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I have a few thoughts

So I was laying in bed last night thinking about my beloved Broncos.  I was thinking I would post my thoughts on here.  Kinda scary huh?  I was laying in bed thinking of you guys.  Relax.  It ain't like that.  Your thought s on my thoughts would be greatly appreciated...

1.  I think I'm ok with the Shanahan firing.  Initially I was really upset since I am a huge "Shanafan".  Now that I've had time to think about it and throw some positive spins on it, I think we will be alright.  Maybe Mike's message had gotten stale.  I don't want to say the players needed fresh ideas or anything like that.  Most players get that stuff all the time.  1/3 of most rosters get turned over every year and Denver is definitely in that most group.  I'm guessing the message got stale to Pat Bowlen. 

2.   I think Pat Bowlen took a  HUGE  gamble firing Shanahan  to get McDaniel.  Yes I think he wanted McDaniel the whole time.  I hate to be a conspiracy theorist but that is what I'm thinking.  Pat Bowlen saw a younger version of Mike Shanahan working in New England and wanted him really bad.  With the 3 mediocre years in a row for his team, his decision was easier to make.  I'm guessing he did not have a plan B for a coach if he didn't get his guy.  I'll just say he would have hired a defensive guy so the fans wouldn't burn his house down.

3.  I think hiring a defensive guy like Spagnoulo or Frazier or the Tampa guy would have been a mistake.  We have fantastic personnel on the offensive side of the ball.  That is the strength of this team.  On defense, we have basically what amounts to 2 excellent players, some average players,  and the rest is garbage.  Tony Dungy was brought in to build the D in Indy.  They have, for the most part, had bad defenses since he has been there.  Brian Billick was brought in to Baltimore to build the offense.  They, for the most part, had bad offenses.  While both of these coaches won Superbowls, it was not because of what they specialize in.  I don't really know where I'm going with this.  These 2 guys may be bad examples.  I just think Pat made the right decision hiring Josh McDaniels.

4.  I think part of the reason for hiring McD was to hopefully make Jay Cutler play more like Tom Brady.  I love having Jay at the helm.  His physical tools put Tom Brady's to shame.  Tom Brady's mental tools put Jay Cutler's to shame.  Oh my freaking God can you imagine the possibilities if Jay Cutler had the ability to find the open guy like Brady does.  McD has to be drooling.  I think he knows Cutler easily has the mental tools to play like Brady.

5.  I think our defense will be bad for a long time.  It comes down to players and we don't have them.  We need d-line, we need d-line, we need d-line!  I don't care if we bring in Jesus Christ to coach the D.  Without players, it ain't gonna work!  We need d-line, we need d-line, we need d-line!   Did I mention we need d-line?

6.  I think Jarvis Moss will be out of the NFL in 2 years.  He will play for us next year and again do nothing.  He will be released and someone will pick him up and again do nothing.  He will be released again and done.  Believe you me.  I'm not happy about it.  I will be more than happy to eat crow on this one.

7.  I think our d-line is an absolute joke.  O-lines have to look forward to playing our d-line.  I'm still holding out hope on Marcus Thomas, but everybody else is a back-up on other teams.  I like Engleberger being that he is a fellow Hokie, but he is a back up.   Ebenezer is a past his prime player whose prime was just ok.  He is a back up.  DRob is alright.  He is a back up.  Our d-line is full of basically back up players with only 1 with potential.  And I don't think it's star potential.  He has potential to be better than a back up.  Did I mention we need d-line?

8.  I think we need a nice, quiet, uneventful, everybody forget about him, off-season from Brandon Marshall.

9.  Cutler, Sheff, and Marshall need to go back to Florida this summer and work out together again.  Eddie, you are invited too.

10.  As much as I hate the MSM and the disrespect they show the Broncos, they are right.  With the exception of 2005, we have done nothing since 1999.

11.  We don't need anymore running backs!  I've read some people on here saying we need to draft a durable RB.  They break down.  Period.  You treat a running back like an outlaw treats his horse.  You ride that nag till it drops!

