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Denver Broncos 39 - San Diego Chargers 38 - Making The Grade

One last look at the Chargers game before moving full throttle to Week 3's Home matchup with the Saints. We'll talk much more about that, but it is time for this week's edition of  "Making The Grade" where I will grade the Broncos performance from the day before.  The most important "grade" is the one on the scoreboard, and for the Broncos this week it was another W.  What about the players performance?  Let's take a look....

QUARTERBACK
 

B

 

Jay Cutler -- 36/50 - 350 yds, 4 TD, 1 INT

It was another monster performance for Cutler.  He was on target all day long, and to throw 50 passes and complete 72% of them is simply amazing.  I can't, however, give Cutler anything better than a B because of the Red Zone pick.  That play could have easily cost the Broncos the game, had things turned out differently.  These things are going to happen with a young quarterback, however, and it is his effort at making a play every time he takes a snap that enables him to make 25 good plays before he makes 1 bad one.  The hope is he learns from it and doesn't repeat it.  Cutler knows this, and I am confident that we won;t see many more plays like this going forward.  As an offense, the Broncos are still rolling, and through two games the team has scored points on 13/19(68%) possessions, with 10/13(77%)scoring possessions resulting in touchdowns.

Star-divide

RUNNING BACK
 

B

Selvin Young - 8 carries, 78 yards, 9.8 ypc

The final stats are right where the Broncos want to be - 24 carries / 145 yards / 6.0 ypc - but the running game still needs some fine tuning.  Take away a 49-yard run by Selvin Young, and the Broncos stat line looked like this - 23 carries / 96 yards / 4.1 ypc -- There were times in the game, specifically in the 3rd quarter, that the Broncos wanted to run to "shorten" the game but were unable to.  That lead to a couple 3rd and long plays that the Broncos were unable to convert, thus allowing the Chargers back into the game.  The running game will continue to take a back seat to a pass heavy offense, but the Broncos need to find a way to dial it up when they want to kill some clock.  Perhaps when Ryan Torain returns??

WIDE RECEIVER
 

A+

  Brandon Marshall - 18 rec. / 166 yards / 1 TD / 9.2 avg

For the second consecutive week I can't go any other direction than A+.  Every time a play needed to be made, Cutler and his corp of receivers was there to make it.  Marshall's performance, considering he didn't practice for the week during his suspension, was epic and catapults him to one of the elite receivers in this league.  I keep repeating it, but the fact that I am still in awe of what I saw while I was in Denver will keep it in the forefront of my mind all season.  There isn't a DB in the Nationla Football League that can cover him.  No One.

Marshall wasn't the only one, as Eddie Royal made to two biggest catches of the game, on virtually the same play.   His little "sugar" move to get open in the endzone was well beyond his years, and Royal's ability to hang on to 2 Cutler laser beams back-to-back is as awesome as it gets.

TIGHT END
 

A

Tony Scheffler - 6 rec. / 64 yards / 2 TD / 10.7 ypc

Obviously the tights ends had a solid game in the passing game.  Everyone associated with the Broncos' aerial attack firing on all cylinders.  Scheffler had a solid game, making up for the dropped TD pass last week.  Daniel Graham also had a couple receptions and Nate Sexy got involved as well.  Where the group cemented their 'A' was with solid blocking, especially by Graham.  The tight end play is becoming more and more consistent and it looks like Tony Scheffler is going to have a huge season.

OFFENSIVE LINE
 

A

Officially, the Chargers were credited with a sack, but for most of the afternoon the O-Line did a wonderful job against a solid pass rush, even without Shawne Merriman.  I focused much of my attention on Ryan Clady and form what I saw this kid is going to be a star.  Everything you have heard about his footwork is 100% accurate.  For his size, his moves better than anyone I have ever seen.  Ryan Harris was just as strong on the other side.  One small downer would be the run blocking.  In an interesting twist of irony, the Broncos have an O-Line group that pass blocks better than run-blocks, which makes sense when looking at the personnel on the outside.  Clady and Harris played in Pro Style, pass-happy offenses, which clearly explains their strength as pass blockers.  The run-blocking will come as they get more comfortable in the Broncos' system, but for now, the Broncos are going with what works.
DEFENSIVE LINE
 

D

This group has got to start to improve if the Broncos are going to success like those of you living in "La-La Land" say they will.  Having a high powered offense is almost as much of a curse as it is a blessing.  You can see how teams are going to try and attack the Broncos.  Teams know that the Broncos are focused on stopping the run so what do they do?  Spread the Broncos out and throw the ball all over the field.  That shows the other vulnerability of the D-Line, the inability to get consistent pressure from the front four.  This allows opposing quarterbacks to have all day to throw, and like I've said in the past, give any QB in the NFL 5 seconds to throw and he is going to beat you.  This group, in whatever rotation is on the field, needs to get to the quarterback.  Perhaps a Jarvis Moss sighting is in order??
LINEBACKER
 

C-

I may be a little lenient with the C-, but I thought Boss Bailey had a pretty steady game, all things considered.  D.J. was also solid, though he wasn't the impact player in this game I was hoping for.  Alot of that could have been what the Chargers were doing on offense, but D.J. is now getting paid ALOT OF MONEY to be an impact player on defense.  D.J. will be fine, however.  The guy I want to know about is Nate Webster, who disappeared for long stretches during the game.  Again, your MLB cannot make alot of plays when the offense is throwing the ball all over the field, but Webster just didn't seem to be visiable.  I have always liked Webster's energy adn what he brings to a defense in spurts.  The question is, can he do it week in, week out.

DEFENSIVE BACKS
 

C

Sometimes, you have to tip your cap to the guys on the other side of the line of scrimmage who get paid to play football as well.  as much as I dislike Phil Rivers, I have to admit he played a solid football game.  The few times the Broncos did bring some pressure, Rivers was able to move around in the pocket and deliver the ball accurately and timely.  On the deep pass to Chris Chambers, it is easy to say the Champ Bailey was toasted, but to be fair to Champ, the pass was dropped perfectly to Chambers in stride.  There is no defense to the perfectly thrown pass.  Like Brandon Marshall, Chris Chambers is a big receiver with freakish talent.  There is no shame when that guy makes some plays.  The Broncos did do a solid job in the Red Zone, and the tackling by the DB's was solid as well. 
SPECIAL TEAMS
 

D

A year ago the Broncos had a big lead, on the road, against a team they should beat.  What happened?  A kick return for a TD allowed their opponent to feel like they were still in the game.  The Broncos went on to lose that football game.  The same thing nearly happened yesterday when Darren Sproles returned a kickoff 103 yards for a score right after the Broncos took a 21-3 lead.  Who knows how the game turns out if the Broncos defense, which was playing pretty well at the time, were allowed to take the field with an 18 point lead.  As it was, the Broncos responded with a field goal of their own, but the game from that point never felt quite the same.

