Denver Broncos @ Oakland Raiders - Making The Grade
by John Bena on Sep 9, 2008 10:12 AM MDT
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One last look at the Raiders game before moving full throttle to Week 2's Home Opener against the Chargers. We'll talk much more about that, but another new feature here at MHR is "Making The Grade" where I will grade the Broncos performance from the night before. I will also provide the numbers for the team leader in that particular category. While it should be a lot of fun to look back, I will turn a critical eye on the Broncos performance, because the Broncos are going to have to beat teams that are alot better than the Oakland Raiders if they are really going to take that next step.
| QUARTERBACK | |
A |
Prior to the game I talked about Cutlers struggles against the Raiders in 2007. He has just 1 TD pass compared to 4 INTs and the Raiders' pressure seemed to get under Cutler's skin. Not this time. Cutler looked poised and confident. He also knew exactly where to go with the football and has a complete grasp of the offensive game plan. His number could have been even better(hard to believe) if Tony Scheffler hadn't dropped a sure TD, or if Cutler's mechanics hadn't let him down. His consistency level, especially drive to drive, was alot better than in 2007. Cutler was much more of a streaky QB last year, last night he was a consistent quarterback. Regardless of the reason, Jay played great, and great quarterbacks can elevate mediocre talent. A solid A for Cutler. |
| RUNNING BACK | |
A- |
Forget the 2-running back system, the Broncos went with the 5 headed monster. Not counting Cutler, five different Broncos(4 RBs) had carries against the Raiders, with Andre Hall and Selvin Young each averaging over 5 yards per carry. Combined, Hall and Young had 97 yards on 17 carries(5.7 ypc) and Michael Pittman proved to be the short yardage and goal line back, scoring 2 TDs. I liked the job Peyton Hillis did in the run game, specifically blocking, and the backs overall did a nice job chipping pass rushers and giving Jay Cutler time to throw. I think we got a good look at how the Broncos are going to handle things, at least until Ryan Torain returns, and after one game I can't say I mind too much |
| WIDE RECEIVER | |
A+ |
A big concern of mine heading into the Oakland game was Cutler's habit of locking in on one receiver, rarely looking off. Last season that receiver was Brandon Marshall and I was concerned about what would happen without Marshall in the lineup. Cutler's answer? How about Eddie Royal, who's debut ranks right up there with any Bronco player ever. Yes, Cutler did lock in on Royal, with 9 of his 16 completions going to the former Hokie, but other receivers, when given the opportunity, made plays as well. Darrell Jackson had a huge TD reception and Brandon Stokely made a nice catch on a 3rd down play on the initial scoring drive. For a group playing without it's best weapon, the WR corps was simply awesome. |
| TIGHT END | |
B+ |
The Tight Ends were used primarily as blockers, helping out the youth on the offensive line, but the one big catch of the night, Tony Scheffler's long catch and run, came at a big time moment in the game, after the Raiders appeared to be on the verge of tying the game at 7 and fumbled the ball. On the down-side, Scheffler had a sure TD reception bounce off his chest in the end-zone, a catch he'll need to make against better competition. As for Daniel Graham, his main role was to help in pass protection and the run game, and the best blocking tight end in football did his job, even if the casual fan doesn't see or appreciate it. A dropped TD, however, is an automatic loss of one grade, so a solid B+ for the Tight Ends. |
| OFFENSIVE LINE | |
A+ |
Jay Cutler has yet to get sacked in 2008, and what was thought of by many as a potential liability to the Broncos is quickly becoming a major strength. The Raiders do a decent job of rushing the passer, but I didn't hear the name Derrick Burgess or Gerard Warren all night. Ryan Clady is going to be an absolute stud, and it's going to be fun watching he and Browns LT Joe Thomas alternate Pro Bowl appearances. On the other side, Ryan Harris is quickly becoming the player the Broncos thought they were getting in the '07 draft. Think about that for a second. Name another team in all of football that has bookends like Harris and Clady that are in their 2nd and 1st year respectively. There isn't one. Add Chris Kuper, and the Broncos have a solid core on the O-Line to build from. Oh, and Tom Nalen is likely to begin practicing this week. Zero sacks, 300 yards passing and 150 yards rushing is Broncos football. It all starts up front. |
| DEFENSIVE LINE | |
B |
While Engelberger led the D-Line in tackles, the group as a unit did a nice job, both against the run and pass. In a game that is hard to judge defensively because the Raiders were in catch-up mode for most of the night, the Broncos still didn't get brunerd on the ground until the game was well in hand. After 3 quarters, the Raiders had only 199 total yards of offense. I liked the rush being supplied by the front four, lead by Elvis Dumervil of course, but also provided by Kenny Peterson and Ebenzer Ekuban. Yes, the Raiders O-Line is put together with duct tape, bubble gum and toothpicks, but they are still pros and they still dominated the Broncos last season. The D-Line is still a work in progress, but after the 1st Raider drive of the game showed that there is a light a tthe end of the tunnel. |
| LINEBACKER | |
B |
