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DeAngelo Hall?

I need some help from you guys.  Now, I freely admit I'm not really football-savy.  So can somebody out there who is explain something to me?   Many "experts" are saying the Falcons did a good thing to get rid of DeAngelo Hall.  Just as many, some of them the same "experts", are saying the Raiders did a good thing by picking him up.  How does that work? 

Or did I just totally miss the boat on this?

Again.

 

 

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My Take....

First, I think you get the split in opinion because some of these “experts”, usually the ones that haven’t played the game, look purely at talent. Hall is talented. The other side, many times former players, look at attitude and effort. What a guy does in the locker room, etc. In that case, Hall is a mess.

When Atlanta was good, Hall played at a high level and looked like he was going to be a great player. When things went south last season, so did Hall and so did his attitude. Think of Randy Moss, there is no doubting his talent, when things are going well, when things start to go sour, well….

Hall has all the tools, but if the Raiders start to play poorly, his bad attitude will get the best of him.

-TSG

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by JohnnyB(TSG) on Sep 5, 2008 9:40 AM MDT   0 recs

I'll try to help.

He was fed up with the Falcons and wanted out. It would’ve been a distraction for a team that is trying to rebuild. It would not be good to have a disgruntled player around your young team. So that is why it was a good move for the Falcon’s. As far as the Raiders go he is a pro bowler and an up and coming corner back in the league and plays well in man coverage. The Raiders like to play straight man with their corners and he is a definate upgrade compared to what we had last year.

by Raider76 on Sep 5, 2008 9:46 AM MDT   0 recs

Plays well in man coverage?

I believe that’s why ocho cinco calls him DeAngelo “Fall”.

Michael Fabiano really knows nothing about football outside of regression analysis and stat extrapolation. If it doesn’t have to do with fantasy football, his opinion is worthless.

by kwool79 on Sep 5, 2008 11:06 AM MDT to parent up   1 recs

Chad Johnson

has a name for everybody so I wouldn’t take him seriously. The Bengals don’t even take him seriously.

by Raider76 on Sep 5, 2008 11:16 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Remember

His name is now Chad Javon Ocho Cinco. Really. It is. The NFL is even “letting” him wear it on his jersey (as if they disallow someone else to wear their legal name on their jersey?)

by poorboywilly on Sep 5, 2008 11:31 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I just can't

bring myself to call him that.

by Raider76 on Sep 5, 2008 12:29 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

What a bozo.

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 5, 2008 1:09 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the only person he doesn't have a nickname for

is Rashean Mathis. When he was keeping a tally of “wins and loses” against opposing corners a couple years ago Rashean was the only one who “beat” him.

As for Hall, he’s immensely talented but prone to some mental mistakes. He got really fed up with Atlanta, mainly over the Petrino disaster, didn’t mesh with Mike Smith and earned himself a ticket out of town. In that sense he was addition by subtraction for the Falcons.

by RaiderPete on Sep 5, 2008 6:18 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks to both of you.

It’s especially enlightening to get the opinion from the Oakland point of view. I hope he works out for you, Raider 76. Just not those two times a year. I hope you understand.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 5, 2008 10:02 AM MDT   0 recs

I aggree with TSG and Raider76

The one issue with Hall is attitude, I think with a strong coach he does fine, but he has some prima-dona in him, and I think the Falcons probably could of kept him they would have been a better team but it may have been a bigger risk with a new coach and somewhat of a “fresh” begining in Atlanta to keep someone like him on their team. As for the Raiders, he fits the mold of a good man to man corner, but it remains to be seen how he will react if the teams plays poorly, and without much structure in Oakland as far as who really calls the shots, then there could be some bigger issues down the line.

"How do the berries taste Ralph?" Bart Simpson
"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
Broncoman

by Broncoman on Sep 5, 2008 10:20 AM MDT   0 recs

Good for the Falcons, Bad for the Raiders

I agree with TSG when he compared Hall to Moss. While there are measurables that can be seen on the field: speed, quickness, strength, etc; there are many things that cannot be seen that happen in the locker room and sideline.

Think of it in terms of a video game: in Madden 09, Hall is probably a god; but in real life his ego gets in the way.

I think it was a great move for the Falcons as it does get in the way of a rebuilding franchise. It can also get in the way of a new head coach – many times they want to start their tenure with as little baggage as possible from the previous season.

This is where I disagree with Raider76; I think it was a horrible move for the Raiders. Granted, Hall excels at playing man-to-man which is the Raiders’ M.O. However, I think that they had a pretty solid secondary already with Washington and Asomough and while Hall is definately better than Washington, Washington is no scrub. There are many other things that the corpse could have done such as trying to pick up a quality F.A DT (there were a few available), or putting their sights on Glen Dorsey instead of McFadden.

