Looking Ahead
We all love the Broncos and football, but we do it in our own way. If you enjoy the personnel and planning part of the game as much as I do, then you know that it is time to start looking at the upcoming draft.
Scouting never stops, but rankings are far too fluid at this point to start talking about who we want to draft where. We could start looking at players who have played enough to be individually evaluated at this stage, but it would be in the spirit of scouting.
The other part, which is more pertinent at this time, is figuring out our needs, and that’s what I want to discuss in this post. I really think we have seen enough of this team to have a general idea about our future needs. And while a few things will change before the season ends, pigs aren’t going to grow wings.
I am going to look at the O and D separately, and rank our needs by position. Keep in mind that you should consider a 3 year plan when approaching your roster.
- First the D-Line. We all know it—we need to put pressure on the QB. We need more pressure from the outside, and more pressure up the middle. There is just no way around it.
We are near the end of the line for Ekuban and Engelberger who will be 33 and 32 for the 09 season. We have Doom, and I truly believe that Crowder and Moss will be OK. But we need one more DE, and we need him to be more than just OK.
Marcus Thomas will be a fixture in our D-Line, and he is improving. We will have Robertson for a couple more years. He isn’t spectacular, but he doesn’t get pushed around either. Powel should return for next season (think of him as a bonus rookie), but he is a run stopper not a pass rusher. Peterson and Shaw will be 29 and 30—both career backups with no pass-rushing skills or upside. So we need one more DT, and it had better be someone who can penetrate the backfield.
- The second priority is getting a real safety, and the only reason it’s our second priority is our awful pass rush. McCree is a serviceable pro, but he is turning 32. Manuel is a bit too slow, and he is turning 30. Abdullah is a good backup, and maybe an average starter—I would only want him as a starter if there was a really good safety on the opposite side from him. We can’t really count on Barrett being more than a backup either. So we really need two safeties, but I will settle for a good one.
- The third priority is a starting MLB. Webster is going to be 31. He is a 9th year player, but he has only played 6 seasons, and he has just 25 starts to his name. Why would a guy be in the NFL for 9 years and have less than 3 starts per year? It’s because he is a very good backup, but slightly below average as a starter. The only plus side is that he doesn’t have the wear and tear of a typical 31 year old LB, so I expect that we could keep him around if we can’t draft a top notch MLB this year.
Niko is a younger version of Webster—a very good backup, but just not good enough to start. And my fear is that Larsen is much the same—although I am hoping that Larsen will stick around as a FB.
DJ, Boss, Winborn and Woodyard are good enough at OLB.
- My last position of need for the D is CB. Again keep in mind the 3 year planning and you will see that Bly and Baily will be 33 and 34. I would rather have a couple of 2nd or 3rd year CBs ready to step in when that time comes. Rookie CBs are a bit too risky for a team that hopes to be playing at the Super Bowl year in and year out. And that means we need to start drafting them now; Jack Williams is proof that Shanny agrees with me. We need two more over the next 3 years.
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Next is the O. We need to add depth if we want this offense to stay productive for a long period of time.
- We are stacked at OT with 4 young talented players, but we don’t have enough interior O-Line players for next year. Count out Nalen and Wiegmann—they are way too old for a team that wants to finish its rebuilding phase. We will have Hamilton, Kuper and Lichtensteiger with zero depth behind them. Those guys could turn out to be a great unit, but one injury and we are screwed. We need quality depth. We need to draft a Guard or a Center, and we need to sign a veteran for added depth (another Holland type signing would be nice). Good/decent quality guards and centers can be had in the mid or late rounds of the draft.
- We need depth at WR. Marshall and Royal are awesome. Stockley will be 33. Darrell Jackson will be gone (he signed a one year deal, and I don’t think he is too happy about not playing). We have no one else. That’s a huge void, and it needs to be addressed immediately. I doubt that we could sign decent veteran WRs anymore, since they aren’t going to get playing time. Those types go to places where they can shine and get that last contract. We need to draft for WR, but a late rounder will do.
- We need another blocking TE. Right now we don’t have a backup for Graham (both Sheffler and Jackson are average blockers). Also keep in mind that Jackson and Graham are turning 30 soon—they still have a few good years left in them, but we could do with a young TE to complement Scheffler. I admit that this is more of a wish than needs, but a good blocking TE can be gotten for a mid to late round pick. Well worth the price.
- We need to find another backup QB. We might get a decent QB late in the draft. If we do, I say go for it.
- Lastly, a stud RB. Torian might be that back, but right now we don’t know. What we do know is that we have 4 young good RBs in Young, Hall, Torain and Aldridge. So this isn’t a big need, especially given all our needs on the defense. But what would you do if on draft day Knowshon Moreno falls into our lap? I would say the heck with the D-line and go for it.
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Here is a summary of our needs:
Immediate needs:
1. A do it all DE
2. A penetrating DT
3. A do it all Safety
4. A Center or Guard
5. A #3 and a #4 WR
Less immediate needs
1. A MLB
2. Two future CBs
3. A blocking TE
4. A stud RB
5. A backup QB
To end, here is a look at our picks as it stands: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th (From Seattle), 5th (From Dallas), 7th, 7th (From Atlanta). Total of 9 picks. Our 6th went to NY Jets for Robertson
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You are right, it's always good to look forward.
