If Knowshon, Then What?
This will be brief - at least compared to my usual FanPosts - but I thought I'd put it out there now so you can help me think it through before I go any further. A lot of the debate regarding this year's reloading season has centered around whether or not Denver should even consider a running back (RB) in the first round of the 2009 NFL Draft. That question, however, is impossible to answer unless you dig a little deeper. Even the most ardent RB advocates would have to agree that the Broncos have more pressing needs on the other side of the ball. Nevertheless, they (I don't include myself among that them yet because I am currently undecided about the matter) would argue that those concerns could be adequately addressed via free agency and subsequent picks in the draft. To wit, I'd like to present the following draft day scenario for your consideration.
* With the 12th pick of the 2009 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia.
via deadspin.com -- I'm a Gators fan and I still love this kid!
Despite a large pool of potential starters already on the roster, the Broncos could add an RB of Moreno's stature in order to solidify the position and, by extension, the entire offensive unit. Knowshon is an elite player with virtually no demerits. He displays exceptional speed, accelaration, agility, balance, vision and plenty of power regardless of his size. He's also a great receiver out of the backfield and can hold his own in pass protection. Simply put, he's the complete package at RB and most likely the best player available with the #12 pick in the first round.
* With the 48th pick of the 2009 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select: Patrick Chung, S, Oregon
via www.portlandtribune.com -- Little picture, big pain.
While workout warriors use their measurables and events like the NFL Combine to fly up the charts in the NFL Draft despite otherwise questionable resumes, players like Chung inexplicably slip desite their impressive production on the field and their character off of it. Patrick is a smart kid, a true leader and an a standout performer in the college ranks. While his triangle numbers might make you second-guess his potential, he's gifted enough physically to be a solid starter at the next level.
* With the 79th pick of the 2009 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select: Ron Brace. DT, Boston College.
via cache.gettyimages.com -- Could he be the centerpiece our new 3-4 defense needs?
Despite being overshadowed by his teammate and potential top ten pick in this draft, B.J. Raji, Brace is a fine pro prospect in his own regard. He's large, strong, is a sound tackler and has good awareness. He's best against the run, but can collapse the pocket and pressure the passer. Even though he was a four-year starter at BC, he's still improving and has great potential. He has his flaws, but most of them are correctable with the sort of professional training and coaching he'd undoubtably get in Denver.
So, my question is this - especially to those who are opposed to taking an RB in the first round - would that be a satisfactory start of the draft despite the investment of our top pick in what you might argue is a luxury? By the way, I encourage those of you who have not had the privaledge of watching Knowshon Moreno at Georgia these past two season to take a moment to view his highlights and read some of his scouting reports. You'd be hard-pressed to find something that you don't like. As much as I like some of the guys we already have, he's on a different level and his presence would push the offense as a whole up another notch.
As for the specific draft day scenario above, I suppose we may have to use our second round pick on Brace to make sure that he dones the Orange and Blue on Sundays. In that case, we can hope for Louis Delmas (S, Western Michigan) to be on the board at #79 or we could look into any number of other mid-round safeties available in this draft. All in all, I think it's a bit early in the process to get into such specifics, so try to focus on the more generic proposition of getting solid-if-unspectacular defensive help at positions of need after taking an elite RB in round one.
Well, I suppose I should quit rambling on and let you guys chime in for my own benefit. Once again, these are just my rough ideas and I look forward to your thoughts so that I may them under consideration as I flesh out my ideas in the future. As always, thank you for taking the time to read this and go Broncos!
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Oh my goodness
The second round is Fili Moala,
Third Round is C. Mathews
Fourth Round is Jairus Bird ….plays Safety or Corner
BPA for our needs
Add Peppers, Tank Johnson, Karlos Dansby and D. Landry in FA and …..and you got yourselves quite a squad!