12.  Mike Shanahan and the Broncos have been snake bit by injuries more than any team the last 3 years.  I have no facts to back that up, but it HAS to be true.  A testament to the greatness of Shanahan.

13.  Did I mention we need d-line?

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I hope you are wrong

about Moss being out of the league in a few years, but it looks like that could be a possibility. Reggie Nelson, we should have taken ya. Ryan Harris is, by far, the best pick from that 07 draft right now, with Thomas second.

by PABroncofan on Jan 16, 2009 8:12 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

1. As I’ve thought about it, I agree that moving on from Shanahan (sounds better than “firing Shanahan”, lol) was the right thing to do. As an offensive schemer, he is among the all-time greats. As someone who did truely care about his players, he was a good man. As a GM and all-around franchise runner…he left quite a bit to be desired.

2. I have no evidence to suppor the theory, and no evidence to say it isn’t true. Wouldn’t surprise me, but at least Bowlen made it LOOK like he was looking at all options.

3. Count me on board the initial “ZOMG, we NEEEEED a defensive-minded head coach!!!!” bandwagon. But the wonderfully intelligent people at MHR have changed my mind: we need a head coach to run the whole TEAM, and a good D-coordinator to make the defense into something better than atrocious. I think both have happened.

4. I, too, have had this thought. And like Jedi McD must do…I start to drool.

5. I disagree…I think we need d-line. :) Honestly, I think the Denver defense will be better this year…maybe even in the low 20s! There are some players there, but they need to be used. The more I think about it, the more going with a 3-4 makes sense with the current personnel…assuming, of course, that there is a NT out there somwhere…

6. Again, this is one reason I think Denver would be wise to go with a 3-4. Moss has always been described as a LB-DE tweener…all the better to move him to a rush linebacker spot.

7. Back to the 3-4: Marcus Thomas as DE, someone else plugging away at the other DE spot, and pick up a NT. I won’t say “there, fixed”, but IMO, it’s going in the right direction.

8. Yes, please!

9. Yes, please!

10. Unfortunately, this is true. sigh

11. I would have no problem with a late-round RB or two in this draft. But it is NOT a pressing requirement. Current NFL trends are showing that a platoon of solid backs with different skill sets is effective (even if it’s a fantasy owner’s nightmare).

12. My impression: with no evidence, I would have to agree with you!

13. Huh? D-line? What about it? :)

~Uffdah

by Disco_Stu on Jan 16, 2009 8:31 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Moss and Thomas

Both only played 2 years or less in college. Moss missed time due to a mysterious infection and Thomas was kicked off the team more than once only playing in 3-4 games his last year so with some much needed experience they still could become productive. It made no sense to sit out a healthy Moss and Crowder while a bum like Engleberger was hurt and stinking up the field. I live in Florida and watch every game the Gators play. They both showed potential while here but needed more experience.

The only difference between insanity and genius is percecption

by Markus2112 on Jan 16, 2009 8:56 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Moss's infection was a staph infection in his pelvis

He lost 30 lbs, and was 6-6 and wasted down to about 210 lbs. I still believe he is redeemable

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Jan 16, 2009 4:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that it may be too soon to give up on them, but they really need to show some improvement this next year

If Moss can’t beat out the guys in front of him he needs to go.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman

by Broncoman on Jan 16, 2009 4:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

last year for the jury to be out on Moss.

I sympathize with his story, and I find it intriguing and interesting as to what he is going through to recapture his talent and potential.

And sometimes I wish it was a story being told to some other team…

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 16, 2009 5:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Can Moss Play OLB in a 3-4? How about Dumervill?

While it is too soon to say with certainty that the Broncos will adopt a 3-4, let’s assume that they do. They do not have a prototype nose tackle on the roster. So, they need two. Marcus Thomas can play DE in a 3-4 (where the ends play more like tackles in a 4-3). Some of the other lineman from ’08 could probably stick around to add depth.