After a bit of a rough beginning, I thought Jamie Winborn, Nate Webster and D.J. Williams did a nice job, flying around the field, making plays and being disruptive to a clueless Raiders offense. The Broncos pulled the wool over everyone's eyes by sitting Boss Bailey for the night, and early on it appeared the over-agressiveness that has plagued Jamie Winborn his entire career would rear it's ugly head again. After the first possession, however, I thought Winborn played solid, and I was very impressed with Webster, who rarely found himself out of position. D.J. looked right at home on the Weakside, and his hustle sack was nice to see. This unit will be stronger with Bailey, but played well overall. Nate Helmet Count = 1 |
| DEFENSIVE BACKS | |
B |
A game like last night usually gets sloppy for the team with the big lead, and last night was no exception. For 3 quarters, the Broncos DB's played at an A level before stumbling a bit late. A loss of a grade beacuse of a 4th quarter let down in a blowout? You bet. Remember what The Quest is for me. 60 minutes of solid effort every week, no matter what the score. The Broncos effort dropped a bit, though I really can't blame them. Overall, I was very happy with the Safety tandem of Marlon McCree and Marquand Manuel and feel even stronger that this group is MUCH better than the duo the Broncos lined up last year(Lynch and Abdullah). Champ was Champ, while I though Bly had a decent game until he was juked out of his jock by Ronald Curry on the Raiders' second TD. Overall a nice job against lackluster talent. |
| SPECIAL TEAMS | |
B |
Subtract the first kickoff return by the Raiders, and the Broncos special teams add a nice evening. Matt Prater was 2/2 in FG opportunites and while his kicks didn't fly out of the stadium, he was able to keep Raiders' returners from breaking loose after his initial kick. For the game, the Raiders received 8 kick-offs, and even with that first return their average starting position was the 25 yard line. I thought Brett Kern had a solid debut, and again, minus one return the coverage teams did a good job. One suggestion, let's remove Eddie Royal from the return game now! |
| COACHING | |
A+ |
Mike Shanahan was back to his "Mastermind" ways, throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the Raiders defense. I have always said the biggest road block to the greatness of Mike Shanahan the coach is Mike Shanahan the personnel guy, but it looks like both have been on top of their game recently. Shanny has complete confidence in Jay Cutler, and for the first time in years 100% of the playbook is in play. With speed all around, Shanny can do things he simply couldn't risk doing before. That makes coaching, and watching fun. |
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Nice, G
I agree with everything you posted. I voted A- because of the streaky ST’s. Though better than last year, they still concern me. Plus, I thought that if the faders had been able to stick with the run, they were moving the ball pretty well early on. Hard to judge since they pulled the classic fader implosion.
On another note, did anyone notice the excellent, McCaffrey-style block on Sheffler’s long catch? Darrell Jackson deserves some serious props for taking out 2 defenders with 1 block and getting Sheffler another 10 yards for his effort. Seeing receivers downfield throwing key blocks like that fires me up!
Or so I'm told.
by MN Bronco on Sep 9, 2008 10:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Lame, replying to your own post...
I forgot, I was also concerned about the Broncos’ running game. It wasn’t up to Bronco standards. It’ll have to be much better this week.
Or so I'm told.
by MN Bronco on Sep 9, 2008 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
But u have to
love M Pittman’s contribution. I didn’t really like the guy until I discovered that he is totally a team guy! I don’t think that he really cares if his stats show 2.3 Y/C as long as the touchdown totals are equal to his attempts! LOL
by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2008 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do that all the time...are you tryin to say somethin? ;) j/k
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by Tim Lynch on Sep 9, 2008 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
just kiddin j/k? just messin around :)
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by Tim Lynch on Sep 9, 2008 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted B
The game was well played, but ST are streaky and I wanted a shut out. We can’t let up on defense no matter what kind of lead there is.
I do love offensive line domination.
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by mdierk on Sep 9, 2008 10:35 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Man your harsh
But I agree, we should of gotten the shutout, but in all fairness to the defense, I think the refs in the second half were letting the O-line of the Raiders get away with anything in order to let the Raiders at least score and not get the game get out of hand. I saw numerouos plays where the LT for the Raiders were litterally picking up the DL and holding them in the air right infront of the refs, yet no flag.
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"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
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by Broncoman on Sep 9, 2008 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats funny man
on silver and black pride, you say not to blame the refs, and over here you got conspiracy theories, when you guys won!
