Kansas City Chiefs 33 - Denver Broncos 19 - Making The Grade
The Broncos fell flat, there is no other way to describe it. Before closing the book on Week 4 and looking forward, with nervous anticipation, to a visit by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, let's take one last look at the (lack of)performance by the Broncos in yesterday's loss to the Chiefs, in something I like to call, "Making The Grade" As always, the most important "grade" is the one on the scoreboard, and for that, the Broncos earned a big, fat F. What about the players performance? Let's take a look....
| QUARTERBACK | |
C- |
Jay Cutler -- 29/49 - 361 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT Cutler piled up the numbers, but the Broncos offense, or it's young leader, never seemed to get comfortable in the "friendly" confines of Arriwhead Stadium. Cutler seemed to relegate to some of his bad habits as the game went on, losing his mechanics several times that led to poor throws. He also seemed to lock on to receivers early which allowed Chiefs linebackers and defensive backs to get in position to make plays. In two specific instances, Cutler locked on to Brandon Marshall almost immediately after the snap and in both occasions had passes intercepted. Cutler also seemed to lose his composure a bit at the end of the game, a sign that the Chiefs defense, as well as his uneven play, had begun to frustrate him. All quarterbacks are going to have forgettable days. What separates the 'very good' from the 'great' is the ability to learn and grow from it as a football player. That is Cutler's next challenge as he works towards Sunday's game with Tampa. |

| RUNNING BACK | |
D- |
Selvin Young - 11 carries, 49 yards, 4.5 ypc I said it last week, and no one believed me(I am sure someone did, but most didn't) - the Broncos simply don't have the type of running game they are going to need moving forward. A perfect example of what I am talking about was yesterday's game. The Chiefs were playing inspired football, and the Broncos had made some mistakes. Despite all of that, the Broncos trailed by only 3 entering the 4th quarter. The defense, which had been on the field a majority of the first 3 quarters, had done a solid job to force the Chiefs into field goals. If the Broncos could just run the ball a bit, settle the game down, keep the Chiefs linebackers honest, it would open of the intermediate passing game. Plus, the Chiefs had given up over 200 yards per game on the ground. Sounds easy, right? For the Broncos, it wasn't. As a team, the Broncos were only able to rush for 94 yards on 22 carries. Take away 2-18 yards runs, 1 by Michael Pittman, the other by Selvin Young, and the totals look even worse - 20 carries/ 58 yards. Whether this was by scheme, or lack of execution, the Broncos running game is becoming as much of a concern to me as the defense, and that is saying something. |
| WIDE RECEIVER | |
D |
Eddie Royal - 9 rec. / 104 yards / 11.6 avg The Broncos receivers didn't have one of their best days, either, with each of the team's primary threats turning the ball over in their own territory. Eddie Royal's first quarter fumble led to the Chiefs second field goal and a 6-0 lead for the home team. Brandon Marshall's fumble, which came near the end of the 2nd quarter, when the Broncos were winning the game and driving for more points, was returned to the 1 yard line, all but guaranteeing the Chiefs of a touchdown and a half-time lead. Those 10 points were huge in building the confidence of the Chiefs, and along with several poorly timed drops, led to an overall forgettable day for the young receiving corps of the Broncos. Brandon Stokley had a solid day, but we come to expect that from #14. |
| TIGHT END | |
C- |
Tony Scheffler - 1 rec. / 26 yards / 26.0 ypc I thought, after re-watching the game last night, that the Broncos missed some opportunities to get the ball to Scheffler down the middle of the field. As it was, when Cutler did try to get Scheffler the ball, on a backwards pass nonetheless, the ball bounced off Scheffler's helmet and out-of-bounds for a 7 yard loss. When there is no running game, the Tight Ends seem to suffer the most since most of their work is done in the intermediate zone that Kansas City was able to take away. |
| OFFENSIVE LINE | |
B- |
The Chiefs were bringing heat most of the day, and after watching the game twice I thought the O-Line did a pretty good job of keep the pocket clean. There was one sack allowed, and while Cutler looked uncomfortable, it was more Cutler bailing early than a breakdown in pass coverage. There were times that the Chiefs seemed to be in the backfield, busting up plays before they started, but I blame the offensive play-calling for getting too cute. O-Linemen don't like cute. This group didn't have their best day, but it wasn't horrible either. |
