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With Mike Nolan reportedly on board, I think it's all but certain that we'll switch to the 3-4 system in 2009. It means we'll need to use a top pick on an NT in this year's draft. Here are the ones I've read about/watched play that I think would be great. Most of this stuff is compiled from various sources (Scouts, Draftcountdown, FFtoolbox, etc). and I tossed in a few of my own observations.

B. J. Raji (Boston College)

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6'1", 325

Pros: Good bull rush, good at reacting at the line, frequently draws double teams, disengages from blocks well

Cons: Not a great pass rusher, has missed easy tackles, has a tendency to stay high

Terrance Taylor

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6'0", 319

Pros: Super athletic (unofficial 4.8 40), can drop back into coverage, Michigan power lifting champion

Cons: Lacks stamina, intensity can wane and fall through the course of a game

Peria Jerry (Ole Miss)

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6'2", 190

Pros: Explosive off the line, good at breaking off blocks, great closing speed to catch players out the backfield, vocal leader

Cons: Undersized, frame is filled out at just 190, has struggled in run coverage, old for a rookie (25), intelligence issues, DE is possibly his natural spot

Ron Brace (Boston College)

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6'3", 325

Pros: Great size, teamed up with Raji to stuff the run at BC, a few more pass rushing moves than Raji

Cons: Still needs work with disengaging from blockers, quickness could be a weakness

Dorell Scott (Clemson)

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6'4", 320

Pros: Very solid in the run game, a classic space eater who could actually add more weight beyond his current 320 lbs

Cons: Lacks quickness, lacks a refined pass rush

Of course, these are just a few of the many available options. I didn't include some guys like USC's Fili Moala because they may not be big enough to fit a 3-4 system. Ideally, we can pick up a guy in the 310-330 range with quickness- the best bet looks like it could be BC's B.J. Raji. One common thread between all the top NT's in this year's draft seems to be the inability to pass rush effectively; however, provided they can draw consistent double teams, they can probably open up rushing opportunities for the ends.

Another option we can't overlook is Carlton Powell, who we took in the 5th round last year. He sat out the whole year of course, but he was (at the very least) a top 10 NT from last year's class. In my opinion, he's way too small to be the NT of a 3-4 system (290-300 range if I'm remembering his pre-draft stuff correctly). But he's certainly an option. I hope styg50 can add a lot more on the NT's, I remember he said he had a lot of notes on them last year.

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by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 10:40 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

He's not

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by Emmett Smith on Jan 12, 2009 10:45 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I've never heard of a 190 pound DT. lol

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by Tim Lynch on Jan 12, 2009 11:06 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, his nickname is "ice skates".

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by kwool79 on Jan 12, 2009 11:25 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!! I can play DT. lol.

I think he means 290, but he typed it twice… Hmm… Maybe he could be “French Fry” to go along with all these other fast food-related nicknames?

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by papigrande on Jan 12, 2009 2:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He looks like Mike Tyson!

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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 12, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a must if we switch

First, I don’t think Peria Jerry is 190, I assume this is a typo and you meant 290 :)

Second, we’re going to have to bring in someone in FA to be a NT, linemen are notorious for taking 2-3 year to develop. Hopefully, we’ll draft one of these guys, and they will see the field their rookie season a lot out of our necessity.

C. I’m pumped about what Mike Nolan can do with our defense. We are switching to the 3-4, bring on the Orange Crush!

4. Sign Suggs! We need a pass rusher desperately, I think he’d fit in perfectly.

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by Darin H on Jan 12, 2009 11:07 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Free agency does not look good for NT's!

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by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 11:22 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Suggs

As soon as I heard Nolan I thought of Suggs. I’m pretty sure Nolan was the DC in Baltimore when they picked Suggs so there is a relationship already there.

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by pubkeeper on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Perry is 295

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by Emmett Smith on Jan 12, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

What type of players play end in a 3-4?

How would our current players fit into a 3-4?

by Jeeeeens on Jan 12, 2009 11:17 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yes...we have some decent players for that.

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by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 11:23 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Some think Marcus Thomas, in particular, would be a good fit in the 34 as an end.

I tend to agree.

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by 53guys on Jan 12, 2009 1:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Two thoughts

I agree that linemen take a while to develop, but Richard Seymour did terrific right out of the gate, right?

