Stating the Obvious - Denver's Defense Still Struggling?
No one can blame Broncos fans for being excited for their last minute victory over the hated Chargers on Sunday, and nearly all of the media stories (local & national), as well as fan posts, rave about the sheer scoring machine that the Broncos offense has become. However, most of those stories completely ignore the fact that the Denver defense and special team allowed the Chargers to come back from what at one point was an 18 point deficit to nearly win the game.
What is so obvious is that this year's defense is the same defense that became the laughingstock of the NFL last year. In fact, some of the defensive stats even suggest that the Broncos have become a worst overall defensive team than they were last year. The table below shows that in all but one of the major defensive statistics for the Denver Broncos, the defense on Sunday fared worst than the average of the previous four losses to the Chargers.
| Denver Broncos Defense vs. Chargers | ||||
| 2006-2007 Season (avg/game) | Sunday, September 14 2008 |
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| Points Allowed | 36.75 | 38 | ||
| SD Rushing Yards | 157.25 | 80 | ||
| SD Passing Yards | 237.5 | 376 | ||
| SD Total Yards | 394.75 | 456 | ||
And lets remember that many fans gave the Broncos a break with regards to the woeful performances last year due to injuries. In Sunday's game, the defense fielded its first team defensive starters and the Chargers managed to improve it's overall offensive output against the Broncos. Still want to ignore the problem?
While the Broncos defense allowed nearly 80 less rushing yards on Sunday than they did in previous games, they allowed nearly 130 MORE passing yards on Sunday, which translates to an increase in total yards allowed. It is painfully obvious that the Broncos failed to generate any sort of a pass rush, so the Chargers didn't have to run the ball. Phillip Rivers looked good on Sunday, but he had all day to throw the ball. It wouldn't surprise me to see that the average time Phillip Rivers had to stand in the pocket and deliver was somewhere around four or five seconds. That's an eternity for an NFL quarterback. It allowed him to find Chambers and Jackson downfield. I don't care how good of cover corners an NFL team has, it is just impossible to stay with receivers when quarterbacks have all day to throw. What that time also allowed Rivers to do is to go through his progressions and check down to his last options, Sproles and Tolbert, who respectively took it to the house and nearly took it to the house when that happened. To be fair, those accounted for only four or five plays, but they proved to be costly and made our defense look like Ohio State's vs. USC.
The Broncos failed to frustrate Rivers on Sunday and forced one turnover that shouldn't have been ruled one. It's no accident that the teams with the highest takeaway/giveaway differential last year were all playoff contenders (San Diego, Indy, New England, Tampa, Seattle, Green Bay and Jacksonville). What's also common between those teams is that they play physical, hard-hitting styles of defense. They make those receivers coming across the middle reconsider the prudence of doing so with huge hits. They make quarterbacks uncomfortable with constant pressure. I didn't see any of that on Sunday.Finally, the Broncos let Sproles run back a kickoff for a TD. Anyone remember the Broncos/Bears game last year where special teams cost us the game? How can Scott O'Brien possibly be considered "one of the league's top special team's coach", when our punt and kickoff coverage is as bad as it is. This wasn't just a problem against the Chargers, but it was also a blackmark on an otherwise flawless victory over the Raiders.Also, Champ got burnt by Jackson for a costly momentum-changing touchdown. No sane NFL commentator or analyst will deny Champ's effectiveness at shutting down top receivers, but the Broncos desperately need him to return to his double digit interception form. And he desperately needs the offensive line to get to the quarterback.
All of this should be a cause of concern for the Broncos, especially for a team that is so confident and set on being a playoff contender. There is no doubt that with the Bronco's relatively easy schedule and their offensive fire power, the team should be able to win the games against mediocre and poor teams (2-Chiefs, Browns, Dolphins, 2-Raiders, Falcons, and Jets). Including the win this weekend, that would make them at the very least a nine win team. The remaining games the Broncos play are against what looks to be contenders, and if they could win two or three of those games, they look to be a lock for at least the wild-card, if not a division title.
