The call stank, but the League screwed the Chargers

by jibbons on Sep 14, 2008 10:19 PM MDT

Not just the refs.

Both 'controversial' calls, stuck to the play called on the field, so the Chargers can't complain that the replay should have caught it. All that they can complain about is the rule deferring to the call on the field.

In the case of the first call, I personally do not think there was incontrovertible evidence for an overturn of the call on the field of an interception (both players displayed control, but one came away with it, and that was the call), but that does not matter. Because the equipment failed, and the fact that the rule defers to the call on the field in that case.

As for the empty hand, the ref called the play dead so Broncos could have given up on the play (I don't think they had a chance at the ball, but they don't write the rules for one situation, they write them for all situations). So again the rules deferred to the play on the field. And again the Chargers were a victim of the rules of the game, imperfect as they may be.

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its not biased toward the call on the field

there is no other call to go by !

by RiG on Sep 14, 2008 11:09 PM MDT reply actions

Maybe I used the wrong word,

the rule book defers to the call on the field may be better

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Sep 15, 2008 12:17 AM MDT up reply actions

I changed it from biased to deferred

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Sep 15, 2008 12:47 AM MDT up reply actions

wat do u think the call would be if the replay worked?

by RiG on Sep 14, 2008 11:10 PM MDT reply actions

overturned INT

offense keeps the ball.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 14, 2008 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions

I would like some rule book clarification, but

I think the interception looked more like a strip and fumble recovery, then again I have only seen a few replays.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Sep 15, 2008 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions

Does dual possession always go to the receiver?

It looked like Chambers and Champ had an equal claim to it.

I miss Al

by birkheac on Sep 15, 2008 12:30 AM MDT up reply actions

Thats my question too,

Is it like when there’s a dog-pile, and the guy who emerges with it has possession?

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Sep 15, 2008 12:49 AM MDT up reply actions

No

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Sep 15, 2008 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions

yes

fader nation is a conquered nation

"Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!"

The creator of the following names: conquered fader nation, Phyllis and his merry men

by mdierk on Sep 15, 2008 6:45 AM MDT up reply actions

Yes

but it wasn’t dual possession. Champ getting his hand on the ball isn’t dual possession, and Champ ripping the ball away after the receiver’s elbow touched the ground isn’t a fumble, either.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Sep 15, 2008 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions

Replay showed that the receiver still had possession

when his elbow touched the ground, so he was down by contact before Cahmp wested the ball away.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Sep 15, 2008 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions

Why did we only get one angle?

by Pmac54 on Sep 15, 2008 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions

I would like to put together

a post if I have time, discussing the basic question of to replay or not to replay.

IMO, either have it on every play, or don’t have it at all. I have a major problem with the redflag/timeout thing, where a fair playing field becomes an issue of strategy for opposing coaches…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 14, 2008 11:38 PM MDT reply actions

Every play would take too long.

Having it from the booth in the last two minutes, and giving the coaches leverage the rest of the game, seems fairest to me. But it’s a good debate.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions

I believe

they have it on every play in college. I have no idea how it works though. I think that an independent set of reviewers simply reviews each play for a select group of penalties or issues. If they can’t review it before the next play, everyone is out of luck. I believe that there is a special rule for the ends of halves and games, but I am really not sure.

But I do believe that technology could make it possible.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions

Ok.

I buy that! It could work that way. I have to think more about what I think of that. Lots to consider!

But I see how it could work now.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions

Would it have been overturned?

How could the refs say there was incontrovertible evidence that Gates had caught the ball and had control when Bailey took it away immediately. Didn’t look like enough evidence of control by Gates (IMO) to overtrun the call on the field (if the equipment had been working).

I like a man who fights with a grin on his face. Winston Churchill.

by bradley on Sep 15, 2008 7:59 AM MDT reply actions

The replay looked pretty convincing to me

that he had control until he was down by contact, and only then was Champ able to wrest it away.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Sep 15, 2008 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions

from I heard

dual possesion is not a reviewable play. But what could have aided the chargers on that play was when the dual possesion occured, If it was before Chambers elbow hit. But regardless, I am not gonna sit here a talk about something that cant be changed. Bottom line is Denver won

Though the end is near, Still I am not sorry

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 15, 2008 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions

Me either.

We won. It’s almost been 24 hours. I’m ready to win 52-49 against NO. Lets look towards next week.

Bic Mac, Casino Royale, and the Slot Machine.

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by broncodude793 on Sep 15, 2008 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions

In the AFC Champ game,

they ruled Parker was not down, but the ground cause the fumble. Plus, both had possession. Chambers has to play DB. That is Champs ball. The rules basically cancel each other out and put it soley on Ed Hercules.

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by broncodude793 on Sep 15, 2008 8:54 AM MDT reply actions