from a longer article that I wrote for Milehighreport.com about common systems run from a 3-4 defense (the full article can be found here) . The article mentions terms like "one gap" and "two gap", and explanations can be found here.
The "Phillips"
This system is not what people think of when they think of the 3-4, because the original 3-4 was/is strictly a 2-gap system.
In fact, look at the Denver "Orange Crush Defense" of the late 70's. It was run by Red Miller, and one of his assistants at the time was Coach Belichick. Belichick ended up in NE as we all know, while Fairbanks returned to college coaching in Colorado. Denver fans would thus be more likely than many fans to think of the 3-4 in terms of 2 gap, but you can still read the mistaken notion in many sports sites and publications.
The Phillips is named after "Bum Phillips", father of DAL head coach Wade Phillips, who formerly coached the Broncos as both a head coach and defensive coordinator. Bum learned under Paul "Bear" Bryant at A&M and had coached high school football well enough to break into the college ranks (not a common route). He was a defensive coordinator in SD, then in HOU (that's the Oilers for you young folks). He later was a head coach in HOU and later for NO.
Phillips was an innovator who turned the 3-4 upside down. His system is one-gap. The DL penetrates, and is charged with constant harrasment of the QB. The LBs are typically fast, and at least one of them will blitz on any given play.
The reason for the near constant 1-LB blitz is to account for the fact that the outnumbered DL is also relatively undersized and only one-gapping. However, the adjustments work out well. The OL never knows who the blitzer will be, or where he will come from. The Phillips is more aggressive that the Bullough. The school of thought for the Phillips 3-4 is the need to pressure against the QB to stop the pass threat, and this is done by varying who the "fourth rusher" (who is really a blitzer) is.
Add another blitzer in here and there, and the speedy/aggressive Phillips system is a threat to QBs, and attempts to get turnovers by slashing the time that a QB has to make decisions.
This is the system of choice for DAL, but also SD.
It is not the ideal system for SD in one sense. Denver (king of the offensive "zone block " system for runs) and oakland (newly switched to the zone block) are built to run over the 1 gap defenses, and they share the division with SD. SD adjusts for this by:
- Relying on a high tempo offense featuring LT, Gates, and Chambers to dictate games,
- Backing up the LBs to give them more reactionary distance, and
- shooting for a better record against the Chiefs (2 games) and the other 10 games out of division.
So now, I hope you have a good idea of what the SD defensive system is all about. Now let's plug in the players.
The most notable issue for SD is that they are missing Shawne Merriman for the season. He is considered to be perhaps the best defensive player for SD, having been a star at the weak, outside linebacker position. This position (in the Phillips system) is faster that the ILBs, and should be equaly adept at man, zone, and blitzing duties. Jyles Tucker should be a major step down or SD.
The remaining LB corps is solid across the board.
SD's cornerbacks are elite, most notably starters Cromartie and Jammer. While Jammer has been around the block for awhile, Cromartie is a newer, growing sensation. Along with Denver and Oakland (two other AFC West teams), this is one of the top CB tandems in the entire League.
Hart (strong) and Weddle (free) are the safeties. Again, SD presents with solid players across the board. I particularly like Weddle, who is a threat to any offensive player that gets through coverage.
There is also no real weakness on the front three. Defensive ends Olshanky and Castillo are more than adequate at hitting their gaps, as is nose tackle Jamal Williams.
All in all, SDs defense is good at DL, very good at SAF, and elite at CB. While one could call them something between elite and very good at LB, with the loss of Merriman they downgrade somewhat to being "just" good. With the exception (perhaps) of a back-up player at ROLB (weak LB), this defense has no real holes.
The Denver Offense -
Denver's offense looks to explode onto the scene in 2008. Just ask Oakland.
First, the system. Denver runs a West Coast Offense, complimented with a Zone Block System (one cut runner variation).
QB Jay Cutler was hailed by some sports journalists as being a top ten QB last year. This was even after Cutler lost 33 pounds to untreated diabetes. Now Jay has the condition under treatment, has gained back his weight, and no longer deals with fatigue. He's a pocket passer that, according to (former) Coach Mike Ditka can throw better on the run than any current QB. Culter ran an option system at Vanderbilt, and knows how to run and throw on the run. He has a gun for an arm too. But his poise, and his intelligence make him perfect as a drop back passer in Coach Mike Shanahan's (prefered) drop and pass program. Cutler has the tools and the poise to be a top five QB this year.