I am not sure I agree that MLB is a less immediate need. That said, I will consider next years draft a success if our first 3-4 picks are defense picks. I don’t care what positions they are, but damn let’s get some youth on that side of the ball!!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 23, 2008 7:43 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
amir is right on with MLB
even if we were in a worse position, than we are, we don’t need the “complete” backer that other teams covet at MLB. Would it be nice? Sure, but we still have to factor in salary cap considerations. I think Larsen will come back to being a topic of conversation in the next couple of years.
Regarding LBs, I would say that in the next 3 years we need to look seriously at a first day SLB.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 23, 2008 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget
That the great Al Wilson was the 31st pick in the 1999 draft.
Love is a razor and I have walked the line on that silver blade
by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 23, 2008 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I can see the Broncos going that way again
I would have zero problem with a Malalauahagagaga as our mike, but for this abstract discussion, I wouldn’t prioritize it. In the final analysis the decision doesn’t happen in a vaccuum and I’m pretty sure I will be happy with whatever Denver does…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 23, 2008 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that
Nothing happens in a vacuum. We might have a need, but player availability will dictate what we do. If Clady was picked at #8 and Ellis was still available at #12 we would have drafted a DT.
This is just an evaluation of our needs. What we do in the draft is whole different issue. We don’t want to reach if the player we need isnt there.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on Sep 23, 2008 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
But I also think Denver will be looking at an athletic MLB. Face it Laurintus and Maluga are gonna be top 10 and dont think Denver will either trade up or be able to trade up to that position. I would rather get an impact safety or corner. I would love to say Moss or Crowder are gonna be impact by the end. Just remember on DE/DT it takes a few years to become impact players. One of the best DT/DE’s Denver ever had was Pryce, he was junk his first 2 seasons then BOOM (ala Madden) he got it and became a force. I think Denver is gonna give Moss and Crowder a full 3 season to see marked improvement
Love is a razor and I have walked the line on that silver blade
by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 23, 2008 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
SLB
We signed Boss to a pretty big deal, and he has a few years left in him. That’s the only reason I am not going to look at SLB for a couple of years yet.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on Sep 23, 2008 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
I’m just saying within your three year window. Third year sounds fine.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 23, 2008 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oddly enough
The average age on both side of our football team is right about 27. You can do the math, but our O has some old dudes on it too. The major difference is that the stars of the O are young.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on Sep 23, 2008 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that your picks are wrong.
the 5th from Dallas is for the 2010 draft and the 6th to NY is ONLY if Robertson plays X% of the time (forgot the actual number) which of course is still 9 picks.
I agree on the assessment, just the order IMHO would be.
Immediate needs:
1. A do it all DE
2. A STUD MLB (we need out Field General)
3. A do it all Safety
4. A penetrating DT
5. A future CBs (or 2)
Less immediate needs
1. A #3 and a #4 WR ( a good project WR would be nice, I mean hell Marsh was a 4th, and Smith was undrafted so you never know)
2. A stud RB (Of course this could be nill if the Train is as good as we all hope)
3. A blocking TE
4. A Center or Guard (Weingmann is only in his 6th year. most centers/guards can play 15 or so, but another guard/center is always good for depth)
5. A backup QB (I think we’re good with Hackney, but who knows, could always use a good project. Maybe hackney to backup and the drafted late round QB to the PS)
by DeadDrunk on Sep 23, 2008 8:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
65% playing time and the Broncos lose their 6th rounder to the Jets.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 23, 2008 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wiegmann
is actually 35 yrs old and in his 13th season. however, with the way he’s playing…maybe he can hang on for another year after this?
by Douglas A. Lee on Sep 23, 2008 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.. your right... my bad
I think I read somewhere that he played for the chiefs for 6 years and for some reason I thought he only played for 6 years… but i just read today, 13th season… so.. we need to start getting a center ready as a replacement in the next couple years.
by DeadDrunk on Sep 23, 2008 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the correction
I knew there was something wrong!
I still think a DT AND a DE who can put pressure on the QB are more important to this team than an upgrade at MLB.
And depth in the OL is critical. We have no one behind the starters for next year.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on Sep 23, 2008 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring back Van Pelt!!
(sorry…I think my Rammie is showing) ;-)
I like Hackney as a backup, but maybe he could be talked into being a safety…
"Let's get this thing fired up" - 'Deuce' Shanahan
by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 23, 2008 11:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hack too slow for Safety.
Van Pelt is definitely a better option than Ramsey.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 23, 2008 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Van Pelt as Safety
Leave Hack as the backup QB.
"Let's get this thing fired up" - 'Deuce' Shanahan
by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 23, 2008 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Van Pelt
Being a Fort Collins guy, a friend of mine ran into Bradlee the other day. He’s apparently given up the idea of being a QB in the NFL, but wants to come back as a D player. Safety would be about right – dude’s a football player. John Lynch started as a QB.
