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MHR Chalk Talk -- Week 1 - Denver Broncos at Oakland Raiders

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IN DENVER BRONCO PRE-GAME ANALYSIS

 FROM MILEHIGHREPORT.COM

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How important is this game to the Broncos?  After all, this isn't a game against the Chargers for the title of AFC West best.  However, it is an important game in many, many ways.

  1. The winner is undefeated, the loser has to win two games in a row for a winning season.
  2. The game is a divisional pairing; crucial for playoff tie breaks.
  3. This is Monday Night Football; the big stage.  The confidence boost (or lag) could be a major factor going into the early season.

For Denver fans, it doesn't get any better than this.  Denver playing in the opening MNF game against the hated Raiders.  Let's break down the Xs and Os, and take a look at how these teams match up.

Read on...

Star-divide

Introduction

Denver is a team that struggled last year with injuries, an unusual system on defense, and (for Denver) uncharacteristic character problems.  They were coming off of a season that featured the murder of one up and coming star, the untimely death of another player (at a charity event, of all places), and a dramatic mid-season change in quarterbacks.

Denver tried the new defensive system, and went on a spending spree by bringing in big name talents.  The system was a failure, and fans were caught off guard by "me first" players.  The Mastermind, Head Coach Shanahan, learned from his mistakes quickly.  The new defensive coordinator become the former defensive coordinator, as did the general manager.  Many players were also shown the door.

Free agency and the draft focused on returning to what the Broncos had before the disaster of '07.  Character, character, character.  Free agents were signed at reasonable costs, and Denver went after players with a lot of potential who just didn't seem to fit where they were at.  Hungry players.  The draft didn't focus on critical positions and star names.  Instead, it focused on team depth and long term potential.

Did it work?  No one will know until the season gets going, but early signs look good.  Ryan Clady (1st round) will start at left tackle on Denver's historically elite offensive line.    Eddie Royal (2nd round), drafted as a punt returner and long term slot receiver prospect, looks to be the team's number 2 receiver behind star Brandon Marshall.  Rookie Ryan Torain (5th round) is out for six weeks with an injury, but looks to be the team's starting RB in the near future.  CB Jack Williams (4th round) looked good enough for the team to feel they could part ways with Dominique Foxworth.

Free agent pick ups include McCree and Manuel at safety, both of whom look like starters for Denver.  WRs Darell Jackson and Keary Colbert may have been a little upstaged by a rookie (Royal), but both bring credible depth.  All eyes will be on Boss Bailey (Strong LB) and DeWayne Robertson (DT) to gauge their value, and the battle at middle linebacker (between current 1st string Webster and challenger Niko K.) may last well into the season.

But the biggest key for Denver is QB Jay Cutler.  While outshining some historically great QBs in his first several games, Jay went on in his first full season to lose 33 pounds.  At the end of games he was weak and tired, but you wouldn't know it from his play.  After being diagnosed with Juvenile Diabetes, Jay has been able to adjust with diet, constant monitoring, and insulin injections.  Imagine an already solid young QB playing well with a disease, now being unleashed to play to his full potential.

Comes now the Raiders.  While only a 4-12 team in 2007, Oakland went on a spending spree (some would say beyond what their salary cap can endure in a couple of years) to prop up the team.  Ignoring woes on the defensive and offensive lines, the team went for flash with their highest pick, adding yet another RB to their stable.  In a strange twist of fate, they spent wildly to obtain former Bronco WR Walker (of the field with injuries the last two out of three years) who left his former two teams on bad terms and ten tried to retire during Oakland's training camp.  He now looks likely to sit out game one with an injury (hamstring).  As if that isn't enough of a delicious story, Oakland then went out and obtained the services of Ashley Lelie, who angrily demanded to be traded after finding he would have to play number two behind (you guessed it) Javon Walker in Denver.  Ah the Fates!  After Lelie failed terribly for two other teams, Lelie ends up, again, behind Walker, but now for a team that is far from the playoff picture.