And his targets are frighteningly good. #1 wide receiver Marshall is back after a one game suspension, and has the power to fight for a ball, then run over the first one or two tacklers he encounters. Rookie Eddie Royal showed (against pro bowler DeAngelo Hall) that he has veteran route skills, blazing speed, and sure hands. Royal played as the #1 receiver against Oakland. He will only have to play as the #2 against SD. That's great news for Denver fans alone. Now one adds in slot receiving star Brandon Stokley, and SDs job should be harder.
But it doesn't stop there. While TE Graham is likely to pass block most of the game (and he is perhaps the best blocking TE in the League), TE Scheffler was a favorite target for Cutler last year in the passing game. Add in TE (former receiver) Nate Jackson, who caught a bomb on Monday night, and you have a perfect storm in the making.
Denver's committee running back program features Young and Hall, each whom garnered over a 5 ypc average (and running back, short down specialist Pittmann, who tied for third in scoring in the League last week). No worries there.
And Denver's O-Line is legendary. What can be added there? Oh, right. No sacks against Cutler last week.
Denver's first round draft pick, Ryan Clady, has been perfect so far:

Denver, like SD, features no weaknesses. Denver is elite or excellent across the board. So what happens when Denver's offense meets San Diego's defense?
Bronoco offense vs Charger defense
The first thing to note is Denver's advantage in zone blocking against a one gap system. SD can (and will) mitigate the mismatch by zoning LBs not assigned to the Denver half back, and assigning a LB (probably an inside linebacker) to that runner. SD can do this because DEN will not likely run to the sides against a 3-4 defense (which features OLBs that are spread further left and right than a 4-3).
The result, on running plays, is that Denver is very likely to pick up easy short yardage. Few running tackles should be made by the DL, with the LBs and even safeties making most of these tackles.
If the DEN O-Line gets penetration to the second level (LBs), Denver's one cut runners are likely to increase their gains from short yards to medium and long gains. SD must tackle on first contact to hold Denver. Failure to bring down a Denver runner on first contact in this scheme match-up can mean disaster for the Chargers. As long as the Chargers tackle well, they can hold back the flood. But they must do it on every running play with consistency, because Denver only needs one mistake to go the distance.
Denver's run game will be set up by the pass game (as it was against Oakland). Denver was not afraid to pair a rookie WR against a #1 CB (and pro-bowler to boot). This week, that rookie (who holds the League's top reception stat), that QB (who holds a triple digit passing rating), and the the team's real #1 WR bring their game to bear against another talented secondary.
SD will rely on a pass rush coupled with varied LB blitz packages. They must get pressure if their secondary is going to cover Denver's receivers. This pass rush will meet a team that hasn't given up any sacks so far.
Denver can try to minimize QB pressure in several ways.
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By shooting for an early lead that can be protected with the running game. This is tricky for SD to count on though. Denver can take the early lead and switch to a high octane run game, or they can do what they did to Oakland - just keep passing (if successful).
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With misdirection (the signature bootleg play, and the common cut-backs), it can be difficult for players to stay on assignment (going after the QB).
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Cutler is more of a pocket passer than previous Denver QBs, but he scrambled at Vandy, and has scrambled well in DEN. He can get out of the pocket easily, run, and still put the ball on target at great range.
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Denver's O-Line did something amazing against Oakland, given Cutler what seemed like YEARS to throw the ball.
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The classic approach to protect QBs from 3-4 rushes is with a two tight end set. Denver is capable with 3 solid TEs.
SD will counter by doing what they do best. Most plays that show pass will feature one (and likely no more than two) LBs coming at Cutler from varied directions. Power is not the SD forte. SD will rely on deception and speed to get into the Denver backfield. This should work better that Oakland's Press and Force system, since Denver has a rookie LT and a RT playing in his first full year (after a rookie season injury). Where Denver's young tackles could use sound technique against Oakland, they will really need experience and football smarts to counter a SD type rush / blitz package.
SD will be unable to double cover receivers. Both Marshall and Hall are legitimate threats, but Denver can also hit their TEs as well. In passing situations, the base defense expectation is to have both SD safeties deep, CBs in single coverage, and a LB covering a TE, one LB to blitz, and two LBs to zone. SD will vary this to some extent, but primarily which LB has which assignment.