However, the Broncos want a playoff WIN, and in order to do that in the AFC, the Broncos must absolutely field a defense that can stop a drive every once in a while. They must field a team that can disrupt dangerous passers, like Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger and Brett Favre. These quarterbacks are all elite players but they have all struggled, as any quarterback does, under pressure. The pressure allows Champ and Dre to earn their money. The pressure forces frustration, bad decisions, turnovers, and bad field position. As of right now, the Broncos do not appear as if they are capable of mounting such pressure.
Now there is a bright side to the Bronco's woeful defensive performance. First, they played against a very talented San Diego Charger's offense who managed to keep up with our own talented offense. The Chargers have one of the best offensive lines in the league, so sacks will be hard to come by for any defense. The Broncos may not have been ready for Sproles this time around, but they will be next time. Second, it is only the second week of the season, which gives the defense plenty of time to improve. Recall that when the Colts won the Super Bowl, their defense didn't become stout until the playoffs. Maybe our defense just needs to get more comfortable with the schemes and with each other?
Regardless, if the Broncos are to improve on defense, it appears as if they must have a shift in attitude. They must play a more physical type of defense that will force the occasional turnover. If they can successfully implement a bend and not break offense, and force field goals instead of touchdowns, I'll consider that a victory for our defense. Because on the other side of the ball, the Broncos offense should have no problems running up the score on opponents' defenses.
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Absolutely!!
I couldn’t have said it any better myself, with the possible exceptions of “offense” where “defense” should be!!!! Recommended!!!!!!!
by Pmac54 on Sep 16, 2008 10:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome Post....
Welcome to MHR. Based on what I see here I am hoping to see more!!
As for the defense, you bring up an interesting point, something I am looking into as well in breaking down this year’s 2-0 start compared to last year…
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by John Bena on Sep 16, 2008 10:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The question for the MHR experts
is how can we improve? Is it simply schmatic, personnel related, or my advice, “just play better”. Also, is there anyway we, as fans, can look into how the defensive coaches graded out the defense? I know they do it, but it’d be interesting to hear how they interpret our D’s shortcomings.
I wish Woody Paige was our coach!
by bcfunk on Sep 16, 2008 11:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
We had a similar discussion around this time last year...
(I was more optimistic last year, but realism is setting in hard)I think this defense isn’t going to be fixed for another year or two and by then we’ll have another problem of aging veterans in the secondary. We are what we are. A team with a Championship calibur offense and a suspect defense and special teams. I will not be surprised if O’Brien is shown the door at the end of the year. I do not envy Shanny’s position of trying to build a Top 15 defense in the short amount of time he has to capitalize on the vets he currently has on D.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 16, 2008 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are who we thought we were!
At least that’s what Dennis Green says. :) I think we all agree that we’re a couple of drafts/smart FA signings away from having an impact defense. It does piss me off to see D.Harvey (Jacksonville) doing fairly well while Jarvis “street clothes” Moss hasn’t even suited up this year.
I wish Woody Paige was our coach!
by bcfunk on Sep 16, 2008 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niko
Perhaps the more consistant Niko in the middle might help.
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Sep 16, 2008 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webster is the "fast" one and Sproles still burned us
I think the MLB position is our most glaring hole on Defense this year. We must draft a legitimate MLB in the first round next year.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 16, 2008 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HT and I are working on some ideas to present to the community
It was meant to go up today, but we felt like the issue was serious enough to devote some honest time to it, so we agreed to give it the thought it required before throwing it out.
