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Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations

As we enter the re-loading season, I felt like I needed to establish a fun new recurring feature.  HT has MHR University, and Broncobear has the always excellent Tales from the Sunny Side.  Styg is heading up some great draft coverage, which has a fun name, which you'll be hearing about very soon.  Nick has some statistical analysis pieces which will be coming, and Zappa will continue to be Zappa, intermittently unleashing jolts of Broncos fan brilliance.  And the Guru, when we form like Voltron, the Guru is the head.

So where does that leave me?  Well, I was thinking a couple days ago, as I listened to Enter The Wu-Tang and shoveled a foot of snow, that two things I can consistently provide are shallow thoughts, and nearsighted observations.  Since this is a Broncos blog, I'll focus on our team, but I'll also include some league-wide thoughts, for keeping-up-with- the-Jones purposes.  Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations.  What else could be needed on top of that?  Maybe just some more cowbell....  Did anybody bring a cowbell?

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1.  Professionally, I am a financial analyst.  What that means, generally, is that I get paid to study historical performance, and use it to predict future results.  I also try to figure out why past occurrences happened.  Central to doing any kind of analysis is a feel for the concepts of correlation and  causality.  In one sentence, correlation indicates that there is a linear relationship between Events A & B.  Causality indicates that Event A causes Event B.

The reason for this lead-up is that various media outlets have been mentioning the track records of Eric Mangini, Romeo Crennel, and Charlie Weis, and been relating these track records to Josh McDaniels.  This is bad analysis, because it assumes a "fact" which is not a "fact."  Read the following sentence, and think about it.

All coaches who have worked for Bill Belichick in the past will perform roughly the same.

Does that make sense?  Based upon a small sample of 3 coaches, you would predict a disappointing performance for McDaniels, but even that gets fuzzy.  Weis has performed below expectations at Notre Dame, but if he were at Vanderbilt, (which is academically cxomparable) he'd be a hero.  Mangini had 2 winning seasons out of 3.  Crennel had one winning season, and otherwise, did really no worse than Butch Davis or Chris Palmer.  Expectations, which differ, play into whether or not someone is a disappointment.

Try this one.

In Cleveland, auto sales are dramatically lower in months which see 10 or more inches of snow than they are in months which see less than 10 inches of snow.

This is a true statement, and a linear correlation could be established between auto sales and snow-fall.  That would lead a bad analyst to predict a spike in auto sales in February or March, if we had an unseasonably warm and snow-free month.  That spike wouldn't happen though.  Car sales are slow in the months of January through March, and pick up beginning in April.  It is a seasonal phenomenon, and has nothing to do with the amount of snow which falls.  January through March just happen to be Cleveland's heavy snow season.  There is correlation, but no causality.

The fact that an assistant worked for Bill Belichick has no direct bearing on the level of success which he will experience in what is really an extraordinarily multi-variate situation.  The key determinant will always be the individual's quality as a coach.

2.  I intend these points to generally be quick-hitting, but here goes another lengthy one.  There is no inherent advantage to using either a 4-3 or a 3-4 scheme.  Look no further than next Sunday's AFC Championship game to see this.  Baltimore actually used a 3-4 for a few years, and it didn't suit Ray Lewis, because blockers were getting into his body.  Not coincidentally, their peformance as a team fell off some from their cutomary top-of-the-league position.  Now, you have the two best defenses in the NFL playing Sunday, with each using a different front.  Here are some pros and cons for the two systems.

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It really comes down to personnel, and staffing preferences.  I could personally care less which it is, as long as it gets the defense off the field on 3rd Down.

3.  Props to Adam Schefter for being all over the McDaniels hire a week ago.  i doubted it then, but I am impressed he had such a good sense of it now.

4.  The National Football Post reported about an hour ago that the Broncos have offically hired Mike Nolan as Defensive Coordinator.  The more I think about it, the more I love this hire.  He made a few mistakes in San Francisco, most notably in the personnel department and in relating poorly to Alex Smith.  He will grow from the experience, and be a huge asset.