The Denver Defense -
The expectation at MHR for Slowik's defense this year was the Man - Show Blitz system. Oddly enough, Denver didn't show much in the way of a particular system in the Oakland game. Where they doing so well on defense (Raiders scoreless the first three quarters) that they felt they could hid their blitz packages until the big game in week two? Aggressive minded coordinator Slowik didn't have to attack much at all, and played a simple, one gap, man defense. But that defense was star studded.
Denver's obvious strength is at CB, where the two leading interception masters for years (Bailey and Bly) play on the same team. Elite
While Denver lost a legend at strong safety (Lynch), they seem to improved overall at the safety position with former Charger McCree and new addittion Manuel. Good.
2nd in the NFL (2007) tackler DJ Williams moves from MLB to his prefered WLB position, and the team moved Webster to MLB and got Boss Bailey from Detroit to play at SAM. Here, the question marks start. Williams is great; no doubt about it. Webster has had some issues in the past playing at SAM, but he is now back to MLB and played well in Oakland. The jury is still out there. And WInborn played at SAM for an injured B. Bailey, so Denver fans still haven't made a decision on that side of the field. Good.
The situation remains murky at DT. Denver will rely on Marcus Thomas and DeWayne Robertson, with some rotation of other tackles. Again, the jury is out on how well this position holds up for Denver. Question mark.
Things look better at DE. Denver feels they have a future pro-bowl talent with Elvis Dumervil, and they have four other DEs who are either pass rush or run stopping specialists. None of the five players are weak. Very good.
The San Diego Offense -
This is where the game could be decided. Rivers is a decent enough QB, but his weapons are incredible.
Tomlinson is perhaps the best RB in the League. He can run like no one else, he can catch, heck, he can even pass! He is the player that Charger opponents worry about the most.
Gates is one of the premier TEs in the League. His talent is such that Bailey (Denver CB) was charged with covering him instead of a WR in the past. Until...
...the arrival of WR Chambers. Now, with Bailey forced to cover Chambers, the job of covering Gates falls to either a Denver safety or Denver's SAM. whichever player covers Gates leaves a hole for Tomlinson.
Put this package behind a solid offensive line, and you can see the problems that teams face.
Charger offense vs Bronco defense
Worth considering is the state of the Chargers. They are an elite team that has done well recently. But cracks started to show in the pre-season through the first game (a loss to Carolina). Merriman (defense) is out, and both Gates and Tomlinson are coming back from injuries. Even Rivers is in recovery. A little rust is showing here and there. The Chargers, 0-1 are going into Denver, 1-0.
The Charger plan is simple, but deadly when executed. Give the ball to LT, and have him run weakside (not common for most NFL teams). SD like to pull the RG on the OL to block for LT as well.
When a team starts cheating up the safeties to account for the run, Gates and Chambers spread the field. Gates is a mismatch for most LBs (speed) and safeties (power). Chambers doesn't have to be spectacular. He only needs to keep the #1 CBs in the League and the safeties from concentrating all of their energy on Gates.
Denver kept the vaunted Raider RBs (Fargas and McFadden) from breaking out, but they didn't exactly stop them either. LT should be a more difficult prospect. If Denver can stop LT, or at least slow him down, SD will go to the air.
In the air, Bailey is mor than a match for Chambers. The problem is, who stops Gates? Boss Bailey (at SAM) may be able to, but we don't yet know. Manuel isn't a speed demon at SS, and McCree has the speed, but is the primary insurance against anyone covering Gates or Chambers. In other words, who backs-up the safety when the safety covers the TE?
This is Denver's chance to break out the blitz program (if it is going to happen). Rivers has good qualites, but playing under pressure isn't one of them. If Denver can infiltrate the pocket, they can help to cause interceptions. If not, Denver will have to prove that they have a player that can shut down Gates.
Pick your poison. Gates or LT. If Denver can stop both players, they should have a defense to go with their powerful offense. If not, the game becomes a shootout.
Match-ups
QB - DEN
RB - SD
WR - DEN
TE - EVEN
OL - DEN
DT / NT - SD
DE - DEN
LB - EVEN
CB - DEN
SAF - SD
STs - EVEN
COACHING - DEN
Keys to the Game
Denver will win this game if they can do two things.
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Protecting Cutler is the most important key. If he has the protection, Cutler will put up Peyton Manning numbers.
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Run the ball effectively. If Denver can run the ball, the game is over.
The Chargers:
- Get to Culter. Denver has too many weapons to scheme against only one or two of them. They must pressure Cutler, or he'll have a field day.