| DEFENSIVE LINE | |
D- |
My patience is wearing very thin with this group. Tim Crowder, Jarvis Moss, Marcus Thomas, the three '07 draft picks, were all active for the first time this season and none of them made much of a ripple in the Chiefs offensive attack. It is clear that Elvis Dumervil is hampered by his finger injury and it is hindering an already anemic pass rush. While it's true that Dewayne Robertson was out, as was Josh Shaw, the Broncos came into the season knowing that they couldn't rely on Robertson to be a workhorse. I don;t know if there are any answers to fix the front 4, but at some point the Broncos are going to have to start taking chances and bring extra rushers. NFL quarterbacks, whether they are All-Pro's or career backup, are eating this defense alive because there is no pressure. |
| LINEBACKER | |
D |
Overall, I thought this was the worst game our linebackers played as a whole. D.J. Williams had a decent game, but the Chiefs did a good job of avoiding him. The Broncos went to their 4 linebacker look at times, with horrible results. How Larry Johnson can cut back on the 2nd play from scrimmage and run up the middle for 65 yards against a quasi-3-4 look is unacceptable. Nate Webster once again seemed to disappear, though the NW Helmet Count stands at 3. Boss Bailey has his moments, but he was out-muscled on the TD pass to Tony Gonzalez. While it was a pretty catch by a Hall of Fame player, it looked as though Boss played the man instead of the ball and allowed TG to make a play. That seemed to be a repeating theme in the game - the Chiefs simply made plays while the Broncos did not. |
| DEFENSIVE BACKS | |
D |
I know Champ Bailey is Champ Bailey, but at some point he needs to suck it up and take the opposing team's best receiver. We see it over and over, teams simply lining up their best targets opposite of Bailey, thus leading to a big day. In this case it was Dwayne Bowe who had a big game, mostly at the expense of Dre Bly and Jack Williams, two undersized corners. The NFL is all about matchups and the Broncos did a poor job yesterday of adjusting to what the Chiefs were doing. While it is true that Jack Williams didn't have a great day, many of those throws were placed perfectly, and there is no reason for Williams to be covering Bowe in the first place. It's always a bad sign when a safety leads the team in tackles, which was the case yesterday - Marquand Manuel had 8 tackles. |
| SPECIAL TEAMS | |
D |
The Good - Matt Prater is the first Bronco ever to kick 2-50 yard field goals AWAY from Mile High Stadium. It proves just how strong a leg this kid has. The Bad: Prater's miss of a chip shot is unacceptable. He has to make a kick inside 30 yards 100% of the time. The coverage units, specifically the kick off coverage team, was awful. Every time the Broncos seemed to get some momentum after a score, the Broncos allowed the Chiefs a big return and great field position. Another example of the defense being put in a bad position. |
| COACHING | |
F |
It is true the Broncos did not play well, but they weren't given much of a chance by what I consider a horrible game plan, on both sides of the ball. Too often the Broncos seemed content on "trickeration" than straight-up football, and while stuff like that is needed when playing an opponent with superior talent, I didn't think it was necessary against the Chiefs. The Broncos coaches "played" just as bad as the guys inside the white lines yesterday and like the players need to improve heading into Week 5. |
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Nice Breakdown, TSG...
As bad as our pass rush has been, I really think that to blame our defensive woes exclusively on the impotence of the d-line misses the point that our linebacker play and defensive backfield have both been sub-par as well. Against New Orleans and again this week, on many of the occasions when we rushed three, the QB was still able to find WIDE OPEN receivers within just a few seconds. That’s just flat unacceptable, and I really think that even if we improve the pass rush our lack of cover skills is going to kill us all year. We could have had much better pressure against Drew Brees last week and it just wouldn’t have made that much difference as quickly as he was consistently able to find open receivers on his first or second read. I’m afraid we’re just a pretty bad defense right now, with no promising signs that this unit will be able to improve very much without some new personnel.
by Broncs Cheer on Sep 29, 2008 9:52 AM MDT 0 recs
Thoughts...