5.  Alex Smith was on his way to being a solid player before the injury, as we remember from the sad day of December 31, 2006.  I would not be surprised if he returns to SF with a big pay-cut (which he has publicly volunteered to take) and beats out Shaun Hill for the job next season.  He's vastly more talented, and he's still only 24 years old.

6.  On the topic of retread coaches, I expect Eric Mangini to have some success in Cleveland.  I don't think he deserved to get fired from New York, and I think Cleveland got lucky to get him on the rebound.  Now, if only they can figure out a program, and learn to ignore their fan base and local Radio Idiots, they'll be cooking with gas.

7.  I don't hear a lot of criticism of the AFC West or NFC West all of a sudden.  I'm particularly very impressed with Arizona, and I think they have just as good a chance of winning a Super Bowl as any of the other 3 teams left.  I find rooting for both Pittsburgh and Baltimore to be very distasteful, so I'll be cheering on the NFC team this year.

8.  It looks like Tony Dungy will retire, according to Jay Glazer.  I think he is the most overrated coach ever, but he's definitely still good.  To hear the MSM tell it, you'd think he was directly related to Jesus Christ (which would make him kin to Tim Tebow also, it seems.)  In any case, I wish Tony and his family well, and I don't expect a lot of drop-off with Jim Caldwell taking over.  They still have Peyton Manning after all.

9.  Speaking of Tebow, I didn't just call him overrated, because he isn't.  I meant to criticize the MSM pontification about his godliness, which is unnecessary, and I don't really care about it.  I think it actually serves to hurt Tebow, because he's going to go down as clearly the greatest college football player of the modern era, and a lot of people dislike him through no real fault of his own.  And yes, he will be an NFL Quarterback.  Downgrading a guy because of bonus abilities he has is just stupid, and that's what is happening.  They'll work on his mechanics this year, and quicken his release, and he'll compete for championships at the NFL level.  I have no problem at all putting my name on this, because I know I am right.

10.  The Big XII is a fraud.  The proof is on the video, from multiple bowls.

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TB, great post as usual....

Some very good points.
Most under rated conference in College Football: the PAC !). They went 5-0 in bowl games. I would pick USC over ANY of the teams this year. Would have wiped the floor with Florida!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 9:50 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Most Underrated...

Is the Mountain West as I think Utah clearly demonstrated!

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 12, 2009 10:21 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

SWG, they are under rated as well....

Thing that bugged me as a USC fan is there loss was to Oregon State. They became a rated team and won a bowl. Weird.
Congrats to Utah…i knew they could beat the most OVER RATED team in college in Alabama, and the Utes proved they were a top 4 team!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

im just going off what i have heard on the radio and dont really want to spend time looking to back this up

but wasnt the Mountain West something like 4-1 or 5-1 against the Pac 10 this year during the regular season? Like I said, this is what I thought I heard on the radio but Im at work and dont want to spend the time to double check (rather just read my broncos news haha)

by purplesocks on Jan 12, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think anybody would wipe the floor with Florida

USC probably would have played a competitive game with them, though.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Jan 12, 2009 10:28 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, we will never know...but I am with socks....lets get on with the Broncos news...exciting times.

Question: Does any one know if Terrence Cody has declared for the 2009 draft?

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

Just a short question from Europe on the pronounciation of Tebow. Is it [tee-bow] or [t’bow]

by Jeeeeens on Jan 12, 2009 9:57 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Tee-bow

Accent on the first syllable

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Jan 12, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff

Conflation of causation and correlation causes me consternation :) Sorry. But that is seriously one of my pet peeves in all sorts of reporting.