- If the Chargers can get good running production, they can keep Cutler off of the field, win the "time of possession" war, and gain good field position.
OVERVIEW
Denver comes into the game with a lopsided victory over the Raiders. The Raiders feature elite RBs, and Elite CBs. Denver's #2 WR (rookie) Royal ran circles around DeAngelo Hall, while the Denver defense hurried QB Russell and kept the game scoreless for three quarters. SD, on the other hand, lost a close heartbreaker to CAR, and didn't look impressive doing it.
The game is in Denver (altitude and crowd noise).
Here's what I am thinking. All during (what we at MHR call) the reloading season, I felt Denver would split the series with Oakland. The more I researched before the game the more I felt that, even without #1 WR Marshall, the Broncos would win this game. Even so, I though it would be close. I was wrong. Denver exceeded my wildest expectations.
Again, during the realoading season, I thought Denver's goal should be to split the series with SD, but the reality might be different. I would have picked SD to win one game for sure, with the remaining game to be 50-50 chances. The more I research, and from I saw in week one, I'm again adjusting my predictions.
Denver is the younger team, and has more potential for growth by the end of the season (when we face SD again). But that game will be in SD. It's too far out to guess on that game.
But this game is different. While Denver made a few first game mistakes (a few bobbled receptions, for example), they looked confident and calm. SD (from the few clips I've seen) don't look like the SD we're used to.
If the week one Chargers play the week one Broncos (add in Marshall), this game is over. Denver doesn't have to change a thing, while the burden is on SD to improve.
I'll take Denver.
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Sets up as a big game for Vince Jackson
…v. D. Bly, given six inche ht. advantage and all the other concerns for Broncos secondary. Shades of Reggie Wayne. After Jackson makes a few big plays, things will be softer for Gates and Chambers? I’m worried…What about this?
Given Merriman’s knee, Tucker is an upgrade at WILL on the pass rush.
Do you think we see #53 on Gates? Shanny has shown some willingness to try to optimize his personnel by opponent — see last week’s D-line. If I learned anything from your university, it is that it is all in the match ups, right?
You imply that we will see a lot of Pittman and Hillis, the pick they got for Plummer. With the advent of Hillis, is the H-back is back in this offense? When would you use it? As if they don’t have enough. Broncos used to get a lot of touchdowns on passes to the H-back. I’d like to hear about that.
Super post, as usual.
"I told him (Montrae), don't worry, you'll pass out before you die" -- Rick Tuten
by littletinybroncos on Sep 11, 2008 9:51 AM MDT 0 recs
Tucker an upgrade
maybe I am misunderstanding you, but are you saying Tucker is an upgrade over Merriman? Or because he was hurt? Even when Merriman was out last week, Tucker was getting no pressure. As much as I dislike Merriman he was a good pass rusher and a cover LB. I think this is going to hurt SD more than anyone is willing to admit. You just cant replace 39.5 sacks 40 something games. And dont think Tuckers last game last year is real indictive of how good he is. I dont buy that he is all that
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Sep 11, 2008 12:48 PM MDT
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Wasn't that game against the faders anyway?
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Sep 11, 2008 1:37 PM MDT
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So, it meant nothing to either side...
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Sep 11, 2008 2:10 PM MDT
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I think we will use...
Pittman as a HB (halfback), not as an H-Back (a kind of halfback, tight end hybrid). I think we use him for short yarage mostly. If he does get a pass, it will be more likely as a “trick play” kind of move (perhaps a screen), rather than as an H-Back by system.
Hillis should get a run or two as well, and perhaps a goal line screen pass. I still expect Young and Hall to get most of the carries.
I’m very interested in if Boss can cover Gates. If he can’t, I don’t think Manuel has the speed. I don’t like bringing down the FS (McCree) to do it, because we lose deep zone protection and limit what our CBs can do. SD’s offense is much more tricky to scheme against with the addittion of Chambers.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 1:04 PM MDT
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That gives me worries as well (Jackson v. Bly)
Critical we get pressure on Rivers so he makes bad throws, but I could see them trying Paymah over there to try to match the height.
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"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
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by Broncoman on
Sep 11, 2008 1:56 PM MDT
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Bly.
Bly plays his best (gambler) when he has the coverage over the top to support him. Against SD, I doubt he has that coverage from the safeties (because of the twin receiving threats in Gates and Chambers). If we are very lucky, Boss turns out to be a good coverage LB against Gates, freeing up the two safeties somewhat. But then you might still have to stick Manuel in the box to stop LT.