1. The 3-4 look is garbage, and I was glad to see it scrapped early.
2. I don’t know why we always say some variation of “if you take away the 49 yard run by Selvin Young, we didn’t run the ball well.” The good runs do count. If you take away the 4 biggest runs by LJ yesterday (which totaled 132 yards,) we held him pretty well in check for the other 24 carries, where he only got 66 yards, for a 2.75 yard average. Nobody is saying KC didn’t run the ball well, though, because it isn’t true.
3. There is reason to believe that the defense can improve organically, as the season wears on, like the Packers running game improved in the second half of last season. On most plays, our guys play well, then they get killed by a big play. By being sounder, and cutting out these big plays, the overall performance will improve in a huge way.
4. Sometimes you play badly, and the other team plays well. Yesterday, the bear ate us. Let’s hope it serves as a lesson and a growth opportunity.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by TedBartlett905 on Sep 29, 2008 10:32 AM MDT 0 recs
Ok...
Take that statement out. We couldn’t run the ball. I was just pointing out that it was even worse than the numbers, that some people rely on for their opinions, may point out. Until we can run the football with any type of consistency, we will have situations where our offense struggles…
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by JohnnyB(TSG) on
Sep 29, 2008 10:56 AM MDT
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What I said wasn't directed just at this post...
and you’re right, in the point you were making. The running game lacks commitment and consistency. I just see that “if you take out….” thought process a lot (usually to discount runs by Selvin Young, I’ve noticed) and I wanted to make the point that big runs count too.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by TedBartlett905 on
Sep 29, 2008 11:55 AM MDT
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Great point on cutting out big plays
which is HIGHLY indicative of a major weakness that NEVER gets enough attention from the Broncos: SAF.
Bringing up GB again, when they were instituting their run-contain scheme on defense, they had just drafted some young linemen and gotten the DBs they were looking for when they lost their starting safety for the year. The result was the 2006 team that played well but lost consistently because of the big play. The next year they looked to FreeAgency and the draft, addressed the safety position, and the result was the Packers 2007 defense, which was very good, while also being conservative, though it struggled when the DTs started to struggle. I haven’t watched them in 2008 yet to see how their defense is doing.
Bottom line is LJ ran for 60+ yards on his second touch because everyone failed to tackle him, with the last person who failed to tackle him being the SAF. If they were up at the line lost in garbage, then they shouldn’t have been, that isn’t a safeties job.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Sep 29, 2008 1:27 PM MDT
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Drink another beer!
The problem has always been, the coaching! Mike says that he has the best coaching staff in the league. If so, then why R special teams constantly out of position?, and, Why is the D so out of position. Why cannot the defence, stop the run? Why cannot the D,
get a pass rush? I believe that it is simply 2 things. Coaching and personnel. When we have a D line, Strong up the middle, disrupting the opponents O. and “book ends” (someone to help DOOM), then we will B GREAT ON D!
That will solve every other problem that the D has. Such as “Coverage”, ETC>
by metalman5050 on
Sep 29, 2008 5:32 PM MDT
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I agree with everything you just said...
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by Zappa on Sep 29, 2008 10:37 AM MDT 0 recs
I actually graded Cutler's performance as "F"
Too many times he was looking for Brandon Marshall exclusively. The worst example was the roll out to the left. He could have either ran for some yards or hit Scheffler in the middle of the field. There was no one within 5 yards of him. Its all well and good to look for Marshall, but logic says you look for a more wide open receiver. Perhaps going to a TE a little more often will soften up the D for a big play.
One major item that is glaring with this team and Guru mentioned it last night was this team does not have a feature RB. I sure hope Torain is the real deal. We need someone that can handle more of the load running the ball. Selvin Young is NOT the answer.
Defensively, there needs to be some major upgrades. It may take a draft of a MLB and a DT before any changes happen.
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by mdierk on Sep 29, 2008 10:48 AM MDT 0 recs
I voted D, little lower than the rather generous C- from Guru.