There is little doubt however that oakland has talent across the team.  But team work remains problematic.  A big question mark will be the Raiders' own QB.  Jamarcus Russell's qualities should be a big arm and mobility.  But question marks were raised when he showed up to camp big in the gut.  Oakland also features a coach struggling to do what coaches do, namely, running a football team.  But in Oakland, head coaches don't get to run the team the way it should be run.  The team is micro-managed by owner Al Davis, who has seen his team dwelling in the basement more often than not in recent years.  SInce their last playoff appearance (2002), the Raiders are 19-61.

System Matchups

Denver's Offense versus Oakland's Defense

(Note: most of the technical terms you read here, including system names, can be found in the Mile High Report University series, which is featured at Milehighreport.com during the reloading season).

Denver will run the Zone Block running system (with the one cut runner variation), coupled with a West Coast Offense overall system for passing and philosophical approach.

Denver's offensive line runs the zone block scheme to perfection, and the runners are required to run single cuts to maximize the system.  Young and Hall are both speedy backs, but there are questions about how much punishment they can take (based on last year).  Pittman has power (and catching ability), but isn't the primary RB.  As mentioned earlier, rookie Ryan Torain (The Train) was projected to be the starter, but his power running style will have to wait until at least week six.  Rookie FB sensation Hillis will be the FB.

Denver will be missing #1 receiver Brandon Marshall due to a one game suspension, but will have solid depth to fall back on (perhaps the best WR depth in the team's history).  Add in TEs Graham, Sheffler, and Jackson, and there will be plenty of targets.

Oakland will counter with a Press and Force (man) system, which is made all the more entertaining because of defensive coordinator Rob Ryan's tweaks (varying players on the line, throwing in a rover, etc).  The press and force means that pressure is continuous, both on the line and against the receivers.  The line interchanges one and two gap approaches, and the cornerbacks almost always jam the receivers.  With the LBs and CBs in man coverage, there is little room for error, but a lot of pressure on the offense to make mistakes.  This doesn't mean a lot of blitzing though.  Ryan has blitzed in the past quite a bit, but last year played more conservatively.

Oakland features it's own elite talents at CB (Asomugha and D. Hall), and solid play at safety.

How does this play out?

Expect Denver to establish the run, but to throw a (very few) long passes early to keep Oakland honest.  One or even two deep (throw away) passes in the first drive should do it.  Denver will hit the gut early to attempt to wear down the offense, saving the outside runs for when the OLBs start cheating to the inside.  Cutler (who can run the bootleg and option plays well) may stay in the pocket more than usual, dropping back even five steps if Denver plays 3 receiver sets.  Most of Denver's passes will be mid to short range, with the receivers being set up for yards after the catch.  Denver will continue to use misdirection to allow runners to break for big plays or to allow Cutler the time to roll out to an uncovered WR.

Because of the skill level of the Oakland CBs, and missing a #1 starter, it might be a good move for the Broncos to run several 2 TE sets, with any of Denver's three top TEs being solid match ups against the Raider LBs (this can be used to brush back strong safety Gibril Wilson if he is creeping up to hinder Denver's run game).  If an Oakland LB can't handle the TEs, a safety (most likely Gibril) will have to take the job.

Also watch for some surprises from Hillis at FB, especially near the endzone.  He can catch screen passes, or bull ahead like a power RB.

Expect the Raiders to counter the zone block by calling more two gap assignments for the DTs.  Expect the CBs to press the WRs to throw off Cutler's timing.  Without Marshall, Oakland won't feel the need to double team WRs.  Oakland will hope to create pressure with the front four, but may have to send in a LB to blitz if Denver protects Cutler well enough.  If that becomes the case, Denver will counter by calling a screen to the now uncovered player (a RB, FB, or TE).  For that reason, it will be key for Cutler (or Nalen at center) to read the blitzes correctly to audible the play effectively.

System Matchups

Denver's Defense versus Oakland's Offense

Everything rides on Oakland QB Russell.  He has solid receivers (Walker may be out with a hamstring), but not the best protection.  Despite what may be too much weight coming into camp, Russell is quick on his feet, and can throw on the run.  He'll need his arm for Oakland's Vertical Pass scheme, which is coupled with a Zone Block run game.  Like Denver, the one cut variation is used, but not with the same frequency.  (Oakland falls between teams like Denver and Houston who use one cut, and other zone block teams that use regular runners).

