Broncos players with failing grades
by MileHighFros on Jan 13, 2009 9:18 PM MST
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I don't know about the rest of Bronco nation but I'm happy about the clean breath of fresh air that's blown through the Dove Valley front office. It was time for a much needed house cleaning and philosophical change.
So what about the players. I hope it's safe to finally say we won't allow guys like Mike Leach, Chad Mustard, and Nate Jackson to hold down valuable roster spots anymore.
So who was the biggest Bronco disappointment for you this season? What player and who is the right NFL free agent or college draft prospect to take his place?
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Selvin Young
He was coming into camp as the starter saying he put on like 20 lbs of muscle so he could carry the load. Then he comes out and says, " Yea. I’m gonna rush for 2000 yards". Then he goes and plays like 3 games out of the whole season. cut him McD. Hes usless.
In Bowlen We Trust!
by broncoboy on Jan 13, 2009 9:30 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
How many backs on the roster?
I think it’s safe to say with the plethora of middle of the road talent at the position that we could use the room on the roster… unless he’s going to pop off for 2000 yards next year 8^)
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by MileHighFros on Jan 13, 2009 9:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
He’s a change of pace back at best
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jan 13, 2009 10:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
When he's not injured
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan
by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 15, 2009 11:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Jarvis Moss by a landslide
Selvin Young was undrafted, not too much invested. Elvis Dumerville was a 4th round pick, not too much invested. Jarvis Moss was not only drafted in the first round and given tons of loot we also TRADED UP to get him…classic blunder!
The other players on the list produce. Champ and DJ are consumate professionals and Sheff needs to stay healthy and maybe strenghten up
Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan
by Steve O' on Jan 13, 2009 9:32 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
A BUST not for Canton...
I still think Marcus Nash and Ted Gregory are my biggest Bronco busts of all-time… but Jarvis is right there with Willie Middlebrooks at this point. I keep hearing he has the physical tools… but something isn’t translating to the field.
"There's one thing I want you to do for me. Win. Win!" - Rocky II
by MileHighFros on Jan 13, 2009 9:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
But we got JOHN AVERY for Marcus Nash!! HAAA!! Now that is funny!
by Steve O' on Jan 13, 2009 9:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I wake up every day thinking thinking about the John
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by MileHighFros on Jan 13, 2009 10:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I am expecting
the hiring of Nolan and the exit of Bates, soon.
With that said, the entire D-line just needs to be cleaned out. Jarvis Moss is not a pash rusher right now. Though he was hurt, he looks like he should be playing basketball. My thoughts about Bailey are well known. Young has been terrible for a long time. D.J. is still of some use. Who am I most dissappointed in? I can’t say.
Boss and Champ Bailey are not going to be of use to this team when the offense hit their prime. Corners go fast and I think Bly is going to last longer than Champ will. Say whatever you want but his injuries just totally kill us. That and the incompetant D coordinators we have had.
Really, I think you’ll see one of Peppers or Suggs, will Maluagualalala. Barrett gets his starting job and we see J. Williams return kicks now as Royal is the new Wes Welker and B. Marshall plays the role of Moss. Cutler will not see his usual odd bubble screens and we’ll actually have a competant back.
But the pole…Moss, young, and Doom.
McDaniels was the best option for this team. You CAN NOT overfocus on the defense and possibley have Jeremy Bates not progress with Cutler. McDaniels will watch over both sides of the ball, especially the O, while letting a defensive guy handle the D along with an intelligent GM.
Mac Daddy mackin' out Denver!!!
by broncodude793 on Jan 13, 2009 9:34 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Good take on the D
I would be a pretty good fan of the Peppers / Suggs / Maluagua combo. Landing both those FA might be a bit much but the Broncos should definitely go for it. I’m really hoping Nolan’s scheme is going to help disguise blitzes and coverages better. I think the Broncos arguably have the simplest D-scheme in the NFL right now.
"There's one thing I want you to do for me. Win. Win!" - Rocky II
by MileHighFros on Jan 13, 2009 9:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
DJ still of "some" use?
DJ was injured for the first time of his career this year, and is one of the only valuable players on the defense. A healthy D.J. is as good as it gets in the NFL at the weakside. Put him in a competent scheme, or surround him with some talent and he can be a star.