I predict that Hall will be like Moss for the Raiders. No one is denying his play ability but his ego will compromise his ability when the Raiders struggle for a couple years which they will.

I hear and I forget; I see and I remember; I do and I understand - Confucius

by nickt84 on Sep 5, 2008 11:15 AM MDT   0 recs

hall is overrated

I remember when he claimed TO spat on in in 06, before that game he was talking mad smack, and got abused by TO. Sure a lot of CB’s do. But he writes checks his talent cant cash. He is not as good as he thinks he is. Plus he has an attitude and lets too many WR’s get into his kitchen. Ask Steve Smith last year, when the Falcons were gonna win he gets back to back unsportsman like penalties and that puts the Panthers into range to win it, and they do with a David Carr TD pass, yes David Carr. I would rather have Bly over Hall. Thats saying something on my part. Becuase most of you know how I feel about Bly.

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 5, 2008 11:24 AM MDT   0 recs

TO says he didnt

Its all who you believe. Regardless he is still someone who lets people into his kitchen

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 6, 2008 11:38 AM MDT to parent up   0 recs

They have video

it’s not a matter of believing, I’ve seen TO spit on him.

by RaiderPete on Sep 6, 2008 1:24 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Spitting is nasty business.

I think it was one of the final straws in getting rid of Romo. Didn’t take long for the raiders to get him.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Sep 6, 2008 5:07 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

You mean Hall, not Romo right?

And Hall was spit on, he didn’t do the spitting. Hall has done a lot of stupid stuff, I’m not sure why you guys are trying to turn TO spitting on Hall into some kind of black mark on him. You don’t need to make up character defects for the guy, he’s got enough.

by RaiderPete on Sep 6, 2008 5:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

No

Old Romanowski honked a slimey liugey (sp) on some offensive player. I don’t recall the team or the year, but it was shortly aftyer that he left for oakland.

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 6, 2008 6:01 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

No

In 1997 Romonowski spit in the face of JJ Stokes of the niners on MNF. About 3 seasons later Shanny let him go and the faders signed him. Then of course another good signing by Davis and Romo busted up the eye socket of Marcus Williams. Steriods make you do dumb things

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 6, 2008 6:02 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

bfsisd has a much better memory than I

Not to mention a much more attractive avatar.

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 6, 2008 6:04 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

But

great minds think alike FF!

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 6, 2008 6:07 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

And thar's all were looking ar right?...

…the great minds, not the beautiful avatars?

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 8, 2008 1:03 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm with everyone else.

I think Hall is at once both a supreme CB and a lousy player.

When he plays to his level of talent he is easily a top five CB. In fact, I’ll even go so far as to say his admirers undervalue him! But his attitude can be a drag on his team, which overshadows his worth greatly. His play doesn’t always measure up to his ability either.

All in all, I think the raiders made the right move. Character and team work issues have been a long time problem in oakland, and Hall’s issues won’t contribute anything more there. He is a net gain for oakland, and I expect him to help the raiders secondary a lot.

Atlanta is building from the ground floor up (from a weaker position than even an expansion team), and needs all the funds and youth they can garner. The vets they need have to have good leadership skills, and lead by example. While an excellent CB, Hall doesn’t fit the picture for ATL. This was a great move for both teams.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Sep 5, 2008 1:38 PM MDT   0 recs

Thank you all. I've learned a lot.

And I think I’m going to be watching the match-ups more closely. But I still think this is going to come down to how well our TE’s and RB’s do against their LB’s.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 5, 2008 2:51 PM MDT   0 recs

I just

wish Marshall would have played in this game. With that arrogant no talent scrub Hall would have insisted on being matched up against him. #15 would have ruined him. I guess we will have to wait until the return match

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 5, 2008 3:08 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Marshall is being Marshall.

I like that he isn’t playing. He’s all about being injured and wanting to retire and not wanting to compete with other receivers on his team for playing time.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Sep 5, 2008 3:37 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Marshall?

Did you mean Walker, or did I just walk into a slightly diffent reality, HT?

Atwater for the Hall!

by broncobear on Sep 5, 2008 3:47 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

This is what days and nights of sleep deprivation do to a guy.

I have 5 of the next 8 days off thank God. I’ve been making silly errors like this for the past week. I’m hurting!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Sep 5, 2008 5:15 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

i was avoiding commenting

because I thought I just didnt understand what you said. =) I didnt wanna look foolish. thats what the fader fans are for. =)

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 5, 2008 5:27 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, man

Atwater for the Hall!

by broncobear on Sep 5, 2008 5:37 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought HT must have got into Zappa's kool-aid.