There is no doubt that Oakland has talent and depth at RB.  They'll need it, because Russell faces Bailey and Bly at CB, and upgrades Manuel and McCree at safety.  Denver will also be returning to the (man) Show Blitz scheme of the (defensive coordinator) Larry Coyer days, with LBs up on scrimmage and a "shown" blitz on every play (everyone or no one).  Defensive Coordinator Slowik has a reputation for aggressive defense, and the players look forward to it.

This will play out with Denver using mostly one gap calls to plug running lanes or pressure the QB, with the LBs either joining for a blitz or backing off to play man coverage (Coyer used man for the "show", though it is usually a zone defense at the HS level where I coached defense).  The players to watch are (potential pro-bowler) DE Dumervil, a pass rush machine, and D. Robertson at DT, a player new to Denver and a question mark.  Denver's defense this season may be tied (in part) to DRob's play.

Oakland will (like Denver) fight to establish the run.  If Denver hasn't fixed their run defense woes from last season, Oakland can win on runs alone (almost).  If Denver is up to the task, Oakland has the choice between grinding the game out with occasional deep chances on passes, or allowing Russell to get away from game management and trying for multiple, intermediate passes.  This might not be the best game for Oakland to try that route.

Because Russell can scramble well, Denver should focus on collapsing the pocket from outside (not the middle) to keep him stationary.  Expect Bailey to play off coverage (his own personal quirk), while Bly sticks to his man.  Also, watch SS Manuel to see if he plays in the box.  If Denver can stop the run, he can play back a bit more (a good sign for Denver).  If he plays in the box all night, it is likely because Denver is having problems stopping the run (also a sign that Oakland may have the lead).

Overview

Oakland should try to keep the game close, wear down the Denver defense, and keep the ball on the ground.  Denver would love to engage the Raiders in a shoot out.  For this reason Denver needs to score early in an attempt to force the Raiders out of the run game.  Oakland needs to keep the Denver offense off the field so that they can weaken Denver's defense, and avoid taking chances with the pass.

Keys to the game -

Oakland Raiders

  1. Run the ball effectively
  2. Win on time of possession
  3. Limit penalties (a problem area for Oakland in the past)

Denver Broncos

  1. Effective Special Teams play (P, K, and coverage / field position)
  2. Limit turnovers
  3. Play with the lead

Player matchups

QB - Denver

FB - even

HB - even

WR - Denver

OL - Denver

TE - Denver

DE - Denver

DT - Oakland

LB - Oakland

CB - Denver

SAF - even

STs - Oakland

Coaching - Denver

Home Field This Game - Oakland

Conclusion

This game pits two teams against each other that had terrible years in '07.  Denver went 7-9 (one of Denver's worst years in decades) while Oakland went 4-12.  Both teams' fans expect better this year, and both teams' fans believe their team is far superior to the other.  The rest of the League's fans don't have either team on their radars.

This game, for the fans as well as the players, goes very far in building confidence for the season.  Expect the losing team's fans to crash with depression, thinking the season is over, while the winning fans expect a fantastic season.  Both extremes may be foolish, but that happens when two historicaly powerful teams that are rivals come off of a bad season, and face each other on a MNF game to start the season.

Right now I (a Broncos fan) see Denver as the better team.  However, I also believe that Oakland has the talent to beat Denver if Denver doesn't play at its best.  I think both fan bases are undervaluing the opposing team, and the game is hard to predict.  Denver has remade themselves with many new faces, but they've also gone back to their tried and true "original formula".  Oakland has spent money like mad (the Snyder / Redskins approach) to bring in game busters in the hopes that big names equal wins.

I expect that this game will be a game for the ages, but only for one set of fans.  :  )

Poll
Who will have the best game?
A Denver RB
40 votes
Denver's QB, TE, or Receiver
243 votes
A Denver Defensive Back
20 votes
A Denver Defensive Lineman
8 votes
A Denver Linebacker
10 votes
Oakland RB
216 votes
Oakland QB, TE, or Receiver
18 votes
Oakland Defensive Back
23 votes
Oakland Defensive Lineman
4 votes
Oakland Linebacker
8 votes

590 votes | Poll has closed

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Like many here...

