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Defensive Backfield - it was offensive

Having already analyzed the D-line and Linebackers it's time to take a look at the defensive backfield. Like the defense in general, a poor backfield from 2007 turned even worse in 2008. What's surprising is that, as bad as the Broncos were on pass defense, they weren't the worst pass defense and were statistically better at pass defense than run defense. However, that may merely be a condemnation of our run defense. Let's discuss the players, their performance, and their possible future with the team.

 

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Safety

The revolving door at safety was a joke this year. Last year the Broncos convinced John Lynch to restructure his contract only to later release him and let Ferguson leave to Houston since Abdullah was the project starter. Only Abdullah was cut without ever starting a game. This comi-tragedy reached its zenith with the signing then release of Rodgers. Even the casual fan had to wonder if anyone on the defensive staff had any idea what they were doing. On to the players:

Marlon McCree - Broncos fans found out quickly why SD let McCree go. I can't say he was the worst safety in the league, but he certainly didn't look like a starter. Some of that may be the system and the complete absence of pressure on the QB. McCree is a FA and his play just doesn't warrant his $2mill cap hit. Unless he is willing to take a substantial pay cut I just can't see paying for his services in 2009.

Marquand Manual - When he was healthy, Manual seemed to spend most of his time as the 8th man in the box. Essentially he was an undersized LB in a 4-4 defense, if you can call it that. Like McCree, I just don't see the upside in keeping another backup at starter salary. Manual will likely be cut to make cap room for FAs or draft picks.

Josh Barret - one of the few surprises in the backfield (at least pleasant ones) was this rookie's play. In the KC game he gave as good as he got matched up on Tony Gonzales. Only time well tell if Barret has what it takes to truly be a starting safety on the NFL, but for now he seems to be Denver's best option at safety.

Vernon Fox, Herana-Daze Jones - all I can really say about these two is that they came in when everyone else went down. They weren't particularly good, but they weren't any worse than any of the other players we rotated through the tag-team backfield. I don't know if either of these guys will be back or not. I hope not, because that would mean we haven't signed any better prospects at safety.

Cornerbacks

Champ Baily - The biggest problem with Champ, actually the only problem, was that we couldn't get him on the field. A groin injury in the NE game sidelined him until the final game and he obviously wasn't fully recovered at that time. In a testament to his toughness, Baily sustained a dislocated elbow (an injury that put Torain on IR) on the first series of the SD game. Knowing a playoff spot was on the line he had it popped back into place and played through the pain. Last week he had surgery to repair the elbow. Some fans have suggested trading Champ but his contract makes that idea salary cap nonsense. Besides, why would you trade the best player, a guy who is a true leader, at a time like this? One intriguing idea is to convert Champ to safety. In the hierarchy of defensive players, all-pro cornerbacks are much more prestigious than safeties, but the concept is intriguing none the less.

Dre Bly- most fans seem to have a love/hate relationship with Bly. He has never produced the interceptions for Denver that were expected of him. But, then, no one has during his tenure. Once Bailey went down, Bly seemed to step up and was a solid player, recording 1/3 of Denver's interceptions (OK that's only two but it's better than anyone else). Many expert observers, including our own HT, think Bly is still a quality CB with safety help over the top. He showed signs of it in the NYJ game when we finally played two safeties. Bly's contract makes trading or cutting him unlikely at least until 2010.

Josh Bell - Bell actually did a credible job filling in after Champ went down, especially in the Jests game. I expect him to be the nickel corner next year.

Karl Paymah - Paymah has been with the Broncos since 2005. Many fans complain that he plays off too much, but I can't tell if that's just the DC's preference or an attempt to keep from exposing him too much. In four seasons he has never impressed anyone. He is an UFA this year and I don't expect him to be re-signed.

Jack Williams - Williams generated a lot of excitement in camp and preseason this year, but was never able to translate it to the field in the regular season. Since he just finished his rookie season I expect the team to keep him instead of Paymah.

With Bailey, Bly, and Bell we have a good set of cornerbacks, although we should add more depth. Maybe Williams improves, or maybe we need to look to FA or draft. Safety is actually the bigger problem. Barret looked good at times and at other times he looked like a rookie. Maybe he has the stuff to be an NFL starter, but I wouldn't want to count on it. We probably need to add two safeties, one of whom should be a veteran and that means trade or free agency. Another option that has been debated would be to convert Bailey to safety and bring in another cornerback. It seems to me that there are a number of cornerbacks available, but that would make Bailey a VERY highly paid safety. I suspect we need to sign a FA at safety and draft at least one more safety and another CB for depth.

