What are the chances of a deal?
OK, I was reading Jim Armstrong the other day talking about trying to swing a deal for a defensive player right now.
Normally, I would not go for this kind of deal in mid-season, it would mean the Broncos would probably have to overpay somewhat. But this got me thinking... (always a dangerous prospect). Before the season, many were thinking if the Broncos could make the playoffs this year, that'd be a good step in the right direction. However, the offense has been playing far above what anyone in their right mind suspected they would. Also, crashing back to earth are the Patriots, the Colts and the Chargers to some degree, and the preseason darlings like Cleveland and Jax. This leaves the Broncos with a huge opportunity that no one could've seen coming before week 1. The obvious, glaring, CRIPPLING weakness of this team is the defense. So, Armstrong raises the question: Should the Broncos swing a deal to get some help on defense and make a real run this year?
My questions are: Is this even possible? Should they pursue it? And who would they go after? Obviously, Tennessee is not going to part with Albert Haynsworth. Is there anyone out there who may be available for the right price? I know Denver is going to have to sacrifice to get someone of impact. Is there a team out there willing to do it?
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It probably won't make a difference at this point.
We are what we are and we just gotta deal with it until next season.
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by Zappa on
Sep 29, 2008 9:09 AM MDT
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I wouldn't "overpay" for something right now because...
Despite the loss to the Chiefs the AFC is still wide open and the Broncos have an opportunity to exceed expectations to an extent this year without it. They will then still be in position to make some big strides defensively in the offseason with the draft picks they will have at their disposal. To me making a midseason move to make a run is more of a baseball move not a football move. In baseball people are more willing to mortgage the future for the present and vice versa but in football I just don’t see the Broncos getting the kind of player mid season that is going to make that big of an impact.
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by Denverjhawk on
Sep 29, 2008 9:20 AM MDT
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No deal!
We are not one player away from having a good defense. We’re stuck with our current group of guys and we need to play smarter football. IMO, I just hope our scouting department is doing their homework as they scout college guys. We need to draft smart and acquire rising talent.
I wish Woody Paige was our coach!
by bcfunk on
Sep 29, 2008 10:17 AM MDT
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Haynesworth...............
Might not be a bad idea in Free Agency next year. But I’m not sure how his attitude is, he seems to be getting straightened out and is a heck of a player. I think we should consider one top shelf free agent for the d-line next year along with a good draft that is defensive minded. I think the offensive bad day was an anomally yesterday, and Bates found out he still has some things to learn as a play caller, but it is clear we need help on D. I don’t think it is worth mortgaging our future though.
The player who thinks he can and the player who knows he can are two different players, which one are you???
by Broncofan on
Sep 29, 2008 10:22 AM MDT
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No way Titans let him go
They are doing well and he is playing great, so I can’t see that as a deal.
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"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
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by Broncoman on
Sep 29, 2008 11:59 AM MDT
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He wont sign with them next year
he stated that when he got his franchise tag!
" He goes against Champ everyday." -Jay Cutler
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on
Sep 29, 2008 12:24 PM MDT
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That wont stop them from franchising him next year.
He wont like it, but he can’t stop it.
by Papamag on
Sep 29, 2008 2:03 PM MDT
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Besides...
….he’ll sign with them if the you know what is good enough.
If there's gonna be a collision, you better start it. Larry Csonka..
by bradley on
Sep 29, 2008 2:21 PM MDT
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I was under the impression
he was franchised this year
" He goes against Champ everyday." -Jay Cutler
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on
Oct 8, 2008 9:18 PM MDT
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Haynsworth is a punk
No way we bring him in after cleaning house of bad seeds. After stepping on someones face after a play you can not redeem yourself…even if it was a cowboy. At least Romanowski waited to become a faider before he imploded. Romo was one of my fav b/c he didn’t take crap from anyone, but haynsworth seems to be more of a baby in a man suit.
by Sneaky Sean on
Sep 29, 2008 8:04 PM MDT
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My thoughts
I know I am still a football novice but I think that paying big money to DRob like we are and then going out and buying another big name DT CRIPPLES Marcus Thomas and his development. I like Thomas and I think he needs one more season under his belt to really get things going on the d line for him.