It’s pretty thorny. I have no doubt our offense will do well. The defense could go either way this game. This will be the prime test of our defense to determine how far the team can count on them.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 2:19 PM MDT
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Great points
I could see this game turning into an old AFC West shoot-out.
"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
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by Broncoman on
Sep 11, 2008 2:23 PM MDT
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If Shanny goes this route...
..it will be a high scoring game. SD has some very elite weapons, but I think we have more. On the other hand, I’ll feel better if we just get a quick lead and let our runners run out the game.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 3:10 PM MDT
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I'm with you HT
Since I’ll only be able to pick up the score from ESPN Mobile Alerts, I don’t want my crackberry’s batteries going dead before the game is over!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Sep 11, 2008 4:04 PM MDT
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The Test
Great review. This week we definitely get to see what our 08 Broncos are about. To me the game falls to the Defense which is still a mystery to me. We looked good on D against the Faiders, but that means nothing.
If our Defense can slow and/or stop their running game, I think we will win. If not it is going to be a very long day for us.
I don’t want to see a shoot-out with SD as they are too dangerous and familiar with us. I want to see our defense game plan and drop a hammer on the Merry men.
That being said, we can definitely win a shoot out if we get the last possesion. Our offense has been nothing but impressive so far.
by sadaraine on Sep 11, 2008 9:51 AM MDT 0 recs
I disagree with one point
San Diego is familiar with the 2006 and 2007 Denver Broncos. They are NOT familiar with the 2008 Broncos, especially the 2008 Bronco Offense.
They are a dangerous team, but what I saw from the offense was awesome: they destroyed oakland, and didn’t look like they broke a sweat doing it. Now Marshall is back…I can’t imagine a defensive coordinator getting much sleep before playing this offense!
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on
Sep 11, 2008 9:56 AM MDT
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Reply to The Test
This post is why I appreciate Denver fans, and I agree completely. As everyone knows, San Diego has had Denver’s number the last few years.
It’s important for the Broncos to get off to a quick start, to play with the lead, to maintain momentum. A grind-it-out, 20-17 kind of gam would be ideal for Denver. Phillip Rivers has good moxie now and — as you saw last week — had developed shiftiness to buy a little extra time to make the right play.
Should be a classic AFC West showdown!
by SteveinSanDiego on
Sep 11, 2008 6:40 PM MDT
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Great article, as always!
I always learn something from your posts, HT (not that I know that much to start with).
Your summary regarding how calm (or not) each team looked last week pretty much nails it for me: I expect the Broncos to be cool, collected, and pumped up, while I think the Chargers are going to come in more edgy. If the Broncos have some success in the first half, the may be able to create some desperation from SD. Even so, in the past few years the Chargers have become very good at playing from behind, so this game won’t be over until the final whistle.
The only point I might argue is regarding SD’s DL. I think Olshansky, WIlliams, and Castillo are among the league’s better DL units. Any of the three can be hard to handle.
by CoastalBronco on Sep 11, 2008 10:00 AM MDT 0 recs
I agree that SD's DL is good.
No doubt about that. But from a system perspective, it is difficult to play a one gap program against a zone block OL. In terms of the running game, Denver should do well. In the passing game, I think our new OTs will have a tougher time than against Oak.
As I mentioned in the article, our new O-Linemen handled the Raiders rush (Press and Force) with pure talent. Against the Phillips type of blitz packages, they’ll have to rely a lot more on experience and smarts. The various looks our young guys (Harris and Clady) get will be tricky.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 1:13 PM MDT
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LDT didn't practice yesterday
because of a stubbed big toe he suffered in the final drive on Sunday (according to CBSSportsline), but they also said that Jay and Royal with Cheese practiced despite knee and ankle injuries respectively (I didn’t hear about either of those).
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on Sep 11, 2008 10:04 AM MDT 0 recs
neither di
Marcus McNeil (neck) or Antonio Cromartie (hip)
Our list looks a lot longer than I expected, but at least on Wed everyone but Green practiced
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on
Sep 11, 2008 12:20 PM MDT
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"He can run like no one else, he can catch, heck, he can even pass!"
Was that a Friday Night Lights (the movie) reference?
by hooper on Sep 11, 2008 10:10 AM MDT 0 recs
Shame on me.