 

Poll
What is the most important change for the backfield?
Convert Champ to centerfield - we need our own Palomaulu
18 votes
Bring in a FA safety like Landry
41 votes
Bring in a new CB like Asomuhga
12 votes
Draft a safety like Chung
60 votes

131 votes | Poll has closed

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Another good analysis SWG. Thanks

It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Jan 20, 2009 11:46 PM MST reply actions  

Nice and rec'd

Although no mention of my most despised of safeties Calvin Lowry, what gives, or as I say the piece of toilet paper stuck to a shoe tackling machine

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman

by Broncoman on Jan 21, 2009 12:05 AM MST reply actions  

Lowry was released befroe the season end....

so I just assume (hope) he’s not even part of the equation.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 21, 2009 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

I know, I just want his shame to be mentioned

I think he put on one of the most horrific performances I have ever seen from an NFL player, he needs to be immortalized as the one of the worst players to ever wear a Bronco uniform.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman

by Broncoman on Jan 21, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

I understand

In fairness to him, he went from the practice squad to starting with a few days practice and was cut the next day. I’m not sure what they expected from a player who was demoted to the PS and didn’t practice much with the 1st team.

In Goodman We Trust

by Doc Bear on Jan 21, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

In fairness...

I did mention Rodgers so maybe I shold have mentioned Lowry as well. While I think a crappy system and non-existent coaching were big factors, it’s obvious why these guys were available.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 21, 2009 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

In Goodman We Trust

by Doc Bear on Jan 21, 2009 4:01 PM MST up reply actions  

In fairness he should not be in the NFL

That being said, I think Barrell man would of been a better safety than most of the guys we threw out there last year, hell put Bradon Marshall back there, he played safety in college.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman

by Broncoman on Jan 21, 2009 11:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think our secondary will improve much...

until we stop having to play with a safety in the box.
The biggest improvement will be in improving the front 7.

That said, our safety play this season was atrocious.

by jack_ on Jan 21, 2009 12:17 AM MST reply actions  

That was being too nice

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman

by Broncoman on Jan 21, 2009 1:13 AM MST up reply actions  

We didn't play 8 in the box

against the Jests and that seemed to work out ok. I don’t think the problem was 8 in the box as much as always 8 in the box. If an offense knows whast you are going to do you become easy to gameplan against.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 21, 2009 8:59 AM MST up reply actions  

+1

In Goodman We Trust

by Doc Bear on Jan 21, 2009 10:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Awesome analysis (and I rarlely dole out praise)

I agree that caution should be observed with regard to our D-backs. The only proven comodity we have is Champ. Dre is hit or miss. Bell is good for what he is . . . but . . . is he really a top talent? No. Jack Williams? I had high hopes for him, but it is too early to tell what he will be.

Then there’s Barrett – except for the KC and Jets games, he was average. As advertised, he isn’t really a ballhawk and isn’t as explosive as his measurables indicate he should be. 6’2" 233, 4.3 forty – great. Where is that on the field?

Draft, kids. Draft. Chung looks great. I trust the goodmans and xanders. DO IT KIDS! DO IT!!!

by GJcontingent-rAd on Jan 21, 2009 1:14 AM MST reply actions  

I was a little disappointed...

in Barrett as the season went on. But the whole defense seemed so conservative and tentative that maybe he was playing the way he was coached to play.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 21, 2009 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Remember the Carolina game

He was playing 30 yards deep. That was pretty sad

by robbo650 on Jan 21, 2009 10:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Draft Jenkins

If Raji and Maualuga are gone, Jenkins would be a good draft pick at 12.

by mattison on Jan 21, 2009 1:45 AM MST reply actions  

I agree, but I think he will be gone before either Raji or Maualuga

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman

by Broncoman on Jan 21, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

We need to draft two safeties

one of them within the first three rounds, the other in a middle round, with the earlier one a ball-hawking free safety. Barrett should continue to be groomed as the starting or backup strong safety. The bulk of our picks should be spent on the d-line, especially if one or more of our current linemen makes a successful transition to linebacker.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Jan 21, 2009 2:28 AM MST reply actions  

I'm not piling on Dre Bly until we see him play with some decent safeties to back him up

Tangent: can we get a Buzz Up button on this fanpost? As always, nice work SWG

by Leukadian on Jan 21, 2009 9:05 AM MST reply actions  

+1

It has been said on this site time after time: Bly is a corner who excels in front side coverage…he absolutely NEEDS a safety over the back and he will go back to making plays and taking INTs to the house.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Jan 21, 2009 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Chung sucks

Either we need to draft someone good, but underrated in the later rounds (AL AFALAVA, Oregon State) ot pick up a stud via FA

Go M's

by OBF on Jan 21, 2009 1:44 PM MST reply actions  

Chung

Is being hyped a lot by people on this blog. I live in PAC 10 Territory and I have seen him play a lot. The Kid is most likely a 3rd round at best. Yes he can hit but i have seen him get beat by coverage a ton. I think you guys are hyping him up a lot and will be dissappointed if we do draft him.

by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 21, 2009 3:55 PM MST reply actions  

Not just hyped on this blog....