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
by Steve O' on Jan 29, 2009 10:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Peppers is going to be very spendy my friend
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Jan 29, 2009 10:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If we can restructure Champ,
which is a maybe, maybe not…why would he want to restructure? Well maybe to win a ring he might! You are probably right about Peppers cost, but remember that long term deals are cap friendly initially so sign him till his 35 or a 6 year deal and cut him in three years when we owe him a big salary but pay the bonus up front so we don’t owe anything on the back end…by then the draft picks used over the next couple years, on top of the current players we have will be seasoned and ready to take over the transition of excellence
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
by Steve O' on Jan 29, 2009 10:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the other two FA signings...
but what ever will we do without Boss? Landry is a stud. He’d be a great mentor for TMays next year.
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Jan 29, 2009 10:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know Boss was vital for letting the Defense catch their breaths during the INJURY timeout!
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
by Steve O' on Jan 29, 2009 10:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Tank Johnson?!
Honestly, I wouldn’t sign Tank Johnson’s next contract with Al Davis’ hand. I really doubt the Ravens and/or Cardinals let Landry and/or Dansby go this offseason. I’m not sure that the value of Peppers outweighs the inevitable cost. As for your draft, my first thought was “USC fan much?” but those are all interesting prospects in their own right. That said, Moala is a fringe first rounder in my book who doesn’t seem like a good fit for NT and Matthews is more likely to be gone by the time we pick in the second round than he is to last until we come back up in the third; I don’t know anything about Baird, but I’ll look into him now, so thanks for the heads up there. It’s early and those things could change, but that’s how it looks to me right now. At least I think we see eye to eye on Knowshon’s potential…
by ejruiz on Jan 29, 2009 11:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Landry hitting the FA market is a very real possibility
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Jan 30, 2009 6:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Free Agents: Dude, to get all of those FA's, you'd have to break into Ft. Knox
I wouldn’t mind getting a Suggs type, but Peppers / Dansby and Johnson all look like guys who will stop playing the minute they sign a contract – not to mention the fact that to add all of them you’d have to mortgage the franchise. Pick 1, maybe 2 high-priced free agents – not 5.
by GJcontingent-rAd on Jan 31, 2009 8:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
True, true
Ok…maybe Peppers and Landry for sure…
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
by Steve O' on Jan 31, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Knowshon, then what?
Offensive domination, that’s what.
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Jan 29, 2009 10:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Unstopable.
That’s the word that came to my mind, actually.
by ejruiz on Jan 29, 2009 11:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing
about Knowshon that I absolutely love is his vision. He has the best vision of any RB I’ve seen since Tomlinson came out of TCU. It’s also a skill that doesn’t erode with a lot of carries…
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 29, 2009 10:42 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I like your first 3 rounds ejruiz!!
Solid start to the rebuild. I’d be afraid though that all three of the Chung, Brace, and Delmas prospects may go in the second. All three are gaining steam since last week. If we could get two of those guys, we’d be really fortunate.
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Jan 29, 2009 10:45 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
There's still
a ton of the process left. The Combine has to happen, and that’s really going to create a much clearer picture of the prospects. I’m waiting for that to finish to really start worrying about which guys in what rounds. There’s still soooo much movement to be done. Remember Donte Whitner? Or John McCargo? (Sorry, Buffalo. Didn’t mean to single you out.)
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 29, 2009 10:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I know...
and after the combine there will be second round prospects that slip to the fourth, and vice versa. I’m just sayin’.
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Jan 29, 2009 11:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with ya.
And I love the daily speculation around here about the draft. It’s kick ass, but I think in the next three weeks, we’re really going to get a good idea of how the board is going to shape up.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 29, 2009 11:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer Terrance Tyler from MI in the 3rd round over Ron Brace
by GJcontingent-rAd on Jan 31, 2009 8:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa - I just looked up Brace and Taylor, I'd take Brace -->
If Brace is there, take him in the 3rd
by GJcontingent-rAd on Jan 31, 2009 8:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed Brace over Taylor
but not in the third. The quality isn’t there and you are talking a rotational player. I think Denver should have some backup plans in place for moving their #3 pick back, or their #4pick up, or adding another pick at the end of the third.