I haven’t yet seen that film.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 1:14 PM MDT
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You haven't missed much
There is some dawson’s creek drama, with some (emphasis on some) good football action, and a pig. That pretty much sums it up.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on
Sep 11, 2008 1:49 PM MDT
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like jibbons said,
don’t worry about it if you haven’t seen it. There’s just a part in the beginning where the uncle (or was he the father) of the superstar running back on the team was hyping the kid to some college scouts who were watching a practice. I just remember the “he can even pass!” moment and it rang a bell.
Kind of a shrill, clangy bell, but it rang.
by hooper on
Sep 11, 2008 6:55 PM MDT
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I think its worth noting
that SD starting LB Stephen Cooper isn’t playing in this game either (roid suspension).
As always HT, great write up!
Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.
by kwool79 on Sep 11, 2008 11:22 AM MDT 0 recs
cooper is OUT
another part of the steriod boys, along with Merriodman and castillo
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Sep 11, 2008 12:50 PM MDT
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Thanks for the heads up guys.
I do the write-ups Wed or earlier (my copy deadline is Thu), so the injury list is never completely clear to me. For that reason, I don’t research injuries / suspensions as well as if the articles appeared later in the week. I don’t offer that as an excuse, but with the hope that it is taken into consideration when reading Chalk Talk for player evals.
In the case of Cooper, I left his name out.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 1:19 PM MDT
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I usually here
about SD crap on thursday mornings when I get slammed with all charger news. I tell you I want Denver to win this game in the worst way. I am so tired of the belittling of the Broncos. I can respect that SD is the defending West chumps. But to blatantly igonore and belittle the Broncos is infuriating. Denver is a good team and destroying oakland on the road should prove that, all it did here was reinforce how bad oakland is. But to me a team that wants to go to the playoffs and the Super Bowl blowing out teams like the faders means that they are a good team, and not one that plays down to its competition.
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Sep 11, 2008 1:23 PM MDT
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It will be hard to shoot down the Broncos in the press...
…if Denver wins this game. Denver may still get ignored for “more newsworthy teams”, but they won’t dwell in the lower 16 teams on many power polls anymore. Also, a second straight loss by SD should drop them down the charts by quite a bit.
Don’t expect a lot of love by the media if we win. They just won’t bring us up much. That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 1:28 PM MDT
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I'm with you HT.
I have gotten used to the Broncos getting the short end of the stick from the media, however whether we get some love from them or not………really don’t care as long as we are winning and playing well doing it.
I do agree with broncfanstuckinsd is saying about being belittled. The success has gone to their head…..I do have Charger friends that are more level headed.
Nice breakdown HT…….as always!
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
by weazel on
Sep 11, 2008 6:38 PM MDT
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Thanks so much Weazel.
Those SB wins made up for plenty of years we were underrated.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 12, 2008 5:35 AM MDT
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Fabulous preview, HT!!
It is really something, with BMarsh and Fast Eddie, not to have to worry about the other side’s “elite” CBs. San Diego’s isn’t any better than Oakland’s, and we saw what the Broncos did . . . without BMarsh.
The offensive line also gave a glimpse last week of the wall it will form against the Chargers. The Raiders may be bad overall, but not necessarily in their front seven, especially with Merriman gone and their NT reportedly hurting. I noticed just on thing in your analysis: no mention of R. Harris. Clady has been magnificent, yes, but so has his complementary bookend.
The Chargers are going to give the Broncos everything they’ve got this week. Be assured of that. However, I really don’t think what they have is enough. We’ll see, of course.
Never pass up the opportunity to keep your mouth shut. - my daddy
by AZDynamics on Sep 11, 2008 11:54 AM MDT 0 recs
I wasn't really even going to mention Clady.
The only thing that really needs to be said is that the Denver OL is, well, the Denver OL. It is legendary, and remains elite. I only mentioned Clady as an excuse to insert the cartoon image. I really love it.
A more in depth look at the OL could be a post in itself. But you are correct. Clady and Harris both proved themselves at OT, and the others did a terrific job too. Wiegmann (as a former Chief) knows the Raider and Charger schemes and personnel already, but he showed himself to be a capable zone blocker too.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 1:25 PM MDT
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"A more in depth look at the OL could be a post in itself."
I’d like to read that post.
Thanks for the great preview.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on
Sep 11, 2008 1:53 PM MDT
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I think as the season wears on...