If there's gonna be a collision, you better start it. Larry Csonka..
by bradley on Sep 23, 2008 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read the book by the kicker/jurnalist?
Van Pelt has zero chance to come back to Denver or the NFL. I got nothing against him, but after reading the book I am sure that he wouldn’t make it Safety either.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on Sep 23, 2008 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kicker/journalist book
What did he say about Van Pelt? And what does he know anyway?
If there's gonna be a collision, you better start it. Larry Csonka..
by bradley on Sep 23, 2008 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be cool with me! Bradlee is one of my favorite backups of the past few years.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 23, 2008 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
VP burned his bridges in Denver
Im not sure what the Paper Bronco wrote in his book, but during the 06 Training camp he trashed the Coaches and Organization about how they were treating him during a public radio interview. He was highly critical of the QB drills in Camp. I remember listening to the broadcast live. I was shocked, he sounded arrogant to me. He was upset that Denver drafted Cutler. He basically thought he was the best on the field and should have been allowed a chance to compete against Plummer for the starting job. I remember telling myself he would be gone after hearing that interview. He was cut the next week.
I don’t think there’s a snowballs chance that Shanahan would take him back. Not even as the water boy.
"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras
by Denver Diehard on Sep 23, 2008 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That does explain it...
I missed that public radio interview, but if he was talking smack about the Broncos, then that explains it. I imagine being cut from the NFL completely and floating around for a while doing nothing has humbled him a lot. Not that it would matter to Shanny at this point. Shame…if he had been more humble from the beginning and open to playing D, he could be in a good position right now.
"Let's get this thing fired up" - 'Deuce' Shanahan
by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 24, 2008 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never was a fan or even casual one
He was a spoiled punk at that Div 2 school in ft. collins, Then his act on the sideline when CU beat them while he was a Bronco really turned me off. I was glad when JC was drafted and that ingrate was cut. I hope he never ever sees an NFL field again. If he had any talent at safety he would be somewhere. Also remember the difference between him and Lynch was Lynch had talent to change positions in College.
Love is a razor and I have walked the line on that silver blade
by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 24, 2008 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think day one defense
could very well be the mantra going into next year. I like your analysis of the positions, and I agree pretty much on all of them. I might replace MLB with SLB, but that far down the list I think one just needs to be vigilant.
I’m shocked that you would consider takinga star RB ina “best player available” scenario, if there was a suitable DT available… shocked I say..
100% agree on prioritizing guards and centers. Need to have backup starters and not just backup backups…
Once again I think when the smoke clears on draft day we will all be clamoring for a versatile, hard hitting fast safety. We really blew it when we passed on Reggie Nelson, he would be entering his prime right now (if 2007 didn’t ruin him), but that is water under the bridge. Right now our defense would benefit TREMENDOUSLY from a hard-hitting speedster in the middle that makes teams grit their teeth when they try and chip away at us underneath when they are trying to come back from a 30 point deficit. But I am with you in that, despite his measurables and potential, i can’t advocate Barrett yet. Here is to hoping that Barrett KNOWS that he could be a difference maker on this team right now, and is doing everything in his power to get activated…unfortunately, that is exactly what his “red flag” has always been….
Great stuff, Amir! Where have you been?
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 23, 2008 12:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
as always
I have been following the broncos, but new job, new city, got married, … you have no idea how busy I have been.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on Sep 23, 2008 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sort of get an idea of how busy you are now....
marriage alone can be enough to put everything second!! ;) just playin. Congrats man! Married life can be a true blessing for 40 weeks out of the year.
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 23, 2008 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article, Amir
A Q on Tyler Polumbus – he’s been playing backup tackle, but can he work into that guard we need? Perhaps even center to push Steiger? I know that the coaches liked him, and a year on the PS is almost normal for the Broncos O lineman, or was before the Goodman’s began to run our drafts. Ditto Pears – he’s a tackle, but does he have the skills/mindset for guard?
Good points on all. Powell had some people saying that his pass rushing talent was underrated – I hope they’re right. We might look at MLB a little higher, but I imagine that available people in the draft will answer that. With the Goodman’s ability to create solid later picks we might find some diamonds – here’s hoping
Fullbacks Rule
by Emmett Smith on Sep 23, 2008 12:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea!
I wouldn’t mind trying to work out Pears at OG, since his skill set was limited at OT… but I have no idea if he will fit the mold. Better a potential starter at G than a backup-backup at OT. But even if he doesn’t make a good guard, he is still valuable as an experienced backup OT.
Give Polumbus more time at OT. We still don’t know what he is capable of, but he is clearly good enough to make this team.
That said, neither guy will fit in at C, that I can guarantee you.
Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.
by amirebram on Sep 23, 2008 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our Guard position was weak on Sunday....
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Sep 23, 2008 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like a stud DT before any DEs.
I understand and agree with the idea that we have a couple of aging DEs. But if we could just strike paydirt with an awesome DT, he could occupy the OL and allow even average DEs to look good.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 23, 2008 4:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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