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Cutler weary as game went on?

First of all, this post is in no way intended to criticize Jay Cutler- he had the game of his short but spectacular career this afternoon.  But it seemed as if his mechanics and decisiveness deteriorated as the game went on.  Some of this can be attributed to increasing pressure.  While at the beginning of the game Cutler was virtually untouched, as the game went on, it seemed the Charger pass rush was looming closer and closer, and Cutler eventually did take several hits.  I was very worried on several plays as Cutler stood in the pocket and seemed like he failed to pull the trigger as promptly as he should have.

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But although some of the drop off in offense can be explained by the increasing pressure on the QB by the Chargers, it is fairly clear that Cutler made several very boneheaded mistakes in the fourth quarter.

1) Throwing interception in end zone (should have either tucked the ball away and ran for the 1st down or thrown the ball away and taken the FG)

2) Dropped the ball two times (once when he completed a pass to D. Graham (who incidentally seems to be more involved in the offense than last year, a good sign for the O line) and once on 2nd down on the last game-winning drive)

These mistakes can obviously be overlooked for the amazing game Jay-C otherwise had (4TDs) which honestly could have been better given some dropped balls (eg Scheffler letting a pass bounce off his chest near the end zone for the 2nd straight week).  However one has to wonder: how good of a job are the Broncos, and specifically Steve Antonopoulos (aka Greek) of managing Cutler's blood sugar?  The drop off in decisiveness in the 2nd half was pretty severe.  Although Jay-C regained his swagger to win the game, it seemed like for a while that he was a bit down (although he is pretty coldblooded, which I like for a QB).  In addition, diabetics can get diabetic neuropathy which can cause loss of feeling (due to nerve damage) to hands/feet.  I highly doubt that this is the case for Cutler because the risk for diabetic neuropathy increase with age and duration of diabetes, and Cutler is rather young.  It just seems really bizarre how the ball twice just fell out of his hand when he wasn't under severe pressure (w/out defensive contact).

Overall, i think the broncos are looking at a very bright future, and our main rivals in the AFC are the steelers- we could be seeing them in the AFC championship game again.  THE Main reason for this is the ability of Jay Cutler, but I just wanted to see if anyone else was wondering about the job the Broncos are doing of managing his blood sugar in game.  It seems like it would be better to keep it high than low. 

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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First off...

Thanks for the insightful post, and for supporting your comments so well.

Personally, for me, I am putting full faith in the doctors and training staff. I told myself, and everyone on the podcast, that I would not use Cutler’s condition to be an excuse for his play, good or bad. So for me, and again this is just my opinion, I am going to chalk up all three plays on being a young QB trying to make something happen….

Again, solid post, recced….

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by John Bena on Sep 15, 2008 6:17 AM MDT reply actions  

I was actually hesitant to bring this up because I was also pretty reluctant to use Jay-C’s condition as an excuse for any mistakes. I think that anyone would be more than happy with his play regardless of diabetes. Its just that dropping the ball like that twice was just ridiculous. I don’t want to be afraid that he’ll just drop the ball on every play.

by orange&blueblood on Sep 15, 2008 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

I've gotta agree,

Is it more likely that a world class medical squad messed up Jay’s blood sugar, or that a young QB made a few mistakes that could have cost his team the game? To me the bigger story is how well he came back from those mistakes.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Sep 15, 2008 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree

His condition doesn’t make him throw that pick in the endzone. Despite any fall off there was in the second half he stepped up on the TD and conversion.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

by weazel on Sep 15, 2008 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think blood sugar had any effect at all

I think the Chargers, staring 0-2 in the face, ratcheted up their intensity to a level the Broncos weren’t able to match. It was what I was afraid of when they lost last week. I imagine that not only was there increased pressure on Cutler from the pass rushers, but that the secondary was covering better, too. When a team gets momentum all positions, units, and players tend to play better, not just one segment, in this instance the pass rushers. His dropping the ball was just mistakes, period, although he did mention that the second time it was a new ball and slippery.

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by spock on Sep 15, 2008 8:48 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed.

It was a little odd. However, he threw 50 times and dropped back even more. So, if you take 50, the 2 fumbles, the int, and the 2 runs outta bounds for losses, that’s 45 outta 50 where nothing happend, 90 percent.

Like I said, I think he has to adjust to this. For 20 plus years he thought he was just tired.