63, rest in peace man
by autumnwind on Sep 9, 2008 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
broncoman,
on the comment i reply’d too.
im not going to go get the link from sabp
anyway you guys wooped our ass, so whatever, grats to you guys, your qb(ours does too, you got to give us that) looks like the real deal
the only thing left to do for us is to do is pray kiffin can turn this around or place bets on when kiff and ryan will get fired
63, rest in peace man
by autumnwind on Sep 9, 2008 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HUH?
I didnt think the refs were any worse or better than in the first half. Denver smoked that jv team in oakland.
by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 9, 2008 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broncoman, thanks for representing over on the Faders site, it added to the humiliation!
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by littletinybroncos on Sep 9, 2008 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
while the dline did play ok, I was not happy with some of the missed tackles and some of the 8 and 9 yard runs last night. LT is a better back that the 2 in oakland and I would like to see more run stuffing. Denver was great offensively. I love Royal. When #15 returns its gonna make that offense even that more powerful. Man, watch out SD, and the rest of the NFL. A true star in the making is upon us, and his name is Cutler.
by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 9, 2008 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
41-14 on opening day, on monday night football, at the oakland raiders...........
a B??? lol
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by Tim Lynch on Sep 9, 2008 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A++++ for Shanahan.
The raiders had absolutely no answer for his playcalling. Or was that only bacause every play they ran worked perfectly?
I’m not worrying about our o-line one bit. They came into their own yesterday, especially Harris and Clady, and what I looked at as a potential weakness is now something I won’t need to worry about. Bring on San Diego!!!
I could be wrong, but I believe a Raider is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
by papigrande on Sep 9, 2008 10:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Right on with that...the playcalling was great and we took chances down field. Opened up the playbook
and sent a message to the rest of the AFC that we have weapons too.
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by irish1611 on Sep 9, 2008 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shanahan's...
…been working on this one since the schedule came out.
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by bradley on Sep 9, 2008 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
And did you see Crazy Al up in the box. The guy definitely has one foot in. And I bet Shanny would love to be the one to pull the plug on the bastard.
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by Bob in Boulder on Sep 9, 2008 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Anytime you blow out the raiders on Monday Night Football, you get a pass on some of the minor issues in my book. Our D wasn’t great, and they just got lucky on a couple of plays, but I think that they might have been scaling back the pressure so that they didn’t tip their hand for the San Diego game (at least I hope so…).
With our offense, our D doesn’t have to be world-beaters, they can be average and we can still win. I can’t wait for Sunday!
by hai17 on Sep 9, 2008 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
WR blockiing
Yeah…and on one play I saw Royal light a LB up fairly decently…didn’t lay him flat, but got room for the RB on a sweep. I absolutely love seeing that from our offense. I gotta say, D Jack was a money acquisition. He’s a veteran that is playing like a veteran on a TEAM and looks like he understands his role.
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by sadaraine on Sep 9, 2008 10:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I probably would of given the special teams a B-, they did have another punt return that was very good from the Raiders called back on a penality, in short, they still need work on the coverage units, but Prater looked great.
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"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
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by Broncoman on Sep 9, 2008 10:41 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
A+
While there are some questions marks still on how the run D, ST, etc will do against NFL-caliber competition, you gotta give the team an A or A+. Without the biggest offensive playmaker on the team, they went out there and had a 27-0 lead thru 3. Can’t beat that.
by bushwah on Sep 9, 2008 10:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
41-0
and the faders wouldn’t see a prime time game for years to come! As it is, I thought it was interesting, the comment by (I think it was a reporter for the San Fran news paper) who said that as sad as the faders have been for years, he thought that the NFL puts them on prime time “because” they are no good, just to humiliate “Little Al D”, who has contstantly caused trouble in the leage through law suits, etc.
I wanted a 38-10 win so that for once in my life I could say that I predicted it perfectly but, I’ll take it just the way it played out, every game. A+
by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2008 11:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The Broncos look to be a strong team
Cutler and FAST EDDIE both deserve an A+, in my view, and I hope each wins the weekly award (Cutler player of the week and Eddie ROY).
BTW, if you haven’t voted for them, get over there and do it!!
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From my observations, however, it appears the Broncos still need a safety. McCree did a great job, but Manuel seemed the weak link out there. While the other three deserved an A- or B+, Manuel drug them down to a C+, IMO. But then, maybe I’m just all wet.
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by AZDynamics on Sep 9, 2008 11:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Royal will win ROW and mabye ROY,
but Cutler won’t win QB of the week against Mcnabb and Bree’s numbers.