If we go 3-4, we don’t have a true NT on our roster. I am sure D-Rob could do it like he did in NY but that is not his strong suit. Any thoughts on Marcus Thomas as a DE in a 3-4 scheme? Who else on the roster is a good fit for that position? I assume Doom and/or Moss would be converted to OLB (or maybe part of a 4 man line in the nickel)

by MattR on Jan 12, 2009 10:19 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Hey Matt,

I think we would have to go after a Wilfork in FA or draft NT with our first pick. Robertson stays in the rotation. Need to look at Cody or BJ Raji!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 10:22 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas played very well at DE in the 3-4

He was a real bright spot during that experiment. We maybe should all pump our brakes a little though, because Nolan has worked with both 4-3 and 3-4 schemes, and it’s not 100% certain we’d be going to 30 stuff. We’ll have to see how it plays out.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Jan 12, 2009 11:33 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree TB

Rotoworld is speculating that Denver will revert to a 3-4 system.
Interesting times!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 11:38 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post

I hate when so called experts think that Tebow should be a TE or FB or a coach won’t be any good without experience. Atlanta, Baltimore and Miami all had good seasons with coaches most experts assumed were not good hires, Marcellus Wiley (douche bag) said when he was at JAX Mike Smith wasn’t vocal enough and this was a bad hire, most experts dissed this hire as well. I trust in the Broncos organization and will always support whoever they hire or draft. I love orange white and blue Kool-Aid

by Markus2112 on Jan 12, 2009 10:37 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post, Ted

As usual.

NT – Cody is not coming out for the draft. He will, if uninjured, be highly sought after next year, can go upper 1st round if he plays up to it and he is aware that he needs seasoning at his position (some condfitioning, too.) I crave Raji if we go 3-4. Powell will need muscle weight to the tune of 15 – 20 lbs. if he wants to go there – I like that he seemed unfazed by double teams in college.

Marcus Thomas said that he liked the 3-4 DE option. I thought that he seemed to perform well there, too. Any thoughts on our other DE options?

In Goodman We Trust

by Emmett Smith on Jan 12, 2009 10:44 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doc...

I was trying to see what Cody’s deal was.
I think it will be good for him to season one more year as he has only played one year at high college level.
BJ Rajo looks a good pick for us.
Has anyone a list of NT FA’s for next year?
I will try and check.
Suggs would be awesome for us. Cushing at SLB/DE in a 3-4 as well.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 10:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Tank Johnson is avaialable

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 11:03 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

DE...

What do we do with Moss and DOOM? I’ll admit my ignorance here, but arn’t DEs in a 3-4 usually bigger guys like Thomas/Peterson/Crowder? Can Moss and Doom be effective at DE in a 3-4? Can we move them to a situational pass-rushing OLBs? I say trade both of them for some picks or an impact D-Lineman that’s not available in FA. Then pickup Peppers or Suggs, who both should be UFAs.

"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

by ButteBronco on Jan 12, 2009 11:39 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

They likely will be OLB/ DE hybrids in the system.

Thomas and Kenny Peterson would become ends.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 11:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we could trade Moss or DOOM for him then...

if all parties are unhappy. Here’s a pretty good article on his situation from the Charlotte Observer

"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

by ButteBronco on Jan 12, 2009 12:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

link

http://www.ajc.com/falcons/content/sports/falcons/stories/2009/01/12/nfl_panthers_peppers.html

"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

by ButteBronco on Jan 12, 2009 12:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post man.

I won’t be so intermittent once the season comes to a complete close. I go into deep withdraw after the Bronco’s season official ends without a Super Bowl victory. I have not watched a full game since that 52-21 debacle. I might watch this weekend, but likely I will only watch the Super Bowl. I am depressed. lol

Although the hiring of Nolan is HUGE. I live in Sacramento and I thought he was a solid head coach who inherited a dysfunctional franchise. I was glad he was fired because it gave me hope we’d pick him up as a DC…and we did! Woohoo! It makes my ill feeling about hiring such a young guy as a HC less ill feeling. :) I am 30 and the thought of someone my age running my favorite team does not make me feel good…at least at first. lol

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by Tim Lynch on Jan 12, 2009 10:54 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nolan really turned the SF defense around

I don’t think Nolan is HC material, or maybe he needs a little more seasoning. He did a great job at turning the SF defense around though. If only we could get Patrick Willis with him!

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by Darin H on Jan 12, 2009 11:00 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I really liked the comparison

of the plusses and minusus of of the 30 v the 40 fronts. The key ingrediant for the 30 seems to be that dominant NT that can play a two gap zero technique. There just aren’t that many human beings on the planet that can do that. Great post Ted, thanks.