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by broncodude793 on Sep 15, 2008 8:50 AM MDT reply actions  

I thought adult onset meant that he really wasn't suffering the symptoms until they really showed up last year,

but I’m no doctor

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Sep 15, 2008 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Two things

I would say it was a combination of self-imposed pressure and throwing 50 times. The most he has ever thrown in his NFL career is 39 times (twice).

I think the medical staff on teams is top-notch and would think they have that part of it under control.

by coffee on Sep 15, 2008 9:16 AM MDT reply actions  

First Post Here...

First off, I must say this site rules.

Cutler’s mistakes bothered me all night, but they should not outweigh his outstanding performance yesterday. His worst mistake was the pick, imo. I wonder if he was still a little woozy from that shot he took early on that drive? The hit was flat-out vicious. Plus, it was the first real shot he’s taken in the pocket in nine months, to my recollection.

He made a few nice plays to get them in the RZ, but the INT throw was way out of line, considering his RZ decisions thus far in 2008. I think the ball slipping out of his hands is more attributed to pressure than anything else. Regardless, this guy is special.

by ButteBronco on Sep 15, 2008 9:41 AM MDT reply actions  

Welcome to MHR!

That block JayC had on San Diego’s LB that allowed Young to run another 20 yards was absolutely amazing wasn’t it? Jay is a young qb who is going to make a couple mistakes here and there. Thankfully we wont be playing teams like the Chargers all year who have I think 9 pro bowlers on there team.

"I am he, as you are he, as you are me, and we are all together." - The Beatles

by Denver_Native on Sep 15, 2008 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think Jay got caught int he middle of the INT, trying to think

When you watch teh replay, he was getting ready to rifle it in there when he saw the nickle back closing fast. I think if Jay had set up to wing that ball in there with some zip, it would have made it.

I think he thought this as well, as he was going into his release. Problem was, you can’t put zip on the ball halfway through the throw, he seemed to realize this as well. he literally fell down as he was trying NOT to throw that ball. That is like 3 decisions in less than one second. Even as he was going to the turf, his body mechanics were of a guy preparing to roll back up, because he knew he had an INT to play defense on.

A messy play with a misread, indecision and the confidence of a competitor at the heart of it. It was killer, but it didn’t bother me in the grand scheme of things.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

My experience with the Big D- diabetes........................

Cutler has type one diabetes which is called Juvenile Diabetes. My wife has had this since she was 18 months old. Just to give everyone a first hand account of how it works, I’ll share my experiences. My wife has experienced highs and lows and both can effect physical and mental performance in a negative manner. Her lows are usually accompanied by a spacy or sort of drunk feeling, sometimes her mind goes and her physical capabilities are fine but it has also worked the other way as well. So to run them in the lower half of the range is not good. Also the highs are accompanied by nausea and fatigue so you can’t run them high either. The middle of the range is critical for peak mental and physical performance. The lows don’t do any long term damage as long as they aren’t low for an extended period of time. The highs don’t necessarily do any short term damage but if blood sugars are run high on a consistent basis, that can cause blindness and other health problems later on in life. My wife is extremely careful to keep hers right in the middle and she can usually maintain that by checking her blood sugars 4-5 times daily. I would say that Jay’s mistakes were not related to diabetes, we have to remember this is a young quarterback. I think he is bordering on greatness, but there will be growing pains, and I’ll tell you this, if all we get is 6-7 touchdowns and one pick every 2 games, I’ll take it. The drops are concerning but I don’t think you can blame the diabetes for those. Besides that, if we play even a little defense, it doesn’t come down to that. With this offense, we don’t have to have a knockout defense but we have to be at least average.

The player who thinks he can and the player who knows he can are two different players, which one are you???

by Broncofan on Sep 15, 2008 10:58 AM MDT reply actions  

This bugs me

All QB’s make mistakes. JC made a poor choice on his pick and on the fumble he just lost the ball. If anyone here thinks that is cuz of his ailment, lemme take you back to opening night 1994 Denver inside the 10 against SD down 37-34 and low and behold Denver is gonna win, guess what happened ELWAY had the ball slip out of his hands. He suffered not disease. So quit trying to disect a great preformance. Sure its a good post but Denver WON THE GAME! Last I checked that trumps all. I bothers me more trying to pick apart a great game by a young QB. Do not forget this is Cutler 23rd start. I dare anyone to find a guy with 100% confidence from his coach after 23 starts

Though the end is near, Still I am not sorry

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 15, 2008 12:14 PM MDT reply actions  