To have striven, to have made the effort, to have been true to certain ideals - this alone is worth the struggle. - William Penn
Tom Arnold, of Fox Sports Net's Best Damn Sports Show Period, said this about Warren Sapp: "Hey, Warren, the Raiders signed you to a seven-year deal. I guess Bill Callahan was right --- they are the dumbest team in America."
by Philistine21 on Sep 9, 2008 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree
about Cutler against McNabb and Brees, especially since the other two play for eastern teams. However, numbers tell only part of the story. Cutler can do things out there that McNabb and Brees would like to be able to do. But you know the story: “You know that, and I know that, but do they know that?”
Regarding Fast Eddie, I used the acronym ROY, but I meant Rookie of the Week. It was a typo . . . it’s a little early for ROY yet. But I do believe Eddie deserves ROW.
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by AZDynamics on Sep 9, 2008 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A poll at ESPN....
…asks who you would rather build a team around. Cutler is winning heavily.
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by Steve Nichols on Sep 9, 2008 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
link?
To have striven, to have made the effort, to have been true to certain ideals - this alone is worth the struggle. - William Penn
Tom Arnold, of Fox Sports Net's Best Damn Sports Show Period, said this about Warren Sapp: "Hey, Warren, the Raiders signed you to a seven-year deal. I guess Bill Callahan was right --- they are the dumbest team in America."
by Philistine21 on Sep 9, 2008 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler had a higher QB rating than McNabb or Brees. Only Rothlesburger was higher
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by Denver Diehard on Sep 11, 2008 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-
Overall, I was most encouraged by how the Broncos improved in some areas as the game went on, and by the fact that we never let up on them. This game really felt like a 5th preseason game (maybe because of the Raiders’ play), and I’m glad for the confidence-building success going into the Charger game. I predict a shootout next week, and we’ll have to score 30 to beat the Chargers. After watching Fargas and DMC pop some decent gains, I’m not confident the Defense can stop, or even slow, LT. Hopefully the Chargers injured center and tackle will wait at least one more week to return.
Offense keep it going:
- Play calling was mastermindful. With all of our weapons, this fact excites me most.
- Pass blocking is awesome
- Run blocking seemed to improve throughout the game. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen Denver move the pile like they did in the 2nd half.
- Diabetes schmiabetes. Cutler for President.
- Who are they going to cover when The Beast returns? Eddie “The Route” Royal for ROY. Since the draft, I’ve been teasing the locals by calling him Eddie “the Charger Killer” Royal.
- RBs seemed to improve one-cut and go throughout the game.
- Peyton Hillis had some great lead blocking, and he ran well.
Offense room to improve:
- Eddie Royal almost fumbled, what, three times? Hang onto the rock, kid.
- Coordination of run blocking and one-cut and go by RBs needs to improve.
- Tony Scheffler needs to catch those in the end-zone.
- Peyton Hillis needs to soften up his hands. I really wanted to see him after the catch.
- Those low balls from Cutler can be hard on the receivers. If Stokely can’t catch it, not many can.
Defense keep it going:
- Run defense shows signs of hope.
- Pass rush shows signs of hope.
- Nice to see some forced turnovers.
Defense room to improve:
- It should have been a shutout.
- McCree staring down the runner, then turning around and running the other way to pick an angle. Wha? Makes me want to see what Lowry can do.
- Dre Bly gets lost at times
- Nate Webster still over pursues (nitpick, but after seeing it so much, it gets to me)
Special teams keep it going:
- Eddie “the Jukebox” Royal
- Matt Prater splitting the uprights
- Kick coverage was great in the second half
Special teams room to improve:
- Kick coverage was scary in the first half
Surprises:
- Andre Hall the featured back
- Jarvis Moss not on active roster
- Not one ball thrown to Daniel Graham
- The Raiders went for it on 4th and long from their own 20. Even with the blowout, that’s a big yikes.
by CoastalBronco on Sep 9, 2008 11:59 AM MDT reply actions 8 recs
I agree on all points...except maybe special teams.
I felt we did a good job keep them bottled up, other than that one big return. A+ ;)
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by Tim Lynch on Sep 9, 2008 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCree angle
McCree did that because he was playing to contain the runner…he knew he was the last man to beat and absolutely was not going to allow them the score. He was actually playing his position as a safety decently. I would have liked to see him hit the guy straight-on, but I understand why he did that and it was a smart move.
by sadaraine on Sep 9, 2008 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reverse angle?
Running away from the ball carrier is not usually what you look for in a dominant safety. And it isn’t the angle Foley, Smith, Atwater, or Lynch would have taken. McCree may have had a decent game otherwise, I haven’t watched the game again yet to have a broader opinion, but I’m not inclined to let him off the hook on this play.
by CoastalBronco on Sep 9, 2008 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But McCree is not a dominant safety
We already knew that.