On the plus side, I thought Brett Kern was solid in the punting game, and Matt Prater did a good job kicking off.  To be fair to Prater, 80% of the return guys in the NFL kneel when the ball is kicked 4 yards deep.  Sproles is an exception and it ost the Broncos.  It was nice to see Prater drill his first long-range field goal, a 52 yarder that ended up pplaying a huge role in the game.

COACHING
 

A+

Two weeks in a row Mike Shanahan is on top of his game.  Of Course, having the talent around you to be able to utilize a game plan is a huge part  I said it before that I was 100% behind the decision to go for two, and the message that decision sends to a football team.  No one has a better feel for the pulse of the team than the Head Coach, and Shanahan is no different.  He knew what winning the game in the way the Broncos did could mean for the rest of the year.  The gamble was well worth the risk, and the payoff moving forward will be huge.
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What Grade Do You Give The Broncos For Yesterday's Game?
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B
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C
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D
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F
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Bottom line for me. They beat the Chargers - A+ for the week!

It’s hard to believe a guy can throw for 350 yards, 4TDs and 1INT would be graded out at a B. He completed 36 passes out of 50..that my friends is 72% completion percentage. I understand the pick in the red zone, but maybe an A- or B+ might be worthy. That pick is really the only black mark on a rather amazing day for our young QB. The “fumble” didn’t count so we can ignore that. lol

Man, last year I despised the similar series you ran like this Guru…this year its fast becoming my favorite!! Let’s keep the dream alive against the Saints!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 12:56 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

PS

We have some major holes on defense….but I think our offense will be good enough to keep this ship afloat into the playoffs.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you read my comments on Cutler??

I said it was a monster performance…I mentioned the 72%. But, I bet you a Brew that the Broncos graded Cutler lower because of the pick. I am taking a critical eye, because the goal is to win the Super Bowlllll

-TSG

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by John Bena on Sep 15, 2008 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did read the comments, I was just giving my own contradictory thoughts.

I wasn’t picking on ya. Does it help if I say I completely agreed with every other grade you handed out? Except I would have graded our DLine an F. lol

I’ll get you to drink some of my koolaid before this year is finished. I promise!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's say I would have given him an A-

Realistically, I think a B+ is fair because he showed the poise of a veteran and led his team to the promised land in spite of his bad throw.

I wonder how many A or B grades would have been given to John elway from any of those 4th quarter comebacks.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again missing the forest for the trees

Yes, bad throw, but rather harsh to give him anything other than an A-, he made great throws all day, spread the balls around, and was money when he had to be. I really thought after the third quarter, whoever had the ball last would win, luckily that didn’t happen, but it was one of those games that neither defense was going to stop anyone. I am just glad the Chargers didn’t have any timeouts at the end of the ball game, or I could of seen them getting a late FG to win.

"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman

by Broncoman on Sep 15, 2008 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just glad you guys are being realistically critical of the performance...

Over at ‘Silver and Black Pride’ Russel got a B+ rating after going 6-17, 55 yards 0TD.

by Jay Elway on Sep 15, 2008 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Higher standards

Jay grades out according to what a Superbowl winning QB will be expected to do, Jamakus Fail grades out according to what a pending draft bust needs to do.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, yes much higher standards.

I don’t drink nearly as much koolaid as those guys do!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

in their kool-aid is some alkiehal

Though the end is near, Still I am not sorry

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 15, 2008 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

the fumbles too

The interception wasn’t as disturbing to me as the two fumbles. Interceptions do happen, that one was a DB crossing underneath in a tough spot. Certainly could have been avoided, but kinda falls in the `shit happens’ category for me. The fumbles on the other hand were fairly inexcusable and I think add up to a letter grade for me.

by bushwah on Sep 15, 2008 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you read my comments on Cutler??

I said it was a monster performance…I mentioned the 72%. But, I bet you a Brew that the Broncos graded Cutler lower because of the pick. I am taking a critical eye, because the goal is to win the Super Bowlllll

-TSG

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by John Bena on Sep 15, 2008 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He put the ball on the ground twice

in addition to the pick. The last fumble would have lost the game if the ref hadn’t erred. B.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Sep 15, 2008 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was at total peace

when cutler fumbled that ball. I was like “We just lost. It is over.” and was already working my blood pressure and heart rate back down.

Then straight back into frenzy when hochuli made the announcement… “WTF???!?!?!??”

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I almost mirrored that reaction. I had resolved to lose the game and almost turned it off

Holy Crap am I glad I rarely turn off a Bronco game until I see 0:00…thank you Elway for that!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the second half up until the fumble then I walked away...

and then the Broncos won.

Am I a jinx?

To have striven, to have made the effort, to have been true to certain ideals - this alone is worth the struggle. - William Penn

Tom Arnold, of Fox Sports Net's Best Damn Sports Show Period, said this about Warren Sapp: "Hey, Warren, the Raiders signed you to a seven-year deal. I guess Bill Callahan was right --- they are the dumbest team in America."

by Philistine21 on Sep 15, 2008 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO

U just need more faith baby!

by metalman5050 on Sep 15, 2008 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

good point! Gotta hang in there Philistine! Nobody here is a jinx on the Broncos!

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as I watched they stank..

then I walk away and they get a lucky break and win. Coincidence?

To have striven, to have made the effort, to have been true to certain ideals - this alone is worth the struggle. - William Penn

Tom Arnold, of Fox Sports Net's Best Damn Sports Show Period, said this about Warren Sapp: "Hey, Warren, the Raiders signed you to a seven-year deal. I guess Bill Callahan was right --- they are the dumbest team in America."

by Philistine21 on Sep 15, 2008 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on your time zone

It might have just been delayed good luck! ;)

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

WELL, THAT BEING THE CASE THEN, PLEASE STOP WATCHING THE GAMES!

