Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations
This seems to be the time of year when we all disagree. This recurring feature I've been writing has been inviting lots of disagreement, which, since I am writing my opinions, is a good thing.
Factions emerge each re-loading season, around free agents and potential draftees, and whether or not ANY free agents should even be signed. This year, we also had a coaching search to disagree on, and presently what looks pretty clearly to be an impending defensive scheme change to disagree on. Disagreeing is fine, and it's healthy. We can all learn from each other, through the course of disagreeing. Let's all remember to disagree positively, though, as that is what separates us at MHR from the cretins at other sites. We all have opinions, and we should all respect each other, because in the end we all want what is best for the Broncos.
Now, I present a fresh batch of Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations to disagree with me about, after the jump....
1. First, I want to address my thoughts about DJ Williams, which sparked some controversy last week. I haven't changed my mind about his ability to play inside in a 3-4, but I am going to try to express myself more clearly today, because there is a definite rationale behind my thinking.
The first question is, can DJ Williams be a good player inside at all? I don't think he was a very good MLB at all in 2007. He was second in the NFL in tackles, but a great many of them came way downfield. Some of that may have been due to his inexperience playing inside, and I will grant that that is a possibility. It is reasonable to think that it's possible that DJ would have improved in his second year in the Middle, if he had stayed there. The thing is, he didn't want to stay there, and the coaching staff evaluated his play there, and decided that the Webster/Koutouvides pu pu platter was a better bet inside. That's the best evidence of all that DJ isn't an inside guy.
Now, blocking fits and gap responsibilities are both different in a 4-3 than they are in a 3-4. I will show the inside box only against both fronts in the following diagrams. The offensive play is the same in both diagrams, a simple Lead Draw to the HB.
First, let's look at it against a 40 front, which we're used to.
Note that the QB initially turns away from the direction of the play (which is called a reverse pivot.) This is designed to cause the MLB to initially start to his right, or at least think about it. The key block on this play is made by the Center, who has to very quickly chip the playside DT's inside shoulder, and then get out to the second level to meet the MLB, who will be moving laterally to his left once he reads the play. (Incidentally, Tom Nalen is the best C I've ever seen at doing this. He deserves to one day be in the HOF, like a lot of Broncos do.) The FB is free on this version of the play to hit either the Sam or the Mike, whomever is a more imminent threat to the HB. The key thing here is, the Mike's assignment is to move laterally down the line, and then make the tackle, as close to the line of scrimmage as possible.
Now, the 30 front.
Notice in this version of the play that the playside Guard is now the guy who is chipping and seeking the ILB. The ILB is reading the FB, and running downhill into the hole to take the FB on. He hopes to make the tackle, but his main task is to physically defeat the FB at the point of attack, because that will at least make it easier for somebody else to make the tackle behind him.
OK, what am I getting at? The MLB in the 4-3 is the centerpiece of the defense. The various 40 schemes generally try to funnel the action to come inside to him. It's his job to run laterally from sideline to sideline, and to take good angles to the ball. The job favors athletic, instinctive, and hard-nosed guys like Al Wilson and Brian Urlacher. DJ really only had the athletic part down in 2007, and he wasn't so good in that position.
The ILBs in the 3-4 are gap-fillers, first and foremost. Once they read run in the A or B gaps, they need to run straight ahead into the gap, and take on a blocker, with the mission being to clog the hole. When they hit the blocker, he's now in the runner's way, and the runner has to choose one side or the other of his back to run to, and then, the best ILBs can read that move, and play off the block to make the tackle. A solid one at least clogs the hole, and somebody else makes the tackle.
The missions of the 4-3 Mike backer and the 3-4 Inside backer are totally different. The skill-sets required are also totally different. While ILBs are generally larger, it's not necessarily about size. I keep seeing DJ's size compared to James Farrior, so let me clarify. The issue comes down to skill-set. The only question which really matters is, can you (and will you) sacrifice yourself to blow up a blocker in the hole?
We all seem to get that D-Linemen in a 3-4 have to be ego-suppressed, but the same is true of the ILBs. Usually, your role is to get blocked, and to play off the block. I have never seen DJ Williams willingly take on blockers, so I question his ability and/or willingness to do so. He has always been a block-misser, and a lateral pursuer, not too different than his college teammate Jonathan Vilma, who struggled mightily in the 3-4. One scheme favors that kind of guy, but the 3-4 isn't the one which does. This simple lead draw? I would run it (as well as straight-up power handoffs) at DJ repeatedly, and make him prove that he is willing and able to cowboy up in the hole and make a play.
This is not meant to be negative about DJ, because I think he is a pretty good player as an OLB in a 4-3. I would be willing to check him out as an OLB in a 3-4, and I don't think the case is as clear there, whether he could play there or not. But everything I know about defense tells me that DJ WIlliams is not well-suited to be a 3-4 ILB, and that he never will be. Feel free to disagree with me, and to express your disagreement, but understand that I am not pulling this out of thin air.