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by spock on Sep 9, 2008 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He miffed it bad on that
I was screamin at the TV for sure! What I like din him however is even though he screwed up he didnt GIVE UP something I got all too used to seeing last year
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Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Sep 10, 2008 1:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On further review
I was able to watch the 1st half again last night. You’re right, McCree had some nice tackles and was well-positioned most of the time. I also thought Manuel played well. Now if we just keep from covering WRs with our LBs.
Other new takes:
- We sure looked calm taking over inside our own 5 yard line and moving the ball right away.
- Run blocking looked better than I thought. I think most of our rushing issues are with the RB decisiveness and cut backs.
- LBs were moving well as a unit, but enough with the drama. Act like you’ve made a tackle before.
- Cutler’s accuracy wasn’t consistent — in the dirt on 3rd down when coverage wasn’t tight, wide in the red zone, etc. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining. My point is more that this kid is only going to get better.
- Scheffler sure knows his QB. He never slowed his route on that long pass. Great route running.
by CoastalBronco on Sep 11, 2008 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your comment...
should be a post! Recommended!
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by Steve Nichols on Sep 9, 2008 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
I didn’t know you could do that. I’ll try making a post next time.
I’m disappointed I didn’t include red zone scoring under my offense keep it going list. There were a lot of positive things yesterday that we haven’t seen from the Broncos in a awhile, and I’m honestly trying not to get too excited. How I wish I could be within 100 miles of Mile High “I” next Sunday. I’ll have to settle for tormenting the locals. C’mon defense — average play or better plus two or three turnovers and we should be in good shape.
by CoastalBronco on Sep 9, 2008 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprises
Hall not a big surprise
Moss I think may be looking for work next year
Graham I was surprised they didn’t use more in the passing game
Last, what else were they going to do, they had to try something
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"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
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by Broncoman on Sep 9, 2008 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shanahan made a comment...
…that Moss wasn’t active because he is primarily a pass rusher and he knew the faders would most likely heavily emphasize the running game so he went with Ekuban instead.
It’ll be interesting to see if he’s active next week.
by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 9, 2008 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is interesting point
Hadn’t thought of it in those terms.
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"They taste like burning." Ralph Wigam
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by Broncoman on Sep 9, 2008 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw that.
Its a pretty comfortable feeling having specialty pieces you can trade in and out for the different threats that different teams pose. Are we going to see a hybrid 3-4 with Jarvis pass rushing but also moving around like we saw against the Colts last year?
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by jibbons on Sep 9, 2008 11:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we might see Ekuban again this week
with LT doing the honors for the Bolts. Which doesn’t bother me. Ekuban is a better DE, anyway, IMO.
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by AZDynamics on Sep 10, 2008 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOAH!!!
It’s GREEN!!! Pretty……
OK, I’ll rec it too. Very good comment that should be a Fanpost. Like you said, the o-line was awesome, and if they can sustain that level of play we’ll be a top5 offense this year. “Fast” Eddie “the Jukebox” “the Route” “Hands” “the Charger Killer” “the Duke of Juke” Royal for ROY!!!! (Am I missing a nickname?)
I could be wrong, but I believe a Raider is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
by papigrande on Sep 9, 2008 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot....
Eddie “The Royal Flush”
To have striven, to have made the effort, to have been true to certain ideals - this alone is worth the struggle. - William Penn
Tom Arnold, of Fox Sports Net's Best Damn Sports Show Period, said this about Warren Sapp: "Hey, Warren, the Raiders signed you to a seven-year deal. I guess Bill Callahan was right --- they are the dumbest team in America."
by Philistine21 on Sep 9, 2008 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh... I knew there was one.
Go Royal! Make a fool out of Cromartie! w00t!!
I could be wrong, but I believe a Raider is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
by papigrande on Sep 9, 2008 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Your Majesty..."
Mountains, forest, sea: these render man fierce, but yet do not destroy the man.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 10, 2008 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAST EDDIE ROYAL!!
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by AZDynamics on Sep 10, 2008 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait until we see what BMarsh and Royal can do together
If Royal continues this production, I can only imagine what kind of year Cutler will have. Could make him a top 5 Quarterback instantly and get him the attention he deserves
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by irish1611 on Sep 9, 2008 12:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
They are going to be scary good for sure!
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by Tim Lynch on Sep 9, 2008 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clady
I was kind of hoping the Broncos would take Jonathan Stewart, but I now realize that Clady was the better choice, even tho Stewart has been tremendous so far for Carolina.. And with Harris beating out Pears at RT, there is an upgrade (I like Pears – he stepped in two years ago at LT and did good, and played RT all last year, but it looks like Harris is better). This young O line is looking really good, and with Royal, Marshall, and the rest, what an O the Broncos have built around Cutler. If the D has suffered a bit as a result, just remember – the best D is a good O.
