MHR Chalk Talk - New Orleans Saints at Denver Broncos
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For the view from the Saints side of things, check out CanalStreetChronicles.com 
The Saints were my dark horse pick to go deep in the NFC playoffs for '08. They have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball, and underperformed in 2007 due to many key injuries. But the injury monster is back in full force, and early in the season.
The Saints are a very talented team, and could be easy to overlook. With the injuries they have, we may catch a break and have an easier game than we might have had. But it would be foolish to count them out. Let's take a look at what the Saints bring to the table, and what they might not.
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Run Defense
The three biggest additions to the Saints defense where supposed to be big. Vilma (at MLB) was someone that Denver fans had their eyes on, but the Saints got him. He leads the League in tackles. DT Ellis was taken in the draft (someone else that many Denver fans were clamoring for). Last year, the Saints picked up Clancy (DT) from FA. With two big name DTs, and a terrific MLB (who is also great in coverage), as well as Fujita and Simeneau at LB you would think the Saints could stop the run.
But they haven't in their first two games. TB ran for 146 yards (a narrow victory for NO), and WAS ran for 149 yards.
Injuries
Here's what we know. CBs McKenzie,Gay and Glenn are questionable. LB Fajita is questionable as is SS Harper. Out is LB Simoneau. That is an awful lot of starters folks. So now things seem to be more tricky for the Saints right? There's more.
Tackling
Well, it doesn't stop there. According to this article from the Sun Herald, the Saints are having severe problems wrapping up opponents:
Washington Redskins wide receiver Santana Moss exposed an increasing issue for the New Orleans Saints - pure tackling.
The speedy Moss took an end around 27 yards as he split the tackle attempts of the Saints' Will Smith and Kevin Kaesviharn in the first quarter. Then Moss' 23-yard pickup on a slant route where he made Josh Bullocks and Usama Young miss was a key play in the Redskins cutting the lead to two points.
The Saints defense also had troubles wrapping up running backs Clinton Portis and Earnest Graham during the first two weeks of the season. It's led to the Saints surrendering 403.5 yards of total offense a game, which ranks the team 29th in the NFL.
"I thought we had some missed tackles in the secondary, especially in that fourth quarter," Saints coach Sean Payton said. "All of a sudden some smaller plays became bigger plays. That was a little bit of an issue a week ago and we have to address that and see if we can have that corrected."Next up for the Saints will be the Denver Broncos, who are averaging 463.5 yards a game (third in the league).
"They're a good team," Payton said. "The main focus is the Saints right now. And that seems a little bit like a cliché, but we're going to play a better team this week than we just played. They're 2-0 and it's a tough place to play; it's a louder environment than where we were just at. We're going to have to suck it up."
Match up issues
This is where the pairings look good for Denver's offense. Starting with the receiving corps, Denver features Marshall or Royal (pick your poison) paired against an injured starting CB, and a back-up, or perhaps two back-ups. Denver's receivers have already played (in my opinion) two CB tandems in OAK and KC that represent two of the top five (if not top three) CB tandems in the NFL. NO is a definite downgrade at this point.
On top of this, consider pairing your injured starting CB (or a back-up) with either Royal (agile and fast) or Marshall (physical). And who will back them up? A back-up safety on the stong side. Yikes!
But it gets better (if you're a Denver fan). Who covers our elite TEs? In a one TE set, it won't be Fujita (injured - out), and it won't be a starting strong safety. There will be a mismatch for the strong side TE in any 1, 2, or 3 TE set.
That's the state of the passing game. The running game isn't much different. While Denver is averaging nearly 5 ypc through the first two games, they aren't running the ball much. NO is giving up nearly 150 yards per game rushing.
NO has a good defensive line. While you can't function without a good DL (see Denver last year), you can't win with just a good DL either.
But that's only half of the game. What about the Saints offense?
