Some random thoughts on the Broncos through three weeks
This is just a collection of things that have gone through my mind the past few weeks.
- I read the ESPN.com columns on the next wave of young QB’s. I loved the analysts there and elsewhere who complained that Jay Cutler appeared to force the ball late in the season last year when perhaps Cutler’s primary issue with his undiagnosed diabetes was that he did not have the zip on his throws. I wonder who else would appear to force their throws if the ball came out at only 80-90% velocity.
- Tony Scheffler needs to step it up. He has made some nice good plays, but also some costly ones – most notably the fumble vs NO and the dropped TD vs Oakland. He is not on the field in goal line situations; Denver is using Graham, Nate Jackson and Lichtensteiger in the jumbo set which makes me think he may never be the (run) blocker that Denver wants.
- On the other hand if Scheffler manages to win the starting job and Nalen gets healthy, all eleven offensive starters will be Broncos draftees or free agents they signed out of college. On the defensive side of the ball there are only three (Doom, Marcus Thomas and DJ) with three others seeing any time on defense (Paymah, Crowder and Moss). Looks like the 2009 draft will be focused on defense, like both the 2005 and 2007 drafts (and unlike the 2006 and 2008 drafts that focused on offense primarily)
- The offensive line looks very good so far - no sacks allowed and relatively few penalties (and none that were costly). If you did not know better, you would never guess how inexperienced our tackles are, that there is only one starter returning from last year or that he is playing a different position. The only weird thing I have noticed is that a couple times Wiegmann seems to be slow with the snap (or the exchange is not perfectly smooth) and as a result he and Cutler are the last two players moving.
- Michael Pittman is doing a pretty good impression of the 1991 version of Gerald Riggs. Riggs had 5 TD's in the first four games that year and finished the season with 11 TD's that covered 17 yards total (his long was 7 on his fifth TD of the year so do the math on the other 10). He had 78 carries for 248 yards the entire season and did not start a game, yet he was a key part of the Skins Super Bowl champion team, including a pair of TD's in each of the three playoff games. He really opened it up in the playoffs with runs of 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, and 3 yards. So far Pittman has TD runs of 3,1,1 and 2 yards. He has totals of 19 carries for 44 yards (2.3 avg). We'll see how that changes if/when Torain is healthy and ready to play.
- I am trying to reserve judgment on the defense until I take another look at the Saints game, but one thing I want to comment on is the nickel corner situation. I don’t think the issue is Karl Paymah vs Jack Williams so much as the way that the nickel CB is being used, especially against San Diego. Do you blame Karl Paymah for not being able to cover Chris Chambers or do you blame the coaches who allowed those two to be isolated on the outside while Dre Bly covered Legedu Naanee in the slot where he has safety help?
- The defense seems to lack in-game flexibility and adjustments. In general, the defense has started off pretty strong. But then the offense seems to figure out what Denver is doing defensively and they make adjustments. Right now, Slowick does not seem to be making good, if any, counter-adjustments. Related to this, the defense does not seem to be varying the pre-snap looks they show the offense.
- As for special teams, the coverage units still need to improve but the rest of the unit is improved. Prater and Kern look good so far (as good or better than the men they replaced). The return units look better too although I see the opposing gunners on punt coverage beating their blockers downfield too often.
- Teams should be fined if they accumulate a certain number of personal foul penalties in a game. (Sorry, watching Man U vs Chelsea while I type this and the EPL has a rule for yellow/red cards)
A couple things that probably go without saying
1) The red zone turnovers have to stop, especially in the fourth quarter
2) The offense needs to be able to maintain a long drive with the running game, especially when they have a lead.
3) The defense needs to get a more consistent pass rush out of their front four.
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I'm still have flashbacks to the arse-whoopin
Jax-ville laid on us last year. If we can man up to them, then I’ll be delirious going into the bye week. If not, 6-1 and still tipsy with glee!
I wish Woody Paige was our coach!
by bcfunk on Sep 22, 2008 1:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Jarvis Moss is a bust!!!!!