I mentioned Chung because he is listed as one of the top safeties in the draft. However it doesn’t look like a very strong group of safeties in the draft this year. My preference would be to use FA and low round draft picks this year, and maybe see what we can get with a high round pick next year. But I knew a lot of the faithful feel differently so I wanted to give them an option.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 21, 2009 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I voted for Chung

but after reading OBF and gnarly’s comments, I realize that I don’t know anything about him (other than what has been hyped here and elsewhere).

So, I would like to change my vote to go after a FA safety (like Landry) then see if we are able to pick up Mays in the 2010 draft.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 21, 2009 4:07 PM MST reply actions  

In other words

I was for Chung before I was against Chung…

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 21, 2009 4:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Chung has gifts of talent that NFL professors can mold into a stud player.

Coaches teach technique and form…couple that with natural ability and you have a player…He may be raw but he is gifted.

You combine Barrett, who is a prime example of what NFL coaches can do, with Chung and let Nolan and the braintrust mold him, we would have two fast, dynamic playmakers at the safety position.

"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!

by Steve O' on Jan 21, 2009 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Safety help

Nice article. We have one young safety in Barrett who needs a lot of coaching. I would not mind adding another in the 3rd or 4th round but we need 1 experienced FA at the position. We have no idea what will be available at the 12th pick and we can’t make a mistake drafting for need. Hopefully a MLB or NT is available but if not we may end up with a RB or CB. The perfect draft would be a NT, MLB and Safety in the first 3 rounds. They did it last year with Clady and Royal and maybe we will have good fortune again this year. I am not high on Maualuga because I think he is smaller than posted weights (have to see what he is at combine) much like WWoodyard is much smaller that the 230/240 that was advertised. We will be a 3/4 next year so we will need large OLBs that can blitz. DJ does not fit this profile of a 3/4 blitzer from the weakside so either will need to play weak ILB or not fit the team. Hopefully Moss and Doom can play in space and take those outside positions. It will be interesting to see what the new coaching staff thinks of the personnel. Info on that may start leaking out prior to the draft and then we may know what the people that count think our needs are.

by mauibroncofan on Jan 21, 2009 4:16 PM MST reply actions  

Maualuga is 250-260

He had to work to keep himself at 260 and below, this year. Was a little over 270 in the ’08 Rose Bowl. Why do you still think he is smaller than listed?

From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports

by donbok1 on Jan 21, 2009 6:41 PM MST up reply actions  

He talked about this

in another post. Come to find that the article he’s quoting is about a different USC player and the paper mixed up the stats, ReyMau is 260.

"If you don't know where your going you might find yourself somplace else."

by BroncoJoe87 on Jan 24, 2009 5:59 PM MST up reply actions  

He talked about this...

in two other posts, and was corrected each time. Also the paper had all the facts correct on Maiava, no fault on their part. Just don’t understand why he’s spreading FUD.

From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports

by donbok1 on Jan 24, 2009 6:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Ah

my misunderstanding, from the other post I saw him post this I thought the response was that the paper misprinted the statistics. In actuality he misread the paper. I too am at a loss for why he would continue to post this false information after he’s already been corrected.

"If you don't know where your going you might find yourself somplace else."

by BroncoJoe87 on Jan 24, 2009 6:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Heres the link...

to the article in the Maui News. Link

From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports

by donbok1 on Jan 24, 2009 7:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Right on

The paper is obviously about Maiava and not Maualuga. Lets see if he posts the same false info on another post later.

"If you don't know where your going you might find yourself somplace else."

by BroncoJoe87 on Jan 25, 2009 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

draft vs FA

I tend toward FA, since they’re more of a known quantity. After looking over the list this year, I’m leaning toward not drafting a safety on the first day. There are a few pretty good 3-5 year guys available, and they would be less of a gamble than a high-round pick. Check out the list and ranking from Scout.com: http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2009&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=33

by Leukadian on Jan 21, 2009 4:21 PM MST reply actions  

Great job SWG

Would be great to get Landry if the price isn’t too high.

From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports

by donbok1 on Jan 21, 2009 6:42 PM MST reply actions  

SWG...nice post

good breakdown of the unit! Rec’d

"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!

by Steve O' on Jan 21, 2009 6:52 PM MST reply actions  

chiming in...