Suggs is the epitome of why I’m hoping for a switch to a 4-3. He’s a terrific player who wouldn’t really have a good role in Vanilla Slowik’s crummy system. But in the 3-4, he’d provide terrific pass rush, and probably do it cheaper than other free agent DEs. That’s why it’s the perfect defensive system for the salary cap era.

by Chibronx on Jan 12, 2009 11:52 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Doom and Jarvis

I assume that both of these guys would have to switch to rush LB in a 3-4 or they would have to be let go? Jarvis was always a 3-4 linebacker in my opinion anyway. He’s not a bust, but is a great example of Coach Shanahan’s tendency to poorly evaluate defensive talent. We coulda had Beason dang it :)

by jaffe28 on Jan 12, 2009 12:03 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I think we'd trade Doom

Not that I’m some expert on the 3-4, but it seems like he’d be the odd man out. Moss seems like he could play the rush LB, but Doom, unfortunately is strictly a 4-3 pass rushing specialist.

Though if we move to some hybrid style we might have a place for him (limited 3rd downs, which isn’t really a change from what we used him for already).

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by Darin H on Jan 12, 2009 12:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't bail on DOOM yet

He had none of his strength moves this year due to his hand injury, and he would be the first to tell you that he needs all of his tools to excel. When he was limited to speed this year he was ridden out of every play, but he can be part of a solid rotation in a 3-4 or 4-3 both. My only feeling on DOOM is that he MUST be part of a rotation…which is standard issue except for the handfull of everydown stars out there. DE is as much a draft priority for us as DT.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 12, 2009 1:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

just a thought

I expect we’ll be going to a 3-4 base scheme but I thought I’d throw out another, strange, possibility — a 4-3/3-4 hybrid.

by Colinski on Jan 12, 2009 5:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Doom might be worth trying at ILB in the 34.

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by 53guys on Jan 12, 2009 1:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

NO

I love Doom, we can not get rid of him..

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by Earthtiger24 on Jan 12, 2009 2:42 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

you cannot trade doom

he is our best defensive player and would be a nice fit at DE still

by The Villyn on Jan 12, 2009 7:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I like DOOOOOM!!!

But at some but we have to accept that he sucked bad this year.

I mean if a boo boo on his pinky is all it takes to make him a non-factor…?

I wouldn’t be horribly distressed if they traded him.

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by PosterNutbag on Jan 13, 2009 2:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

CPowell for NT?

Was a double team eater in school, maybe could play the NT? Or at least in a rotation with a true NT. Also what does a switch to the 3 – 4 mean for our corner backs? Are the man-to-man corners needed in a 3-4? Or would cheaper zone type corners suffice? I’ve never been an advocate of trading Champ, but maybe he has more value to us now as trade material?

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by donbok1 on Jan 12, 2009 12:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Only if your NT is playing 2-gap though, right?

I don’t know if Powell has the quickness or skill set to play 2-gap, but you can also play a 3-4 where the line has 1-gap assignments along with the LB’s right?

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by donbok1 on Jan 12, 2009 7:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good question Bok. Why do I think it allows our CB's to play more aggressively???

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by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 12:13 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

If

They’re able to generate pressure on the QB there should be more opportunities for errant throws. I think once we get some decent safeties (Barrett showed promise) the CBs will be able to take more risks.

by CombatChuk on Jan 12, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

From what I understand

a 3-4 or 4-3 doesn’t really have any effect on the DBs. But, I could be wrong.

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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 12, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The coverage scheme is, for the most part, independent of the front 7 alignment. However, you almost never see a Tampa-2 run with a 3-4 alignment but I don’t now any reason why you couldn’t.

BTW: The are actually 2 (at least) different types of 3-4 systems: the NE version (or Fairbanks) and the Houston version (Phillips). The NE version (what Joe Collier ran in the late 70s and 80s) is a 2-gap system that requires the d-line to occupy the o-line so the LBs are free to range across the field. The Houston version is a 1-gap system that requires the d-line to penetrate their assigned gaps while the LBs control their own respective gaps.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 12, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget the zone blitz/LeBeau

Run by the DC of the Steelers, it might be just what we need against SD. And, it can use a one gap NT

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by Emmett Smith on Jan 12, 2009 10:04 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't even want to go there...

it’s almost a completely different system all by itself. But I do love it’s aggressive nature. I think you have to play ball control on the offense or your d would tire though.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 12, 2009 10:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

We might eventually move to a two-gap 3-4

but for 2009, given our present personnel, we’ll probably play 4-3 or a one-gap 3-4. From what I’ve been reading the coaches aren’t going to put in a system that we don’t have the right players for. (We tried that already with the run contain.) Rather, they’ll gradually transition to the system they want to run, fitting the system to the players in the interim.