Moss could not play DE in a base 3-4 (at least as most teams currently play it). He does not have the mass to play that role. So, that means he (and Elvis Dumervill) will need to play OLB in a 3-4. Moss is 6-6. Most 3-4 OLB are not that tall. He will need to do more than rush the pasher — that includes playing the run and dropping back into coverage. I am not sure about his ability to do the latter. I think that if he sticks around it will be as a 3rd down pash specialist type.

What about Dumervill in a 3-4? He might be able to be an every down guy at OLB, but I am not sure. Any thoughts?

by ColoradoOwl on Jan 17, 2009 1:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of people share that question, and it's a good one.

Dumervill would seem to have some of the qualities required, but the team would need to try him out. It’s a cop out answer, but I think the answer is that the team will need to put him through the drills to see how he looks. Off hand, I think he’d have a reasonable shot.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Jan 17, 2009 6:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post!

I agree with most of your points. I hope you are wrong about Moss, but I have no reasons to think you’re not at this stage. I, too was devastated by Shanny’s firing and was thinking defensive guy the whole way. But you’re right, the most important thing for the next head coach to do is continue the development of Cutler and Company. It would have been a crying shame to bring a coach in who just focuses on defense and running the ball. Next thing you know, we’ve reverted back to 1980’s John Elway with run, run, pass. We need someone who will let Cutler do his thing. Yes, Shanny was that guy too, but his management of the overall football operations was not that great.

I do believe we need another running back. The only player I’m counting on for ‘09 at this point is Peyton Hillis, and he’s coming off injury. I have hope for Torain and Alridge, but let’s get real – they are also coming off injury, Torain has never been healthy and Alridge was an UFA. That doesn’t mean they won’t be good, but it would be foolish to expect big things out of them. Hope for them, but don’t rely upon them. Tatum is still what he was the first time around – a 10 carry per game running back.

I will disagree about the injury/luck thing. Perhaps this year was unusual at the RB position, but I don’t think the Broncos are snake-bitten when it comes to injuries. Football is a violent game, and injuries are part of the deal. I would actually say the Broncos are the opposite – think about this for a moment…when’s the last time the Broncos lost their top QB or WR for a prolonged period of time? Honestly, I can only think of losing Griese for a few games in 2000. That’s it, really. Elway missed a few games in ’98 but that team was a well-tuned machine as Bubby proved. This team has avoided catastrophic injuries, and teams that win find a way to deal with losing players.

Terrific post, recommended!

by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 16, 2009 9:30 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

RE #5

I agree with you guys on pretty much everything, but honestly I feel that if our D is even marginal next year (low 20s) and Cutler picks up McD’s system quickly enough (Matt Cassell seemed to pick it up pretty fast, but let’s remember he had the benefit of training camp), some of last year’s Ls could become next years Ws. Of course, for better or for worse, McD is not Shanahan, and some of last year’s Ws could become Ls, as well. So although I am excited and hopeful, until we actually see some inspired D and a full implementation on O, I’m sort of expecting a season similar to last year’s. It may be 2010 before we are consistently competitive again. But either way, I love my team and am definitely excited and hopeful. Go Broncos!!

Win or lose, do it fairly. -- Knute Rockne

by broncosmontana on Jan 16, 2009 9:34 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Matt Cassell seemed to pick it up pretty fast, but let’s remember he had the benefit of training camp

That should probably have been “the benefit of 3+ years in the system as a backup”. Anyhoo, ttyl.

Win or lose, do it fairly. -- Knute Rockne

by broncosmontana on Jan 16, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, I agree about 2010...

The more I think about it, the more I think this team isn’t really that close. The problem, when you look at the 2008 season, is that the Broncos won most of their close games (6-2 in games decided by 7 points or less) and got blown out in most of their losses (5 games by at least 14 points). That is not really the mark of a team that’s almost there…much better to be winning blowouts and losing close ones. Obviously, the flip side is that you want your team to learn how to win the close games. So it’s good to get that under their belts, but they need to stop getting blown out of the water. Keep in mind, a few things out of their control gave the Broncos victories – the Hochuli Call, the drop by Roddy White and the missed FG by Gramatica. Take those away, and it’s a 5-11 season…and when you consider the defense’s play, 5-11 doesn’t sound that crazy. I know it’s been said plenty of times, but it just goes to show that Shanny did quite a job coaching this team in 2008. Obviously, Shanny the GM put a horrific defense on the field and that’s why he’s gone…

by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 16, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd comment

and rec’d original post.

great points throughout.

by CoastalBronco on Jan 16, 2009 10:27 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

But where do you stand with regard to our d-line?