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by Zappa on
Sep 29, 2008 11:17 AM MDT
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I like Cutler with a C-
He loses a letter grade for each pick. He gets a minus for not being more mature than any other year 3 QB — meaning he’s not seeing the whole field or is he comfortable playing from behind.
I thought the Broncos were going to win the game until about 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter. I kept waiting for them to remove their craniums from their sphincters and to play ball like we all know they can. Echoing last year, this team is not there yet.
I’ve watched the Chargers go from a team that would find a way to choke on big leads, to a team that not only finishes opponents when they are down, but that actually plays better when they are behind. I only hope this young Bronco squad doesn’t similarly take 3 or 4 years to develop that kind of patient confidence.
We were spoiled by the Mighty John, since he seemed to be born with the belief that he would find a way to win. I keep hoping Jay, when his team needs him most, will put the offense on his back and carry them down the field, the way all great QBs do. Until he can do that consistently, we’ll continue to lose games like this one.
In the interest of full disclosure: I voted for Jay in the Elway vs. Cutler thread, since I think he’s a better QB than John was at year 3.
by CoastalBronco on
Sep 29, 2008 11:39 AM MDT
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Good breakdown over all...
Guru you might have numbers but it seems to me that the Shannahan era has been one of defensive special teams futility. Maybe it’s just recent history I’m remembering but every season seems to come with poor kickoff & punt coverage. Even including the big runs, the run game was not effective. KC never had to respect the Denver RBs and stayed in their nickle package for most of the game in order to take away the long throw. Ripping off 36 yards on two big carries just doesn’t scare an NFL team but 136 yards on four carries with Bronco defenders hanging off shoulder pads and getting run over in the process, that’s intimidation. You must to have a running game that bruises bodies, especially on the road with a lead; Denver does not have this. My opinion is the Defense actually did okay for what they were called on to do. Terrible ST coverage and a lack of offensive production will wear down any defense. Add a RB that is basically a plow and you’re defense will eventually whither and die. Not saying the D is off the hook but the offense and ST are probably more to blame here. Don’t know why Arrowhead Stadium gets Shannahan so bumfuzzled?
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by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Sep 29, 2008 10:53 AM MDT 0 recs
Shout out for Boss
I think Boss Bailey has been a good addition for our defense. He’s flying around and making good open field tackles. Although the TD to Tony G hurt, that was an extremely well thrown ball, and Tony G has been making good players look bad for his entire career. Let’s hope Boss stays on the field and out of the Greek’s office this year.
by CoastalBronco on Sep 29, 2008 11:17 AM MDT 0 recs
I agree
I saw Boss and DJ all over the place.
The only time I saw Webster was when he was picking up his helmet!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
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by DesertBroncoFan on
Sep 30, 2008 11:40 AM MDT
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I gave Cutler
a friggin F. It was abysmal. When he tried to force the ball to Royal instrad of hitting a WIDE OPEN Graham, just showed me that while he is a great QB, he trusts his cannon too much. I want to really complain on how bad they played, and they did. But it was a road game against a rival. I am still taking it all in. I am tired of the bitching about the running game. If anyone here thinks it was gonna be like past years to start the season out with, while forgetting the Broncos are starting 2 new tackles and a center are kidding themselves. While I am not ecstatic about it, the good runs do show there is promise. However when will the Broncos EVER GET ST"S THAT DONT SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 29, 2008 11:22 AM MDT 0 recs
ST 's that don't suck?
When the coaching staff gets with the program!
I agree with the Cutler assesment, accept a D. Check up instead of down. That is what he needs to do.
by metalman5050 on
Sep 29, 2008 5:57 PM MDT
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Mostly agree Guru
I would have graded a few differently (mainly Cutler), but it’s not anything to argue over. The one area I wanted to highlight was the coaching, specifically:
Too often the Broncos seemed content on “trickeration” than straight-up football
I was noticing that yesterday too. It’s happened a lot over the last few years, especially noticeable when we play inferior teams. For instance, that stupid 3rd & 1 call for the WR run instead of telling our team to line up in I formation and knock them on their backside.