I really feel like we should be getting guys with our first three picks who will be in on the majority of snaps, if not all. Brace is not that guy. But I wouldn’t mind terribly if he was our high third rounder….but I think the pick would be much more open to criticism. That high third slot is a good place to look for talent and tenure.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 31, 2009 12:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if you take Moreno in the first you have to take a DT in the second
We need to find a second round DT that we can build a foundation around…
Start over the ball and work your way backwards until you get to safety…if you can find a Safety who can play corner…you are doubly golden.
Bring in FA’s that fill the gaps until the kids are ready. In 2010 you draft the best defensive players in the first three rounds….we won’t need to worry about offense for a long long time if you get Knowshon.
I don’t like the idea of finding all skill positions and lighter, faster players like safeties. We need to rebuild the front seven and the middle of the defense was horribly weak. I think we can do that in FA and the draft despite using the first rounder on a RB…
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
by Steve O' on Jan 29, 2009 10:57 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
safety who can play corner...
what about Vontae Davis. A corner who looks like a safety? Huge hitter. Nice coverage skills. Interesting kid.
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Jan 29, 2009 11:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Davis is the real deal...no doubt, but will be in the top 10 I think,
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
by Steve O' on Jan 29, 2009 11:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
if Davis jumped into the Top 10, it would be a substantial upset. Malcolm Jenkins is the real deal without character issues and lots of experience. Anytime that drafts him that high would be doing another Ginn at 9. Great talent, but terrible use of the draft board.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 29, 2009 11:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...Jenkins is the real deal...first corner off the board
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
by Steve O' on Jan 29, 2009 11:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If he isn't a top 5 pick
I’ll be stunned. If I were to make up a draft board, he’d be number 2.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 29, 2009 11:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to bet...
I’d go top 20. I just wanted to bring up his name since you brought up the versatility thing.
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Jan 29, 2009 11:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Knowshon.
With Moreno in place, the offense would be set for years to come. I can’t imagine where we’d spend a first round pick on that side of the ball for a long, long time. That’s a huge advantage, I think.
by ejruiz on Jan 29, 2009 11:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
it would be reminiscient of the Colts.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 29, 2009 11:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
At Center is where we could spend a 1st rounder in the future.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jan 30, 2009 1:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
How often do those guys end up going in the first round? How likely are we to do that for any center prospect? I sincerely doubt it, is all I’m saying.
by ejruiz on Jan 30, 2009 7:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone would be suprised to see Mack or Unger go in the 1st
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Jan 30, 2009 7:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
It’s happened four times in the last ten drafts and it’s debateable whether any of them have paid off. Mack and/or Unger could slip into the first round, but I’d take #33+ for both of them if I had to put money on it. In other words, I overstated my case, but I stand by my conclusion: drafting a center in the first round is highly unlikely.
by ejruiz on Jan 30, 2009 7:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would think that Denver would look at
Luigs as early as the third. He looks like a perfect fit to me, at either right guard or C.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 31, 2009 8:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant left guard.
Hamilton’s replacement of course. K-Lich would also be looked at there, but the best player will get the C position when Weigmann is ready to hang em up.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 31, 2009 8:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll rephrase...
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Mack or Unger go in the first. I think the most obvious choice is Pittsburgh, depending on whether or not Duke Robinson is still on the board. Another wild card to keep in mind is any team with two first round picks. Philly and Detroit both pick in the 20’s with their second pick, and both teams could use some OL help. If Knowshon slips this far I’d guess Philly uses about 30 sec. to get their pick in. I’d guess they are also likely to pick a safety if they have one rated this high. Otherwise, to see them go OL here wouldn’t surprise me to get some depth behind Jackson. Lets say Detroit goes with a hot commodity FA QB from the Boston area. They decide they are going to draft protection for their new signal caller this year. Smith at the #1 and Mack at #20 is a great start to a new OL. The Jets used this tactic to rebuild their OL in ‘06 with D’Brickashaw and Mangold. Although you may feel that pick didn’t pay off for the Jets, I would say their line is coming around nicely. Miami is the last team I’ll bring up with a possibility of going center in the first round. Now I’ve overstated my case. My point is the draft is dynamic in that every year a countless number of factors figure into the final order. I’d feel confident in preaching to anyone that will listen, that a placekicker won’t be picked in the first round, but then the Raiders will go out and make me look foolish by drafting Janikowski II. I’m just sayin’.