We should trade him while he still has “some” value. There I said it. Now moving forward…… Good article. I think Jacksonville is gonna give us the hardest time. They have a tough D. I have a feeling they are going to run, run, run, run. That being said, our powerful offense wont see the field enough. Slowik needs to do something fast.
Crawfish taste way better when my Broncos beat up on the Saints.
by Denver_Native on Sep 22, 2008 1:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I am wondering if the guy needs to transition to LB and spend a year learning it.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 22, 2008 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
moving Moss
I think he would be a better fit for a 3-4 defense. It’s not out of the question but I wonder if the move would merely turn him into a reserve quality player at yet another position — which solves little. His best chance at contributing seems to be right where he is, and if he can’t develop into a bona fide pass rushing threat then it’s time to move on. I haven’t given up on him yet but he’s officially in my “disappointment” category. Our need for a pass rush doesn’t allow us the luxury of carrying extra players. Next year’s draft contains some interesting DEs and that’s a position I expect they’ll be targeting if our anemic pass rushing trends continue through this year.
BTW — Crowder hasn’t done anything this year, either. I never thought he was a poor pick but he’s in the same camp.Considering the similarities it may be prudent to continue to show some patience with our young DEs. I’m still in favor of using a ‘value pick’ on a DE in the 2009 draft because, in part, of the age of some of other DEs, as well as the lack of a dominant player. DEs are easier to find than DTs, so we may have to take what the draft gives us even though a DT is somewhat preferable.
Here’s another route we could take: 2009 DL FAs.
by Colinski on Sep 23, 2008 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crowder seemed to be well on his way last season...not sure what happened between then and now...
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 23, 2008 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
other DLs from 2007
I haven’t seen any of the DLs from 2007 succeed yet (at least not the ones we would have drafted instead, like Harrell, etc.), although I’ve only done somewhat cursory analysis. Many of the DLs taken before Moss and Crowder have yet to have an impact. This only makes me wonder if we’re expecting a little too much, even though I don’t regard either Moss or Crowder as living up to their potential.
As I’ve said lately, team success creates individual success. The “one dominant DT makes two” logic seems to apply across the defense. Offenses exploit weaknesses and the defense is often only as good as it’s weakest link. And poor collective performance of a defense tends to bleed over into individual play, as players attempt to compensate for the collective shortcoming rather than focusing on their individual responsibilities. The addition of a few impact players can turn a poor defense into a very good one, but their contribution alone doesn’t account for all of the improvement, it’s a synergistic effect.
by Colinski on Sep 23, 2008 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our offensive draft this year
isn’t helping either. It raised the bar in a big way, as far as young or rookie contributions. The fastest contributor I remember in recent years (who was hyped pre-draft) was of course Super Mario in Houston. His second year was very good, but he played ona team that had nothing to lose by starting him every game, whether he was showing gains or not. (For the record I am sure he was showing promise every step of the way).
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 23, 2008 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to bring him up as well
Everyone thought he was a bust his first season, but he stepped it up last year (jury is still out this year with only two games).
As disappointed as I’ve been with Moss, he still hasn’t played a full season as a pro and may just need time to get up to speed (not saying that he is on the same level as Mario, but even the greats take time).
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on Sep 23, 2008 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
A lot of the bust talk is way too premature.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 25, 2008 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt there is much value for Moss
When we drafted him, a lot of people said we were stupid to draft him at that point (myself included), and we passed on the likes of Jon Beason (man would he be great as a MLB right now) and Reggie Nelson (a safety that can cover and hit), but I digress, the point being, if we see him as a bust, the rest of the league is going to see him as a bust, and we will only be able to trade him for another bust that the contracts are similar (see the trade of Marcus Nash for RB from Miami), so I think we have to live with him for this year and then cut him.
"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman
by Broncoman on Sep 22, 2008 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moss
I think the knock was the he could have been taken later, so he was a reach. Everyone still had him taken by the 2nd round, so he was still a worthy pick if taken then. I wasn’t happy about the Moss pick (I was advocating moving up to take Willis, but that was when DJ was penciled in at MLB) but I didn’t disagree with their addressing the position — it just hasn’t worked out, so far.