Part of the coaching calls seem to say to the team, “I don’t think you can beat them straight up, so we’re going to get cute.” I’d rather the coach tell his team that he believes they can line up with anyone and get a yard or 2 when we need it.
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by Darin H on Sep 29, 2008 11:43 AM MDT 0 recs
Especially seeing how the chiefs couldn't stop anyone running this year
Seeing what Oakland did to them with a zone blocking scheme, we should of gotten a lot more out of the running attack.
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by Broncoman on
Sep 29, 2008 12:06 PM MDT
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Unfortunately, I saw the Marshall play coming
when he motioned into the backfield. My first thought was “What the Hell is Marshall doing in the backfield” and had a felling of dread that he was going to get the ball. After he fumbled I said that we are trying to be too cute.
Was Pittman tired or something? Isn’t that why we have him? Has he been stopped on a short yardage situation yet this year?
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on
Sep 30, 2008 11:44 AM MDT
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Can't argue with any of the grades, you hit it on the head
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by Broncoman on Sep 29, 2008 12:04 PM MDT 0 recs
Thanks for the analysis Guru.
You did not mention over-all team effort. I am curious, did we play hard? Why did we essentially get beat in the fourth quarter? I missed the game again this week and may have to look for a new profession. This preaching on Sundays is really starting to interfere with my Bronco watching.
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on Sep 29, 2008 12:09 PM MDT 0 recs
You know what....
Funny you should say that. I had a section at the end called “EFFORT”, which I gave the team a B for. I went on to talk about how, despite the final result and the overall poor play, that I thought the team played it’s guts out, especially on defense. The D kept the team in the game for the better part of 3 quarters, while the offense kept giving the ball back to the Chiefs deep in Broncos territory. When the offense did get something done and score the return-coverage teams would give up a big kick-off return to put the Chiefs at midfield.
Somewhere, in all my cutting and pasting, that section got deleted, but since you asked, my answer is here….
-TSG
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by JohnnyB(TSG) on
Sep 29, 2008 12:22 PM MDT
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That is good to know
We can take the loss and learn from it and move on to prepare for Tampa. There were times last year when I felt we lacked effort. I can’t stand that.
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on
Sep 29, 2008 12:35 PM MDT
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Wanted: Defensive Architecht
The grades were bang on I think.. especially the game plan/play calling.. this was bound to happen to a young team whose players and coaches (Bates included) are getting new national attention and think they’re better than they are — the Chefs had way more intensity. It happens at least once a week in this league.. but everybody knows that – Does everybody know that until we get a true defensive mind in this organization we are doomed to swing and miss on defensive draft picks – see 07 class as most recent example.. (or the 3 corners before that, none of which will be with us at season’s end) My observation of the KC debacle is that one’s on the offence, particularly the coaches and a lack of intensity.. My question is this — WHO IS GOING TO SHAPE THIS DEFENCE (and by natural selection get the athleticism into special teams we lack) INTO A CHAMPIONSHIP UNIT?? It’s not Slowik, he’s a stop gap because of his popularity. I believe front office is aware they don’t have the personnel yet, and that this off season’s free agent class should all be at least visiting Denver – but as mentioned, without that Defensive Architecht at the healm when that time comes…
by quarterhorse on Sep 29, 2008 12:10 PM MDT 0 recs
Again Gunther Cunningham for D-Coordinator in 09'
One other name that may be available is Mike Stoops who I am guessing will get canned from the University of Arizona, but he is brother to Bob Stoops and both of them are good defensive minded coaches, plus Mike Stoops should be very familiar with the college kids coming out in the next 5 years seeing how he coached them
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by Broncoman on
Sep 29, 2008 12:24 PM MDT
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One other canidate: Greg Williams
"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
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by Broncoman on
Sep 29, 2008 12:25 PM MDT
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Until the CBA gets hashed out
Don’t expect Denver to look anywhere but inhouse for its future coaches. They are focused on home growing them, and I think they are still sore from the Bates’ experiment. We have a good D-line coach (no one probably believes me on that one) but I think our LB coach is getting a rough.