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Jan 31, 2009 11:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
EJ
most of the time you and I dont see eye to eye! That being said… I really like the prospects here!
" He goes against Champ everyday." -Jay Cutler
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Jan 30, 2009 12:02 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I Must Be On To Something!
Thanks man. I like to think we can respectfully disagree, but it’s nice to agree every once in a while.
by ejruiz on Jan 30, 2009 1:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Definately
I have always respected your opinion
" He goes against Champ everyday." -Jay Cutler
Davis to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Feb 6, 2009 9:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I definitly would have no problems
Although i cant forget about our need for a nose tacllke and bj seens like he is pretty good value at 12. I also cant stop thinking about Aaron maybin. he seems like a a very interesting prospects with better numbers than anybody in just his second ear at the age of 20. Dos anybody have any good insights on him?
by BryGoodland on Jan 30, 2009 1:12 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
All my insight consists of
Is I think he’s overrated and came out at least a year too early. One great year a Top 10 prospect does not make, but I’m the stuffy guy who disagrees with everyone, so keep that in mind, as well.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 30, 2009 7:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What people are missing is that our offense can only improve to a point.
We had the 12 best rushing attack in yard per game last season. And it’s not like we’re gonna magically add 150 yards of offense or something. If the running game is sick that’ll probably take away yardage from Culter’s throwing because he’ll have less field. I dunno…I don’t hate Knowshon, I’m just saying.
by SethGrandpa on Jan 30, 2009 3:15 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
A strong running game would greatly improve our scoring.
Last year we were ranked 2nd in Total yrds/game but ranked 16th in pts/game. It is very hard to pass in the redzone as we saw last year. An elite running back/running game would greatly improve our redzone efficiency and thus lead to more points per game. Im still for Mauluaga at 12 but if hes gone I would have no problem with Knowshon
by purplesocks on Jan 30, 2009 11:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still a bit of a Maualuga man myself...
although I could be wrong on him.
Interestingly enough, however, I did see one mock draft that had the Broncos taking Maualuga one and Fili Moala in the second round. Manning the front lines with USC!
by phantom818 on Jan 30, 2009 6:31 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I would be fine with that
We’ll see how everything works out with the combine and everything.
by stedtfeld on Jan 30, 2009 6:31 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think this coaching staff will place the same value on Knowshon as you do.
I believe that NE’s offensive style is the short pass to spread out the D to allow room for your runners. With that in mind you don’t need a great runner, plus with the style of OLine play we employ it’s doubly apparent, to me, that RB is not crucial in the scheme we are about to run. Plus I don’t want to pay mucho bucks for an elite runner for an extra .5 yard per carry over a Hillis. I like the power/speed tandem of Hillis and Torrain or even Bell.
I’m firmly in the Maualuga or Channing camp, leave the star running back on someone else’s roster, we’ll do just find. I think Maualuga is a difference maker on the defence, in the style of a Merriman. A leader who makes the defense better by just being on the field. We need that, not another offensive weapon.
by CalgaryFan on Jan 30, 2009 7:47 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
RB.
Hillis has carried the ball ten times or in only three NFL games. In his four years at Arkansas, he did so only seven times. He’s sutained significant injuries in both college and the pros. For all his potential, all the evidence points to his being unable to carry the load. Heck, it would be folly to depend on him to shoulder half of it, especially when you consider our options for the other half of the duo.
You mentioned Torain, so I’ll talk about him. He played in only two games as a rookie last year (totaling 15 carries) because he missed the early part of the season due to a serious elbow injury and then tore his ACL to be done for the year. That’d be bad enough, but he also missed time in junior college (ankle injury) and more significantly at Arizona State (frantured toe). He’s just not durable.
Selvin Young and all the others are in the same boat. It’s bad luck that we had the better part of a dozen backs land, but we’d be pushing our luck if we continue to bank of injury-prone guys. You can’t get much out of talent that is trapped in a fragile body…
by ejruiz on Jan 30, 2009 11:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Rey.