This is also the first time Champ has missed significant time in his tenure with the Broncos.
"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith
by The Heat on Jan 13, 2009 9:50 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
and he's only 26..
"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith
by The Heat on Jan 13, 2009 9:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
for champ
also the first significant missed time in his CAREER
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Jan 13, 2009 10:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The scheme
I’m all for having a cog in the wheel. He was, after all, on pace to lead the league in tackling before the injury. I would also like to see him come up with a few more big plays. I was hoping having Slowik’s system in place for a second year would help the D-line, and ultimately, the whole D. But alas, it’s impossible for DJ or anyone the LB or secondary corp to run around chasing receivers all day without any pressure.
Along with the personnel moves I’m really hoping Nolan’s D scheme will help put players like DJ in better position to make plays.
I want to see DJ scooping up live balls, racing to the end-zone, and putting a hand up to his ear to hear the crowd. At least… once in a while.
"There's one thing I want you to do for me. Win. Win!" - Rocky II
by MileHighFros on Jan 13, 2009 10:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Leach not using valuable roster space?
he’s our long snapper…
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Jan 13, 2009 10:17 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Are the Broncos paying him for media interviews...
because if they can’t coach someone else with better talent and lots more game to do this then we need to show McDaniels, Nolan, and the rest of the coaching staff the door.
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by MileHighFros on Jan 13, 2009 10:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Long snappers are valuable specialists
and you don’t get rid of one who can do the job regardless of what else he can or can’t do. You can’t just grab another, more talented player and teach him to long snap. It’s not one of those things that just anybody can do.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Jan 14, 2009 11:35 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Long snappers
It’s not just the snapping (relatively easy) but what the guy does after the snap, on punts and FG’s.
Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. When the fear has gone past, I will turn to see fear’s path. Where the fear has gone, there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
Bene Gesserit saying. (From Dune, by Frank Herbert)
by bradley on Jan 14, 2009 11:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I'd agree that the snapping part is relatively easy
I’ve seen games in which a substitute long snapper was forced to play and it wasn’t pretty. I still say snapping the ball to a guy seven or ten yards behind you on a line, not to the left or right or at the feet or over the head, looks a lot easier than it actually is.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Jan 14, 2009 11:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus...
Leach also has 25 special-teams tackles as a Bronco during the regular season, and 1 more in the postseason. So not only is he the only guy who can long snap, he’s also one of the few who can make tackles on ST…
Good Riddance Scott O’Brien
by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 14, 2009 12:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Those were Leach’s stats through the ’07 season. He had 3 more ST tackles this year, bringing his total to 28 during the regular season as a Bronco and 1 more in the playoffs.
Plus, he recovered Troy Brown’s fumbled punt in the playoff game vs. the Pats…
by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 14, 2009 12:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He's also the backup punter and emergency QB.
Don’t forget that! Plus, he also plays tight end if we need him to.
He snaps the ball to himself, steps up to punt, aaaaand IT’S A FAKE! He looks to pass, throws, and it’s caught by.. HIMSELF! 20 yards downfield! And he lays two blocks for himself and is into the end zone!! TOUCHDOWN!
"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09
I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!
by papigrande on Jan 14, 2009 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
If hes the backup punter.. He has to snap the ball to himself?
by RiG on Jan 14, 2009 5:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe this was discussed in detail
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 14, 2009 5:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
and no
it isn’t a rickroll.
Its funnier.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 14, 2009 5:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He kinda reminds me of...
Bradlee Van Pelt… except with less value.
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by MileHighFros on Jan 13, 2009 10:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He's the deadest weight in the NFL
"There's one thing I want you to do for me. Win. Win!" - Rocky II
by MileHighFros on Jan 13, 2009 10:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Did you not watch the Steelers game this year?
I wouldn’t call a long snapper dead weight.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Jan 13, 2009 10:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. It is important
But to have a guy on the 53-man roster with no other talent making six figures? I’m just saying they need a guy that can make a bigger contribution on special teams and fill in on the O-line if there was an injury. As much as I’m NOT a fan of Nate Jackson… that’s exactly why he’s make the team several years in a row.