The Saints on offense
The first thing you notice about the Saints front five (plus their TE) is the abundance of the letter "J". Jeremy, Jamall, Jamar, Jonathan, Jahri, and Jon. This doesn't mean a darned thing, but I thought I would throw it out there. : )
On a more serious note, the Saints have weapons. For as long as Shockey has been in the NFL, folks have debated if he is the real deal or an average guy who has gotten a big name. I won't get into that so much. What I will point out is that he is a physical receiver, and has the potential (and the experience) to keep Denver honest in coverage. This would normally present a problem for Denver, ala the Chargers.
With Colston at WR, Shockey at TE, and Bush at RB (and Brees at QB) we have a similar match up difficulty that we should have with SD. In this vein, NO would have the ability to rack up points on Denver. But a key piece of the puzzle, Colston, is out. This means that Denver can focus on the run.
On paper, the run game of the Saints should be intimidating. This fan post over at Canalstreetchronicles.com explains that at least one RB, McAllister, isn't likely to be a threat. But Bush could be a factor.
A lot of MHR readers (and staff) are taking sides on whether the Denver run defense is better than it looks, or worse that it looks. This game will be the third game against a reasonably good running back, and we should have our answer this week. As good of a QB as Brees is, the Saints should try to keep the Denver offense off of the field by running the ball, and dare the Broncos to stop them.
The problem is, the Saints are only averaging 78 yards rushing over the first two games. On the flip side, Denver is allowing an avg of 115.
The Saints best chance for a favorable match-up might be Shockey against Boss (LOLB) or against Manuel (SS).
Ratings -
This is the point where I list every position on a football team, then mark which team has the better skill set. Without injuries, it would be closer. But with injuries factored in, only the Saints defensive line gets the edge.
Keys -
Denver
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Prevent big plays on STs
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Prevent turnovers
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Don't give up the big play on defense
New Orleans
- Keep Denver's offense off of the field (run)
- Don't get in a shootout
- Don't fall behind early
Game planning
Denver faces a 4-3 defense. They can play one TE for both run and pass plays. If the Saints try to pressure Cutler, Graham should be the obvious choice at TE. Because of the 4-3, Denver can choose to run wide more than in the last game.
With the injuries on defense, Denver can play their misdirection game and get more "bites" (where the defense over pursues). Denver can air the ball, and dare a banged up or back-up secondary to stop them.
Denver can pass early to establish a lead. At this point, an opposing team then has to wonder if Denver will run to eat clock, or keep passing. With the Shanahan offense back in gear, teams should have a hard time knowing which way to go in the second half.
So how does a team stop Cutler? I think we're learning that Marshall and Royal are too much for even the best CB tandems in the League. You stop Cutler the way you stop Peyton Manning; with pressure. The problem is that Cutler can go mobile without losing his aim or strength, and Denver's OL is like the secret service. If a team does get to Cutler, Denver doesn't hurt having to run the ball (averaging 6 ypc).
The best approach to beating Denver is the SD approach. SD was within a point of winning by shooting out the game. Of course, they had the weapons to do so. Most teams don't. This is why I feel Denver has an excellent chance of hitting the playoffs, but when they get there, they'd better be able to at least slow other teams. They didn't slow SD. The Saints (again with so many injuries, and missing leading receiver Colston) just may not have the weapons at this point in the season to shoot it out. If they have to engage in a high scoring affair, the edge goes to Denver.
The Saints coach is an excellent play-caller and knows how to adjust. On the other hand, Shanahan is on the other side of the field.
While I try to be a realist in breaking down any game for Denver, this match-up really looks one sided. Without the Saints unfortunate injuries, this game would be close, and could have upset potential. Right now, I have to take Denver. I'll be surprised if it is close at all.
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Good calls all around
While I’d love to see us establish more of a running game, I still see us airing it out given the state of the Saints. No worries for our offense…we should hang 5 touchdowns on them easy.
by sadaraine on Sep 16, 2008 4:03 PM MDT 0 recs
TRAP!!!!
As many MHR faithfull have suggested, this game has all the makings of a trap game. NFC team stuck between 3 AFC West matches and coming off two very emotional games. I hope the Broncos show up ready to play!
This just feels like the kind of game the Broncos have let slip in the past.
On the other hand, this would be a good game for the defense to show up and find their mojo. I want to see hard hitting and pressure. Let’s hope Moss can begin to show his potential.