LOL! Who else walked away and then OUR guys CAME BACK?

by metalman5050 on Sep 15, 2008 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

guilty

although I never turned the game off. Just walked away from the PC and MHR so I could focus my energy on helping them win :)

by MattR on Sep 15, 2008 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their offense

Their offense would definitely deserve a B+ or A-. They played stellar, aside from a few missed 3rd conversions and that interception in the red zone. Defensively, they played very well in the red zone, but overall pretty horrible against those big plays. I’d give the defense a C- at best.

by muellator on Sep 15, 2008 1:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My take.

Offense “A”; how can you give anything else to a unit that scores 39 points? Even the best game has some clunker plays. Defense “D”; the best that can be said is that they didn’t lose it. Special teams “C”; the touchdown was a game changer that let them up off the mat but everything else was good.

Average everything out and my overall grade has to be a “C”.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 15, 2008 1:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts

Cutler – B+. 1 huge mistake and 1 that should have been. If not for “Early Whistle Ed” Cutler would have had 2 turnovers in the Red Zone late in the game. With the strides Cutler has taken in the off season, I expect these mistakes to happen every once in a while, but he will still have some growing pains every now and again. We won and otherwise Cutler had a great game, but those are 2 glaring mistakes that I can’t overlook.

WR – A+. Marshall and Royal might be the best WR combo in the league, they certainly have an argument to be up there. Stokely is back to his natural spot, so he shouldn’t wear down like last year. I don’t think I ever saw D-Jack on the field (that’s not a bad thing).

RBs – B. A pedestrian performance from the vaunted Denver running game. I would almost have Pittman #1 on the depth chart after the first 2 games, he just seems to want the tough yards more – we need 2 he gets 4. Selvin doesn’t look like he’s added any pounds from last year, maybe it will just show up in his durability over the season, but the way they are splitting carries, I’m not sure that it will make a difference. I think I saw Hillis only carry once, I don’t remember his blocking though.

TE – A+. Between blocking and catching we have the best TEs in the game.

OL – A. Passing protection is just awesome, especially with Clady and Harris as first year starting tackles. Run blocking needs some work, but it will come. I like seeing Lichensteiger as a blocking fullback and getting him some game experience.

Overall offensive grade – A. A couple of mistakes against a team that was in the AFCCG last year and a W.

Now we come to the Defense…

DL – D. A few holding flags should have been thrown on the SD OL, we got little pressure and just looked exactly like the cover your eyes defense last year.

LB – D. A bad angle taken by Nate Webster let Sproles get by him on that swing pass that went for a TD. I think I’d rather have Niko in there and be solid if slower to react. I see #58 chasing plays from behind way too much. I hope we spend our top pick on a Mike next year.

DB – B- Their jobs are made so much more difficult because of the play of the front 7. Bailey got beat on a perfectly thrown ball by Rivers, but made several good plays too. Didn’t really see Bly so that was good, but the Chargers went after Paymah big time, and it paid off. I’m wondering if Jack Williams will be seen by the end of the year as the nickel back.

Overall defense: D+ We need to get off the field on 3rd & long.

ST – C-. Prater needs to be booming kickoffs 8 yards deep at home like Kaeding was, but him nailing a 52 yarder was nice to see. Punting was solid. Kickoff coverage – UGH.

Coaching – A+. We’ve seen 2 weeks and can now say that “The Mastermind” has returned. Over the last 5 years, I was amazed at his coaching ability to get the most out of the offense with the players he had on the field. Now that he has all the weapons – look out league! I was nervous about the 2 point conversion only in the sense of the execution, not the call (not with the way our defense had been playing, we lose the coin toss, we lose the game).

Overall – B+ We beat a team that held us to 6 points over 2 games last year, while abusing our defense. Our team still has some work to do (namely on D and ST coverage), but we are light-years ahead of last year.

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by Darin H on Sep 15, 2008 1:25 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Djax was deactivated for the game

I think.

Hillis had a sweet cut block on the strongside of a play (broncos actually ran primarily strongside to Clady’s side this week. Whether that is a comment on Clady’s run-blocking, pass-blocking, or the SD pass rush on the left, i do not know.)

Love seeing licks10tigers(L10T anyone? No? ok.) gettig reps, by hook or by crook.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most teams runs strongside most of the time....

…for several reasons (in fact, SD breaks this trend more often than every other team).

For one, the strong side is where the TE is (extra run blocker). Second (little known factoid), the better run blockers on a team get the right side assignments, while the pass blocking guys typicaly get the left side assignments. Handoffs are also easier for a right handed QB to a right handed HB. All of this is so entrenched in football thinking, that teams (even the pros) don’t change up personnel to accomodate lefty QBs. The majority of runs (and the OL) will still orient to the right side (and the TE will typicaly line up there too, which defines the strong side).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

what I thought was odd

was that the TE lined up off of Clady. i didn’t see that at all in the preseason, and it wasn’t common in the fader game.

What do you estimate is an average for a team to reverse which side is the strongside in a game?

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don't know.

But I do remember reading that the first play (something like 95+%) is an inside run to the strongside (almost always the right side), for what that’s worth. : )

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying lines up, or including after a motion?

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lining up.

with no motion by the TE. It looked like a base formation for the game.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can live with that assessment.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

on Webster

He also missed a tackle on Sproles on a long run. He came running in to fill the gap and ran right past Sproles who ran for about 20-30 yds (if I remember right). Had him right at the line, but whiffed.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano

by DesertBroncoFan on Sep 16, 2008 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Webster also ran right by Sproles on the 66 yd TD late in the game

over pursue baby! no flying helmets today…to bad

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 16, 2008 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think anything higher than an F- (yes minus) is too high for the defense!!!

And why do people keep saying “we have one of the best special teams coaches in the league”? Because he’s been doing it for nineteen or twenty years? This guy needs to go…NOW!!!! Our special teams have been awful for years! This guy needs to be on the first train out of Denver. Having a good run defense means nothing if we are consistently burnt by wide open receivers. 2/3rds of this team looked flat out BAD on Sunday. We’re lucky to get a win and I’ll take it. But…

by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 15, 2008 1:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I am one of the guys who hasn't bailed on Scott o'brien

but I am wearing thin. I am waiting to see if this is a gelling problem with a completely rebuilt ST unit, or if he really isn’t getting his message instilled in these players. I’m running out of excuses for him…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't this just his second year with us?

No excuses, because I’m wearing thin too. I just don’t like bumping a coach once the season has started. A lot of upheavel. (Maybe STs isn’t as big of a deal for an STs guy at the pro level, I just don’t know).