"There's one thing I want you to do for me. Win. Win!" - Rocky II
by MileHighFros on Jan 13, 2009 10:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Fun Post
But there are 25 other teams that would salivate to get Leach. When’s the last time you saw him just blow a snap? He’s been golden for years.
I enjoy the post, MHF, but you’re missing on Leach.
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Jan 14, 2009 11:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Leach is money
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jan 14, 2009 11:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Mike Leach is far from dead weight. Nate Jackson was making some big-time catches before he was hurt, and Chad Mustard is only on the roster when injuries warrant it. He was re-signed when Jackson got hurt, I believe. Mustard also showed some decent receiving ability at the end of the 2007 season.
by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 14, 2009 11:35 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson making big-time catches
except that one in the NE game when he dropped a first down pass that caused Jay to say something along the lines of “Catch the effing ball!”.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan
by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 15, 2009 12:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Leach is money
If this article is to be believed, he has NEVER muffed a long snap:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/08/28/leach0903/index.html
I certainly don’t remember him muffing any, but I haven’t seen every broncos game in the past 8 years.
by appleshampoo on Jan 14, 2009 4:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I remember one in Ny this year, but Kern made an outstanding play and saved the day
Otherwise I agree, he is one of the best in the business
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by Broncoman on Jan 14, 2009 4:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
and rec’d!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan
by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 15, 2009 12:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If you had seen a few games where a team's long snapper went down
and somebody else had to fill in, often disastrously, you’d be singing a different tune. A good long snapper is never dead weight.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Jan 14, 2009 11:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
In addition
he is our emergency fourth string quarterback. Leach is valuable.
It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08
by firstfan on Jan 14, 2009 2:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is emergency 3rd-string?
Just curious…have never heard specifically and we’ve only carried 2 on the depth chart for several years now.
by appleshampoo on Jan 14, 2009 4:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I could be full of it
But I think it is Mustard.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jan 14, 2009 4:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i think its webster
hes more of scrambling QB. hes awesome at missing tacklers… no wait thats TACKLES
by robbo650 on Jan 14, 2009 4:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, cost them the game
Long snapper tweaks his knee and a LB (I believe) had to come in and snapped it over the punters head twice. Once for a safety (if I remember correctly).
Definitely need to keep Leach on the team. Besides rarely (if ever) muffing a snap, he’s usually down field to make the tackle or down the ball on punts. And, with as edgy as kickers are, they are a vital cog in the snap, set, kick rhythm of place kicking.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan
by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 15, 2009 12:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This was a tough question because so many Broncos were dissapointing this year.
Doom was definitely a dissapointment. A boo boo on the pinky is all it takes to turn DOOM to Dum?
Champ? Yes. Really? Missed half the season for a what? I think he just didn’t care to play. Oh..and his brother? Don’t get me started.
Selvin? 2000 yards…really? 2000? okay?
DJ? Pretty quite over there at WILL.
What about our saviour at MLB Koutovides? Or Prater? Obviously Jarvis Moss and Crowder…DROB was a dissapointment. So was Marcus Thomas to a lesser extent. We confirmed that Dre Bly sucks. Our safeties? OMG…wtf?
Even Brandon Marshall promised 130 receptions at one point. Cutler didn’t do so well cutting down on the INTs like he promised. And what about Torain? Wasn’t that guy our new TD?
This will be remembered as a season chock full of dissapointment.
I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jan 13, 2009 10:23 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
And you can throw the entire Broncos defense in as one of the biggest football dissapointments I’ve ever experienced.
That was an f’ing disaster.
I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jan 13, 2009 10:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair..
I didn’t put Niko on here because he’s just that bad. I applauded the Goodman’s for several of the personnel moves this year… but were they the masterminds of that one as well?
"There's one thing I want you to do for me. Win. Win!" - Rocky II
by MileHighFros on Jan 13, 2009 10:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Champ just didn't care to play?
Come on, get real. He wanted to play in the worst way possible. Few players, and certainly none as competitive as Champ, want to sit on the sidelines. Guys don’t become football players because they like to watch games. They want to play. It was the coaches who held Bailey out.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Jan 14, 2009 11:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know...but it was very frustrating to see him miss so many games for a seemingly minor injury.