…and we know this ‘08 team a little better, you’ll get plenty of solid posts from members and contributers alike on each unit.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 2:21 PM MDT
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Ahhhh....
That how I feel after reading chalk talk. Hungry for Bronco news and breakdown… get statisfied with Chalk Talk.
Many thanks HT. Appreciate the detail.
by YellowStoneBronco on Sep 11, 2008 1:29 PM MDT 0 recs
Hors de'ourves anybody?
Champagne? (Oops, wrong party).
Wings? Beer? Ribs?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 2:22 PM MDT
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Champange??
This isn’t the club level seats!!
fader nation is a conquered nation
"Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!"
The creator of the following names: conquered fader nation, Phyllis and his merry men
by mdierk on
Sep 11, 2008 2:45 PM MDT
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I'm flexible.
I could go for lobster and wine in the club level one moment, then down all the brats and suds in the nosebleed section I can stomach. I just love good food and drink. I’m a Ruth’s Chris / Burger King guy. I like Iron Chef as much as down home cooking. Just feed me Seymore!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 3:13 PM MDT
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In my nosebleed seats
It will be peanuts and beer, with a side of beer. And those will be the best damn peanuts I ever tasted. My God am I excited for my first ever Broncos game.
Yippeeee!
by jonahsilas on
Sep 12, 2008 12:49 AM MDT
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Ugg...
I get that injuries and/or recoveries are holding them back, but I fear we’re getting overconfident. I think we win, but this will be much harder than people see to think.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on Sep 11, 2008 1:51 PM MDT 0 recs
I think we win this one.
I also think it should be MUCH closer than the Oak game. I’m still not wavering from my 10-6 prediction. Not yet.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 3:14 PM MDT
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Culinary concerns
HT, thanks for your answers and your patience. What sort of chow goes with a Charger or Chargers? Got tickets on the 30 for the game and I can’t wait. Seems like it should be opponent appropriate, but what is a Charger. Do they mean a horse (ugh — horesemeat), or something with electrodes or batteries? My fiancee needs to know what to fix for this game! What are you havin"?
"I told him (Montrae), don't worry, you'll pass out before you die" -- Rick Tuten
by littletinybroncos on
Sep 11, 2008 3:24 PM MDT
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Just a thought
Some of the enchiladas out here put out more BTUs than Chernyobl.
Atwater for the Hall!
by broncobear on
Sep 11, 2008 9:34 PM MDT
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Fish tacos
are the pride of SD, in my book.
My fiancee made some tonight. Tasty!
by jonahsilas on
Sep 12, 2008 12:50 AM MDT
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Chargers food (and name origin)
In my article on football cuisine, I thought chicken mole (pronounced mol-ay) would be a good choice, because of the proximity to Mexico. But several sharp fans pointed out that fisch tacos are the way to go. I would go with the adivce of the locals.
Back in the late 50s, the Chargers received their name because of a contest where folks could submit a team name.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 12, 2008 5:46 AM MDT
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Great artical
One other thing to add, I would say the 3-4 that SD runs is more of a hybrid between the 3-4 of old (two gap system) and 3-4 of bum (one gap) in that they do use Jamal Williams as a two gap nose tackle much of the time, and then try to free up the MLB and OLB to rush the QB or stop the run, Castillo is very good, but I think the key to their system is Williams, they really are a different team if he is not on the field or is playing poorly.
"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman
by Broncoman on Sep 11, 2008 1:54 PM MDT 0 recs
You are right about Williams.
Any NT needs to be able to do both, and Williams certainly does.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 11, 2008 2:24 PM MDT
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offensive questions
is graham helping harris look good? i didn’t get to see the replay of the game to focus in on that, but is he staying in to block on most passing downs? i wonder how much of an impact he is having on our too-good-to-be-true pass-blocking, recently. are we doing this with the starting 5? also, did i see k-lich lining up as a fb(hb?) in the red zone? i also heard he was an eligible receiver on 1 play. and is larsen or pittman our backup fb? both? just curious on that one, hillis seems to be all we need there, great lead-block on the td run by pittman. this offense has me dizzy, i love it. but i would expect sd to give the the o-line the full test on sunday. your right, ht, experience should come into play here, and i expect there to be some breakdowns, but not many. wiegmann has been better than good, and kuper seems to have adjusted well, too. very impressed here, so far
by davecheffy on Sep 11, 2008 2:08 PM MDT 0 recs