But yeah, I’m almost out of excuses too. Coverage is pathetic. It’s telling that Bailey is having to bail us out in coverage. That’s not exceptable, having to risk him.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking it's been longer than that...

…but maybe not. Either way, the STs looked bad…again!

by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 15, 2008 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he joined us when Bates did.

(Last year).

Either way, I’m having a hard time defending him.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Champ has two stops

that would have gone for TDs this year already!

The first against the long return by the faders when they ran it back 58 yds and again against the chargers.

That can NOT be our answer to ST coverage!

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano

by DesertBroncoFan on Sep 16, 2008 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would give it an F+

Granted they looked horrible the second half, which scares me because we have the Saints coming up with Bush being a better version of Sproles, but in all fairness, I think if we had not had the break down in the coverage of Sproles return, then we probably hold SD to maybe a FG or less there and that game would of been a rout since that return really energized that team.

"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman

by Broncoman on Sep 15, 2008 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of note on the special teams

After all this talk about how Niko was a special teams demon, I have yet to see it, we are paying a lot of money for a back-up MLB, who is not making many plays.

"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman

by Broncoman on Sep 15, 2008 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the TD return

he was in the 3rd wave, behind the wedgebusters and the first wave. He seemed to have recognized that the wedge absolutely crushed our wedgebusters, and sproles had cut to the left side of the field (sprole’s left). Niko pulled a nifty spin move to change directions, and then got hit in the back. Because he was spinning I don’t think the refs could call block in the back, but he effectively was taken out of the play by it.

He seems to be occupying a “Strong safety” role on STs, responsible for the vanguard, but expected to be attack.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is something

they do call, so if what you say is true it looks like not only our touchdown but also their touchdown was made possible by a missed call.

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by spock on Sep 16, 2008 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every team has these types of games...

shootouts rarely are indicative of overall defensive weaknesses throughout the season. We dominated the Raiders defensively last week…this game(hindsight being 20/20) had shootout written all over it. The 64-6 thumping in two games last year, the frustration, the anger….

Both teams came into this game expecting to dominate. Well they did, just one-sided like. The better team won…period. ;)

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We did not "dominate the Raiders defensively"!!!

The Raiders moved the ball with relative ease until they did something stupid to stop themselves. Russell missed several wide open receivers and their RBs did pretty much whatever they wanted.

by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 15, 2008 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was there man....the Raiders offense was being dominated

Physically and Emotionally. I could see it plainly on their faces. Sure they missed a couple of wide open plays, but a big reason for that was because of the mental edge the Broncos D had over the Raider Offense.

Their RBs did nothing really. They averaged about 3.6 yards per carry, until that ONE big run in the 4th quarter by Justin Fargas that broke for 40+ yards. ONE play. When the game was essentially over.

Look what happened this week…Raiders ran for like 300 yards rushing. We dominated them except for one play. Now the Chargers Offense was another story…they dominated US. lol

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you watched the replay of the game?

The Raiders were able to run on us early and late. I understand that they had a big 4th quarter run that accounted for a lot of their yards…however, they also muffed a reverse that subtracted substantilly from their total yards. I agree the Raiders looked overwhelmed and outclassed; but they were still able to move the football on the ground. The early lead by the Broncos forced the Raiders to emphasize passing and move away from the running game, otherwise they would have had a lot more yards on the ground. And allowing 150 yards, regardless of circumstance, is not dominating. I’m honestly not trying to simply be contrarian…I’m trying to shed some light I what I percieve to be some major and concerning defensive deficiencies. That way the conversation can focus on how to fix it. First step is admitting you have a problem! ;-)

by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 15, 2008 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sounds like a serious problem.

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by Broncoman on Sep 15, 2008 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You better get that checked out

call a nurse…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We held the Chargers to under 100 yards rushing....

As far as the Raider game…if they had been able to run at will then they wouldn’t have been shut out for 3 quarters. I am just saying, they didn’t run the ball effectively. That is a credit to our D dominating their O for much of the game. The big chunk of yardage that did come came on one play. 1/3 of their total yards rushing came on one play in the fourth quarter when the score was like 41-7.

The Chargers ran for under a 100 yards…its the first time we’ve held them under 100 in 4 games. Sure LT was “hurt”, he still ran the ball 10 times…for 26 yards.

I guess its all about perception. I sensed Broncos domination on D at the game, so did most of the Raider fans around me. I heard more than a few, “How can you let the Broncos dominate?” Minus the obscenities. lol

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree!!!

However, holding the Chargers to under a hundred yards rushing proves the point that you can’t necessarily use stats to argue that a performance was good or bad. We may have held them to under a hundred rushing yards but nobody would argue that our defense was dominating against the Chargers. Why would they run when they could consistently find wide open receivers down field for huge gains. Again, it was apparent in the preseason and, in my opion, in the first two games that we have some major defensive issues. Our awfull defense is an important reason that the botched call at the end of the game is even an issue. We MUST improve!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 15, 2008 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree to point

It also has something to do what Denver is willing to surrender. I feel that Denver was going to stop LT at all costs. But were maybe ill equipt to deal with Chambers. I also think that Jackson wasnt gonna beat Denver as he has done in the past. Plus its 2 weeks into the season, and Denver has played an Oakland team that did run for 300 @KC, and a great offense in SD. Too me I want to see improvements each week. No matter what happens if the dline doesnt get better Denver will have to score 35 a game. Denver needs to get pressure on the QB, and that will make the pass defense better.

Though the end is near, Still I am not sorry

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 15, 2008 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

AMEN BROTHER

Well put. the excitement for me is that it appears that the o of denver is so potent that, when the D is fixed, and it will B fixed, it is going to B a great year!

by metalman5050 on Sep 15, 2008 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Already averaging 40 pts/game

Although, it would be nice if we didn’t have to that up every week (though it is exciting)!

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by DesertBroncoFan on Sep 16, 2008 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I said its all about perception...

I highly doubt anyone thought we were dominate against the Chargers defensively, but the arguement can be made that they were dominate against the Raiders.

Either way, I was hardly the one claiming our defense would be anything but average before the season started. If this team goes far, it will be soley because of the offense. The problems on defense can be fixed relatively quickly(1-2 years from now) to make that all important run at the Championship baby!

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to change the second to last sentence in my previous post..