This bugs me

All QB’s make mistakes. JC made a poor choice on his pick and on the fumble he just lost the ball. If anyone here thinks that is cuz of his ailment, lemme take you back to opening night 1994 Denver inside the 10 against SD down 37-34 and low and behold Denver is gonna win, guess what happened ELWAY had the ball slip out of his hands. He suffered not disease. So quit trying to disect a great preformance. Sure its a good post but Denver WON THE GAME! Last I checked that trumps all. I bothers me more trying to pick apart a great game by a young QB. Do not forget this is Cutler 23rd start. I dare anyone to find a guy with 100% confidence from his coach after 23 starts

Though the end is near, Still I am not sorry

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 15, 2008 12:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Thoughts from a former medic / coach

I agree with Guru’s thoughts (including the rec!), and with Bronco fan (who has diabetes).

And here’s another thought. If Cutler’s sugar rates were problematic, only two things would happen. One, he gets treatment on the sideline and he’s good to play. Two, his level isn’t acceptable, and he gets pulled. If Cutler was on the field, it’s because his blood sugar was fine. I really don’t think diabetes can affect him on the field, because he won’t be on the field if his levels are bad. He WILL be on the field at all times, because it won’t be difficult for the sideline group (which includes an MD, in addition to the regular trainer staff) to keep his levels stablized.

Diabetes is a big deal, IF untreated. With the attention Cutler gets from the Broncos medical staff, he won’t miss any time on the field, and diabetes won’t be a factor if he makes any mistakes.

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by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 3:48 PM MDT reply actions  

Give Jay a break

He played a hell of a game, especially in the first half. He had a ton on his shoulders. Only normal for him to be a bit tired later. But he did what needed to be done at the end.

I like a man who fights with a grin on his face. Winston Churchill.

by bradley on Sep 15, 2008 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

What?!?!?

Give Jay a break? Where was I critical of Jay? I thought he played a monstrously good game.

???????

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry

My comment was not in response to yours, but a general observation. Guess I hit the reply button when I didn’t intend to. I wasn’t responding to your comment.

I like a man who fights with a grin on his face. Winston Churchill.

by bradley on Sep 15, 2008 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whew!

I was thinking, “Where in the Hell did that come from?”

Thanks for the clarification.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

More clarification

I agree with all you said in your “Thoughts from a former medic/coach” post.

I like a man who fights with a grin on his face. Winston Churchill.

by bradley on Sep 15, 2008 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

According to Silver

Jays sugar levels were fine the entire game

Though the end is near, Still I am not sorry

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 15, 2008 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was pretty apparent to me...

That the hit he took earlier in the interception drive, messed Jay up for the rest of the game. That drive was going great, and Cutty was throwing sharp crisp passes. No hesitation. As soon as he took that hit, I think he started hearing footsteps, his decision making became less desisive and he dropped the ball on his own twice.

No big deal really, he will be back to normal next sunday, and as he matures he will learn to forget about those hits.

Go M's

by OBF on Sep 15, 2008 5:27 PM MDT reply actions  

I wondered about Jay's blood sugar also.

He did look unusually fatigued the second half, until the last drive or two. I mean it is normal to see guys fatigued in the fourth, but when he appeared fatigued and sluggish in the third, I was wondering about his blood sugars.

I don’t know if it was really an issue or not, but if it was, no one would ever admit it. But to me it does seem possible, cause keeping ones levels set is not as easy and quick as some think. Even if a check indicates a need for a shot or a sugar bar, it takes some time for it to even out the blood stream. Also when you consider the fact that this diabetes game management is new to him and the Broncos, it is doubtful they have the exact routine set after only one and half games. So to me it does seem possible.

I don’t think talking about it is making excuses. It is just a possibility (even if remote) which makes for interesting blog discussion. So I think this was a good blog topic.

by The Gun Young on Sep 15, 2008 6:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Good point...........................

However, I’m sure they would be using injections or IV’s to monitor his levels if he were off a bit. These take only minutes to take effect. An IV takes only a minute or two to kick in whereas a sugar bar can take up to 30 minutes to take effect. BTW, just to clarify HT, it is my wife who has diabetes, my opinion comes from 14 years of taking care of her. LOL We’ve had some fun times when she gets a bit low and acts slightly drunk. It is a serious disease, but it comes with the territory and we’ve lived through a lot of scary moments but we’ve learned to take it in stride and see the humorous times in it. She is still a blessing I don’t deserve.

The player who thinks he can and the player who knows he can are two different players, which one are you???

by Broncofan on Sep 15, 2008 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

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