I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jan 14, 2009 11:50 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The key word is
seemingly minor. For the things a DB has to do moving laterally is a must, and because he couldn’t do that the injury wasn’t as minor as it might have been at a different position. I was frustrated too at having our best defensive player on the bench, but let’s not blame Bailey.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Jan 14, 2009 11:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a way to understand the problem
1. Have an ex-wife or ex-lover kick you in the cojones as hard as possible.
2. Go cover Randy Moss
Now you understand.
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Jan 14, 2009 12:21 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
ROTFLMAO
Awesome, awesome, awesome Bear!
Seriously guys and gals…a “minor” groin muscle pull is actually very painful when moving about to the point of cringing with every step. And that is just from my experience with walking, let alone trying to run and keep up with routes that WRs are running.
The kick to the Jimmy will give you an idea for sure, but it isn’t exactly the same as every step you take sending a sharp, stabbing pain up your groin.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jan 14, 2009 2:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
Way to put it into context Bear!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan
by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 15, 2009 12:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Spoken like a man who's never had a groin injury
aka MN Bronco
by pubkeeper on Jan 14, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
dude...I've had a groin pull.
I played Lacrosse for nearly 10 years and football for 3. Never did it keep me out for more than two weeks. Don’t make assumptions.
I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jan 14, 2009 9:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
A pull isn't a tear
Actually, it is, but it’s a matter of degree. And although we categorize strain/sprains in three ‘levels’ there are as many as there are people.
And yes, I’ve had a groin injury. Mine involved a ligament that attaches to the right ‘one of two’ if you follow (It’s cosmically meaningful to me that I’m talking about this to a guy named ‘nutbag’…) It really changed my month. I was a semi-pro athlete for over 15 years and that one still makes me cringe a little. It didn’t require surgery – I have a lot of sympathy for the guys who do. Nasty stuff.
Some keep you out for a week or two. Some for a season or two. You can’t judge how other sprains or tears are by ones you had. A bad enough one will keep you off the field, I promise.
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Jan 14, 2009 10:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I’m dying here with the groin pull / “Nutbag” thing…too too funny.
A good point to make here though is that your groin pulls while minor kept you out for up to two weeks. It isn’t something you can just “Bronco-up” and play through.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jan 15, 2009 9:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's it.
And a tear usually means surgery, and/or 8 weeks out
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Jan 15, 2009 12:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest disappointment
was Niko. He was supposed to be the new MLB, the leader of this defense, and he couldn’t even crack the starting line, hell he couldn’t make the second team. We used a rookie instead of Niko!
He is so symbolic of so many FA failures! It makes you wonder why we weren’t worse than we were, oh wait, we did set a record didn’t we.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 13, 2009 10:26 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Where to start? ? ?
I think the biggest disappointment was Dwayne Robertson. He may have actually made the D-line worse. . .
Sheffler was great, i think he is the most important piece to the passing game. Cutler plays better with Sheffler in the game, he is a bigger go to player than even B-Marsh.
Selvin Young was never disappointing because he was all talk from the beginning. He was never going to get near 20-25 carries a game.
DJ Williams was playing decent until he got hurt. Poor kid hasn’t had any consistency since he was drafted, and next year won’t be any better. I’m hoping that he transitions into a good middle linebacker in the 3-4 alignment.
Doom is. . .well he didn’t have any help and I don’t think he is big enough to have a good bull rush which diminishes his speed and quickness. I was hoping that he would turn into another Simon Fletcher, but I think he won’t be around for very much longer. Dissapointing yes, but more because of the D-line and less because of him.
Champ is getting older. He struggled from injuries, but I would rather have Champ than Bly. I would rather have a hurt Champ than Bly from his pro bowl years. Champ may get beat, but he is the only DB that can tackle in the open field and he seals the outside better than most linebackers.
Jarvis F’n Moss. . .he reminds me of JR Smith of the Nuggets. Talent is there, but I don’t think the IQ is very high. He needs alot of work just to be a third down specialist. When he was drafted I was thinking he could be the next Mike Croel, but I don’t think he will come even close to Croel’s career sack total of 24.
by D-fence on Jan 13, 2009 11:49 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
JR Smith is 1.00 X 10^27 the player that Jarvis Moss is (that's my attempt at scientific notation...it's been awhile ;-)
JR Smith could turn into one of the best players in the league if he can get his head on right…Jarvis Moss will be lucky to ever play consistently.
