Same As It Ever Was
This league is so cyclical.
Denver's team is too. Denver hasn't seen a youth movement like it is seeing this season since the mid-eighties. In the early to mid-eighties (1983-1987) Denver was really good too but a lot of folks forget that because they were a young and wild team and didn't win a playoff game until 1986. With a truly young team, Denver won 9 games in 1983, 13 games in 1984, and 11 games in 1985. We all know how 1986 and 1987 turned out.
Denver is young and wild again. Denver's defense isn't a good unit...yet. They're not the worst unit in the game but they're not very good. They can improve. They have talent. They'll add talent in years to come. Oh, and one more thing, the defense isn't the scapegoat for the Chiefs loss. That falls squarely on the shoulders of 3 people:
1) Jay Cutler. 2) Brandon Marshall. 3) Eddie Royal.
They know it too. Truth is, they're shrugging it off. And they should. They're young. They are going to make mistakes. Nobody goes undefeated (except for the Pats but they ended up losing the one game that really counted). Marshall's fumble was bad and served up 7 points on a platter to the Chiefs. Marshall even admitted after the game that he should have been where Cutler threw his second interception, if not there for the reception but to knock the ball away from the defender. Royal's fumble wasn't as bad but killed any possibility of the offense getting into rhythm. The Denver receivers definitely found out that the rest of the league thinks they are careless with the ball. Turnovers lose games. Four in one game all but guarantee a loss.
Cutler played his Elway card on Sunday. He was erratic and more inaccurate than usual. But do you know why? It's because he felt like he had to win the game all by himself. Why wouldn't he feel that way? The defense wasn't going to win it. The running game wasn't going to suddenly dominate the line of scrimmage. Sound familiar? Ask John Elway if he felt like that when the mid 80's Broncos were young and wild.
Cutler forced passes. Even the TD pass to Marshall in the 2nd Quarter was forced. Cutler kept going to Marshall because Marshall makes plays and Denver needed a few. Truth is, Marshall did make a few plays but the Chiefs had two to three players around Marshall even when he was able to get open. When Cutler finally resigned himself to taking what the defense gave him, Denver was able to move the ball with short passes to Royal and Stokley. But it was too little, too late. Only a special teams miracle would have netted a win, but alas, Spence Larsen played defense in college for a reason: he can't catch.
Is it okay to simply shrug your shoulders over this loss? Yep. Sure is. First of all, it's just a game. Second of all, these guys are 25, 23, and 22. Elway threw LOTS of interceptions when he was 25 (He threw 23 INTs to 22 TDs). Thirdly, the defense will improve. Not to an elite level but to a serviceable level. Brandon Marshall is one of the best runners in the game after the catch. Yet there are at least a few times during the game when you cringe because he's carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. And Eddie Royal has played in four games in the NFL. That's it: four games.
They get the benefit of the doubt. They have three tough games upcoming. They could win all three. They might lose all three. But you can be sure of one thing: Cutler and his boys are learning on the job. Jay will learn that he needs to be more patient. It's going to take him a few more years, not a few more weeks, but he will progress. Marshall and Royal will learn to cover the ball up when they turn up field. Again though, it'll take years, not weeks. Be patient. It'll be worth it. It was in 1984.
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I was thinking the same thing. Personally I like this team better than anyone since 1998. There is at least 9 new starters (by position) on defense. It takes time to learn and adjust to a new defensive scheme. Shanny has even stated that. I know we all have high expectations. But this a young team, that played real rival in their stadium where historically Denver struggles. While I am not happy about the loss, I ma happy where this team is in relation to where it was last year. All I know there are better days ahead.
Love is a razor and I have walked the line on that silver blade
by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 30, 2008 11:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
For sure SD,
A lot of fans got off track when we were 3-0 looking too far off into the future.
What were the goals this year (IMO):
1) Get to the playoffs
2) Get better in all 3 phases
3) Close the gap with San Diego and the rest of the ‘elite’ teams
Well, I’d say that the team is accomplishing its goals. #2 needs work on D and ST, but overall we’ve accomplished what we’ve set out to do.
by super7 on Sep 30, 2008 11:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great fanpost
Recommended
… the title is one of my favorite Talking Heads songs.
by CoastalBronco on Sep 30, 2008 2:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The title
was why I hopped right on it. Here’s hoping we get “into the blue again.”
Just made similar points over at guru’s grades… Recommended!
by jonahsilas on Sep 30, 2008 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Once in a lifetime" -- first in Remain in Light (1980), also on Stop Making Sense
And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful
Wife
And you may ask yourself-well…how did I get here?
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the moneys gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.
And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that large automobile?
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful house!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful wife!
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the moneys gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.
Same as it ever was…same as it ever was…same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…same as it ever was…same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…same as it ever was…
Water dissolving…and water removing
There is water at the bottom of the ocean
Carry the water at the bottom of the ocean
Remove the water at the bottom of the ocean!
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/in the silent water
Under the rocks and stones/there is water underground.
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the moneys gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.
And you may ask yourself
What is that beautiful house?
And you may ask yourself
Where does that highway go?
And you may ask yourself
Am I right? …am I wrong?
And you may tell yourself
My god!…what have I done?
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/in the silent water
Under the rocks and stones/there is water underground.
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the moneys gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.
Same as it ever was…same as it ever was…same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…same as it ever was…same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…same as it ever was…
by Colinski on Oct 1, 2008 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once in a Lifetime
Thanks for the correction! great song…
by CoastalBronco on Oct 2, 2008 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
Good news is that this kind of team isn’t a “Once in a Lifetime” thing. I fully expect Denver to be “Burning Down the House” this weekend versus Tampa.
by super7 on Sep 30, 2008 3:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent post Super! Thanks.