2. I watched the Senior Bowl this morning. You have to love NFL Network. Some rapid-fire observations follow.
a. On the LB front, I liked Scott McKillop of Pitt as a 3rd-4th round ILB. He isn't the fastest guy, but he looked stout in the hole, as he did throughout his time at Pitt. He will be a solid starter in somebody's 3-4 in the NFL.
b. I like CBs who tackle well, and Victor "Macho" Harris (Va. Tech) and Ellis Lankster (West Virginia) both showed something there. Lankster had an interception also, and Harris was very good in coverage throughout the game.
c. The best CB in Mobile was easily Alphonso Smith, who is a big-time play-maker from Wake Forest. He reminds me of Antoine Winfield, other than the fact that he can catch. Alas, he dropped a sure TD in the game, but the break he made on the ball was spectacular. He'll go somewhere in the 20s, provided he runs well.
d. Andre Brown (RB-NC State) will be a good tandem back in the NFL. He will probably be a second-round pick, and he's got excellent size and quick feet. He was the best RB in the game.
e. BJ Raji showed nothing in the game, after being the talk of the week of practice. He got handled all game by Alex Mack and Max Unger, who, along with Eric Wood and Antoine Caldwell, make up an uncommonly excellent crop of Center prospects this year. All four of those centers played well, and each spent some time at Guard too.
f. Rey Maualuga might be starting to grow on me. He had a hideous missed tackle at the line of scrimmage on a Cedric Peerman 20 yard run, but he came back to force a fumble and blow up a screen pass later. He looked fast to the ball a couple times, which I liked to see.
g. Brian Cushing is a future star in the NFL. He is really well-coached, and he takes great angles to the football. I also watched him blow up Andy Levitre, a Guard, a couple times. There is no way he doesn't go in the first round.
h. The best D-Linemen in the game were definitely Peria Jerry (DT-Ole Miss) and Robert Ayers (DE-Tennessee.) Both of them were downright dominant at times.
i. Derek Pegues and Louis Delmas both looked fast and active at Safety, and Pegues had a nice return on a kickoff in the game.
j. The WR crop was thin, but there are a few keepers there. Juaquin Iglesias (Oklahoma,) Brian Robiskie (Ohio State,) and Mike Thomas (Arizona,) all lack a lot of flash to their games, but all three will be reliable NFL players. The one I like the best is Robiskie, whose dad Terry is a long-time NFL receivers coach, and currently serves in that role for the Falcons.
k. If you like pu pu platter, you should have seen the QBs in Mobile. Graham Harrell (Texas Tech) was terrible, and definitively showed that he can't play at the NFL level, even as a backup. His arm makes Chad Pennington's look strong. Pat White (West Virginia) played fairly well, but he is doing himself a disservice, because he is no NFL QB. Nathan Brown (Central Arkansas) is a marginal late-round prospect, but he has an ugly side-arm delivery. John Parker Wilson (Alabama) showed good athleticism, but not much in throwing the ball. He looks like a 3rd stringer in the NFL. Rhett Bomar (Sam Houston State nee Oklahoma) had the strongest arm of the 6 QBs, but his accuracy leaves a LOT to be desired. Cullen Harper (Clemson) looked the best overall to me, of the 6, and I think he'll be the best pro. He has the look of a Frank Reich or Gary Kubiak, a valued long-time backup QB. He and Bomar are probably 4th rounders, Wilson is a 5th rounder, and Brown and Harrell may or may not get drafted at all. If White comes to his senses and starts working out at WR, he could be a 2 or 3, based on potential and athleticism alone. If he insists that he is a QB, it will be the late rounds for him too.
3. How about those Shanny-to-the-Chiefs rumors? That was pretty irresponsible journalism for Chris Mortensen to report it as virtually a done deal, and then have to basically retract a couple hours later, of course, blaming his anonymous source.
4. I am starting to like the idea of trading down in the draft, if it can be pulled off. The Broncos need quantity of quality. It got me thinking. Is Jim Goodman the trader now? Has this been made clear? All I have heard is that he has final say on personnel decisions, but a pick is an intangible asset, until it is exercised.
5. Let's all try not get too attached to specific players in the draft. After all, somebody you loved may get drafted by the Raiders, Chiefs, or Chargers and then what? Let's treat this process like we're at a target-rich bar, and remember that focusing on one target too much will probably just set us up for disappointment.
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To clarify...
My no was only because I have no access to it.
Yeah I figure that that's the case for many people...
The cable companies need to get everybody access to the NFL Network.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Jan 26, 2009 7:08 AM MST up reply actions
It's kind of crappy
But I watched it via an online stream. Myp2p.eu. Something to do in the future, if you have no other options.