Joe Baker is another Broncos coach who could move up the ranks. He is helping on offense right now, but he was brought in to coach DJ on the switch to MLB last year, and he was a LB and DB coach before that. His LB unit in StLouis was 7th in the league intakeaways and his DB unit in NewOrleans ranked 5th in takeaways.
But no defensive coach can lead the league in anything without one great DT and one great DE. That is all they need. We migt have the DE, in DOOM, and we may even have much more than that, but we are struggling at DT. It isn’t a coincidence that LJ has almost 200 yards rushing when we have our premiere DT out of the game. DRob definitely helps, but for patching this line he is too little too late….
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Sep 29, 2008 1:44 PM MDT
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first paragraph
I meant to add that Jim Ryan (anyone recognize the name?) is in his first year as a LB coach. He has been with Denver for four years (the only team he has been with) but this is his first assignment like this, with this much responsibility.
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by styg50 on
Sep 29, 2008 1:46 PM MDT
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I like Ryan, but again, I don't think he would be a good defensive coordinator
Now here is an idea, what about Dennison, obviously he started out as a defensive player, he has coached our special teams (when they used to play well), and he is going to be stuck being a glorified offensive line coach as long as Bates and Shannan are there.
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by Broncoman on
Sep 29, 2008 1:52 PM MDT
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I didn't mean
to nominate Ryan. I was wanting to indicate that I think he has had a real rough introduction to NFL assistant coaching duties.
I think Dennison could certainly be a defensive, or even head coaching candidate. If I had to guess about the next assistant coach to go on to another team in a graduated capacity, it would be him, as either an O-coordinator or head coach. Good call.
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Sep 29, 2008 2:44 PM MDT
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I've said before that
Dennison should move back to Defense and Nails should be the OL coach (if/when he retires).
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
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by DesertBroncoFan on
Sep 30, 2008 11:48 AM MDT
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I think they need some out of town talent
For all that is made of growing in house talent, I know that Mike Shannan has always wanted Gunther Cunningham to be our D-coordinator, last week being a perfect reason why, you look at KC defense, and outside of Derrick Johnson, there are no real stars on that team, yet they play smart, cause turnovers, and attack and offense. I really don’t see someone on the staff that I think would be a great D-coordinator, and Slowvik has shown he is awful.
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by Broncoman on
Sep 29, 2008 1:50 PM MDT
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I think it revolves around
being able to afford the out of house talent. GC will be courted by lots of teams and will necessarily get overvalued. I am all for bringing in a deep defensive philosophy that meshes well with what Shanny believes in on offense, but I don’t think Bowlen can afford it right now…
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by styg50 on
Sep 29, 2008 2:45 PM MDT
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I DON'T THINK THAT WE need to look for someone new!
I think that the “Head Coach”, needs to step up and give the direction to the staff that this team needs. If in fact He Is The MASTER MIND, and HE believes that he has the “best coaches in the league,” then He has laid it all in his own lap!
JUST, GITTER DUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by metalman5050 on
Sep 29, 2008 6:16 PM MDT
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Lets take a breath here
Is lining up prospective DC replacements really the right approach as fans right now? The team is 3-1, and honestly, if you had told me before the season started that we’d be 3-1 heading into Week 4, I’d be ecstatic. Granted, the defense is BAD. But what we haven’t given Slowik an opportunity to make yet is an adjustment. This loss will be at least the beginning of the challenge to make some schematic changes. Honestly, I take the move to some 3-4 as a good sign—-it means we’re willing to try different things. I understand the move because I believe we have more LB talent than we do DL talent, especially when D-Rob is out of the lineup.
So lets cut Slowik some slack, envision how we would like the team to prepare for the Bucs this week, and watch to see if any adjustments are made. If we don’t start blitzing consistently or plugging up the middle of the defense this week, then we can start slowly calling for his head.