That’s ok with me. We’re playing for wins, not media publicity....HT 9/11/08
by firstfan on Sep 30, 2008 4:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
A very Super great post Super!!
Thanks for slowing down my ‘right-now’ wants and reminding me what I really saw back in the 80’s instead of what I want to remember.
The best defense is a good offense!
I hope.
by Mike Clark on Sep 30, 2008 5:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL, great lyric of the 80’s to evoke memories of the Broncos in the 80’s. There’s water underground, same as it ever was…. This year will weed out bandwagon fans, and that’s as it should be. I just hope team management will have the same long view.
I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal
by tannji on Sep 30, 2008 5:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
"Stop Making Sense."
Yes, after one loss, chalked up to youth, and learning, too many people were singing,
“Take me to the River.”
by The Gun Young on Sep 30, 2008 6:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts exactly
we’re not there yet, but we are slowly getting there. this will be fun to watch in the meantime, though, and with a few breaks, who knows? i expect a good bounce-back game this sunday from the passing game
hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
taste my blintzkrieg!
by davecheffy on Oct 1, 2008 8:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I expect Cutler...
To be much more patient this week. Tampa plays the conservative Tampa-2 style that KC plays, so maybe Denver is looking at this as a “do-over game”. Cutler will need to take what the D gives him or go to the biggest mismatch, but Tampa has pretty good corners, so I expect Scheff and Stokley to get a combined 15 looks as well as the RB’s getting a combined 8-10 looks. I still think Jay will throw the WRs 15 to 20 times as wekk. That’s 33 to 40 passes if you’re counting, and sounds about right against a good run defense.
On defense, as long as we bottle up the run and don’t play zone, we’ll have a good day. The Bucs have WRs that are good vs a zone D but struggle physically versus man-to-man. I expect Bly to get picked on again, but I think Gruden will try to get the ball to his backs and tight ends, and then mix in a deep pass. I actually think this game is ripe for a multi-interception game for the Denver defense.
by super7 on Oct 1, 2008 8:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post!
I have been thinking of posting something like this post ever since the loss at KC. I’m glad I didnt, you said it far better than I could have.
by Papamag on Oct 1, 2008 7:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Beautifully written and poignant post
My outlook going into the season was the same – hoping to make the playoffs and be thrilled by a win once in. Obviously, my thoughts ran wild after the 3-0 start…but a game in KC is never remotely easy, and I was not that surprised by the outcome. I’m going to keep my outlook as is, and just enjoy seeing these youngsters become stars. It’s fun to watch, and I’m glad that I’m old enough to appreciate it all – Elway’s progression I didn’t get to see game-to-game, and I wasn’t a fan until The Drive. Cutler obviously will have growing pains, as will the rest of the guys. But with Shanahan at the helm, we should also appreciate that Cutler is moving a bit faster than Elway did.
Unfortunately, every team has to not only grow, but must suffer some gruesome defeats along the way. There will surely be playoff heartbreaks over the next several years…but that’s what it takes to win a championship. Our own Broncos showed us that…unfortunately the 80’s version never got over the hump, but the 90’s version did after the sky fell in ‘96. It’s the way in every sport, so just enjoy the ride!
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 2, 2008 9:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
well put, nyc
sometimes we lose sight of the entertainment value of this sport. the denver broncos are by far the most entertaining football team to watch, year in, year out. john elway was the most exciting player to ever lace ‘em up(and we’ve had many), and cutler is looking like a nice replacement there. i’ve been watching the broncos for many years now, every game, and i have to say there’s nobody even close. if i had a nickel for every time i said “did you see that!” at the sports bar, i get to see the other games each week when there is a break, and they bore the hell out of me. as maddening and frustrating it can be at times to watch, there is rarely a game that we can’t come back in, and no lead is ever safe. i’m either freaking out, or screaming holy s%$t on every single drive. everyone else is rarely moved, and honestly, i feel bad for them. i mean, that is the reason we watch, right?
hear me, perpetrators of bread crime, your punishment is at hand.
taste my blintzkrieg!
by davecheffy on Oct 2, 2008 8:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post
I need to add to your statement:
the defense isn’t the scapegoat for the Chiefs loss. That falls squarely on the shoulders of 3 people: 1) Jay Cutler. 2) Brandon Marshall. 3) Eddie Royal.
It really goes much deeper than that. Yes, these three made the mistakes that led to the turnovers and Denvers loss on the field. We know why they lost the game. Now lets look at why they didn’t win it.
I believe the didn’t win due to poor play calling. Where was the running game. They gave up to quickly. Why is Marshall taking the ball from the backfield?
Denver should have been able to run the ball on KC. They should have found the weaknesses and capitalized. The offensive game plan stunk and the Coaching is to truly blame for the loss, not just three players on the field.
"If Denver beats us, I'll walk back to Detroit" - Alex Karras
by Denver Diehard on Oct 3, 2008 4:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Denver wins that game easily if they have 3 turnovers as opposed to 4
Cutler had Scheffler wide open on his 2nd pick. If he throws to Scheffler and the Broncos pick up 30 yards and scored a FG or TD, they have a much higher chance of winning. ALso, if Marshall doesn’t fumble his rushing attempt, KC doesn’t score a TD.
That’s a 10+ point swing. Maybe 14.
by super7 on Oct 6, 2008 12:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Scheffler would have scored a TD on that play
If I remember correctly, he was streaking toward the end-zone with no one near him.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"I love your analysis of our team. Its kinda like watching a spider monkey trying to figure out a jar of peanuts.. you know whats going on.. you know whats in there, but to actually figure it out, is just a bit beyond your mental skills..."
- Bronco Dano
by DesertBroncoFan on Oct 6, 2008 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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