Elvis Dumervil and DJ Williams lined up on the same side of the ball is scary for offensive lines. That being said not playing Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder hurts them and their development. I think in the end we play Crowder because he is probably the BEST overall DE we have, but playing Eek and Eng just hurts this line right now.
That being said I don’t think much changes I like the idea of another guy but if thats the case we need another Shaw type. A guy who isn’t gonna complain not being listed as a starter but contributes! I say no to Haynesworth just because I see things in Thomas that I want in a starter and tell me which one (DRob or Haynes) is gonna sit on the sideline to begin a game?
" He goes against Champ everyday." -Jay Cutler
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on
Sep 29, 2008 12:24 PM MDT
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Eek and Eng
are the only ones producing right now though
by Sneaky Sean on
Sep 29, 2008 8:05 PM MDT
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cost
I’ve thought about getting Haynesworth, since he’s clearly an impact player, but I think the cost would be prohibitive. A single dominant player would obviously help but it’s actually more prudent to add a number of the pieces (both next year and in 2010) rather then looking for the magic bullet.
Also, I’m not against adding FAs but we might want to proceed the way way we have recently, with solid but more cost-effective additions. And I realize that growing impatience with the defense makes that even less attractive now.
If the scouting staff does their homework we can add a number of players, and rely more on some of those players developing than putting all our eggs in one basket. I’d prefer to see us target the low to middle rounds in the draft, say the 3rd and 4th rounds, because their contracts are far more cost effective. I’m also in favor of solid, lower risk, high character guys in the early rounds. Rather than moving up to pick a Maualugu (who I happen to love), it would probably be better to settle for the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc., best ILB or whichever position they deem, and use the draft pick they would have used to obtain Maualuga on another solid prospect. We should be able to get high-quality players with our first two picks and add more possible help later (and we’ve obtained some more picks lately).
by Colinski on
Sep 29, 2008 3:03 PM MDT
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A few pieces missing, but...
One dominating DL is what we need to get the front 4 back on track. I for one took Trev Pryce for granted in this respect – he played on most downs at both DT and DE and glued the whole thing together even though the guys around him weren’t necessarily the greatest players in that respect. If he’s got the leadership skills as well, then the whole line should perform better and it’d lessen the chances of Messrs Moss and Crowder heading to Bustville (they’re behind at the moment, but hopefully we’ll see more from them in the future). Ideally Marcus Thomas would become that guy, and I hope he does, but I wouldn’t put money on it. We’ve not really had an every-down lineman since Pryce, and it’s time we got one. I think we missed Robertson more than we thought we would yesterday. Peterson did a pretty good job in his absence, but he’s a different type of player.
However, who’s going to give us one at this point in time.
by Muse_Cubed on
Sep 29, 2008 10:26 AM MDT
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Here's the deal they should make
Trade for Shaun Rogers on the Browns, pay them what they paid, basically a 3rd rounder, and put him in the DT rotation, Cleveland is going no where this year and they may be willing to get rid of some salary for next year and get some draft picks. Otherwise, I can’t see another player we could get that would have that much of an impact at this point.
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"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
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by Broncoman on
Sep 29, 2008 12:01 PM MDT
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We've been bad on Defence for going on 5 years...
nobody’s going to change that now. I believe that games are won and lost in the trenches and our DLine has been the suspect all along. We’ve tried different coordinators/schemes and nothing works because the players on the DLine just aren’t good enough.
I would be tempted to pick all Defensive Linemen in next years draft and hope one of them sticks. :)
by CalgaryFan on
Sep 29, 2008 12:05 PM MDT
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for 5 years?
Have you been watching this team for the past 5 years?
Love is a razor and I have walked the line on that silver blade
by broncfanstuckinsd on
Sep 29, 2008 12:10 PM MDT
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apparently not
I think it was 2005 (I could be dreaming) where we looked great under Coyer until mid to late season. We still did well and made the AFC game which was lost mostly to Plummer anyway. We have been bad since we lost the command of the D at MLB. I miss Al Wilson! When he got hit, so did our defense.