Maualuga is listed at 6-01.7 / 254 lbs. at the Senior Bowl. A couple of other Safety prospects would be Louis Delma from Western Michigan (2nd round) and Rashad Johnson of Alabama (3rd round).

by PigskinProphet on Jan 21, 2009 8:30 PM MST reply actions  

thanks for the Maualuga info Pigskin

From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports

by donbok1 on Jan 21, 2009 8:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Need a FS and SS - unless Barrett makes big strides

In the 3-4 we need a SS and a FS

FS – Chung, Delmas, or Rashad Johnson (coverage guy)

SS – C.Taylor or K.Ellison

-I think the draft would be good for both of these needs – although we could pick up Dawkins or someone else in FE. Barrett could turn into a SS, but he needs to progress more quickly.

by GJcontingent-rAd on Jan 22, 2009 9:38 AM MST reply actions  

hmmmm
Vernon Fox, Herana-Daze Jones – all I can really say about these two is that they came in when everyone else went down. They weren’t particularly good, but they weren’t any worse than any of the other players we rotated through the tag-team backfield. I don’t know if either of these guys will be back or not. I hope not, because that would mean we haven’t signed any better prospects at safety.

I thought Fox played as well as Manuel or McCree….he’d be a great low cost backup. Sure we may not think he is starter material, but the fact that he played okay in the worst defense in Bronco history should secure him a backup roll on this team at the very least. The other guy I don’t remember seeing much so I have no opinion on him.

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Tim Lynch on Jan 23, 2009 1:02 PM MST reply actions  

Zappa

I believe that he was on the PS

In Goodman We Trust

by Doc Bear on Jan 25, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

ok...
Champ Baily – The biggest problem with Champ, actually the only problem, was that we couldn’t get him on the field. A groin injury in the NE game sidelined him until the final game and he obviously wasn’t fully recovered at that time. In a testament to his toughness, Baily sustained a dislocated elbow (an injury that put Torain on IR) on the first series of the SD game. Knowing a playoff spot was on the line he had it popped back into place and played through the pain. Last week he had surgery to repair the elbow. Some fans have suggested trading Champ but his contract makes that idea salary cap nonsense. Besides, why would you trade the best player, a guy who is a true leader, at a time like this? One intriguing idea is to convert Champ to safety. In the hierarchy of defensive players, all-pro cornerbacks are much more prestigious than safeties, but the concept is intriguing none the less.

When I mentioned the salary cap, what I really meant was Pat Bowlen’s bottom line. I know the salary cap is a joke nowadays as teams don’t have the money to even reach the cap now. My point was that Bowlen may be looking for ways to trim his bottom line. Champ will free up a lot of salary space that Bowlen won’t have to shovel back out. I really don’t think anyone is safe on the defensive side of the ball….DJ might be the safest, but I wouldn’t put my money on anyone on the leagues 30th ranked defense.

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Tim Lynch on Jan 23, 2009 1:06 PM MST reply actions  

Interesting comment

We’re so used to talking about the “salary cap hit” that we often don’t talk about the “cash hit”. If a team doesn’t expect to be anywhere near the cap, the decision surely becomes one of whether it is worth outlaying the cash pure and simple.

As two of the highest paid players on the Broncos, our corners would have to fall into this category assuming their other budget measures keep them safely away from the salary cap limit.

I’m no accountant but i have a rough understanding of budgeting etc. I guess one thing I’d never done in my head was to align the thought processes that go into a business’s budget with that of caponomics. The signing bonus is very similar to upfront capital that gets amortised over the life of the asset. You can right off the asset (cut the player) and it brings losses forward. All this is just accounting method to spread pre-spent cash out and allocate it across periods. But the real money – the cash – has been spent.

The broncos have spent the cash on Bly and Bailey. It’s gone. In an environment as precarious as today’s business environment, cash is king and the Broncos have a decision to make about whether or not further cash in these two players is worth the outlay.

I guess the two major factors they’ll need to weigh up is whether or not a) Denver shapes to be a competitor in 2009 and b) whether they can help to mould the future of the team by staying around. If not, their drain on cashflow could shape to be a major negative on their Denver future. If draft picks could be secured in return for them, Pat Bowlen (aka the cash) could choose to keep money in his pockets and take the cap hit.

Sorry to those that this is all obvious to but the penny is starting to drop for me on the whole “business side of the NFL”…

Darren Bennett... check
Ben Graham... check
Sav Rocca... check
Now if only we can find an Australian who can run and tackle in the NFL and show these Yanks what we're made of.

by orange&blue_aussie on Jan 26, 2009 12:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh, great post btw and rec'd! :)

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Tim Lynch on Jan 23, 2009 1:06 PM MST reply actions  

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