…from “Our awful defnse” to “Our awful defensive play”. Part of my frustration is that I think this defense has the potential to be good and is significantly underachieving. I want to worry about a “championship run” this year and not two or three years down the road. If that’s even a possibility then this defense needs to step it up big time! Again, I think the talent is there…but maybe not the attitude. I think the attitude starts with the playcalling and trickles down to the play of the athletes on the field. Shanahan and co. are making ballsy calls on offense…I think it’s time for Slowik to match the intensity. I’m willing to give up a couple of big plays if I see the defense going at it and trying to create some big plays as well.

by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 15, 2008 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preach on brotha!

I agree with UM COMPLETELY on that last statement. Underachieving indeed. I really do expect better from the defense. I KNOW the personnel is good enough. Bronco up D!!!

by sadaraine on Sep 15, 2008 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

O'brien

He’s only been there 2 – 3 years. I agree with the point about things wearing thin…it is early so in my opinion he should be able to straighten things out in the next few weeks…if not, he’s got to go.

by sadaraine on Sep 15, 2008 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about activating Barrett off the PS

Barrett seemed to be doing great in the preseason with Wesley Woodyard on special teams, maybe we need to activate him.

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by Broncoman on Sep 15, 2008 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I had a problem when Barrett was cat!

by metalman5050 on Sep 15, 2008 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

ST-C

Yes Prater should be knocking them out of the end zone, but on the Sproles return it was in the endzone, I put that on the coverage team. I think most coverage teams are going to want the guy to bring it out of the end zone since they have a good shot at pinning them inside their 20 yd line. Sproles obviously had a monster day, but our coverage units looked poor in Oakland too.

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by Broncoman on Sep 15, 2008 1:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Overall Grade: C+/B-

The offense speaks for itself.

Defensively I found myself shouting obscenities at Nate Webster and Karl Paymah. Webster was run over by Sproles on the long run that was called back on a Holding penalty. He also was one of several defensive players who were quite literally turned around on the long Sproles TD run. As for Paymah, if he was on the field they were throwing the ball at him. To make matters worse there were times where he didn’t even seem to notice that they were throwing his way. If you watch the 2nd to last pass of the game which was caught by Chambers and called out, Paymah’s big contribution to the play was that he was so far from his coverage assignment he couldn’t get a pass interference flag thrown against him.

Exciting game but we have a long way to go if want to make a serious run in the playoffs.

by Jay Elway on Sep 15, 2008 1:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

and on that play, Paymah looked around and was signalling that it should be a pushout. Dude, you have to TOUCH someone to push them.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Paymah is a Jedi?

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he was signalling that he was shoved...which he was btw

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

could be

and I did comment at the time that it was a pushoff, but it was very minor. I have given up on the pushoff being a penalty. After last year it doesn’t seem to exist…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea...CBs need to start pushing guys in mid air out of bounds...

wonder if the coaches will start working on that sort of technique soon.

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding analysis

I pretty much agree with it right down the line. I do think the run blocking will improve as our young players develop and the unit as a whole becomes better coordinated. Of course, I think you implied that, too.

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by spock on Sep 15, 2008 1:53 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

We were fortunate.

Bic Mac, Casino Royale, and the Slot Machine.

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by broncodude793 on Sep 15, 2008 1:53 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

2-0

Thats the bottom line. The defense had a rough game, but its early in the season. Lets see what happens down the road. Lets dont forget Denver was playing a real good offense also. A pre-season SB pick. So I think this was a great statement game, at least for the offense. The defense will get better

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 15, 2008 2:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Defenses

often are the slow starters in the eraly part of the season, as is evidenced all throughout the league. Can anyone point to a lights out defense right now, that hasn’t had its early moments? Still a few games to play yet, of course, but they all seem pretty inconsistent to me….

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My own three cents worth:

1) I’m in agreement with the B grade on Cutler; he played exceptionally well, except for the 2 (yes, 2) turnovers in the RZ. His grade would be a B- in my books, if only for that block he had to help spring Selvin for that long run. I loved that heads-up play perhaps more than the last couple of throws to Royal. That play was going in the complete opposite direction… most QBs would be chilling, eating a sandwich when Selvin cut it back.

2) The D… ugh, I was soooo frustrated by the beginning of the 4th quarter. It felt like 2007 all over again, with the unacceptable amount of 3rd and long’s our D allowed the Chargers to convert!

3) Finally, I’m not sure if someone’s already covered this but penalties was a bit on the high side. =/

But otherwise… just win baby!!! ;)

by tunga77 on Sep 15, 2008 2:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Fair grades

I think this is a solid evaluation. I would probably go with a B+ on QB due to the courage displayed by throwing the same pass on the 2 pt conversion as on the TD against the exact same defense. It was called by Coach Shanahan but it had to be executed by Cutler.

That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08

by firstfan on Sep 15, 2008 2:15 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

too hard on DL

I’d have to say that everyone is putting too much of the blame for the defense’s performance on the front four. They were certainly not good, but I think that the bigger problem was the LBs. Also, surprisingly, the DBs were fairly poor in this game. Paymah got his ass kicked which was not a surprise, but the rest of the secondary was subpar as well.

by bushwah on Sep 15, 2008 2:15 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts.

The play of the LBs has a lot to do with the need for the DTs to fill the gaps. On pass plays, they aren’t generating the pressure for our DBs to do their thing. I’m thinking the DL is still our weak point.

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by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Engelberger was generating the most pass rush.

That’s a really bad sign, especially against a banged-up O line. Where’s Doom? Where are Marcus and D Rob to collapse the pocket? D line gets a D or an F in my book simply because they couldn’t get an ounce of pressure on Rivers.

I miss Al

by birkheac on Sep 15, 2008 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more.

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s not forget Doom is still wearing that cast and he has admitted he’s not rolling in 5th gear. Wait until he gets those pins removed and is able to go 100%.
Other than that, I don’t have any excuses for the D-line.

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by rynoz71 on Sep 15, 2008 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just feel like the secondary pays the price for

awful play at the line. As the saying goes, Any QB can pick apart a defense when he isnt pressured.

We still have zero sacks two games into the season don’t we?

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Engelberger got one

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by jibbons on Sep 15, 2008 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch

sadly, you helped prove my point a little. Where is everyone else?!?

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Shanahan said defensive tackle Josh Shaw played the second half despite a lacerated calf that later required 40 stitches.”