Insightful post as always, Ted
1. Thanks for the D lesson, I certainly learned quite a bit.
3. Mort and ESPN have had a very poor season. Consider that along with Mort’s Raiders fiasco and the network’s handling of the Werder/T.O./Stephen A. Smith debacle, and you have some embarrassing examples of megalomania on both of their parts. I hope you got a chance to read the ESPN ombudsman’s recent column.
4. Unless there’s a Jay Cutler-type available to move up to, moving down in the draft is almost ALWAYS a wonderful idea. As we all study drafts past and analyze the upcoming one, we surely find that drafting is an inexact science, and the more bullets you have, the better.
I know these stories don’t need to be rec’d, but I did so anyway.
Nice column
3, I totally agree, Mortenson and Clayton have become total hacks and have lost all credibility with me, they report rumor and inuendo, I think they are tired of getting scooped by Adam Schefter time and time again and they are trying to run with rumors and hope they stick.
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Senior Bowl Thoughts
+ Glad Maualuga is starting to grow on you. He’s a real quick guy. That forced fumble was great stuff. I saw a couple mistakes from big time guys in the game though, and as you said, Maualuga was no different. I also agree with you on McKillop. Pretty good late round guy who can play fundamentally well.
+ Also, I thought Derrick Williams had a great week leading up to the game and did pretty well in the game itself (considering some of the North quarterbacks’ ineptitude to get the ball out). Robiskie had some trouble getting separation at times and D-Will started the game as one of the two main receivers but did pretty well in the slot and finished off well. Sure, not EYE-POPPING (and no one in the game really was), but good enough to mention with his North counterparts.
+ Brown looked pretty good, as did some of the other running backs. I’m curious to see what you thought of Jeremiah Johnson out of Oregon Ted. I’m not saying he was the best back there, but I thought he looked pretty good shaking off tackles on the ankles and getting some good bursts out of the backfield. Maybe I’m just saying that because it was the second time I’ve seen the guy play, but I was wondering if anyone else felt the same way.
+ Also, unrelated to the Bowl game…I’ve seen mention in the comments section and elsewhere that the Broncos may be able to fashion DJ into an outside guy in the 3-4. He’s got the athleticism down, but there are still things he obviously needs to work on. I saw you had him listed unquestionably an inside guy if the team is to keep him. I was interested as to your reasoning on that, because, like I said, I’ve seen mention of putting him outside as well. And I noticed you just looked at the front box and disregarded the outside boxes in your illustrations (which were well-done as always).
Once again, good stuff Ted!
I did like Jeremiah Johnson...
He had some nice plays in the game, and appears to be a solid change-of-pace kind of back.
I consider Derrick Williams to be an underachiever, because he is really talented, and he’s never produced at the level he’s able . Nothing I saw from him in the game was a big surprise to me. I think he can definitely play at the NFL level, but I think he’ll need to be coached with a foot in his behind, because he looks lazy to me sometimes.
DJ may be able to play outside in the 3-4, particularly over a TE. I don’t think he is prototypical for it, but it’s reasonable to think it’s worth checking out.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Jan 26, 2009 8:37 AM MST up reply actions
Scott McKILL
Gotta love these nicknames. I agree, rewatching some of the Senior Bowl I see that he has great instincts and can clog the hole. McKill in rd. 3-4 baby!!!
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D-Will highlights for those that didn’t see. Looked pretty good returning kicks.
Again, I will say that no one really stood out head and shoulders above the others in this year’s Senior Bowl game. A lack of solid quarterback play may have had something to do with that fact as well. I believe a few guys even passed on playing in the game this off-season. Thanks again Ted, great post.
Great post Ted
As a biased Va. Tech Hokie fan, I would love to get Macho Harris although I have a feeling he has a lot of “punk” attitude in him. Closer to Meangelo Hall than to Eddie Royal. But hey, let’s get him and find out.
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Robert Ayers..
yes, he also stuck out to me – can he play in a 3-4 DE spot? Raji was invisible, let’s take a pass there. Even if we re-sign Wiegman we’ll need a center, with all those excellent interior guys maybe we should trade down from 12 and get that future center out of the way now? The Samoan won’t get past the 6 spot overall so I think we can forget him unfortunately. I’d have to say my top priority after watching that game is linebacker, or this Ayers guy, what do you think?
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isn’t available, so I didn’t vote. DJ has the similar measurements to James Harrison, I hope he works out.
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Great post
I didn’t get to watch too much of the game, but I did notice that the centers dominated Raji and I saw some missed tackles by Rey but also nice strip of the ball, basically he looked like a difference maker which is what I have been preaching, he has the “it” factor, just a nose for the ball and can make a play, Cushing (from what I saw) had some poor angles and missed tackles, but I din’t get to see that much of the game. But I think Cushing may be better suited for a MLB or ILB than OLB, wouldn’t it be nice to land Rey and Cushing, then you have some guys that can work in a 3-4 scheme, oh to dream.