One of the main things we want to avoid is entertaining too much discussion about next years draft or free agency or who needs fired, when it comes to discussing our 2008 defense. Those discussions are great, in context, but out of context they can be disheartening and demoralizing. The broncos are in the tough position of winning games in the coming weeks working with the pieces they have, and I think this community will be able to present and debate a number of ideas that we may just see the Broncos trying to incorporate as the games roll on.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 16, 2008 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont you think its premature
to be looking at that kind of things about the Denver defense? I mean its only 2 games. Now lets see where they are at after 4 or 5 games then I think it would be a good time for that. I am not ready to say this defense is the same as last years. A whole lot of new players. Just my 2 cents
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 16, 2008 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think it is premature to throw anyone under the bus
but you will see where we are coming from when we get the post up. MHR is consistently ahead of the curve, and I expect this to be no different.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 16, 2008 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll look forward to that post
You guys do great work. In the meantime, I’m probably one of the few people willing to wait and see on O’Brien. We improved over the course of the season last year and I’m hoping we do the same this year. Over the first two games I’ve noticed an interesting pattern. On kickoff returns we either give up a big play or stop the other team short of the twenty. It makes me wonder if our coverage style is too high-risk, high-reward. I’d rather see us stop teams consistently around the 25 rather than stop them at the 16 two or three times and then give up a touchdown.
About the offense not much needs to be said. I think the run game will get better as the season progresses, with Clady, Harris, and Kuper continuing to develop and with cohesion improving as the starters get more playing time together. But the defense, specifically the pass rush, has been worrisome, so I’d be especially interested in what you and HT might have to say about that.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Sep 16, 2008 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its very premature
You can’t compare the Broncos against San Diego this season against last season.
Denver was up 21-3. Then 21-10, and later 31-17. This game was a shootout. The Chargers blew Denver out two times last year. Denver didn’t even show up. They had long runs and passes. This year, they were on their heels form most of the game. Their offensive strategy was to simply keep up with Denver.
Denver, although they gave up a few rushing yards in Oakland, dominated the Raiders defensively. Denver also dominated San Diego’s running game.
Denver needs to learn to adjust more quickly and personally, I thnk they need to go for broke and put the opposing QB on his back at least once a quarter. Look, if you’re gonna give up big plays one way or the other, why don’t we knock Phillip on his a$$ anyway.
by super7 on Sep 16, 2008 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The ruling on the field would not have changed," Aiello wrote
I just read this at sign on san diego, looks like the replay equipment failing only saved the Chargers a time out.
Aiello’s email
Other than that it is hard to argue the fact that there are major holes in the D.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Sep 16, 2008 11:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, the link to a league spokesman's email didn't work, here it is again
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/chargers/2008/sep/15/replay-wouldnt-have-helped/?chargers
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Sep 16, 2008 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the glass is half full
Everything stated in this post is correct (except the offense/defense mixups). But there were a few bright spots to build on. Kenny Peterson sniffed out a screen and made a great open field tackle. In his first action in over a month Boss had six tackles. Thjere were other bright spots on defense and special teams. You get my point. Yes, our entire defense and special teams are a concern right now. It is still too early to panic on either front.
I do have a question. How in the world does a player get a cut so large it takes 40 stitches to sew it up in a football game? What in the world is on that field that is that sharp? Were the chargers carrying knives? Sheesh!!
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on Sep 16, 2008 11:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sharp Cleats?
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Sep 16, 2008 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be awfully sharp!! 40 stitches??
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on Sep 16, 2008 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many stitches did the guy on Dallas need when Haynesworth did the dirty deed of using his head as a floor mat?
Mile High will NEVER Die!!!
by rynoz71 on Sep 16, 2008 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets realize something
This is game #2. Granted the Defense gave up a ton of yards. But last night so did the Cowboys and they are suppose to have a better defense than Denver. Sure there is no pressure, but I say again let the players get fully adapted to another new system. Does it dawn onto anyone the Broncos played a great offense? Or how about, that the offenses in the first quarter of a season are generally behind the offenses. Plus to me I would rather gice up big plays thru the air than the ground. Stopping the run shows you have a tough mindset. Plus a weak run defense will wear out a defense more than big plays thru the air. Plus IMO Denver only will face a handfull of QB’s that can beat you, Brees, Rivers, and nobody else. (Favre isnt the same player). So lets back off our defense sucks so bad it worse than last year. Granted we do not know what Slo was trying last week. Plus when a team has 3-4 awesome threats what are you gonna do. Gates, LT, Chambers, and Jackson have historically beaten up on the Broncos. Now on Sunday you replace LT with Spoles. Denver isnt gonna face another offense like that until 12/28. Give it some time and have patience. Remember this what Denver faced Sunday is waht every team has to face when playing Denver an offense than can score at will.
