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Broncos/Raiders Postgame Wrap-up

After two+ days of fighting the box monster I finally had enough time to sit down with the remote and pick apart as much of the Broncos tape as I could. I'm not a top analyist by any stretch, but there were a few things that I thought I'd like to share with the MHR community at large.

Two statistics on Cutler flew by me in the heat of the moment(s) and are worth repeating for those who might have missed them. Cutler is usually called a pocket passer but this is misleading. Over the past two years, he has the highest QB rating in the NFL when throwing from outside the pocket. That's right - numero uno.

The second is what you'd expect to follow from the above - he has 16 TD passes when throwing from outside the pocket over that period of time, and again that's tops in the NFL. This speaks to what a lot of the MHR commentators and posters have been saying for quite a while now. Jay Cutler isn't going to be one of the top QBs in the league - he already is. And if someone wanted to formulate the argument that he already is the top, these stats, followed by rest of this year, might very well end up proving you right. I have to admit - just as cold pizza (not theirs - mine) can be a banquet on the right morning, that game was a dish most decidedly delicious served cold. And Shanahan's Revenge is always good cold.

Several people touched on Hillis' game but that was something else that flew out at me. Play after play I watched him on a seek and destroy mission looking for blockers. You'd think that a guy who's run interference for Darren McF and Felix Jones might like his work and you'd be right - he's a scary part of the running game and of Cutler's protection as well. Averaging over 5 YPC as a fullback on top of it? Dang! And, he was open on a lot of passing plays when other receivers were even better options, which takes nothing at all away from his abilities. Yeah, he dropped a pass. But by the time he did, I was ready to not mind so much.

On Pittman's 1st TD Hillis blocked his man completely out of the play - and broke off upfield trying to find another victim before Pittman could get there. That's solid for a pro, or even a pro bowler - it's astounding for a rookie in his first game, and on MNF as well. MeAngelo Fall had to respect Hillis' pass routes as the game went on and that led to one of Royal's catches as Wilson got torched. Of course, Fall might have just been looking for an excuse to get the heck aways from Eddie.

Spencer Larson - for a fella who many of us thought wouldn't be activated for the game, Larsen did a very fine job. Again, on replaying the kicking game, he was at the heart of things more often than not.

Andre Hall was nothing short of tremendous. His rushing was gutsy, he ran good routes, and on the play that caught MeAngel peeking at Hillis, Andre absolutely leveled the MLB coming in on the pass rush. Although someone is going to eventually sack Jay, I think that the Broncos will take it as a vile personal insult, to be paid back with userous interest. It's that kind of team.

On Darrell Jackson's TD, Graham was so wide open that either of them would have had the TD. Jackson runs better after the catch, but wow. By then the raiders didn't know their own names, and probably didn't want them televised. On our following possession, Hillis leveled the MLB for Hall, and then cleared the path for him again. He left '22' tattooed on a few people.

Ditka-ism of the game? "That offensive line (raiders) - they ought to sue them for non-support!" Yep.

A final note - Winborn played a heck of a game. He made a few mistakes, most of them, I thought, early on, but overall I was as happy with him as I was when he showed up in my early research. Not gonna but a pro bowler, but lots of heart and some solid work. He and Webster work well together. They welcomed McF to the bigs together, and I enjoyed that.

I get more eager to see them stretched against SD every day. This is the beginning of a heck of a season. I'm glad that we have some tough tests right away - MNF, Chargers, Saints. My suspicion is that we need that to find out just how good we really are. It might just be really, really good.

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can't argue

i agree with everything here. i commented on the hillis block in another post, sapp could never do that. hall looked like the #1 to me, decisive, and hard to bring down. winborn and webster settled down and had very solid games. i’m still trying to figure out if hall was moved to safety, and wilson up to cover royal. i could have sworn i saw hall deep, and wilson right on royal-well, trying to be. their #’s are close(23, 28), so i may be mistaken, but did you see the raiders remove hall from royal? they could have changed coverages a few times, but hall is not supposed to play deep as far as i know. he missed practice, so maybe he twisted his ankles trying to cover eddie or something. ha!

by davecheffy on Sep 11, 2008 10:56 PM MDT   0 recs

I saw what you are referring to...

It’s hard to say if they purposely took Hall off of Royal or just had a zone or different coverage called.

by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 12, 2008 12:37 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Hall's Falls

I know – I thought that this was most interesting. The angle is not perfect, and I have to consider that I may not have seen the numbers correctly.

However, from the angle I saw, it seemed that Wilson picked up Royal, and Hall came up to spy on Hillis. Seeing his mistake, he then sprinted upfield. As roayl went out of bounds, Wilson was at his level and toward the sea and Hall was below Royal toward the LOS.

If anyone else sees it differently I sure could be wrong. I replayed it a couple of times, and that’s what seemed to be happening. And sure, Hall might have gotten tears in his eyes from the humiliation and simply not seen Royal streak upfield past him. Hillis may have been an excuse :)

Atwater for the Hall!

by broncobear on Sep 11, 2008 11:52 PM MDT   0 recs

another thing

did anyone notice how freakin’ fast doom was getting off the ball? he looked borderline offsides on a few plays, like he knew, or anticipated, the snap count or something. incredible first move, he had his guy beat before he could get set in his stance. i guess you can’t teach that, because he was the only one doing it, but if that continues, he is going to be more of a terror this season than even last. scary thought

by davecheffy on Sep 12, 2008 12:43 AM MDT   0 recs

Fader fans...