Mile High will NEVER Die!!!

by rynoz71 on Sep 15, 2008 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my freakin Gawd!

I did not know that.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moss

Was he inactive again??

by tunga77 on Sep 15, 2008 2:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

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by John Bena on Sep 15, 2008 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will he be back for the NO game?

And will his presence be enough to get the rest of the line going and get a grade better than a D?

by Sneaky Sean on Sep 15, 2008 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling...

He will be back because the Saints play a similar offense to the Chargers, in terms of passing game. I’d like to see if Moss can get some pressure on Drew Brees…

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by John Bena on Sep 15, 2008 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Follow up since you answered so promptly

Do you think we will use him in a hybrid DL/LB like they did a little last year before he got hurt?

by Sneaky Sean on Sep 15, 2008 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The most important thing...

For Moss is that he is used in space. His lack of brute strength make him a liability when he is engaged with a lineman. He reminds of Kamerion Wimbley of the Browns. I think the Broncos are just trying to figure out how to use him…

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by John Bena on Sep 15, 2008 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will

officially feel disconcerted if he’s not back for the NO game. =/

by tunga77 on Sep 15, 2008 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I’ve been hearing, Moss’ strength lies in the pass rush. The past two games have been more heavily focused on the run, therefore the absence of Moss. Does this sound correct?

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by rynoz71 on Sep 16, 2008 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what Shanahan has been saying

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
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by DesertBroncoFan on Sep 17, 2008 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think they are going to concentrate on the ground game again for Bush and Co.? Or are we going to try and step up te pass rush to show that we do have a defense to help the offense?

Mile High will NEVER Die!!!

by rynoz71 on Sep 17, 2008 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point bushwah

Question for HT. What kind of allignment were we in when Paymah was getting toasted repeatedly? Were we in some kind of nickel or dime? Is this why Webster “disappeared” for stretches?

That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08

by firstfan on Sep 15, 2008 2:20 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I am going to watch...

The replay of the game to look specifically at this, cuz I want to see where Bly was as well…..Lowery saw alot of playing time also

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by John Bena on Sep 15, 2008 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Webster is out on nickle

paymah is in but lined up outside, Bly either mans the slot or seems to be covering some kind of weakside mid-zone. Let us know what else you see, especially about Lowry. I honestly didn’t notice him at all, except on the sideline.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Lowry was the help over the top Bailey needed on the deep Chambers ball

I was intoxicated though, so I may be wrong.
I can’t help but wonder about Hamza, would he have played that better?

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by jibbons on Sep 15, 2008 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch.

I don’t like Paymah to play outside. I wonder why he isn’t on the slot?

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll defer to Guru on this one.

I had to watch the nfl.com gamecast, which doesn’t actually show the game. I’ve seen replays, but not the actual game. Guru will be able to see what we ran.

(Webster disapeared for stretches because his role is limited in a pass play).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

not even a tv!

Sold everything when my daughter was sick! lol

All is well now. Buildng our savings back up.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 15, 2008 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I guess I should not be complaining

about having to clear up room on my DVR so I can tape the game :)

Glad to hear that all is well now.

by MattR on Sep 15, 2008 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I voted "C"

The offense earned a B+, the defense/Special teams get a D-. Too many points given up by the defense and no pressure on Phyllis gets them that grade. ST were not good. You can’t give up a return TD.

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The creator of the following names: conquered fader nation, Phyllis and his merry men

by mdierk on Sep 15, 2008 2:31 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Where are all the buzzes?

BZZZZZZZZ!!! Are you GREEN or what? (pitiful 5th element reference)

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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 2:31 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

BUZZ UP!

You will see it somewhere at the top or the bottom of each article on MHR. Click it. it will take U to Yahoo where you will be able to recomend this article for the WORLD TO READ ON YAHOO! ’DO YOUR PART" to spread “the word” about MHR, an the greatest football team in the world!

by metalman5050 on Sep 15, 2008 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Styg...

Buzz Buzz Buzz!

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by John Bena on Sep 15, 2008 2:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Today 5 BUZZs, Two hours, 52 comments

Yesterday on the Best in the West Post there were 10 BUZZes in 4 minutes and two comments. Guru is a popular guy!

That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08

by firstfan on Sep 15, 2008 2:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think C is way too high for the DBs only because of how AWFUL Paymah was...

Seriously, it seemed he was getting owned on every big play. He was an F-. There HAS to be someone on the team or practice squad better then him, right? This is why I was against giving up Foxworth. I’d take his bitching and actual coverage over Paymah’s complete incompetence.

by SethGrandpa on Sep 15, 2008 2:51 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome!

I wonder sometimes if the C grade was given because of the valiant effort the secondary put out in spite of Phyllis Rivers having all day to throw the football. Any successful defense must apply consistent pressure on the QB…we have yet to do that. :(

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree 100%

paymah looked a frickin undrafted rookie out there. rivers made a fool out of him. and where the heck was JMFW!?!? he looked like a stud in camp and in games so why isnt he in on 3 wr sets?

by broncoboy on Sep 15, 2008 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still take solace in the fact that Rivers embarassed our 3rd stringer...

while we embarrassed “15 INT in 2008” Cromartie. mwahahahahahahaha

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Rottenburger burning Foxy over and over in the AFC Championship a few years ago

I know it seems like anyone could have done better than Paymah, but I don’t know that that anyone is or has been a Bronco this year. Hopefully Jack Williams, but I’m not watching him practice, and I don’t know what his difficencies are.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Sep 15, 2008 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

experience and size

are his deficiencies. Hands, tackling, speed and great press coverage ability are his benefits. I imagine we will be talking more about him as the week rolls on.

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 15, 2008 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

2-0 baby!

our offense is stacked in the passing game. the only thing we are missing on offense is that STUD runningback. Mabye when Torian returns that could change. Also, where in the world was the defensive line pressure?!?! Rivers had all day to throw! I hope shanny activates jarvis moss. I wanna see what this kid can do when we need pressure on a 3rd and 10 or a 3rd and 12. Or maybe shanny should make a trade for another d-lineman. i dont care how slowik does it, but the broncos need to get more pressure on the qb!

by broncoboy on Sep 15, 2008 3:06 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Bronco fans have nothing to be proud of.