I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jan 13, 2009 11:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My only issue with this post
is that Jarvis Moss wasn’t expected to play every single down. I’m sorry, he just wasn’t. If you expected that of him, you didn’t pay close enough attention to him in college. He’s too slight to ever be a very effective run stopper, and his one major strength was his elite speed. A guy that had his speed is able to go around tackles a lot of times, but I think Moss lost some of that when he got hurt. He’s a guy I want coming in to the game to pin his ears back and terrorize the QB. I would love for him to develop into an all-around beast, but I think it’s unrealistic. All we should be asking for at this point is for him to turn into a 10 sack guy.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 14, 2009 12:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
and that is exactly why I would consider him nowhere near the potential or talent of JR Smith .
Kind of an apples to oranges comparison really. But it’s all for fun. ;-)
I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jan 14, 2009 8:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
although after last night's game...
I’m starting to reconsider. 1-14 in a little over 30 minutes of playing time? Ouch!
I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!
by PosterNutbag on Jan 14, 2009 8:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
So we traded up in the first round to draft a SITUATIONAL pass rusher?
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Jan 14, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell you what
The trading up wasn’t something I addressed at all, but I was dead set against it. It was a terrible move in my mind, and I hated it then, too. Yes, we did trade up to draft a situational pass rusher in the first round, but his ceiling was a game changing pass rusher. If you honestly thought Moss was going to come in, bulk up, maintain his speed, and become a dominant all around DE, you’re insane. Everyone here seems to think that because you get drafted in the first round you’r expected to be a great all around player.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 14, 2009 8:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If they would have used dj williams right they could of got more out of him!
former LB Bill Romo was slow but was used right by former broncos defensive Qs.
Thats why he always had so many timley sacks and frequent pressures .
by broncosfaninphilly on Jan 14, 2009 4:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
Mike Leach holds a valuable spot because he’s a valuable player. Long Snapping is only taken for granted until you have a guy who can’t do it.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 14, 2009 12:24 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
at six figures
that a pittance in the NFL these days.
There are much bigger anchors on this team that are making seven figures that need to go.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan
by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 15, 2009 12:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say my biggest dissappointment was MLB in general
They signed Niko and he couldn’t beat out Nate Webster, then he couldn’t beat out a rookie, and then he couldn’t beat out a streat free agent, that is a horribel siging. My answer, bring in Rey Maualuga, 1st rund no brainer pick, brings playmakingability, attitude, and physical tools you can’t teach as far as size and speed he has.
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by Broncoman on Jan 14, 2009 10:52 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I voted Selvin Young, but I say we keep him for his threat as a 3rd down back.
I love him on screen passes.
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Jan 14, 2009 10:55 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
No Room
Hillis, Torain, and Alridge (as the change-o-pace) are already at TB and Selvin can’t play FB, though I wonder if McD likes FB’s.
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by pubkeeper on Jan 14, 2009 10:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Bye bye Young
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jan 14, 2009 11:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+3
dON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU, sELVIN.
"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09
I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!
by papigrande on Jan 14, 2009 2:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops...
Damn Caps Lock and me looking at the keyboard while I type.
"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09
I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!
by papigrande on Jan 14, 2009 2:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Tatum than Selvin.
In fact, if he’s finally got his head around the idea that he’s a 10-12 carry change of pace back who wants a relevant NFL career, then he’s a keeper. He’s good for 5-8 TDs a season if used correctly and motivated.
by jaffe28 on Jan 14, 2009 4:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
At the end of the season Tatum proved that he is at least worthy of competing for a spot next year. Plus, he doesn’t get hurt as often as Selvin and his fumble numbers are not actually all that bad. I liked the way he came out against San Diego, as if he had something to prove.
"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09
I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!
by papigrande on Jan 14, 2009 4:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+100
I remember when we brought him back a lot of fans were bemoaning him. I was totally right about him though…he did a solid job for us and did a great job hanging onto the rock. Also, he was the one bright spot in our final game…those two he took to the house were awesome runs that shows what he is capable of.