…are complaining that he was offsides on the play that he caused the fumble.

I watched it, however, and he was onsides but got to Russell so fast that logic says he had to be offsides.

by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 12, 2008 12:40 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Wish I could have seen a closeup of Russell

His eyes must have been big a saucers when Doom was coming at him. He completely panicked and lost his grip to throw the ball behind him.

And I can’t believe the San Fransico paper beat writer that said (pre-game) the Raiders had an edge over Denver with the Quarterback. Thats not even funny, but Russell is.

"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras

by Denver Diehard on Sep 14, 2008 10:07 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Recommended!

Very sharp observations.

One point on the pocket vs scrambler issue. I think Jay is a unique specimen. Here’s my take. Jay is undoubtably better throwing on the run than any other QB. However, unlike many scramblers (Russell comes to mind), Jay can drop back 3 to 5 steps and be deadly accurate in the pocket. I think Jay is a new animal. Imagine Peyton Manning, but able to throw on the run better than anyone else. Give him time in the pocket, and he is best used there. But if he has to get out and improvise (like a John Elway), or if the play is called that way (bootleg), there is ZERO drop in production.

This may sound over the top, but I’m begininng to think we have a hof pocket QB that can throw on the run better than any scrambler. The only weakness I can find (if pressed) is that Jay still needs to learn a few things about reading defenses. Still, he’s light years ahead of anyone else his age, so that isn’t really a criticism either.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Sep 12, 2008 7:15 AM MDT   0 recs

I'm a little concerned...

…that one of the times we roll him out on a playaction he is going to get absolutely demolished. At some point a defensive end is going to catch on and hit Cutler harder than he’s ever been hit.

by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 12, 2008 12:42 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not too worried.

Cutler’s a smart kid and he should have enough time to see it coming.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 12, 2008 1:23 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

It scares me too.

The difference between a bottleg and a “naked” bootleg is that no one is held back to protect the QB in a naked variation. If a DE or OLB comes flying in, the QB often turns into the hit before he even sees it coming.

But things can be done (schemed) to minimize the dangers, and even to minimize the impact (how the QB rolls out). It’s high risk, but less risky than the option play.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Sep 12, 2008 2:52 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Good post Bear...

Hillis is an absolute Crusher.

I haven’t seen fullback play like that since another underappreciated Denver FB led TD and the Broncos to two SB victories.

by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 12, 2008 12:44 PM MDT   0 recs

I love the

part of the “america’s Game” DVDs where they talk about Griffith’s arrival from Carolina. You could tell that Shanny considered him an integral part of the puzzle and was really excited to not only get him, but to see him catch on quickly to what he needed to do.

I also really like Griffith’s analysis of hte Broncos on FSRM. Not the deepest stuff, but when the topic is in his wheelhouse, he nails it succintly and eloquently.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Sep 12, 2008 1:21 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Since Shanahan

was quick to move past Sapp (I got whiplash, still being treated…;D), you had to believe that he looked at Hillis at 227 in Round 7 and just licked his Shanahanny lips. Perfect skill set – what the heck was the 1st or 2nd fullback in the draft still doing at 227? Have OCs lost the art of the fullback?

Atwater for the Hall!

by broncobear on Sep 12, 2008 5:27 PM MDT   0 recs

Shanny wa ahead of his time with his FB usage

methinks, and no one has caught up yet. Hillis’ skillset is only ideal, IMO, to the Broncos. He is a little light in the pants for a “true” FB, whatever that is. Perhaps the key is the zoneblocking scheme, in enabling him to be an undersized, consistent blocker, over a long stretch.

I am assuming blocking in the lanes and picking through garbage is key to his FB skillset, since otherwise he would be just a too-short TE with great hands.

And wasn’t Hester taken ahead of him? Essentially a “purer” version of the pass catching FB, whereas Owens (I think that was his name) was a “purer” version of a blocking FB. Hillis sits nicely in between. I think the Chargers could actually be as successful with Hillis as they plan on being with Hester, but they made the call for Hester.

Not a terribly organized comment, but you got me to thinking…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by styg50 on Sep 12, 2008 6:49 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Owen Schmitt was the other one

Interesting about Hester – yes, ‘pure’, but Hillis has just as good hands (better?), iss plenty strong enough to block, loves it. Look at his runners records – no back gains those kind of yards, talented or not, without some good blocking. I love SD’s new fellow, Tolbert, the human bowling ball. Also great hands, loves to block, very enthusiastic: reminded me of Hillis, to tell the truth. As Brad says below, blocking is timing and angle – and effort, lots of effort. Hillis dows that in spades.

Styg50, what was the knock on HIllis’ blocking – couldn’t block outside the pocket was it? Hmm…

Atwater for the Hall!

by broncobear on Sep 12, 2008 8:35 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

You know

He kind of reminds me of my all time favorite FB, Howard Grtiffith.

Though the end is near, Still I am not sorry

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 13, 2008 12:02 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Full Backs

I remember a lot of talk before, during, and after the draft about how no one is using FB’s much any more. Maybe that’s because there aren’t many good prospects coming out of the colleges. Anyway, Howard Griffith wasn’t a big FB during the SB years, nor was Tom Rathman of the Niners beack in their glory days. But Rathman knew how to throw a block (the key is more timing and angle than mass) and he was tremendous at catching passes in the flat. Griffith was good at that also, and I expect that Hillis will excel in that area.

I like a man who fights with a grin on his face. Winston Churchill.

by bradley on Sep 12, 2008 8:07 PM MDT   0 recs

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