Good game? Hell yeah! However, Denver was definitely outplayed by the Chargers! That was a pathetic way to achieve a victory. The video equipment just happens to not work at a crucial moment and the whistle was accidentally blown! Give me a break! That looked like the Broncos cheated in order to win that game. That’s a fair assumption. It’s happened in the NBA where ref’s have been bribed to give advantages to certain teams or games. The official Ed Hochuli should be suspended or fired! The NFL needs to send a message to all NFL fans! Apologies need to be announced and rule changes need to be made! What if that was a playoff game?

Congratulations to all you Bronco fans! You won the game unfairly!

by JMAN619 on Sep 15, 2008 4:39 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

don't start that....

had your chargers played some defense in the first half, you would not be 0-2.

fader nation is a conquered nation

"Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!"

The creator of the following names: conquered fader nation, Phyllis and his merry men

by mdierk on Sep 15, 2008 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here we go...

The Conspiracy theories come rolling in. Yeah we poured water onto the equipment just before the play happened cause we knew there was going to be controversial decision to be made. Give me a break. The NFL is responsible for the equipment not the organization. Granted the last call should have been a fumble…but Ed blew the whistle. Sure he probably knows he messed up and it probably cost him any chance of officiating in the post season. Suck it up and we’ll see you in December.

Mile High will NEVER Die!!!

by rynoz71 on Sep 15, 2008 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conspiracy Theorist Unite!

Anyone ever stop to consider that the ball was lubed up with petroleum jelly? Perhaps Hochuli was trying to prevent cheating…

It’s so crazy it can’t be false!

by Jay Elway on Sep 15, 2008 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it was lubed with some of "the clear" that was in Merriman or Cooper's bag

"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman

by Broncoman on Sep 15, 2008 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have cracked the case Mr. Holmes!

"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman

by Broncoman on Sep 15, 2008 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me ask you this Charger fan

Had the rolls been reversed, would you be whining? I would be more worried about a defense that gave up so many points (as much of the Broncos fans are), but I am guessing you would say something like that was the right call regarding the whistle and everyone makes mistsakes,, get over it Bronco fans… that sound about right?

"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman

by Broncoman on Sep 15, 2008 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And to your statement that San Diego "outplayed" Denver

Apparently those 30 points before half time didn’t count, the fact your secondary got turned into an inferno didn’t happen, I will say that both offenses were amazaing and both defenses looked horrible, but I don’t think either team outplayed each other. Hence a score of 39-38, SD played better 2nd half and we played bettering in the 1st.

"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman

by Broncoman on Sep 15, 2008 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the last minute, we played a little better

despite the early whistle.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano

by DesertBroncoFan on Sep 16, 2008 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sad but true

"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman

by Broncoman on Sep 15, 2008 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

LoL

Norval Eugene

by Jay Elway on Sep 15, 2008 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the bottom of that article
Kiffin: “Yes, sir?”
Davis: “You are fired.”
Kiffin: “I am?”
Davis: “Yes.”
Kiffin: “But who are you to fire me?”
Davis: “I am Al Davis.”
Kiffin: “No, you’re not. I am Al Davis.”
Davis: “You are? Then who am I?”
Kiffin: “You are Lane Kiffin.”
Davis: “Who the %$!@ is Lane Kiffin?”
Kiffin: “I mean you are Art Shell, not Lane Kiffin. Art Shell.”
Davis: “Well, then I’m fired! You may go.”
Kiffin: “Thank you, sir.”

by MattR on Sep 15, 2008 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if that were a playoff game?

Do you mean like last year when there were crucial missed holding calls – Eli to Tyree and Garrard’s QB sneak late in the WC game vs Pitt? Or do you mean like in 2002 when they blew the Giants game by ruling that a lineman who had reported eligible was illegally downfield on a muffed FG snap (and additionally missing the fact that he was interfered with as the ball came his way)? How ever will the league survive?

by MattR on Sep 15, 2008 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Proud

The Broncos strived and put forth effort. They did not resort to cheap shots. They seem to be good character players. There wasn’t the smack talk like Rivers had. These seem like good reasons to be proud.

Victor Frankl:

What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.

Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.

by wyoeng on Sep 15, 2008 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear you all

Good points by everyone. It’s in the past and nothing can be changed…bla bla bla. The better team lost yesterday. Some can admit it and some can’t. If the roles were reversed, of course I would take the win like everyone else, but like a many people I’d admit the win was unfair or a gift. So there you go bronco fans…there’s your gift! Just know that come December, there will be no Christmas presents.

It’s interesting how many of the sports analysts on television and radio keep making the story to be Shannahan having the guts to go for 2 points when the real story is how the Chargers got cheated throughout the game by a pathetic display of officiating.

by JMAN619 on Sep 15, 2008 5:43 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

GUESS WHAT!

No one got cheated. Plays called by the officiating crew go both ways. Do players ever make a mistake on the field? So do officials. It’s a game played by humans and we ALL make mistakes, and that is all there is to that. You may get “LUCKY” at home against us this year with the officials making some bad calls against us! But that will be the only way U will win!

We are not like U! We can take our lumps!

by metalman5050 on Sep 15, 2008 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We did get a break on that play

however I will not say it is a gift. Don’t allow us to score 31 points in the first half. Denver should have played better in the second half and not even allowed the game to get that close.

Mistakes happen and I have seen several games where there has been an inadvertant whistle.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

by weazel on Sep 15, 2008 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

booo freaking hooo

You sound like a Pats fan after the Super Bowl. It doesnt matter who/is better. The bottom line is this Denver got the break and took advantage of it. If SD deserved to win they would have either stopped the Broncos on the 4th and goal play or on the duece. I am tired of whinny fans. Guess what deal with it. Be classy like some of the bolts fans have been, or like the super douche Rivers has been. Ya I guess Cutlers 350 yards and 4 tds were a fluke, or Marshall abusing Cromartie. Deal with

Though the end is near, Still I am not sorry

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 15, 2008 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

its a sad say when I have more respect for fader fan than a charger fan

WAAAAA, we got screwed- Charger fan

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 15, 2008 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cheated throughout the whole game?

get real. one bad call. and if you can’t overcome one bad call then you didn’t have your team in a position to win. Chargers put up a great effort to almost comeback. Maybe the call was “unfair”, but its like my father always says “Life isn’t fair”. And EVERY commentator breaking down the game has mentioned the call. Now maybe they didn’t harp on it to your satisfaction but that ain’t our fault.

by Sneaky Sean on Sep 15, 2008 5:58 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Where we rank

I agree with TSG’s grading of the Broncos although I refuse to participate in many of the polls on this site because we’re not allowed to use pluses and minuses. Giving us that option, when it becomes available, would make a lot of sense.