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by bradley on Sep 9, 2008 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5 or better.
I can’t even imagin the problems that defensive coordinator are going to go through for the rest of the year, just trying to defend against the two of them! Then add in “the rest of the field!”
by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2008 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now if we get Scheffler to really emerge, the passing attack will be unstoppable. Its so good to have Jay play like he did last night
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by irish1611 on Sep 9, 2008 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
the thing about Shef is that next week, Jay is going to have soooooo many targets, that Sheff will get many more balls, just because HE will B ignored!
by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2008 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That pass was on the throw back from Jay to Scheff was a thing of beauty
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by irish1611 on Sep 9, 2008 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOT TO AGREE WITH U ON THAT ONE!
I thought that there were so many things that happened in this game Offensively, that made me feal like “this is our year”, that, with a full “healthy” team, we R simply going to give all of our apponents FITZ!
by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2008 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler blocking
Anyone else notice that Jay was the lead blocker on the first play of the game? Ballsy play, that’s what that is.
by appleshampoo on Sep 9, 2008 12:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
He helped establish the wall
on Royal’s double-reverse pass option play as well.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Sep 9, 2008 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler is fearless
Scared me to death on that run, ditto the lead blocking. I think he was a linebacker in his last life :)
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by Emmett Smith on Sep 9, 2008 12:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My God, is it just me...
..or did it look to anyone else like the guy went for Jay’s knee? That scared the bejeesus out of me!
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by Steve Nichols on Sep 9, 2008 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen so many dirty hits this year . . .
If they were logging them, I would suspect the league was going for a record this year.
And it isn’t exclusive of the Broncos, either. Did anyone besides me notice in replaces how Foxy took a couple body shots with his fist while tackling in one instance?
But then the Raiders are the paradigm of that type of conduct, IMO. I wasn’t sure about that first penalty by Hall on Fast Eddie, but that spearing should have resulted in ejection, especially in that it was the second personal foul in the same offensive series.
But Cutler is going to have to be more careful in the future. Everyone in the league knows that Cutler is the Broncos. Just like they knew Brady was the Patriots . . .
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by AZDynamics on Sep 9, 2008 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
TYPO
I mean in “replays” in the second paragraph, not “replaces.”
Sure wish we could edit our posts.
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by AZDynamics on Sep 9, 2008 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler a safety?
Really? amazing. When did he start playing QB?
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by bradley on Sep 9, 2008 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, he was a QB in high school too.
He started offense and defense for three years. In his senior year, he had over 3,000 yards of total offense (2,500 passing) with 42 total touchdowns (31 passing) and recorded 9 interceptions. He also caught the game-winning pass of the state championship game on a halfback pass.
He was a first team all stater in basketball and an honorable mention all state for baseball, where he played shortstop. Funny, you’d think he’d be a pitcher. How hard do you think he can throw the small ball? 105?
I could be wrong, but I believe a Raider is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
by papigrande on Sep 9, 2008 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
105?
Probably. But I for am damn glad he chose the pigskin.
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by bradley on Sep 9, 2008 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
Meant I for one an damn glad he chose football.
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by bradley on Sep 9, 2008 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got it the first time :)
And I totally agree, I’m pretty sure he made the right choice. Kind of like how John Elway could have played for the Yankees if he wanted to.
I could be wrong, but I believe a Raider is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
by papigrande on Sep 9, 2008 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-
Rush defense still pretty scary. LT may have a field day with us unless we improve
Still holding my breath too much on ST coverage. Thank God Champ was out there on the first kickoff!
Otherwise an awesome win. Shanny was wanting to stick it to Darth Davis and threw the whole playbook out there to do it.
I can’t wait to see who the bolts decide to double cover next week. Jay should have a field day. I just hope we don’t have to get into a game where the last team to have possession wins the game!
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by DesertBroncoFan on Sep 9, 2008 12:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you DBF.
I especially didn’t like seeing the left side of their OL often wall off the right side of our defense and letting their RBs get 5 yards before they were even touched. The offense looked so special that it helped the defense look better, than perhaps it is. But that is to be expected.
Next week is the test. Then we’ll know.
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by Trinidad Jack on Sep 9, 2008 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I thought the wait to the start of the season was bad. :-P
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by Philistine21 on Sep 9, 2008 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I predict that the Chargers...
…will not be in a position to do any double coverage.