I for one, hope Slowik works out. I’m tired of the DC carousel, and its time to get some talent through FA and the draft instead of pumping and dumping coaches.
by NTSBusMan on Sep 29, 2008 1:42 PM MDT 0 recs
The problem is he isn't making adjustments
Every team has figured out that we won’t move Bailey from the left side of the field, so coordinators are lining up their best reciever against our 3rd CB (Paymah or Williams) and reaping the rewards, to me, if Bailey is your best player, he better be coevering the best WR in the game, no matter where they line him up. Next the blitz have been too predicatble and too easy for teams to pick-up, if you are going to blitz you need to confuse the offensive line as to who is coming and who isn’t, then overload a section of the line, but basically they are anoucing who, when , and how they are going to blitz and the lines are picking it up easily.
And last, the defensive line has been a joke, every week they have gone up against banged up o-lines and yet they can’t even get a sniff of pressure or sacks, that may be a more telling statement on personnel versus coaching, but if you are a 1st stringer then you should be beating 2nd stringers at least 50% of the time.
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by Broncoman on
Sep 29, 2008 1:58 PM MDT
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It's apropos
that the typo here is “blitz”. That’s right, there was only about one real blitz in the game. It was 3rd and 8 or something and I think we ended up rushing either 6 or 7 men, ended up getting burned because Huard tossed up a pretty darn good throw that got caught. From then on, the blitz went away. I don’t like that, get burned once and stop. We’ve done that every game so far this year.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on
Sep 29, 2008 3:58 PM MDT
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I think a C is fair for JC, but unfortunately, I think this game shows us where the Broncos would be this season with anything less than an outstanding QB. The O-Line continues to pass block extremely well. On coaching, two gimmick plays absolutely killed offensive momentum and I’m not sure why either was called. One resulted in the fumble by Marshall setting the Chefs up on the one. The other resulted in a 6-yard loss on the backward pass to fricken Sheffler, of all people, that ended up going out of bounds. Straight up the Broncos should have been able to move the ball at will against the Chefs. Not sure what was up with the weird play calling.
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by Bob in Boulder on Sep 29, 2008 1:57 PM MDT 0 recs
Good Points
I agree – good breakdown. I was one of the ones who felt pretty certain the run game would improve enough to at least compliment what the Broncos were doing in the air but judging by what we saw yesterday this may be wishful thinking. It might have been a one week aberration but it is clear that the combination of growing pains in the run block department, questionable play calling and lack of a single credible feature back is a serious liability. With a credible running attack the Broncos should easily have been able to slow things down and take back the tempo of the game. Right now, our running game could generously be described as ‘average’ at best.
I don’t know what else to say about the DL. As a fan I am at my wits end with it and to say there is no excuse for giving up 33 points and over 300 yards of offense to Kansas City is an embarrassment isn’t even scratching the surface.
It’s true that every team has games like this on occasion but teams with championship aspirations win the games they’re supposed to win. The Broncos are a young team with some glaring weaknesses but also an undeniable level of talent in many areas. This will be their biggest test of the season – can they learn, grow and improve from something like this?
They really don’t have any other choice.
by TheMastermind on Sep 29, 2008 2:24 PM MDT 0 recs
At this point we might as well just start playing every young player that the Broncos think might have a future with the Broncos. That way we can spend the rest of the season evaluating those players and see where we need to focus on in the upcoming drafts while getting the young guys much needed experience. Honestly, I don’t see how this defense could get any worse. At least young guys fighting for their NFL futures will play inspired football. I haven’t seen a full quarter of inspired football from the Broncos defense in four games.
GO BRONCOS!!!
by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 29, 2008 3:23 PM MDT 0 recs
Seems a little bit early to be throwing in the towel
If we were at the end of the season and not going to make the playoffs maybe I would support this.
As it is, we are still 3-1 and leading the AFC West (for now). I would like to see some of our rookies out there (especially Larson after the ST hit). JMFW has been out there, but for some reason kept getting matched up against Bowe (why Champ wasn’t on him is beyond me).