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by spock on Jan 14, 2009 10:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Again, Mike Nolan has run both the 3-4 and the 4-3 during his career, so we cannot assume that the Broncos are definitely switching to the 3-4. Certainly possible, but I assume HT won’t waste his time until we know more…

by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 12, 2009 12:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus Thomas

Even more than Moss and Crowder, I’m concerned about what will happen to Thomas. IF they go to a 3-4, does he play some sort of DE-type position? I don’t know enough about the 3-4 to even guess. Coming into his 3rd year, he should be poised to make big strides. I really think he’ll be a significant player and I hope it’s for the donks. I just can’t get that image of him doing a back flip in training camp his rookie year outa my head, the kid is an athlete!

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by pubkeeper on Jan 12, 2009 12:29 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

the DEs in a 3-4

Are typically bigger, and for the most part there for stopping the run

by CombatChuk on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

So

Marcus Thomas would be a good DE in a 3-4

by CombatChuk on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I kinda thought that....

Seems to me Richard Seymour isn’t all that big either, but really athletic. Someone else also brought up Thomas’ play in the 3-4 this past season where he did OK and stated that he enjoyed the role.

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by pubkeeper on Jan 12, 2009 12:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas played very well as a 5-technique end...

during the midseason flirtation with the 3-4. He was one of the few bright spots, really.

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by Ted Bartlett on Jan 12, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

That’s partly why I see him breaking out soon. You can pretty much throw out his rookie altogether except that he got time on the field in real NFL action. Otherwise, with all of the confusion surrounding the D that year, I’m sure it was all about his head spinning. So, in effect, this past season was his 1 1/2 year. With some solid coaching, I really think he has the raw tools to work with. Remember, Moss himself said he was the best player on that Fla National Champ team.

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by pubkeeper on Jan 12, 2009 2:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget he was out of football shape that year

He talked about it around the end of the summer. It was kind of shocking. He could still bench more than me, but really, not that much more. (Maybe it was as low as 175!). He wasn’t fit and he hadn’t played much the previous years. This year was essentially his rookie season.

by Chibronx on Jan 12, 2009 2:45 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

175?!?! I bench more than that!

(55 pounds more, but I don’t like to butter my own toast.)

How did he go from 175 to 300+ in a year?? Whatever he’s doing, I need to start doing that. I went from 175 to about 185 in a year. lol.

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by papigrande on Jan 12, 2009 2:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

If you're going to start schticking, I'd better cite my source

Like I said, I’m not sure it was 175, but man oh man, it was low.

by Chibronx on Jan 12, 2009 3:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

practicing at altitude was burning him out, and by the halfway mark of the season he was toast.

He was a lot more confident early this year (before the D stopped talking) in his physical conditioning, and mentioned that it had seemed like he was another person the year before. He had never known it could hurt so bad being out of shape. But I give him a ton of credit: he never hoofed it and he never backed down from his assignments. He just couldn’t do anything…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 12, 2009 4:45 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't really know that much about NTs...

What typically makes a NT good?

My thought was that he’s just supposed to be a massive, unmovable anchor for the defense.

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by PosterNutbag on Jan 12, 2009 2:09 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

and I'd imagine he needs to be able to shut down the run up the middle.

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by PosterNutbag on Jan 12, 2009 2:42 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

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by boydy2669 on Jan 12, 2009 2:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

NTs don't need to be space eaters

it helps, but it’s not necessary. In most systems they must be good 2-gap players though. That’s why Robertson didn’t cut it for NYJ. They wanted him to convert from a 1-gap DT in their older 4-man front to a 2-gap NT in a 3-man front.