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by Steve Nichols on Sep 9, 2008 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’ll be too busy double-covering their backsides trying to avoid blame for the upcoming defeat. :-)
by Hooper on Sep 9, 2008 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, it looked to me like our D was stopping the run fairly well...except for that one big running play
Take that out of the equation and the Raiders averaged 3.6 yards per carry.
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by Tim Lynch on Sep 9, 2008 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Most of Fargas's yards came on that one big run in garbage time.
Still, there is some room for improvement. We need to cause some havoc on the D-line (Robertson) and mess up their blocks before they get to the second level. McCree also took a poor angle on that big run and missed the tackle twice. Like I said, always room for improvement, however…
I think our defensive gameplan will be totally different for the Chargers game. I can see us sending seven, eight guys every play. We’ll have the LB’s flying around each and every way on each and every play. We need to confuse the hell out of their o-line so they mess up their scheme and start missing blocks. We need to get in phyllis’s head and make him run around on that bad knee. Hopefully the offense can get us a cushion that would allow us to rush, rush, and rush, freeing up Champ and co. to make some big plays.
I could be wrong, but I believe a Raider is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
by papigrande on Sep 9, 2008 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
VERY INSIGHTFUL COMMENT
I personally love it. It really is about living up to every single person who plays for this team. And, they all need to shine. The truth is that every single person playing on the BRONCO TEAM, is so ready for the next game, that, none of all this talk, really matters!
Letz get on with the chargers, and forget about the faders.
by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2008 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget
that Boss has another week to get to 100%. There is a good chance that he was held out by the coaches on the grounds that he wasn’t needed in the fifth preseason game of the year.
I think Shanny didn’t just gameplan the raiders this offseason. Besides whatever they typically do, he saw a 2 game opener that could set us up to dominate the division. I’ll bet that the oakland gameplan meshes beautifully with the SD gameplan.
Shanny is like a live wire this season.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 10, 2008 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that Denver's defense
will remind us of the 1985 Bears. However, I believe they still have some gelling to do and will get better as the season wears on.
Nonetheless, with that offense, if they play even up to Monday’s standards, the Broncos will be a tough team this year.
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by AZDynamics on Sep 10, 2008 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article!
Special teams can definetaly use a little bit more of a focus this week. Cromartie and Sproles are nothing to take lightly. I would give the special teams a C this week. Buzz worthy article Guru!
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by Denver_Native on Sep 9, 2008 2:05 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with STs
They were a “D” with me, with only Kern and Prater, with their “B+’s” bringing the STs up to a “C”
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by AZDynamics on Sep 9, 2008 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rush Defense
There’s a big test next week—Broncs should score early and often, or the Bolts will keep the pressure on with their running game.
Rush defense, special teams, and rush offense need more tuning.
Some receivers and tight ends need to CATCH some bullets. A couple first/touchdowns were missed because of it. Cutler looked great…. nice touch with some of those passes! SCARY!
by Broncsbomber on Sep 9, 2008 2:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Rush defense and even pass defense, we had two big plays that Oakland simply missed where their recievers dropped the ball or it was overthrown, I don’t expect San Diego to make those mistakes
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by Broncoman on Sep 9, 2008 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our draft
The coaches who put together our draft board should be standing tall. Look who got playing time last night, Clady, Royal, Hillis, Kern,Lichensteiger, Woodyard and I think Jack Williams was on some special teams. That’s impressive!
by Future Bronco DC on Sep 9, 2008 2:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hillis was a steal
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by irish1611 on Sep 9, 2008 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You hit that on the head.
What amazes me with McFadden, Felix Jones, and Hillis in the backfield for Arkansas, how they ever lost.
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by Broncoman on Sep 9, 2008 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two words - Houston Nutt
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by irish1611 on Sep 9, 2008 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by Broncoman on Sep 9, 2008 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ll be fair about it too, they had a dog sh*t quarterback to in
Mustain
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by irish1611 on Sep 9, 2008 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You beat me to it
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by spock on Sep 9, 2008 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
amen.
what a disgusting debacle that was/is…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 10, 2008 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a sense, that Arkansas team was TOO talented.
They also had a lot on the defensive side of the ball. They were good enough to beat a really jazzed-up LSU last year, but it was almost as if football strategy had never evolved to account for that combination of skill sets. Honestly, I always felt they should have ditched the QB, gone traditional Single Wing, and never let the other team see the ball.
They had the team for it, but no fan base – especially one as Looney Tunes as Arkansas – would have accepted it.
by Hooper on Sep 9, 2008 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A remarkable achievement.
It’s still early but we may very well look back on this draft as one of their best.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 9, 2008 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other side of the coin
Jarvis Moss was, to use a hockey term, a healthy scratch. I hope he isn’t a bust.