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DJ williams
I have been saying all along that DJ would fit better playing the all-purpose OLB of Adalius Thomas or Mike Vrabel. He needs to get a clear path to the runner and be able to have the play in front of him where he can use his considerable speed and quickness to make the play.
He is not natural on the inside and is often late to realize which gap the ball is being run in, so the offensive line or lead blocker has time to get out of the gap and take him on leaving a path for the runner.
Thorough Analysis Ted
As I’ve pointed out in other posts, you and I disagree about DJ. In the end we’ll just have to see how the coaches evaluate and assign the players. There are a few thing I’d like to point out.
In your evaluation you seem to be mixing the differences between 2-gap v. 1-gap defenses with the differences between 4-3 alignments v. 3-4 alignments. Whether the LB is supposed to stuff the hole or tackle the runner has more to do with the scheme (2 v. 1-gap) than the alignment (3-4 v. 4-3).
Your two comparisons are for a play run at the LB in the 3-4 example v. a play run away from him in the 4-3. If you ran at the 2-hole in your 4-3 the responsibilities would look similar.
As far as your point about DJ not being willing to take on the blocker, I have never seen where that was (supposed) to be his role as Mike. When he played Mike in the 4-3 in 2007 we were (supposedly) running a 2-gap system. In the 2-gap system the DTs are supposed to tie up the O-line and FB so the MLB can move to the play and tackle the runner. What I saw was DJ having to disengage from blockers who weren’t supposed to get to him in the first place.
In almost any scheme the Sam back has to take on a TE. When DJ played Sam I never saw, nor heard anyone comment about, any reluctance to take on the blocker.
I agree with you that, despite being 2nd in the NFL in tackles, DJ was in no danger of being selcted for the Pro Bowl. But the whole run contain experiment was such a complete disaster that I’m reluctant to definitely state how much was DJ, how much was the system, and how much was the other players around him.
If you are saying that DJ is not suited to playing ILB in a 3-4, I can only say that depends entirely on the system implemented and his responsibilities within that system. We really don’t know enough to say. We will just have to see what the new coaching staff has in mind.
At any rate, I think the discussion of different perspectives is always interesting. It’s amazing how we can all see the same play, but actually see very different plays.
Another great post Ted, Thanks
Question for you – we seem to be facing more teams each year who use “our” zone blocking scheme. Does the role of the ILB in a 3-4 change when faced with a zone blocking O-Line?
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Great post
Rec’d
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
I watched the senior bowl and the talk about the DT did not live up to the hype
All week we heard about the BC. Mostly DT BJ Raji. We heard they were runstuffing DT who makes plays in the backfield. This did not happen. BJ Raji did not show anything in the game. The only DT on the North squad that showed anything was Mitch King out of Iowa. He is 6’3 280 pounds. I saw him in a couple of games this year on ESPN and he was always making plays in the the backfield. When he was in the game the was the only DT on the North squad that made any plays in the backfield. He completely outplayed the 1rst and second round talent. This kid might not be the most physically gifted but he is a Football player. We should really look at this kid as in the 3rd or 4th round. he would be a perfect fit as a DE in the 3-4
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 26, 2009 12:12 PM MST reply actions
yea your the guy
that thinks everyone lies
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 26, 2009 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
Rec'd
Reading through the post and comments I love the level of knowledge and discourse on this site.
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Ted...
although I wouldn’t say the Senior Bowl was any where near one of the best games of the year for Maualuga, I’m glad he did enough to be released from your dog house. I think I see some sunlight breaking through the cloud of despair. Nice post.
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
Thanks Ted...
You must have spent some time in Southeastern CT…. :)
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Great Post
Great thoughts, and I like your comments on the Senior Bowl.
I’ve actually been tempted to do a quick write-up on Andre Brown, since I’ve had the privilege of watching him play in college. He actually would fit fairly well in a one-cut system like we run, as he does a pretty good job of picking a hole and hitting it hard. He almost never dances around behind the line, and he always falls forwards. I would advocate picking him up, except I really don’t feel like we need to draft a running back this year, not to mention Hillis would likely fulfill the power back role for us. Brown has more break-away speed than Hillis, but no one would mistake him for a Chris Johnson type.
I do, however, have to post my favorite Andre Brown clip. This is from his sophomore year, and he has actually become more bruising throughout his career, without losing the speed. I know it’s from a game against Appalachian State (an in-state I-AA school), but heck, they beat Michigan… ;)
Wow...
that safety landed 5yds down field after contact! Impressive.
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
Meant to watch
but forgot it was on.
I think I got sucked into the X-Games or something equally as inane and by the time I remembered it was on, it was too late.
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