The ideal would be a wide body, space eater with great 2-gap skills. But forced to choose most DCs would probably prefer a smaller NT with great 2-gap skills to a larger 1-gap player.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 12, 2009 3:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm thinking 4-3

and i’m sure nolan will be, too, when he looks at our players. unless we’re blowing up the entire d, our best chance of success the next few seasons are to add to what we already have. we do have some excellent players/prospects on that side of the ball. we do not have nearly enough players suited for the 3-4, though, and this does affect the secondary salary-wise. this would take a few years at least, and finding the right nt is always a challenge. he has to be excellent, not just good. i’m sure nolan will take the more direct approach, and i am very excited by his hiring.

mcdaniels i was a bit surprised at, i was sure we would go d. this means the offense is going to see changes in coaches, not what i wanted. this may become a clear break from the old playbook, scripted plays, perhaps even zone-blocking is on the table, now. again, if mac is as smart as i hear, he will let the players suited for that type of offense alone, but dennison, bates, turner… are not guaranteed to return. the new hc is definitely going to bring an offensive coach in to run his offense in some capacity, that being his background, and his playbook. and hey, he may even want to call the plays on gameday. this will be interesting to watch exactly how much power bowlen is going to afford mac, at least in the first year, on the coaching staff/assistants.

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by davecheffy on Jan 12, 2009 4:05 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

too early

They’re going to take some time and evaluate, talk to Xanders, G&G et al, and think about it. They may want to transition (I strongly believe they do want to go 3-4 eventually) and take a little more gradual approach. The rebuilding a boat while crossing a lake story comes to mind.

by Colinski on Jan 12, 2009 8:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

EE

EE would appear to me to be one who could make the switch. He’s inside now at times, so he can play DT, and that’s the type of player who could play DE in the 3-4. He’s got some impressive ‘guns.’ The strong-side DEs in a 4-3 are obvious candidates for a DE in a 3-4. I would be more inclined to question how Engelberger fits in, but his run stopping ability is under-appreciated. And players such as Moss raise questions, but Shanahan suggested during this season that he might move him to OLB, which makes even more sense now.

I had raised the idea of a hybrid scheme, which NE used, which would allow the better defensive players to stay at the current positions but used in situational roles. The idea came to me while reading about what Crennel did in Cleveland. Curiously, Belichick became acquainted with the multi-front scheme while part of the Broncos’ staff.

The history of these developments is pertinent here.

by Colinski on Jan 13, 2009 10:16 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

where the EE poor fit for 3-4 came from

Kliis. I don’t know if he’s right but lets wait and see.

Many more Broncos players, however, are not considered suited for the 3-4, such as defensive linemen Ebenezer Ekuban, Dewayne Robertson and John Engelberger. The Broncos figure to pause before paying Robertson the $4 million roster bonus he is due on March 1.

I’m not a big fan of Kliis, and since he doesn’t explain why he believes EE isn’t suited it’s hard to evaluate his statement. It’s obvious that Robertson wouldn’t like the 3-4 since he said so, and we also know he’s a one-gapper, which may not fit well into a defensive philosophy like the one NE used (although Nolan’s experience may be more important than McDaniels’).

Engelberger is also easier to figure, since he’s a little too small, but he’s shown run stopping ability in the past.

What’s encouraging is the analysis of how Moss and Crowder fit in:

According to NFL scouts, the 3-4 could benefit the likes of Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder, the Broncos’ first-round and second-round picks in the 2007 draft. Although disappointments through their first two seasons, Moss has potential to convert from a defensive end to a stand-up, outside linebacker in the 3-4 and Crowder has the type of skills to play the type of defensive end required.

I’m more concerned with the our ‘future’ DEs (or OLBs) than with our ‘past’ DEs, although I wouldn’t want to discard anyone who has shown the ability to play. However, salary and ‘number’ concerns may trump goodness of fit questions. It’s just hard to do the roster math at this early point. Robertson may be the likeliest release, because of his upcoming bonus along with his poor fit.

BTW — there was one important tidbit; Goodman (the elder) looks like the GM. No real change there.

by Colinski on Jan 13, 2009 11:18 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hybrid defense

Both at Baltimore and at SF Nolan converted from a 4-3 defense to 3-4 defense, sort of. Actually in both cases he went “hybrid” in order to take advantage of the players and skill sets he had at the time.

I expect to see multiple fronts and packages based on the situation.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 13, 2009 11:48 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

very interesting

It was just a guess on my part. The Crennel article’s content seems to imply that his problem came from attempting to work his scheme without adequate personnel. Working with existing talent is a necessary step towards fully implementing a new scheme — it’s unavoidable. It may also be the best way of addressing the growing specialization. The do-it-all, every down talents are getting harder and harder to find, and they make cap stretching salaries, too. It’s easier to find specialists who may also lack something (e.g., Dumervil).