It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Jan 12, 2009 11:49 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Teebow

I’ll take the opposing opinion on him. He will not be a successful NFL QB. The only way he is successful is as a move to FB, H-Back, TE. They can work on his release and mechanics all they want…I don’t see him making enough progress (he looks like crud throwing the ball).

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Jan 12, 2009 11:49 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

He somehow almost always puts it exactly where it needs to be

and he throws a terrific deep ball. I agree to disagree with you.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Jan 12, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

His deep ball only looks good in the college game. Unless he finds a little more umph he will see lots of picks throwing it deep agains NFL CBs.

You must be an eternal optimist to think seems to always put it exactly where it needs to be…he isn’t that sharp throwing at all.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Jan 12, 2009 2:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

As evidenced by 4 interceptions all year, and being 4th in the nation in passing efficiency

Like I said, I agree to disagree. We’ll see in a couple years.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Jan 12, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...looking closely

NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT SACKS RAT
1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 328 483 4721 67.9 9.8 50 8 11 180.86
3. Colt McCoy, Texas 332 434 3859 76.5 8.9 34 8 23 173.36
4. Tim Tebow, Florida 192 298 2747 64.4 9.2 30 4 15 172.40

(Dropped #2 from Tulsa as he didn’t play the same type of competition)

Looks like Tebow is short over a hundred pass attempts to be close to a couple of “real” NFL talent college QBs. That’s the biggest thing that stands out to me…but it is also interesting to see how far he lags behind in passing yards and completions.

Florida’s running offense sets up his passes for him and it is an offense that will not consistently work in the NFL. If he tries that triple option junk against a real defense, he will get chewed up and spat out like a well gnawed stick of gum.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Jan 12, 2009 3:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Florida’s system is setting him up to fail as it did for Chris Leak. And I cant see Urban changing the system so that Tebow learns mechanics and goes higher in the draft.
Hes a hell of an athletes, and he will catch on in the NFL, but he will struggle as a QB. Negiigble arm strength, and wont be able to run over safetys and LBs in the NFL.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 4:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Cum hoc egro propter hoc.

In Latin, this means “With this, therefore because of this.,” or “Correlation does not imply causation.”

You need look no further than that to explain why declaring Mac Daddy a bust based on the performance of three slightly related individuals is fallacy. I’ve had this argument many, many times with monkeys on MSM boards and Chiefs fans.

Brilliant post, too, but… what about mdierk?

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I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!

by papigrande on Jan 12, 2009 2:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I would have said Mdierk does Horse Tracks...

but lately Guru has been, so i didn’t want to be inaccurate :)

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Jan 12, 2009 3:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Papi

Even more commonly that fallacy is put forth as ‘Post hoc ergo procter hoc’ and means this (roughly) happened before that and was therefore causative. I like them both, though. In this case, prior manifestation doesn’t create causality. The ball being snapped doesn’t make Wester’s helmet fly off. Him seeing the ball get snapped does.

In Goodman We Trust

by Emmett Smith on Jan 12, 2009 3:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good one Doc!

It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Jan 12, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well-played by both of you...

I’m not too strong on the Latin, myself

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Jan 12, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry I got in late on this thread...

…but my favorite has always been:

illegitimi non carborundum;

don’t let the bastards grind you down.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Jan 13, 2009 9:39 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Im lovin the Wu-Tang reference....

“Denver Broncos Aint Nuthin ta F**k with!” lol

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by abaca15 on Jan 12, 2009 3:37 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Tebow

had surgery on his shoulder today, explains a lot.

by Markus2112 on Jan 12, 2009 6:15 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

NOW WAIT JUST A GAUL DERN MINUTE!

I click on this thread expecting all kinds of “shallow thoughts” and “near sighted observations” and all I see are deep thoughts and inciteful observations. What the heck is going on here? I mean, what the heck?

Oh and BTW, good job TB.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Jan 13, 2009 9:34 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

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