After two big AFC West wins, it’d be a shame to give up and ground in the division. I just hope that the Broncos are emotionally prepared to play this game!
by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 18, 2008 4:08 PM MDT 0 recs
I agree about the "trap" potential.
I’m going to assume that Shanahan is counseling his players to take the game seriously. If they don’t, they don’t deservea playoff berth.
On the other hand, I picked this game (a few weeks ago) to be a great chance at an upset. I’m a little less worried now, given the current state of the Saints.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 18, 2008 4:37 PM MDT
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I tried to reply to this message a few days ago, but the post was gone before I hit submit.
Now I forgot what I said. lmao
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Sep 18, 2008 4:45 PM MDT
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Good points
and Denver shouldn’t overlook the Saints despite the edge we seem to have coming into this game.
If their defense is having a hard time wrapping up guys, then I can see Marshall and Royal turning a short pass into a long score.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4
by weazel on Sep 18, 2008 4:15 PM MDT 0 recs
I buzzed it up first. :)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on Sep 18, 2008 4:16 PM MDT 0 recs
I love you man.
In an entirely platonic way, of course.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 18, 2008 4:37 PM MDT
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mmhmm.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Sep 18, 2008 4:45 PM MDT
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Please tell me you aren't moaning!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 18, 2008 5:04 PM MDT
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baaa. baaaaaaa!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Sep 18, 2008 6:02 PM MDT
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lmao
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on
Sep 18, 2008 8:05 PM MDT
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Here we go again!
Seriously, great post HT. Thanks. It will be an interesting game.
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on
Sep 19, 2008 11:18 AM MDT
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I dont think trap
I feel with how the defense was torched last week and another potentially great offense coming in the Broncos will be ready. If any game I see that could be a trap will be next week at the chefs
Love is a razor and I have walked the line on that silver blade
by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 18, 2008 4:20 PM MDT 0 recs
No votes...
For less than 22, that is incredible.
Go Broncos!
by dbroncos78087 on Sep 18, 2008 4:28 PM MDT 0 recs
Saints fans haven't come by yet. :)
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Sep 18, 2008 4:46 PM MDT
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I don't know...
I was over at their site and they don’t seem overwhelmingly confident in their defense (injuries).
by UnarmingMermaid on
Sep 18, 2008 4:51 PM MDT
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as confident as we are then? lol
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Sep 18, 2008 6:02 PM MDT
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I don't believe in trap games.
Nor do I think this is one.
As a team, Denver has no reason to come out flat for this one. Our defense just gave up the biggest game Phyllis Rivers has ever had, and they should be fired up to come out and prove that they’re better than what they showed last week. I expect a lot of intensity out of the defense, and I would be surprised if any defensive starter gets below an 80% on his “effort” grade sheet.
As a team, we are coming off an emotional win, but there was a lot of controversy, and a lot of people are still counting us out and calling us lucky. WE need to come out and stick it to the Saints to show that we are without a doubt a top tier NFL team.
Plus, it’s Mile High. The place will be rockin’ and the adrenaline will be high for the first place Denver Broncos!
2-0.
by papigrande on Sep 18, 2008 4:54 PM MDT 0 recs
No player better get below a 100% on his "effort" grade...
…or he shouldn’t be playing for the Broncos!
by UnarmingMermaid on
Sep 18, 2008 4:56 PM MDT
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You made a great point I've been wanting to comment on.
I heard that the new Mile High stadium was actually rocking from the noise. Do we have our home field advantage back? Can the new stadium design still allow for us to outshout the QB?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 18, 2008 5:06 PM MDT
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I was wondering the same thing
when I was watching the game and then SD got a delay of game inside their own 5 yd line. I mean sometimes the play clock or camera was shaking when it was on the TV screen. This would be nice if the crowd can keep this up.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 4
by weazel on
Sep 18, 2008 5:10 PM MDT
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I have a long history of attending Broncos games at old and new Mile High! I can honestly say that I have attended numerous Broncos games in the last three or four years which easily rival the volume and hysteria of old Mile High. Old Mile High was a wonderfull stadium…but the New Mile High is also a GREAT place to see a game. I believe the original Mile High benefits from a degree of romanticism surrounding it’s game atmosphere (not that it’s a bad thing). As I’ve stated previously, the AFC Divisional Playoff game against the Pats a few years back is at this point the craziest and most incredible game that I’ve been to at either stadium. So yes…the Mile High Magic, as far as crowd involvement is concerned, is still very much alive.