" He goes against Champ everyday." -Jay Cutler
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on
Sep 29, 2008 12:26 PM MDT
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I thought we lost to Pittsburg in 2005 because the run first Steelers wouldn't
stop passing to the open man. Rothlisberger cut through the Denver pass-Defense like a hot knife through butter. It was painful to watch.
by Arctic Bronco on
Sep 30, 2008 1:40 AM MDT
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Jim Armstrong is half an idiot, and that's the good half of him
There is very little that can be done with outside personnel to improve the defense right now. It’s not like baseball where there are buyers and sellers, because the deadline is so early. The only significant trade I can see happening is Roy Williams going somewhere (Dallas or Philly, in all likelihood) for what would likely end up being a late 1st rounder, because Detroit isn’t going to sign him after this season, and they’re going nowhere right now.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by TedBartlett905 on
Sep 29, 2008 1:46 PM MDT
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Jim Armstrong is half an idiot, and that's the good half of him
Totally agree.
If there's gonna be a collision, you better start it. Larry Csonka..
by bradley on
Sep 29, 2008 3:46 PM MDT
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No deal
3 reasons.
1)We have more than one significant hole, so we won’t get over the top with one player anyways.
2)There isn’t anybody worth getting at DT or SAF. These are rare players with lots of value and teams aren’t parting with them.
3)We still have to see our own plan through. We have Carlton Powell on the PUP, and he is a runstopper who needs less time to develop than a penetrating pass rush DT. Marcus Thomas needs one more year, according to the median for DT contributions. Some take more some take less, but the median is 3 years. Josh Barrett is a 1st round safety talent with major questionmarks upstairs. Denver, under Shanahan, has never valued a SAF without experience, so Barrett needs to get it done in practice, OTA’s, and everywhere else, but the practice field. i think trial by fire would do him good, but there is probably a 1% chance that he gets that opportunity. He is just going to have to find other ways to get smart.
Our answers all lie in the draft, past, present and future. It means being patient, which the kneejerk writers for the MSM can’t count among their virtues.
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by styg50 on
Sep 29, 2008 2:11 PM MDT
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What are the chances of a deal?
That can make a substantial impact this season?
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GO BRONCOS!!!
by UnarmingMermaid on
Sep 29, 2008 3:38 PM MDT
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Here's another
Just looking at the FAs here. I don’t a clue on most of them, but I recall looking into the Packer’s situation around the time of our matchup in the preseason.
Here’s the kind of FA help I was thinking of: Colin Cole. He’s on a tender this year as a RFA. An acquisition of this type would only be a move to shore up the DL, not necessarily provide an impact player or even a starter.
by Colinski on
Sep 29, 2008 3:46 PM MDT
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Maybe you just like guys with "Col" in their name...
and he has it twice, even. Double bonus!!
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by TedBartlett905 on
Sep 29, 2008 8:26 PM MDT
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Yup
There are two kinds of teams that seem to be worth watching when it comes to acquiring FA talent. One is the well-stocked team whose reserves may be good enough to start on your team — like Green Bay. Another type of team is the dysfunctional team that’s a bottom dweller and thus drafts talent but never seems to develop that talent, like — say — Detroit, or perhaps Cleveland in the Brownco days. Cole is part of a very well-stocked Green Bay defense. He’s cheap. He has size, which may or may not fit into our current defensive plans. And he’s behind some real talent and may want to go elsewhere where he can start, or have a better chance to start.
by Colinski on
Sep 30, 2008 3:44 AM MDT
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Actually, I am still holding out hope that one of the LBs can be dealt for a pick.
There really isn’t that much difference between Webster, Winborn or K-2, so moving one for a pick while we have depth at LB and making the move they get any older could have a good payoff. Surely there must be a team out there that needs LBs just like Seattle needed WRs.
Green probably doens’t have any trade value, and Woodyard and Larsen have too much potential to be dealt. Plus, they are doing a good job on ST.
by Arctic Bronco on
Sep 30, 2008 1:46 AM MDT
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