I expect this to be Cutler’s show. I think McFadden will have a nice game, but I’m predicting the rookie puts the ball on the turf once, maybe twice, launching an improved season of takeaways for the Denver D.

by Broncs Cheer on Sep 4, 2008 12:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Is this right?
Free agency and the draft focused on returning to what the Broncos had before the disaster of ’08.

I think this should say, ‘07. Let’s not jinx anything!!!! lol

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 1:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks (fixed)

The ’08 disaster was not being in the playoffs in Jan ’08, but no, I just made a mistake. Thanks for the catch!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice write up HT....

Oakland Keys to the Game:
1. GO TO HELL!

I also agree that this game will be much tougher than both sides think it will be. Which is why I say 31-28. We win by virtue of turning the game into a shootout.

btw, only one other mistake I found:

WRs Darell Jackson and Darell Jackson may have been a little upstaged by a rookie (Royal), but both bring credible depth.

I only bring them to your attention because I know you value perfection as much, if not more, than I do. Overall, this post was el perfecto! ;)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 1:22 PM MDT reply actions  

Huh? What? Where?

I don’t see any mistake. (lol. Really, I’ve been waiting so long for this game and the series to return, I typed over from my rough draft in Word far faster than I should have. Thanks again!).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm glad to help...I'm sure you noticed my last post too. lol

I think we’ve all got the pre game jitters. LET"S GET THE SHOW ON THE ROAD BABY!

I wish there was a way to get on the website at the game and chat…oh well, I don’t think my Verizon phone can connect to all that many websites. I’ll try though. ;)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is what I've been waiting for.

A BIG recommend and thank you HT!

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2008 1:45 PM MDT reply actions  

I did the same....I wish it was Sunday afternoon instead of fargin Thursday!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks counsel!

I’m dying to see how it all comes out!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have a quick question for you HT...

Can you tell us how you think we’ll handle their running game? strictly your opinion, as unbiased as a Bronco fan can be. ;) I think the Raiders are gonna get stuffed and the league is going to realize this isn’t the same team it was a year ago…but thats my quite biased opinion. lol

I also have a feeling that we will pass more than run in this game. Sure the Raiders have good corners, but I think they will become vulnerable if our pass protection holds up well. What do you think?

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 1:47 PM MDT reply actions  

I know you didn't ask me...

…but for what it’s worth, I’ve got a feeling our tight ends are going to come up very big in this game.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2008 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I asked HT, but I certainly wouldn't mind hearing from everyone on this one.

I’d love if our TE come up big…I’ve got Scheffler on most of my fantasy teams anyway. ;)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree with TJ

I think the TEs play a major role. Great mismatches TE vs LB this game. Why mess so much with the WRs?

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Shanny mentioned

3 TE sets. I will be looking for some, and for who makes plays out of them. I was tempted to vote TE above for this reason, plus an overmatched fader LB corps.

by jonahsilas on Sep 4, 2008 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I saw that.

Three TEs were almost unheard of a few years ago. Denver, NE, and PITT have tried them out more than any other teams, but now Denver is even putting out in advance that they will run some sets. It certainly does seem to be getting more en vogue.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

The idea is

it creates at least one mismatch, no?

Great for thirds down, I’d think. And later, after they are scared of the pass after a completion or two out of the set. for run blocking as well. McNasty blocking out of the slot on a running play or screen seems not quite fair… but I like it!

by jonahsilas on Sep 4, 2008 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Run opportunities

I think it also keeps the defense off balance because of the opportunites to run behind three blocking tight ends.

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 4, 2008 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Points to both of you!

The idea behind the theory that the NFL will evolve into a three TE base offense is that it would be very difficult for defenses to stop the run with current base defenses, but attempts to meet the 3-TE formations with goal line looking formations wouldn’t be able to effectively stop the passes out of such a formation.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 5, 2008 5:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Really interesting trend

More TE’s puts more athletic size on the field, presumably increasing potential variations out of a formation – or at least usable and comfortable ones. The threat of the run becomes so dangerous, it could really open up the passing game, too. Will we someday see an NFL where the speedster WR is a specialist – like a nickelback?