Love is a razor and I have walked the line on that silver blade
by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 16, 2008 11:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Score At Will
I also want to prevent the opponent from scoring at will (In case the offense stops itself again). The defense did well in the first half. Not sure what the defense felt it needed to change over halftime. Hopefully the defense will make better in-game changes after halftime in the future.
I agree that it is early to call the Broncos defense truly bad. They have new players and still need time to jell. Hold off saying they are poor until the bye week (if they don’t improve).
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Sep 16, 2008 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, the Chargers gave up more yards and points than us last week too. :P
The difference, I think, is that the Chargers and Cowboys D have a recent track record of solid play….we on the other hand have a recent track record of &%$ bleep bleep kind of play.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 16, 2008 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
last year yes
But dont forget in 2006 the Broncos set a record for the fewest TD’s allowed in the first few games. But then the defense got hurt. I do think there is a correlation between losing Al Wilson and the demise of the defense.
Love is a razor and I have walked the line on that silver blade
by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 16, 2008 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make some good points
although it needs to be said, since this point has been made so many times already, that if the defense catches up with the offense as the season wears on, doesn’t that suggest that other teams’ defenses will catch up some with our offense?
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Sep 16, 2008 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
what i am saying
Is That its too early to bag on denvers d. Denver did play a high powered offense. All I have been hearing is how bad the defense is. I disagree with that. denver is not gonna play another offense like that (outside of possible NOnad SD on 12/28) for the rest of the regular season . Plus denver was in a 3-2-6 scheme a lot, it doesnt allow for much pressure which is the key to any good pass d. I dont think many if any teams will stop Denver based on the amount of weapons they have.
Love is a razor and I have walked the line on that silver blade
by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 16, 2008 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Zone Defense was a big positive
Those two FGs in the 3rd Quarter were a big key, and we should remember those stops as positives. Let’s remember to see the forest through the trees here. The Chargers made 4 big plays in that game (passes to Tolbert, Sproles, and Chambers, and the Sproles return.) They also got helped by a phantom pass interference call on Paymah, and scored with Chambers going to the back shoulder on Paymah, on a play he had covered as well as can be expected.
Our team is flawed, there is no question. We’re a year and one more good defensive draft away from being a Super Bowl favorite. Our Offense is championship caliber now though, and we’ll win most of the time, because of that. It looks every bit as good right now, as New England’s looked last season, and that’s not hyperbole. Through two games, our guys are on pace to shatter their record for points scored by 51 points. There is no defensive coverage scheme that can stop this offense, only a lot of pressure could, and good luck with that, against this vastly improved offensive line.
This is an Offense league, despite the cliche that defense wins championships. Once in awhile it does, like with the Giants, but for the most part, great QBs win championships, and we have one.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Sep 16, 2008 12:37 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Great Post...
I do have one argument! Playing a “bend but don’t break” defense is exactly want we do not want to do!!! The only way this defense is going to be an “impact” defense is to try to force big plays by creative and exotic blitz packages and coverage schemes (similiar to Coyer and Robinson’s defenses). We do not have the personel to create pressure with the front four (wish we did but we don’t) and therefore must compensate with creative playcalling (like the offense is doing to overcome a relatively weak run blocking line). We will give up big plays with this system; however, we should create big plays as well!
by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 16, 2008 12:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Food for thought about the defense
Teams that have a long way to come back need a lot of yards, and usually get them through the air. The Raiders had something like 70 rushing yards going into the 4th quarter and never really had a chance to make up the point difference. The Chargers got down 14 twice and went to the deep pass(oh yeah and had something like 12 rushing yards in the first half). We went soft and started running up the middle in the third for 2 quick three and outs. We gave the defense no time to rest. What were they supposed to do?