LOL! I have to disagree with you on the long-term prediction of woe for our defense. If we draft wisely and make the right personnel moves, I see no reason why we won’t have a competitive defense in 2 years. Yes, 2 years. I think what we’ve sorely missed in Denver is an “attitude” of defense. Even during our glory years (96-98), we were fortunate to have savy vets and incredible defensive leadership (Romo, Atwater, Braxton, Traylor, etc). I’ve always felt our “talent” on that side of the ball during our SB years was still suspect. We simply blitzed like crazy and tried to force the offense into as many errors as possible, knowing our offense with John and TD could usually dominate on their side of the ball. But I’d be lying if I didn’t believe I thought we had an avg defense those years. It’s been decades since we’ve had anything akin to a stud-Ravens/Steelers/Eagles D since the Orange Crush era. The more I consider the upcoming draft, the more I think it’s critical to rank “leadership” as high as “talent”, “gifted-athlete”, “upside”, etc…. We need someone to rally the troops…

I wish Woody Paige was our coach!

by bcfunk on Jan 16, 2009 10:00 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

The more I consider the upcoming draft, the more I think it’s critical to rank "leadership" as high as "talent", "gifted-athlete", "upside", etc

Ironically, I believe this was Shanahan’s approach the last few years.

aka MN Bronco

by pubkeeper on Jan 16, 2009 10:27 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Seems to me Shanahan greatest failing as scouting or drafting players was to go off the triangle numbers and not see if the guy is a good football player or leader, the past draft I think we started looking more at the character and ability to play football versus how fast a guy is or how big or strong he is, I can’t remember the amount of WR that had blazing numbers but couldn’t catch a ball or run a route.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman

by Broncoman on Jan 16, 2009 12:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Darius Watts, Marcus Nash, Ashley Lelie, Travis McGriff, Chris Cole…

Too bad Hixon didn’t sneak through waivers, otherwise we’d have a young, quality 4th receiver…

by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 16, 2009 1:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I had forgotten the names, but not the shame

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman

by Broncoman on Jan 16, 2009 2:07 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Lelie could catch as long as it was acrobatic. Just don’t put the ball in his hands.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 16, 2009 4:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

"Upside"

and “steal” were our downfall for years…

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 16, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you, bc, about the defense during the Super Bowl years.

I was always worried when it came down to the defense stopping the last drive to win. I know they did it to beat the Packers in the Super Bowl, but I was on pins and needles. Thank God it was Farve back there.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Jan 16, 2009 12:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post and love the Avatar

2. Time will tell if McDaniels is a young Shanahan or not, but the big issue I got with that is the “young” Shanahan failed as a coach the first time in Oakland and had to have a heavily vetren team to suceed in Denver, so I hope that is not the same fate as McD.

3. Everyone knows who I wanted, and maybe in two years Cowher will be hear (oh how dreamy), but I don’t think you can dismiss having a defensive minded coach, what the team needs is a serious attitude adjustment regardless of the coach, I think a defensive minded coach could also suceed, but we will see.

Points 4 through 13 couldn’t agree more.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman

by Broncoman on Jan 16, 2009 11:36 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

McDaniels & Cutler

McDaniels, on top of being the offensive coordinator in NE, was also the quarterbacks coach. Obviously, having a guy like Tom Brady probably made life a little easier, but Josh seemed to do a pretty good job of bringing Matt Cassel along as well (for example, his pocket presence was terrible at first and improved dramatically as the season went on). I would say that Cutler’s in good hands, as far as that goes.

Oh yeah, and what are your thoughts on the D-Line? =P

by NESilver on Jan 16, 2009 4:27 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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