I really like Maualuga, too. I’m not sure that Raji will be there at #12 and Rey might not be there either, but I’d be happy with either of them, I think. The point of this post wasn’t to convince people to support selecting Knowshon Moreno in the first round, but rather to see if it could be made palatable by subsequent picks. I guess you don’t feel that way and that’s fair. Thanks for chiming in, though!
by ejruiz on Jan 30, 2009 11:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be upset if we drafted a RB in the first
I can’t help it. I think we can get by with what we have at RB while we fix the defence which has to be priority #1, I don’t think anyone will disagree with that. I think it starts with Rey. Most mocks have him going about 12, so I’m very hopeful. I love Chung in the second round, absolutely. And a DT in the third would be awesome too.
I didn’t mean to attack you, I’m very passionate about this for some reason. I can see where you are coming from, I just think that there are other options.
One other thing I wanted to mention was that NE seems to have gotten by ok at the RB position with a committee. I’d be totally down with that if thats the direction McJedi wants to take us.
by CalgaryFan on Jan 30, 2009 11:54 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
“Unlimited desires, limited means.” RB is not nearly as big a need as just about everywhere on the defense. Besides, a couple mocks I’ve seen have Moreno going very late in the first round.
Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. When the fear has gone past, I will turn to see fear’s path. Where the fear has gone, there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
Bene Gesserit saying. (From Dune, by Frank Herbert)
by bradley on Jan 30, 2009 12:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
NE Drafted Maroney...
I get what you’re saying and I sympathize. Like I said above, I’d be happy to have Rey and wouldn’t be upset if we took Raji. All I’m trying to do is ask if we could improve our defense sufficiently and spend our first pick on a position of less need. Moreno is an elite talent and underrated for no apparent reason; in other words, he’d be a steal at #12.
by ejruiz on Jan 30, 2009 7:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
In a word, absolutely. We can improve our defense without the use of a first round pick on that side of the ball
I think it would be an insult to the men you hired, M. Nolan and all the other coaches we brought on board. This staff will whip these boys into defensive shape. 8 other picks and Free Agency…they better be able to fix it.
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
by Steve O' on Jan 30, 2009 7:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a man, who had a car
It was a very fast car. It drove as well as the driver could handle it, but over time, the brakes wore out. Concerned, the owner took it to the shop where they recognized that the brakes were shot, but while he was there, they sold him on a new, more powerful supercharger. He had it installed and drove cheerfully off. Until he had to stop, of course.
Or until we have to stop someone. :-D I know – it’s nice to think about a new, powerful, dominant force on offense, and I’m quite sure that Moreno could possibly be the next Adrian Petersen. But our offense is pretty darned good, if very, very young. It will mature and get even better, but before we add that last supercharger we might want to look at the long term effects of not using another 1st round pick on a faint, trembling and nearly terminal defense.
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Jan 30, 2009 12:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Nah
He doesn’t have nearly the power that Peterson does. His elusiveness is better, but he isn’t going to be seen running through a lot of NFL players.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 30, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think We Agree More Than You Think...
I get the need on defense, both in quality and quantity, but Moreno is an amazing talent.
by ejruiz on Jan 30, 2009 7:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We're not saying totally ignore the d.
McDaniels was the best option for this team. You CAN NOT overfocus on the defense and possibley have Jeremy Bates not progress with Cutler. McDaniels will watch over both sides of the ball, especially the O, while letting a defensive guy handle the D along with an intelligent GM.
Mac Daddy mackin' out Denver!!!
by broncodude793 on Jan 31, 2009 4:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If some have it thier way we'll spend a 1st rounder on a RB this year.
Then next year people will want to spend a 1st rounder on TE or WR. Some people just love offensive weapons. I don’t blame them it makes it fun to watch. But what I would rather see is a defense that can stop opposing teams. That means we need to pick up players that can be effective immediately next year. Translation 1st and 2nd round picks on defense.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jan 30, 2009 1:16 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'll go so far as to say....