On the other hand, moldy faders stink….styg50 Sept.1, 2008

by firstfan on Sep 5, 2008 7:49 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

when,

are the raiders going to figure out that a bunch of me-first high draft-picks and flashy numbers-guys doesn’t equate to wins? when? character, i don’t think al likes the trait. intangibles, never heard of them. super bowl mvp? gotta have that guy, he’s the best! al, it’s not the coaches, you’ve been thru a bunch. let the hc pick the players, ass. coaches, and systems, and the wins will increase automatically. build something. who doesn’t know this? it’s like trying to explain simple math to an infant. long live al!

by davecheffy on Sep 5, 2008 3:24 PM MDT   0 recs

SHHHHHH!

Don’t let Al know what he’s doing wrong! : )

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Sep 5, 2008 3:38 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Al is contrary.

The more people say he’s doing it wrong, the more he’s going to try to do it, just to prove them wrong, a good thing for the Broncos.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 8, 2008 12:59 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes Al

loves the flashy draft picks and fast guys but you can’t say he doesn’t care about character. He likes those guys just as much. Nnamdi, Morrison, Russell, Burgess (I can go on) are all high character guys. Al will grab a bad guy every once in a while because he wants to bring that swagger back to the Raiders and Hall definately has that swagger. You are right Al doesn’t let his coaches have too much control but I think trust is the main factor. Al get’s these great young coaches but doesn’t feel comfortable letting go. The only coach in recent years who he respected and let take control was Art Shell (and you know how that season went). After the Shell debacle he wasn’t going to let the coaches have too much say. Not say I agree with it but that is my perspective on Al.

by Raider76 on Sep 5, 2008 4:48 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

oh, and

deangelo hall is a gifted cb, that already knows how to lose and will continue to contribute to that end. i wouldn’t take him for free. seriously, he is a cancer. yes, the raiders are full of them, but adding another is not helping the cause(see dallas cowboys-pacman jones). the bottom line is winning, and he just doesn’t get it. they need team leaders more than anything right now, including a pro-bowl cb with an attitude. he’ll play well, but the team is still going nowhere. is that the desired impact?

by davecheffy on Sep 5, 2008 3:34 PM MDT   0 recs

Gibril has stepped up

and challenged Morrison to be the team leader on defense. Nnamdi is more of a silent leader on the field.

by Raider76 on Sep 5, 2008 4:50 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

Good for Gibril

Seriously. He could bring some function to this team if they let him – you’ve got some good guys over there.

I know, I’m a Broncos fan. But, I’m a football guy.

Atwater for the Hall!

by broncobear on Sep 5, 2008 5:40 PM MDT   0 recs

I hope De Angelo Hall talks smack on Eddie Royal.....

Look, I have read all the press, the reviews, the scouting reports….I think Hall is an above average CB with way too much hype. Can he play? Sure. Is he in the class of a Champ Bailey or Asomoghu? Not a chance.
I am going to laugh when he tries to get in Eddie Royal’s head and Fast Eddie continues to burn him. Deangelo Hall bites on a lot of stuff, and this may play into Jay Cutler and Eddie Royal’s hands.
Great post by the Raiders fans on here….much appreciated….and I love hearing from knowledgable fans from other teams.
I wsih the Raiders luck this year, but my biggest worry with their team is the cameraderie and team spirit. It seems to be sorely lacking, and, unfortunately, they have some guys on that roster who attitudes go south in a hurry if things go bad.
This is a big game for the Raiders. If they win, they are set up for a good season, but if they lose to their arch enemy the Broncos, then there will be some big grumblings from fans, organization people and players.
The Broncos can almost put the final nail in the Raiders coffin with a decisive win.
I know it is only week 1, but this is HUGE for both clubs….but a season setter for the Raiders.
A Champion Team always beats a team of Champions, and I am betting that the Broncos have a Champion Team in the making.
Looking forward to it.
Werd!

by boydy2669 on Sep 6, 2008 8:10 AM MDT   0 recs

My take on this--the experts hate us

they’re reading from a tele-prompter—and they hate us.

Broncos broncos everywhere and all the league did blink,
Broncos broncos everywhere think moldy faiders stink!

by Mike Clark on Sep 6, 2008 8:37 PM MDT   0 recs

how fun

Broncos broncos everywhere and all the league did blink,
Broncos broncos everywhere think moldy faiders stink!

by Mike Clark on Sep 6, 2008 8:38 PM MDT to parent up   0 recs

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