by UnarmingMermaid on
Sep 18, 2008 5:18 PM MDT
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I was at the Chargers game on Sunday...
and it was definitely rocking!
by UnarmingMermaid on
Sep 18, 2008 5:19 PM MDT
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I definately haven't gone to too many games at the new mile high (two)
But it just seems like the old mile high the atmosphere was a little crazier, maybe that’s because there was a more live or die attitude because we hadn’t won a Super Bowl yet. The other thing I noticed is that with the new Mile High, there definately isn’t the same fan base, I went to the Pats-Broncos game in 2005 (regular season) and was in the south stands and I was surrounded by Pats fans, I was surprised because I could never remember seeing too many opposition fans at any games except for the designated areas, so seems like a lot of the season ticket holders definately aren’t going to all of the games like they used to, when I went to the old Mile High I always got looks like, who are you and you aren’t the guy that owns these tickets.
"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman
by Broncoman on
Sep 18, 2008 5:38 PM MDT
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Exactly!
Back in the seventies and eighties they would then say, “Oh, you must be Don’s son-in-law. Welcome!” I don’t feel the same sense of community. I guess we just need to create it.
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on
Sep 19, 2008 11:23 AM MDT
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I loved the fact
that when we stomped our feet the players could feel it. Now I havent been to Invesco yet so I cant compare, I can just remember the last game i was there, in 1992 against Seattle and i had taken my bride (at the time) there and all she could say is how loud and awesome it was. But I think the level of noise is equal to how good the team is playing.
Love is a razor and I have walked the line on that silver blade
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Sep 19, 2008 12:32 PM MDT
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Last night I watched America's Game
The Missing Rings – 1981 San Diego Chargers
and it was interesting to see the parallels between that team and the current team. They hired Coryell in 1978 and went from 1-3 to winning the West (I believe) then followed with several playoff trips before finally falling short to the faders in 1980 in the AFC Championship. They came back with what would be one of the finest offenses the league would ever see, but their defense sucked (to the point that Kellen Winslow even pointed out that they sucked in the show).
At the end of the show, Dan Fouts, Kellen Winslow and Hank Bauer all mentioned that they peaked in 1981 and age and injuries started catching up with them and they were never the same. I think it was Winslow that said that it’s a very small window to have everything lined up to get to the Super Bowl and if you miss it, it will be a while before you get the chance again. In his hof induction speech, Fouts mentioned that he was there for all of the people that didn’t win (or even appear in) a Super Bowl.
I see the parallel with the current chargers in that they are getting older, injuries are affecting their stars and they have a great offense and not much defense (so far this year anyway). It looks like their window may be closing just as it did for the 1981 Chargers.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Sep 19, 2008 10:51 AM MDT
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It slammed shut last year.
Chargers are done. :P
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Zappa on
Sep 19, 2008 11:21 AM MDT
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Lets not forget the ORANGE UNIS this weekend!!!
by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 18, 2008 5:55 PM MDT 0 recs
are "we" wearing them?
wsnt it like for 2 games this yr??
by RiG on
Sep 18, 2008 7:26 PM MDT
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Yes, I believe we are.
Time to break the Orange Jersey jinx and give these things some good mojo!
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on
Sep 18, 2008 8:02 PM MDT
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If we start winning in Orange..
Maybe they will consider going back to orange! If I didn’t already have enough desire for the big win…. I really want them to win now.
My image is the Circa 1960-’61 Broncos home uniform sock. Some what folk lore to me ... but referred to as the clown sock by my Dad.
by YellowStoneBronco on
Sep 19, 2008 9:30 AM MDT
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Maybe they'll bring back your socks as well!
Let’s hope not!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Sep 19, 2008 10:53 AM MDT
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I don't care
if we come out dressed like jibbon’s avatar! As long as we play hard.