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by DesertBroncoFan on
Sep 30, 2008 11:59 AM MDT
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Leadership.....Where's Al Wilson we need his Fire and Passion Despartely
The biggest problem I see with this team is a huge lack of leadership and quick frankly this past Sunday against the Chiefs it appeared that there was an absolutely a lack of desire as well! Maybe I just missed it but I didn’t see any fire. Where were the leaders in the huddle and on the sideline getting in people’s faces or hell for that matter even talking trying to figure things out? The coaching definitely gets an F! If there were a lower grade possible I would give them a lower grade. The ONLY way the Chiefs beat the Broncos is if they can run the ball and they come out and show a 3-4 front playing Nickel in the 1st defensive series?!?!?!?! Apparently the coaching staff does not understand their defensive personnel. Who knows maybe I missed something but this looks like a team that needs at least 4 players to step up and be leaders and hold there team mates accountable. Mike Shanahan needs to step up and get involved with his coaches and get in their faces because the effort shown on Sunday and apparently a bad week of practice leading up to Sunday (according to Champ) is not acceptable! They looked lost and confused and didn’t seem to care enough to try and fix it.
by golfsnow on Sep 29, 2008 4:10 PM MDT 0 recs
How can we say the running game
did so poorly when they weren’t given the chance to succeed? In a game that was close until the very end (that is, situationally we didn’t NEED to pass), we only ran the ball 22 times. Besides that, the passing game, as we have shown, wasn’t at it’s best today. Shouldn’t we have been trying to run the ball? Especially, as was pointed out, against one of the worse run defenses in the league? I give the run game a C- with the coaching taking most of the hit for the results (4.3 ypc isn’t bad).
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Sep 29, 2008 4:11 PM MDT 0 recs
Intensity makes plays
We can talk about bad play calling, bad decision making, whatever, but pro football is a game of inches. Many big pass plays are almost picks, many picks are almost big pass plays, ditto for all other areas of the game. There are so many plays within each play where a tiny difference can have a huge impact, the almost tackle, the almost block or the barely got him block, and so on. The Broncos are very young at key positions. What young players have to learn is that a big gap in intensity almost always trumps a big gap in talent. The coaches can exhort them not to overlook a horrendous team because any team, no matter how bad, can beat you if they’re way more intense that you are, but the young players have to experience it before they they know it in their gut. Until then they’ll be “inconsistent”. The almost plays, the almost tackle at the line of scrimmage on a 66 yard run, the almost big run that was barely tripped up – the great majority of these fall for the team that wants it more. There are so many tiny almosts on almost every play, all over the field, and they cumulatively add up to a bad teaming soundly beating a good one, usually in a “can’t lose” game.
How you lose is almost irrelevant. When you’re flat your strengths are negated and your weaknesses exaggerated. The Giants didn’t win the Super Bowl because of their superior pass rush. They won because they were more up for the game, and that being the case the best part of their game was the most visible. If the Patriots hadn’t been flat the Giants’ pass rush still would have been the best part of their game, but it wouldn’t have been good enough. Instead, in play after play, it would have been almost good enough. Our running game will get better as our o-line matures, and we can only hope for a similar improvement, as the year goes on, in the d-line, which is still by far our most glaring weakness. If Doom can get his mojo back, if Thomas (and hopefully Moss and Crowder) can show improvement, and if the line as a whole can become better coordinated, Denver will be solid by playoff time. By then, if our young players mature enough, our weaknesses and negated strengths will almost beat us if we’re not quite on.
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by spock on Sep 29, 2008 4:22 PM MDT 0 recs
"A big gap in intensity almost always trumps a big gap in talent"?
That’s ridiculous. By that logic a team like Oregon St could…wait…uhhhhh….nevermind!!!
Great points!!! I think that is what Bellicheck has done so well in NE over the past half decade. The Broncos, on the other hand, have showed no defensive intensity all season. I made a point of watching the CHI v PHI game and now the PIT v BAL game just to see how good defense looks. What I noticed is that they hit hard and attack every play ALL GAME LONG. You can hear them ‘pop’ on every play. And the defensive line fights untill the play is over. I haven’t seen any of that, especially not consistently, from the Broncos defense. Our defensive line seems to focus more on holding a gap than on attacking the offense. It’s possible we need a little less Xs and Os and a little more blood lust.
GO BRONCOS!!!
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