Glad to see the Orange and Blue are on the forefront of the trend. I will be keeping my eyes open this season for other teams employing 3 TE sets.

To continue the conversation, HT, if the NFL is going that way, what do you think is the innovative defensive trend that will counter it? More “Big nickel” packages? More 3 – 4 D’s? Enlighten me oh wise one!

by jonahsilas on Sep 5, 2008 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

3 tight ends

Broncos are in a perfect position to do this, with Graham, Jackson, and Scheffler. With Marshall out this week, D. Jackson not having played much due to injury, Colbert lagging, and only Royal showing much at wide out this pre season, I expect the tight ends to have a big game Monday night.

while yet unspoken, you are master of the word. After it is spoken, the word is master of you.

by bradley on Sep 5, 2008 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the TEs getting some use!

That Shanahan even mentioned the three TE approach makes it a very real possibility that we’ll see even more of it this year!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 5, 2008 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I assumed

with Marshall out we would see a lot of TE action (and possibly get some clarity on the depth chart there…). And they did run Nate out on the flank and slot in camp.

But I didn’t really think we would see 3-TE sets until Shanny brought it up in the presser. How dangerous are we running 3-TE’s and Marshal in later gamesl? 4 guys who can cross the middle, and gain YAC. Sounds like a First Down to me….

by jonahsilas on Sep 5, 2008 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

The 3 TE...

…will almost always show a run, though the threat is the many pass plays that can be run. While it looks to folks like a redzone creature, the 3-TE is actually a full field formation. Note that its use last year was on our side of the field!

Scary, good stuff!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 5, 2008 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you didn't catch it before...

here’s the article I wrote on the three TE system movement.

There I wrote that I’m not sure of the best way to counter it. A lot of the talk about the 3-TE movement is centered around the difficulty of countering it, and I tend to believe that a new type of player profile would be required for defenses (a hybrid between a CB and a LB, perhaps).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 5, 2008 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the link

I totally missed it when you wrote it. Much appreciated for the lesson, as always.

I think the counter to the 3-TE set is… Wesley Woodyard! ;-)

Of course no other team in the division has three healthy legitimate TE threats, so not sure our D will have to contend with is so much.

by jonahsilas on Sep 5, 2008 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

with the problem being

that a defensive counter to the “magic-3” becomes a liability against the other teams in the league who don’t run magic-3….

It would pay to be one of the first to move down that road…

Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 5, 2008 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

And then shock 'em with conventional Ooffense

down the road a ways – after one of your (oft-injured) TE’s gets injured! (Not that this will happen this year)

by jonahsilas on Sep 5, 2008 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very much agreed!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 5, 2008 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Always the chess player styg!

Monday can’t get here fast enough.

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 5, 2008 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually...

PITT and NE both have legitimate threats at third TE. I expect PITT might be the first team to go this route (its what Cowher was moving towards), but maybe Tomlin will back off.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 5, 2008 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree Zappa

I think that we are going to kill them early and often in the air! After that happens, the running game is going to produce just enough to throw them off, and then here comes the killer pass again. I really don’t see this game being close. Perhaps I’m an eternal optomist or just a ravid fan, but, I think that Denvers passing attack will catch okland off guard, that is if they air it out early as HT suggests and they hit, instead of miss. I’m soo ready for this game!

by metalman5050 on Sep 4, 2008 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

ME TOO. 4 more days I will be tailgating with a bunch of fader fans and I know they'll

be talking crap the whole time…but I’ve already decided I am going to keep quiet and let them yap their asses off. Then when the Broncos win, I’ll descreetly take pictures of depressed fader fans and quietly walk out of the stadium and drive on home. I’ll gloat with class….and smarts because I have no desire to pick a fight with 10,000 angry drunk idiots.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or extreme unction (last rites)! : )

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Amen.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2008 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

No.