I’ve criticized the “scheme” over “personnel” approach to transitions as a “one size fits all approach,” but it’s never that simple. Scheme is indeed important but it’s not a magic bullet, and you’re also vulnerable as you make the transition, which can jeopardize the very thing you’re attempting to implement. But, we’re not ‘over-burdened’ with quality personnel so worrying about how players will adapt is moot — we DO want a scheme for the incoming personnel to learn. Now is the time for bringing that in.

There are times when you need to overturn the old soil and create fallow ground, in order to grow anew. I think there are players some players who can thrive under the new regime so I’m not worried. This wasn’t a dysfunctional defensive unit as much as it was an neglected one with poor coaching. It’s the dysfunctional underachieving squads that are in need of purges. I don’t see any disgruntled players here, the type you’d want to discard because they’re resistant to change.

by Colinski on Jan 13, 2009 12:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

oops, wrong post. never mind

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by davecheffy on Jan 12, 2009 4:09 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

NT prospects

I wouldn’t assume that we’re going with a NT in the 1st, even though it’s a high need for a 3-4 — and I’m working on the assumption we’ll be in a 3-4 in time.

The assumption that NT is a need; ergo; we need to take the top NT, is poor way of drafting. Raji has enough potential to be considered but merely being the best NT isn’t enough to warrant choosing him. We may simply have to wait until a NT prospect good enough to meet our standards comes along.

I wouldn’t be adverse to drafting Brace, Taylor or Scott in the 2-4 range just to provide some talent at the position for the meanwhile and focusing on the MANY other positions we’ll need to fill. I would also look to free agency, and here’s a name that I’ve proposed before who looks like a NT candidate — Colin Cole. He’s a low cost veteran who’s likely to be more mature and developed, and fits the NT mold pretty well. Fixing the NT position isn’t something that we can necessarily do in one draft and we’re going to have to fill even more positions than we planned so making the right decision is essential — it can’t be forced.

by Colinski on Jan 12, 2009 5:39 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Looks like he already signed his tender offer

But I think you’re onto something with Brace, Taylor or Scott in the middle rounds. I’m hoping for Mays or Maaluga in the first.

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by 53guys on Jan 12, 2009 6:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

UFA

He signed a one year tender offer for 2008 as an exclusive rights free agent. His situation is similar to some of our FAs (Hall, Pears), who signed tender offers. Foxworth, a RFA, was on a tender offer, too, but the ERFAs can’t negotiate with anyone else when they come up for the final year. The one tender offer has to meet certain guidelines and they become an UFA at the end of year.

There are no reports of him signing, and he may not until the FA signing period begins around February 29th (it goes on till the first day of camp, see here for last year’s info).

by Colinski on Jan 12, 2009 8:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

I changed operating systems a little bit ago and lost that post from you – had it marked. I looked him up – 6’1 any direction you measure him. He’ll take up some space, that’s for sure. Nice find.

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by Emmett Smith on Jan 12, 2009 6:32 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

he's ranked about on apar with Cody, and he's a run stopping specialist

I think he makes sense if we’re looking to go with the more cost effective FAs, and he was an All Big Ten performer in his time but was undrafted coming out. He, like Taylor, was a very good wrestler, so he looks like he can anchor. Taylor, of MI, had a very poor season and has dropped, but I would like him as a 4th rounder because of his strength. I think you go cheap for this year and attempt to fill the other spots on the team. We simply need to fill some positions going into the draft or we may not be adequately staffed going into the season. Finding a perfect NT this year just doesn’t look realizable.

by Colinski on Jan 12, 2009 8:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Moala is clearly a 3-4 DE

No question about it really, and he’s much more useful to us if we go 3-4. I would have had reservations on him if we weren’t, although some people were much higher on him before the recent events.

by Colinski on Jan 12, 2009 8:58 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thomas who

Marcus Thomas can not dominate a game in the 3-4 or the 4-3 he is way to small and lacks muscle to shed those blocks he is a bust who can only play second string on ant other team.If you want to talk NT then talk Nata from the Ravens or Hampton from the Steelers.

by thirdandlong303 on Jan 13, 2009 12:49 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

With the likely move to a 3-4

He will play a 3-4 end, which he is definitely not too small to play. In fact, when we toyed with the 3-4 this year, he played very well from a 5-technique position. He was one of the lone bright spots of that retarded 3-4 idea. Hopefully now we have a defensive coordinator that will implement a true 3-4 and refine Thomas’s technique. He could be a major player on defense going forward and I am excited about his potential.