I’d have to agree with many here that Cutler deserves a slightly higher grade, say ~ B+/ A-. He’s a big part of why this is the #1 offense, so if he doesn’t deserve a higher grade then who would?

We can credit a poor Raider team for some of our success but probably not the Chargers, so our ranking is good no matter how you look at it. By the same token we’re probably a little better than the defensive ranking shows but that still puts us in the same neighborhood as the cellar dwellers. I do see some reason for concern, and I didn’t have particularly high expectations for this unit. I did expect them to show some improvement just because they junked the run contain scheme, but I’m beginning to wonder if we’re in for another dismal defensive season.

Offense (Rank)
Yards: 927 (1)
Passing Yards: 641 (1)
Rushing Yards: 286 (9)
Points per game: 40.0 (1)
Yards per game: 463.5 (3)
Touchdowns: 10 (1)
Field Goals: 3 (14)

Defense (Rank)
Yards: 763 (27)
Passing Yards: 533 (29)
Rushing Yards: 230 (22)
Points per game: 26.0 (26)
Yards per game: 381.5 (27)
Touchdowns: 5 (25)
Field Goals: 3 (15)

by Colinski on Sep 15, 2008 6:57 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

C

Here’s why: Defense needs work, as do Special Teams, and offense(Cutler) made key mistakes that almost cost the game. Here’s my unit breakdown

Defense:D+ Wow, 377 and 3 to Rivers? Shut down run though.
Special Teams:D, Prater saved them from an F
Offense: A-: Turnovers(well, one INT and one "fumble"), awesome other than that.

When another vilely scrawny field is silly, some arena toward an instinct can be profound to a sincere jail.

by giants9107 on Sep 15, 2008 7:25 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Raider fan comparison...Ouch!

I guess I’d also be happy if Rivers was given the ball close to the goal line twice in one game. A great performance by the Bronco offense overall, but deserving of a victory? I think not! No matter how you look at it, Denver was given two touchdowns in that game. Sure, all we had to do was defend him, and yes, we failed…twice! All we also had to do was take a knee after our defense successfully made Cutler drop the ball into our hands. Game over! Chargers win!

Ok, so we’re all humans and all make mistakes so if a player makes an honest mistake on the field, he gets fined or suspended. If the official makes a mistake, his rating as a good official goes lower. Let me ask you all this: Do you think it would be fair to suspend Ed Hochuli for making this mistake? Would this be a good message for the NFL to send everyone?

It was cool talking smack to you all. I’m outta here.

by JMAN619 on Sep 15, 2008 7:38 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The Broncos gave the Chargers two...no four touchdowns in that game.

What If’s can be played both ways brother.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 15, 2008 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree on the grades, nice Guru,

Our offense has finally arrived so there isn’t really anything else to explain except for that fact that “it is about time”

While our defense needs to step up becuse I don’t want to have to rely on outscoring the top teams in the league they did hold SD to two FGs in the second half instead of TDs.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

by weazel on Sep 15, 2008 7:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Gave them an A

The performance in itself was probably a B-C range but a win against the Chargers makes me inclined to vote an A.

Go Broncos!

by dbroncos78087 on Sep 15, 2008 8:04 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Divine Intervention

If anyone wants to blame anyone for the Broncos almost losing that game. I happened to be holding a small bible and when Cutler threw that pick I may have hurled it against the wall in disgust. I quickly repented and apologized but I was pretty sure that Cutler’s fumble that wasn’t a fumble but was a fumble was a direct result of my outburst. I guess I got the benefit of the doubt when hochuli hosed the chargers on that call. Any thoughts?

by Bleedingblue&orange on Sep 15, 2008 10:23 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Did it open to a certain verse when you threw it?

Anyway, lol, maybe you should throw the thing every time we’re losing.

When another vilely scrawny field is silly, some arena toward an instinct can be profound to a sincere jail.

by giants9107 on Sep 15, 2008 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

C

The offense was awesome (again), but when we needed to put the game away, we couldn’t. The ground game really needs to get going or other teams are just going to start bringing the heat and JC’s going to get hurt (and we really can’t afford that – unless Royal with Cheese steps into the backup QB role). #1 offense in the league (yards, scoring, passing). Hard to argue with that.

Defense was horrible. No pressure up front, Webster over-pursuing and missing tackles, Paymah covering Chambers (wtf?) and getting smoked. Great, we stopped LDT with his stubbed toe, but didn’t have much of an answer for Sproles and Hester/Tolbert (don’t remember which) about took it to the house on a screen (Webster redeemed himself a little by making the stop at the 5).

Special teams were again special (as in short bus special). I couldn’t believe that Kaeding was kicking deeper into the end zone than Prater (nice job on the 52-yarder, though) and kickoff coverage was its usual horrible self, relying on Champ (once again) to save the day on at least on return. Kern did his job of pinning them deep.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano

by DesertBroncoFan on Sep 16, 2008 11:42 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Chargers 38, Broncos 24, Refs 15

That’s right you heard me. The Chargers defense may of had a bad game. Both teams had a bad day on defense. However, all you Bronco fans know deep down inside that you were given 15 points by the refs. The Chargers proved last Sunday that they are the best team in the AFC West. We didn’t need LT or Merriman to beat you in your own house.

Question 1: What are the chances of replay equipment not working for just one replay? Answer: 1 in 1,000,000, ….. I’m not buying it. (7 pts for Denver)

Question 2: Why does Ed Holuchi blow his whistle when he’s not suppose to? Answer: Because it’s an inadvertant reaction from constantly blowing coach Shannahan on the sidelines. (8 points for Denver)

Enjoy your win fags!

by JMAN619 on Sep 17, 2008 9:56 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

whatsa mawa?

did someone take your ba-ba? you’re in the wrong place to discuss bad calls. we’ve had a dozen game-deciding wtf calls in the recent past. while i feel your pain, i also think we are owed about 10 more to even things up. it’s about time 1 of these went our way. sorry, but if you’re looking for pity, try another site.
btw, the instant replay equipment is not run by denver, but the nfl and it’s officiating crew. if you are correct in your assumption of foul play, then an even greater anti-charger conspiracy is at hand. better you this time than us, i guess

hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
taste my blintzkrieg!

by davecheffy on Sep 17, 2008 10:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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