The company one keeps is not sinful in football. It is a venial sin to cheer for the raiders, and a mortal sin to cheer for the raiders and mean it. Under football cannonical law, it is a sin against the football spirit to be a raiders fan, but it is forgiveable. Only when a fan couples his lust for the raiders with blasphemy against the Broncos does one enter into a state of unforgivable sin. (Council of Denver, 1998)

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very good HT!

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2008 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I learned the law at your feet counsel.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that,

but from the looks of the thread below it appears you may have spent some time in a divinity school (talk about a straight line) lol.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2008 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I took an awful lot of philosophy courses.

Would have majored there if I thought it would get me a job.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

You could always open up

a little philosophy shop of your own.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2008 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's the middle of the afternoon here in Colorado.

I really ought to be doing some professor stuff, but this is great fun!

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2008 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

If that is the case

I think I’ll hang out with broncfanstuckinsd’s avatar.

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 4, 2008 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Proof that Bronco fans...

…are the smartest fans on the planet.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2008 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not when the fan is your blood brother...

I am the only Bronco fan in my family. I cant just disown people I care about based on their fandom. I’ve never had that luxury. :P

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Orange Bronco blood

is far thicker than that DNA laden soup coursing through the veins of siblings. We on the MHR are your true brothers and sisters.

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 4, 2008 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

We will pray for your family,

that they may come to know the enternal bliss that is Brocomania.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2008 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

This thread

has developed a decidedly religious overtone. As for Zappa’s family, all I can say is “Father forgive them for they know not what they do”

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 4, 2008 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great minds think alike...

..even down to the second of the post (exactly the same)!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

"John Elway.....

…Forgive Zappa’s brother. He knows not what he does."

John Elway (in the Book of John [Elway]) seems to indicate that there is a connection between “intent” and the seriousness of the sin. Because Zappa’s brother has the mind of a five year old (when it comes to football), he is not guilty of the sin at a mortal level.

Prayers are effacious, and prayers for Zappa’s brother will not go unheard.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't recognize

that quote came from the Book of Elway. I need to go back to prayer and meditation until kickoff.

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 4, 2008 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think

my fantasy football quote should be added back to your sig until after we beat the snot out of the raiders. Best of luck in oakland. Keep a low profile!

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 4, 2008 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

my bro has my back...he is in the police academy and has a conceal weapons permit, so

at least I can represent my colors in the parking lot. I’ll go incognito once we enter the stadium. and i wont be going to the restrooms.

That, my friends, is why true blood outweights all. I will go in there confident know that if some a-hole stabs me in the parking lot, I can go down knowing he’ll take a .45 in the knee cap. lol eye for an eye biatch!!!

lol, in all seriousness, I can’t wait for Monday to get here…I will post all the pictures I can as soon as I get back. ;) I’ve already gotten several emails from fader fans over at SABP who are inviting me to come tailgate with them that afternoon. Not all of them are jerks…just most of ’em. lmao

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really - no colors?

Gosh, I’ve always stayed away from the Coliseum on gameday precisely cause I was unwilling to wear a plain black t-shirt to the game. I figgered you were the brave one while I whimpered back in SF.

The coliseum bathrooms are dangerous at all times – those troughs could kill a man. Add in deranged hater types, and you are wise to stay away.

I understand your position, but lament it. I wanted you to not get killed to prove it can be done. Next year we roll together in orange ball caps?

by jonahsilas on Sep 4, 2008 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

naw, I will wear white, "Bronco" white. lol

I am considering wearing my orange “Berretta” hat, but I just don’t feel like dealing with a-holes throwing beer, peanuts, and hotdog sauce on my backside.

I spent alot of money for these tickets and I just want to enjoy the game with my brother.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Like I said I just wanted some other sap to try it before I did. ;-) I totally respect your right to see the game as you wish.

If you had as big a mouth as me it really wouldn’t matter as everyone within 100 feet would know your allegiances within a quarter of play.

With the numbers of CA based fans around here, next year we should buy a block of tickets and go to the game in a glorious array of orange and blue.

If it helps, I know one of the guys in Coliseum security, and we could try to get seats near his station….

by jonahsilas on Sep 4, 2008 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

i have the same fear....

i dont like to keep my mouth shut.