I’m not saying we don’t have some concerns, but let’s see how we look in a few more games. Oh and for the record I’m a firm believer that the best defense is a good offense. “Defense wins championships” is a nice saying, but the truth is with a few notable exceptions it’s the teams with the best offenses that make the playoffs and win championships. If I had some time I’d research this and come up with the numbers but I saw several stats last year when the Pats made their run about offenses that won Superbowls. Take a look at the 90s. Dallas and the 49ers were seriously high powered(and lest we forget, I think those guys in Orange and Blue fit this category too). When looking at Dallas especially they beat a strongly defense/run first team in the bills for several years. Everyone thought the Broncos were soft. Name me 3 players of the defense from any 49ers Super Bowl(I’m going to eat my words, I can already feel it) win.
A defense has to make the stops when they matter. That’s the main thing. We couldn’t get over the hump in the early 2000s because we couldn’t keep pace with the Colts in scoring and we couldn’t keep them off the field. The Colts didn’t make a run deep until somehow they magically created a run defense for the playoffs.
Ultimately what I’m saying is that as long as the final score is Broncos > opponent it doesn’t much matter. Now if we get torched next week by Brees and Co then we need to start taking a serious look at what we need to do. I’m trying my best to stay positive.
by JR_G on Sep 16, 2008 1:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I can only remember...
Bill Romanowski and Ronnie Lott! But I do recall that the 49ers had a pretty stout defense at the time.
The Cowboys also had an excellent defense when they were winning championships.
Even Denver’s defense in the SB years was significantly better than the one we’re fielding right now.
by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 16, 2008 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Neon Deon Sanders
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Sep 16, 2008 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
See my other post
My thoughts on the D: get more aggressive. Yes, it is a concern and yes they need to make adjustments.
See my post in the 2-0 article. :)
by sadaraine on Sep 16, 2008 1:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
A thought on changes
I won’t debate the need or lack-there-of for a change to the defensive scheme and play calling however I will go on record as saying that there should be some personnel changes.
I am unimpressed with Nate Webster. His position is too important to be filled by someone who takes plays off. He won his position by outplaying Koutouvides in the preseason. Since then he hasn’t had to compete and in my opinion has performed poorly. Start Koutouvides next week as a last chance warning to Webster.
I’m not sure what to do about Karl Paymah. Even with a viable replacement I wouldn’t bench him just yet but something needs to change in his game play or I would start looking for another alternative.
PS This is what the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated. --Mitch Hedburg
by Jay Elway on Sep 16, 2008 2:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Concerning blitzes
It looked like they tried a variety of blitzes, especially in the second half, and got burned almost every time by Rivers, especially on the dump TD to Sproles. I think a safety, among others, was coming on that play.
I don’t think we’ll see many o-lines that are better. They need to do a better job on special teams and try to slow down the big plays. Paymah is not impressive, but they were picking on him, and Rivers had lots of time.
"Be not like dumb-driven cattle...."
by jcps on Sep 16, 2008 4:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that was a zone blitz, . . .
Where we brought a safety and a linebacker and dropped Dumervil in the flat. Unfortunately, Dumervil has no chance of corralling a player like Sproles.
Furthermore, that is one of my pet peeves about zone blitzing – that is taking a player out of what they do best. Even though Dumervil had no sacks, he should still be chasing the QB at all times, cause he is the best we got.
by The Gun Young on Sep 16, 2008 6:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed 100%
I hate the concept. Somehow, the Steelers pull it off like nobody’s business. There was also a time when we used it (way back when). But I don’t like the idea behind it at all.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 16, 2008 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The key is versatility.
Successful zone blitz teams are almost always 3-4 teams who have versatile backers, who can pass rush, and play the run. Although everyone has a weakness. The bolts linebackers are great at the run and pass rushing, but not so good in coverage.
Conversely, our defense has a lot of specialists – guys that are good at only one thing. Champ and DJ are our most versatile and may be our only good all around defensive players. Dumervil is beginning to prove himself as all around by playing the run pretty good so far this year.
by The Gun Young on Sep 17, 2008 10:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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