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on
Sep 19, 2008 12:01 PM MDT
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No pun intended!
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on
Sep 19, 2008 12:02 PM MDT
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well behaved..
broncos need to try to play a clean penalty free game as humanly possible
by broncosfaninphilly on Sep 18, 2008 6:54 PM MDT 0 recs
last week it seemed like penalties were thrown every play
i remember they were showing slow motion reply of a catch or something and there was a ref in the background in a full on pitchers throw chucking the flag on the field…
by RiG on
Sep 18, 2008 8:40 PM MDT
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THANX AGAIN HT!
Nice to have someone who will always bring us the facts! I feal good about the abillity of our offence to put up some BIG #’S, and I cannot wait to see if the D has improved. GO BRONCOS!
by metalman5050 on Sep 18, 2008 7:07 PM MDT 0 recs
if anybody wants to know if their area is bradcasting the game
check out the506 for a map of whats shown
by RiG on Sep 18, 2008 7:31 PM MDT 0 recs
Rushing Game
Guys I know the individual numbers haven’t been stellar but as a team the Broncos have put up 140 yards the first two games rushing. And remember, our revamped OL is still getting the rhythm of the blocking scheme down. It will only get more solid. I look for a solid performance from Denver this week and expect a good win.
by TheMastermind on Sep 18, 2008 11:56 PM MDT 0 recs
i agree !!!!!
i thought the broncos RBS ran tough and got hard fought yardage in timely situations when we needed it the most
by broncosfaninphilly on
Sep 19, 2008 8:45 AM MDT
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Not a trap
I think this Broncos team is a little more down to earth in years past and won’t pay attention to their press clippings. Plus I think the San Diego game has provided them with a little bit of an edge because so many are saying they didn’t deserve to win. I hope am right.
As you break these matchups down, will there ever be a week where Brandon Marshall won’t be a matchup problem (sans suspension). There’s only one corner in the league that could cover him and we are not trading Champ. (Although I am not convinced that Marshall wouldn’t give Bailey problems too. And I love Champ)
Bring on a W, I am going to the Chiefs game at Arrowhead and I want to being going for 4-0 when I’m there. I am so excited.
by RockyMountainThunder on Sep 19, 2008 8:29 AM MDT 0 recs
The one danger we might have...
with the players being prone to mood swings is their youth. I’m sure the coaches are working on keeping them focused though.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by hoosierteacher on
Sep 19, 2008 1:42 PM MDT
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Thanks, as always, HT
I love reading these posts.
I’m really hoping to see some improvement from the coverage units on ST. Bush does present a nice challenge on punts, and it’d be good to see these guys start to find some consistency.
It’s a fine thing indeed to be living in la la land, where you can’t wait for each game, just to learn a little more about the Broncos and whether they could actually shape an honest-to-goodness contending team this year. And MHR just keeps stoking the fire. Thanks everyone!
by Broncs Cheer on Sep 19, 2008 9:08 AM MDT 0 recs
Saints fan weighs in....
Earlier in the week, I didn’t feel good about this game. Our tackling is very bad. Almost half of our starting defense is out. No Colston. Limited Deuce.
But the more I thought about it over the past few days, the more I’m leaning towards the Saints. Sean Payton’s Saints have a history of going into an opposing team’s house and ruining their day. In 2006, it was the Dallas game, a beautiful 42-17 drubbing of the Cryboys. Last year, the Saints started out 0-4, and had a trip up to Seattle, who was playing well. No one expected the Saints to win, but they did.
In the past 2 years under Payton, the Saints have a better road record than home record. The best news is that we will be getting our best CB healthy for this game, McKenzie
To make a short story long, wouldn’t be suprised if the Saints pull it out.
BTW, CSC has a long way to go to catch-up to you guys’ Bikini Contest. Good Stuff…
WHO DAT!!!
by Hollywoo! on Sep 19, 2008 6:34 PM MDT 0 recs
The Broncos aren't the cryboys this year. You gotta find a way to stop Jay Cutler...if you do that then I will give you guys a chance.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
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