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

some ideas

constant beer inhalation?
duct tape?
sign language?

by jonahsilas on Sep 4, 2008 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

i will practice zen screaming...

where outwardly i do not make any movements, but inwardly i am screaming like a banshee

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 5, 2008 7:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

trippy

man. i mostly practice that at work, or when disagreeing with the wifey. ;-)

i’ll be across the bay screaming my head off, and will try to channel your inner cyclone.

i will also have a cold prohibition on tap for you, since you will be stuck with the worst and slowest concessioneers in the world selling overpriced beers. Look for the Pyramid stand (if open) for a nice nitro IPA or Kolsch.

by jonahsilas on Sep 5, 2008 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll be bringing my own booze and drinking it in the hours before the game.

I will stay sober during the game since I hate people in general, and I also hate lines of people even more. I am an anti-socialite in real life as opposed to my jabbering nonsense self on MHR. ;)

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 5, 2008 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gosh

ya come off so personable around here. Guess that Orange and Blue kool-aid’s got something good in it!

Enjoy, man.

by jonahsilas on Sep 5, 2008 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I exaggerate of course....

i do hate waiting though. that might be a Bronco thing as well….waiting 38 years for a Championship would make one impatient. Though I only had to wait 20 years…since i was born in 78

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 5, 2008 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well Zappa

at least you will be the only one smiling after the game

by weazel on Sep 4, 2008 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

thats the plan!

:-D

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

HT the Canon Bronco Lawyer

fader nation is a conquered nation

"Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!"

The creator of the following names: conquered fader nation, Phyllis and his merry men

by mdierk on Sep 4, 2008 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

So just what is the role of the staff if we are a "religion"?

fader nation is a conquered nation

"Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!"

The creator of the following names: conquered fader nation, Phyllis and his merry men

by mdierk on Sep 4, 2008 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd like to be GW Bush. I'll fight all the holy wars to protect the Denver Broncos from a world of hate.

And speak to God directly about my wars on those who hate freedom and liberty. I shall crush all of the enemies who doubt the greatness of the Broncos. They hate the Broncos because they fear truth, liberty, freedom, and the emblem! Death to traitorous infidels, err evil doers, who wish to destroy the great Bronco empire, err democracy!

Ok, I’m not very good at satire today…I tried. I’ll be Reverend Wright. No, no, no, not God bless the Raiders, GOD DAMNNN THE RAIDERS!

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't go as far as Zappa.

I would just continue to be a lay leader in the Bronco Church, encouraging and supporting other Bronco followers. I think Zappa might be the one issuing the jihad fatwahs against the raiders.

Mdierk would continue to run the Bronco Church media services, Guru would be Pope (Guru 1), and Styg would be an Arch Bishop. (No cardinals in the Broncos church; Cardinals are for the Arizona apostates).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just my opinion...

…since I don’t have a crystal ball.

1) I think the raiders will try very hard to run the ball. In the article I explained that they want to slow the pace of the game. I think they want to keep Jay off of the field, and they don’t trust their passing game (recent comments from Kiffen). I also think they value their runners. Denver’s run defense should be MUCH improved, but I’m not yet convinced it is going to be perfect this early in the season. I think the raiders will do a good job running the ball, but it won’t be a slaughter either.

2) I think we’ll handle the running game by plugging gaps with “one gap” DLs, and taking what gets through with the LBs. I think we start with a SS in the box early, and only back him out if we shut down the run game (which we won’t). I expect the raiders to break 1 to 3 runs over 20 yards (which is bad), but I don’t expect their passing game to take off at all.

3) I think that we will try to pass early to gain a lead. At that point, I expect us to run heavily. I know the pass game looks like fun right now, but the raiders do have an excellent secondary and we are without our top receiver (despite excellent depth). To make up for this, I expect us to use mismatches between our TEs and their LBs.

4) Ryan ran a more conservative defense last year, but I think he will blitz more this game. I think our pass protection will be spotty at first (inexperience against a pretty decent DL). However, Cutler will scramble a bit and do fine. I expect a couple of first game INTs for both QBs, but Cutler should also get us into the endzone more than JM. I also expect some fumbles in the first game of the season (and rookies are playing in their first MNF game too). Denver will be blitzing MUCH more than in the past, and I expect the raiders to have more penalties and turnovers as a result.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fader OL?