He’s a darn good back. I think he has his ego in check and should stay with us though. He’s a player and a playmaker.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jan 14, 2009 4:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i think his ego
was taken care of while selling LG’s at a mall kiosk
by robbo650 on Jan 14, 2009 5:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That would do it for me for sure if I were in his shoes.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jan 14, 2009 5:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
and i do agree with you
he is definately a play maker at RB
by robbo650 on Jan 14, 2009 5:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He definitely was humbled
and I was one of those that was pleasantly surprised at how well he did.
If he understands his role (which I’m sure he’ll take given his previous line of work), I think he might have a chance at taking the place of one of my favorites in Alridge.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 15, 2009 12:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Nolan can get the Broncos away from the Ole! defense
The Ole! defense shows the pseudo “effort” of an attempt to stop an opposing offense (Much like bullfighting).
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Jan 14, 2009 12:01 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Doom
And here’s why:
I HOPED Jarvis would have a great year, but I didn’t EXPECT him to.
I HOPED Young would live up to his talk, but I didn’t expect him to.
I was SURE Doom would continue to be a sack machine. He wasn’t. Not even close. People say it’s because of a poor D-Line. Was the D-Line any better last year? No. I think what happened was he got a name so opposing teams studied film, figured out his moves and that was that. If we go to a 3-4, I suspect he will be traded. yes, he may potentially have some value at OLB, but that is not an easy transition and we already have DJ and Woodyard. Jarvis would make a better Will in the 3-4 then Doom.
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by EastCoastBronco on Jan 14, 2009 12:09 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
traded?
Do you really think so? I sometimes think us fans think that NFL trades happen all the time ala the NBA, NHL or MLB… I’d be surprised to see us move him unless the deal was too good to pass up.
I wish Woody Paige was our coach!
by bcfunk on Jan 14, 2009 12:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Here’s what I see. He is too small to play DE in a 4-3 and is only successful due to amazing amounts of will power. And even then he’s a pass rush specialist only. No way he plays in a 3-4 where the ends need to be bigger then in the 4-3. So that leaves 3 options
1) Move him to ROLB – The transition from DE to OLB is a tough one. Even studs like DeMarcus Ware have had set backs. I think even at OLB Doom is too small. I just don’t see it working. Jarvis would be much better (IMO) as a converted OLB.
2) Cut him – Well, that’s just no fun. We don’t get anything for him and, quite frankly, that’s just a harsh way to part ways with our best DL-man.
3) Trade him – There has to be a team out there who is set enough in their base personell that they have room for a pass rush specialist like him. That way we get some value and he gets to go somewhere that he will fit-in and get to play.
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by EastCoastBronco on Jan 14, 2009 12:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
or...
4) use him as a situational substitute, a pass rushing specialist. Everyone seems to have this very rigid concept of 3-4 vs. 4-3 all or nothing at all. There seems to be a trend toward hybrid defenses that use specialists like pass rushers. You insert a guy like Doom in obvious pass rushing situation where you no longer need the bigger 2-gap DE.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 14, 2009 2:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
How much are we paying him to do that?
If he’s still making a below-average salary, I’m all for it. But I don’t want to be wasting $3 or 4 million on a specialist.
"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09
I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!
by papigrande on Jan 14, 2009 2:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not even close!
Elvis Dumervil, Defensive End, Broncos $551,230.00 he is considered one of the best bang-for-the-buck players even as a specialist.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 14, 2009 5:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Part of DOOM's problem
was his broken finger. He said that because of the cast, he wasn’t able to get the push off the tackle that he had been able to get in the past and had to rely on his speed rush (which usually ended up with him beyond the pocket and no time to recover).
I doubt that he would ever be a full-time DE, though. He just doesn’t have the size to be an effective run stopper.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan
by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 15, 2009 12:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree SWG
In a lot of third down situations, a 3-4 defense goes to 6 d-backs and 4 down lineman. He would be perfect in that role. Actualy, it would be a nice change from Slowik droping our fourth lineman into coverage and rushing only three in obvious passing downs.
by danelama on Jan 14, 2009 6:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
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