One added thought — changing defenses twice in their first two years can’t be helping them much. I expected that and I said so earlier. The Jets defense didn’t fare much better against San Diego’s offense last night. I like to keep things in context, we’re not the only ones complaining about our defense’s inability to stop a high powered offense.
by Colinski on Sep 23, 2008 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willis
As psyched as I am with Nate after last game (he looked tremendous from the suite I was in – seems to have broken a lot of his over running habits if still not great in coverage) this LB corps with Willis in the middle would have some serious teeth. You got me dreaming…
by jonahsilas on Sep 23, 2008 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bear..another good post..I think you are right on especially #6&7
Our defense seems to start out great—with a great scheme—then fall on their faces. This reeks of a defensive coaching problem.
Both SD and NO made ajustments and could not be stopped—it may be our players—but it looks to me as if our coaching staff is having problems ajusting to new looks.
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Sep 22, 2008 1:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean MattR right? :)
I too have come to agree with # 6 and 7….the wait and see game has started….
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 22, 2008 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL I just noticed it was Matt--I thought I had clicked Bears post.
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Sep 22, 2008 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Matt
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Sep 22, 2008 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, you're funny dude!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 22, 2008 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Matt did a great post. Thanks for thinking of me, though :D
Fullbacks Rule
by Emmett Smith on Sep 22, 2008 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL I was looking at your avatar and clicked Matt's post--funny me--what an idiot I am.
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Sep 22, 2008 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point 7 I totally agree with
Defense cannot or will not make adjustments, I don’t know if that is coaching or a lack of faith in the players. Either way it needs to change, I will say the following:
Gunther Cunningham for Defensive Coordinator 2009
"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman
by Broncoman on Sep 22, 2008 2:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great defense for three quarters--faiders
Great defense for almost an entire half—SD
Great defense for one quarter—NO
Not a good trend—I hope our defense at least gets on the flight to KC Sunday!
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Sep 22, 2008 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very disturbing.
I may need to escape into La La Land next Monday. I have a sense of foreboding that is in violation of our own laws for LLL. opps!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 22, 2008 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we don't crush KC--la-la-land may spew us all out--and lock the doors.
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Sep 22, 2008 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
its ironic that the two of us can be the most pessimistic sob's when we want too. lol
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 23, 2008 7:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: pre snap looks
I rewatched the NFL Replay telecast of the Chargers game. They skip a couple snaps here and there so I cannot say anything for absolute sure. But based on what I saw, 95% of the time that San Diego was in their base personnel, Denver lined up with Manuel over Gates, the CB’s in man on the WR’s and McCree deep. They did play different coverages with the LB’s (and blitzes too), but their pre-snap formation was pretty consistent too. I think the first two plays of the third quarter they tried two deep safeties, San Diego had decent runs and that was the end of that change. I have both the Oakland and New Orleans games on my DVR and want to look at them again before deciding if this is a pattern or was unique to the SD game.
by MattR on Sep 22, 2008 3:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The real question is....

WHY WAS THE HOLDER WEARING HIS WATCH?
But seriously, we went up against two seriously good offenses. You saw how good our D can be against an average/poor offense (Raiders). So let’s not start the hand-wringing about the defense just yet.
I bet there will be AT LEAST two interceptions and a fumble recovery against KC. Mark my words.
by binford04 on Sep 22, 2008 4:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
and wedding band
Love is a razor and I have walked the line on that silver blade
by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 22, 2008 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think it affected anything
But given how anal the NFL is about uniform uniformity, I am shocked that it is legal to wear a watch or wedding band onto the field.
by MattR on Sep 22, 2008 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks binford--I think you are right about worries. As for the watch----------maybe they are timing their kicks.
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Sep 22, 2008 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given the outcome
wouldn’t that be *mis*timing their kicks? ;-)
by jonahsilas on Sep 22, 2008 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol good point
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Sep 22, 2008 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta have the bling baby!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 23, 2008 7:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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