I voted DL above b/c I think the Oakland OL is weak, especially at tackle. I think any of our DE’s have a chance against Harris or Green. Gallery is a joke as well.

I anticipate tough passing downs for Oaktown as you do. But do you really think their OL will be able to create holes for their talented stable of runners? Especially with virtually no chance of Russell having a lot of time to throw to setup the run with the pass? I see a lot of short runs – moving the chains some, but ultimately failing against 8 in the box.

Great work, as usual, HT!

by jonahsilas on Sep 4, 2008 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's easy to underestimate oakland's OL.

I agree that there are some major holes in the oakland OL structure. But there are at least two points that give me pause:

1 – oakland is still in the early stages of building up the zone block system. It is reasonable to assume it will improve each year.

2 – Unlike Denver, oakland is not as dedicated to the one cut variation. One cuts are not used on every running down anyway, but Denver uses it almost every time the OL runs a ZB (as opposed to a regular man block). Some teams that ZB may not one cut much at all. oakland is somewhere in the middle (I think I mentioned this in the article). WIth decent runners like Fargas and McFadden, oakland has the option to try different things if something isn’t working. oakland has more star power at RB than we have at LB (excepting DJ WIlliams, but he’s on the weak side). This game will be a good test for our run defense.

On the other hand, I expect our DL and LBs to have a pretty good time in pass rushing and blitzing. That’s where I expect the oakland OL to suffer some.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good points all around

and well taken. True enough about the ZB system “growing up” and the versatility is something I didn’t anticipate at all (perhaps from watching so much B-roncs running).

But being in the Bay Area I definitely have seen a lot of Kwame Harris and Gallery getting worked over… Harris not even on the left side in SF. That side seems highly suspect personnel wise if not scheme-wise. Out athleticism at end at least should, as you note, give us a shot in the pass rush and blitz.

by jonahsilas on Sep 4, 2008 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right.

And that’s where the “holes” come in I was talking about. oakland’s weakness is on both sides of the trench, and that’s where the game (and each play) starts. While they can make adjustments to the run game from play to play, I think it will be much harder for them to make adjustments to pass protection. Their are many things an offense can do to adjust for pass protection, but not as much when you have some weak links on the OL. I expect that JM will do some scrambling.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 5, 2008 5:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Excited to see

the scrambling, and inevitable takedowns that come with it. I feel like JM will have happy feet by the end of this one…

I will be watching that left side of the fader line closely, if only to see Harris get blown up by DOOM/Moss/etc. I will be interested to see how they scheme to deal with the pass rush. Even though Davis seems to think those two are quality starters, Kiffin must know better… Adjust or die!?

Thanks for indulging my amateur ponderings, HT.

by jonahsilas on Sep 5, 2008 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent,excellent analysis HT

and I particularly enjoyed the above opinion comment. I think our linebackers will handle the run nicely and from what I could tell at the practices I saw I think Dewane Robertson will hold the middle nicely. Since we let McKinley go I think we may see Nic Clemons lined up in that one gap lineup you reference. Thanks again for the great analysis!

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 4, 2008 3:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Thank YOU Firstfan,

First, for being you, and second, for bringing your warface to the big game week!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Love the warface!

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2008 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

The sense of humor

on this site is awsome!

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 4, 2008 3:20 PM MDT reply actions  

We can laugh today my friend...

…for tomorow (or at least Monday Night) we go to war.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 4, 2008 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Absolutely!

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 4, 2008 3:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Bring it on!

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2008 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great breakdown HT,

I will keep that in mind when watching the game.

Nothing gets better than to go against the hated Raiders on primetime to open the season…….well, other than a win of course. :)

by weazel on Sep 4, 2008 4:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Anyone else notice that 31 raider fans have voted in HT's poll thus far? heh

If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08

I got a high ankle sprain in college and it still hurts! ~ TSG 8/13/08

by Tim Lynch on Sep 4, 2008 4:28 PM MDT reply actions  

and that they know

that the only thing they got is rb’s?

by jonahsilas on Sep 4, 2008 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

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