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by Bob in Boulder on Sep 9, 2008 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I unfortunately believe he may be a bust
I noticed Crowder played, which is interesting since I thought he was lower on the depth chart. Either way I don’t think it bodes well for Moss.
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by Broncoman on Sep 9, 2008 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's too early to give up on Moss
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by spock on Sep 9, 2008 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out unarming mermaid's comment earlier on this board for good info on that.
Its just Shannahanigan’s, he kept Jarvis out to get one more run stopper in. Against a pass first team, we should expect the opposite.
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by jibbons on Sep 9, 2008 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's also interesting is the best player in that class may be Torain
Granted, way too early to say, but of all of the players drafted, I thought Torain would have the biggest impact, and he still may, and if he does, that class could definately go down as the all time greatest draft classes in Broncos history.
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by Broncoman on Sep 9, 2008 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw JMFW out there
at least once – on ST. Woodyard, too.
by jonahsilas on Sep 9, 2008 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
One area of concern...
I would give the DBs a C-, and that’s being generous. There were several plays where a receiver was wide open with nobody behind him and Russell just barely overthrew him. This is something that the chargers will take note of and syphyliss most likely will make that pass. Also, the run defense needs to improve.
Next weekend is all about the defense.
by UnarmingMermaid on Sep 9, 2008 4:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Oakland matched the coverage up with the wrong guy
Most of those plays were one on one and a LB was trailing the WR, so I think it was that Oakland called the right play for the defense they were seeing, they just didn’t execute the play. But that may be more of the defense adjusting, because I am sure they don’t want Webster or Winborn chasing WR or TE deep down the field.
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by Broncoman on Sep 9, 2008 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe U R probubly right
The thing is that SD isn’t the only one looking at the tapes. Shany and the Staff, have already seen the GLARING mistakes, prior to leaving the field! Sitting in the “game room” watching tape, they will make the corrections that are needed. I can’t wait for SD to come into Denver with an over confident COCKEY attitude, and get stomped, on both sides of the ball!
by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2008 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first thought on the overthrown of Curry was
what the hell is Webster doing covering a WR?
That had to be a matchup that the faders would love to see. Good thing Russell couldn’t convert.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Sep 9, 2008 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
Boss Bailey will probably be back next week, and he might not be as easy to beat.
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by spock on Sep 9, 2008 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Javon,
What happened? Why didn’t you want to play us, man? I was really looking forward to you getting thrown down.
Great game that is consequently getting all the “experts” giving the Broncos a serious look.
Also, should I feel like a huge loser for yelling, “Do it baby!” when Aaron Rodgers was thinking about doing the Lambeau Leap?
by Greyson on Sep 9, 2008 5:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It probably wasn't Javon's decision.
If you are not 100% certain your premier receiver is fully recovered from an injury to one of his wheels, you don’t play him. But I don’t think he would have made much difference out there. Russell wasn’t looking for receivers for most of the game. He was just trying to get out of there alive.
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by AZDynamics on Sep 10, 2008 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I have to give this game an A.
Now that is the way I like for us to start the season. I know it was the Raiders, yet Cutler did a good job of picking the Raiders apart. Our line impressed me alot with the amount of time Jay had to throw and with consistency there he is going to have a great year. No picks, fumbles, and Cutler’s jersey was totally clean. The only thing Cutler needs to improve from what I saw is to ease up on the low throws……still an awesome game and was very calm back there.
Nice to see TDs in the redzone instead of FGs…..other than the first FG which should have been caught by Scheffler. He needs to catch that next time. The other thing is that I finally saw some rushing TDs inside the 10yd. line…….more of that.
by weazel on Sep 9, 2008 6:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
A-
Great post Guru! I have to give it the darkside of ideal, as on the one hand I feel like it was a team performance that would put us in position for a W against ANY team in the league, but I also think that few teams will commit as many stupid (and timely) penalties as the faders. We got lucky a few times, and if it hadn’t been a blow out early there is not telling how that fader team would have reacted. But there are a lot of teams in this league (SD for instance) that will knock the door down if you leave it open a crack…
I’m thinking the big key for the SD game is going to be the composition of their oline. If not much changes between now and then I like our chances to not only win, but to win with room for error…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 10, 2008 10:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point. What is your pick for the Score next week? Mine is Broncos Win 31-20
by metalman5050 on Sep 10, 2008 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
depending on several factors
I’d say Denver win 27-21 with SD coming on strong late. I will probably change this score depending on what my SD research turns up, and of course based on the info that HT will be sharing with us about the Chargers. His scheme predictions are critical to guess-timating the score for me….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 10, 2008 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments on Hillis?
I saw he had some action in the blocking scheme, but he dropped a pass in the open flat. Did he have any catches, or more than one drop?
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