"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09

I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!

by papigrande on Jan 13, 2009 5:23 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...chill on Thomas...he is a good player.

Moala is a USC player, would be a fit in a 3-4 and is actually the cousin of Ngata. Might be worth a look….probably get him in the 2nd.
He can vanish from games though, and you cant have that from a DE in a 3-4 look!

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by boydy2669 on Jan 13, 2009 6:38 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN just reported:

Mays is staying at USC for another year.

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by PosterNutbag on Jan 13, 2009 3:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas sucks

How many tackles did he have?how many sacks did he have? not a lot proves my points he sucks get rid of that bum or we will see another dismal season this fall

by thirdandlong303 on Jan 13, 2009 10:50 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Tackles and sacks aren't always signs of a good DT

Although they certainly don’t hurt. Much like the OL, the DL is often asked to clear the way (i.e. occupy blockers) for others to make the play.

by CoastalBronco on Jan 13, 2009 11:22 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

If you think Marcus Thomas is the only problem with our D,

and starting him is the only reason the D was bad, then….. [Fill in the blank]

"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09

I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!

by papigrande on Jan 13, 2009 5:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

eck is it.

he is the only good fit i see in the front 7 of the proposed 3-4. the rest are too small, our dt’s are too slow for end, the lb’s don’t fit in well at all, moss at olb, are you kidding me? it’s a serious reach, and all new players will be needed to convert. how long do you think that will take, even with great scouting/acquisitions? come on people, this is a horrible idea. the success rate of d’s in transition, the young talent on offense, now, the 2009 schedule… i could do this all day. please, no 3-4, unless you bring me about 10 players now.

taste my blintzkrieg!
2009-year of the defense.

by davecheffy on Jan 13, 2009 3:42 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

move to the3-4 now thereis nothing to loose

I see no reason to wait. Let the growing pains start now rather than prolong them over a couple of seasons. I am also interested to see how some of our players can fit, and optimistic that we can find a gem or 2, maybe 3 among the young talent we have. jarvis moss is a player that i am thinking differently than most, but i think that he is a prospect for de in the 3-4 as much as olb. he has ideal height and obviously would have to add about 30pds. Also i see potential for Thomas, Powel, Crowder to develop at this postition. The olb postion worries me more. I dont see anybody i really think can start their for us. Maybe we have a player or 2 that can help out at olb, moss, doom, and thats about it. I say we sign suggs if he hits the market. That in my opion would be money well spent and maybe the nest most important piece other that a nose taclke for our new defense. i would argue that it is even more important considering all of our talent is in our cbs. If we can get a consistant pass rush we can start to create turnovers again. Which might be enough for the short term with the offense we have. The only other position i would look to improve in free agency is safety. It was undoubtibly the most lacking in talent of any position on our team. Bad enough that i dont know if i am comfortable going to the draft here, rather than bringing in a veteren. Look at Oshiomogho Atogwe from the rams. He had 85 takles 5 picks and 6 forced fumbles, last year he had 8 picks. I havet heard anybody mention him on here before and he is a free agent. Othere than that we need draft the best players on the board at position of need. Trade down if we can since it appears to be a deep draft on defence. Unless b.j. is worth it at 12 then snag him. I just hope we continue to draft like we have started to. Looking at character above all else.

by BryGoodland on Jan 13, 2009 4:31 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

oh ya

and absolutely do not draft a rb on day 1. If 7 rb wasnt enough this year what is another going to do for us. We have 3 guys with decent bodies hillis pitman and torrain and plenty of other backs to switch it up

by BryGoodland on Jan 13, 2009 4:34 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

What about Carlton Powell?

Unless I’ve overlooked it he hasn’t been mentioned so far. He might turn out to be a nose tackle who can play two-gap, or he might be a defensive end in a 3-4. If McDaniels and Nolan make the defensive scheme contingent on the personnel we have we might play a 4-3 with a two-gapper at one tackle spot, if someone shows two-gap ability, then later switch to a 3-4 with that person playing nose tackle.

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by spock on Jan 14, 2009 11:19 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

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