Matt Stafford better personally thank Moreno if he goes #1 overall to Detroit. Not a slight against Stafford, but Moreno’s game sure helped Stafford rise to the top of the QB list, IMO… Though I want defense defense and more defense…the one offensive player I could live with at #12 is Moreno.
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
John C. Calhoun --
by bcfunk on Jan 30, 2009 1:40 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Stafford Is A Joke.
I wouldn’t take him in the first round at all…
by ejruiz on Jan 30, 2009 7:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
On a plane heading to Atlanta I talked to a die hard Bulldogs fan who said Stafford is the next Ryan Leaf
I was shocked…I thought he was going to say P. Manning, I was like…dude, aren’t you a fan of the Bulldogs…he said yeah but Stafford sucks!
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
by Steve O' on Jan 30, 2009 7:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope for his sake he's not the next Ryan Leaf...
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
John C. Calhoun --
by bcfunk on Jan 30, 2009 9:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He's Not A Bulldog Anymore...
That’s why I can get behind Knowshon now! Seriously though, anyone that’s watched UGA in the Stafford era knows two things: he has all the tools, but he doesn’t have the heart/mind to get the most out of it. He’s a bust waiting to happen and I’ve been saying it for quite some time now.
by ejruiz on Jan 30, 2009 9:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’ve seen Stafford a few times last season, and I kept getting the impression that A.J. Green was saving his ass a lot of the time. A receiver that tall and he was still doing everything he could to overthrow him. He looks like a headcase in the making.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 31, 2009 3:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If your defense is out there for 35 minutes, they're going to give up some points.
We learned something this year. We can not go with a running back by committee with these current guys. Fragile Selvin, Tater Tot Tatum, and Tanked Torain are waaaaaay to fragile.
I’ll put this in terms of baseball. For years the Chicago Cubs were waiting and waiting for some pitching to pair with the good offensive teams they had. They had talented guys who were ALWAYS injured in Wood, Prior, Zambrano, Willis, Clement, and Tavaras. Everyone of these guys are known to now be fragile, though were thought to be perenial HOF’s when they came out. Now Prior and Willis are wailing away in suck. Zambrano is declining at a young age. Clement isn’t even playing anymore. Tavaras retired, IIRC.
My point is, we don’t know if J.D. is going to run things exactly the same as NE and that at some point we’re going to need a dependable back. For all of you saying that we have one of the best offenses, the point totals compared to yardage is honestly a disgrace. We had a young qb, who to me, made rookie like mistakes at points.
How long does it take to develop a NT? A number of seasons no matter where drafted. Our corners are not what they were suposed to be. We have questions AAAAAAAALLL over the defense. Yet, if we don’t maintain the offense, Cutler is going to get messed up somehow.
If you have 8 other picks and free agency, plus Nolan, and you can not make this defense at lest top 20, then something is wrong. If we sign one of the big free agents and have 8 other draftees, while ensuring that some pressure will be taken off of Cutler, which makes efficiency better, I think you do it.
I think we’re putting a little to much into DT. If Raji failes, then we would essentially have to restart next year. I think you take a LB or RB so you make sure you at least get something that will make a major improvement now.
To me, you go RB, then straight D in the rest of the draft.
McDaniels was the best option for this team. You CAN NOT overfocus on the defense and possibley have Jeremy Bates not progress with Cutler. McDaniels will watch over both sides of the ball, especially the O, while letting a defensive guy handle the D along with an intelligent GM.
Mac Daddy mackin' out Denver!!!
by broncodude793 on Jan 31, 2009 3:24 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
by Steve O' on Jan 31, 2009 3:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
As Guru has said,
The TD check has been cashed. We need to stop fiddling around with this RB thing. The perfect example. Look at the Freakin Arizona Cardinals. They could not run a lick during the majority of the regular season. They went 9-7, a similar record to ours. Then, they said hey lets run. We’ve got the guys to do it. Now, no one can cover Fitzgerald and Warner may make it in the HOF.
You can not half way build a team foundation, then rush away to build the next floor because it looks bad.
McDaniels was the best option for this team. You CAN NOT overfocus on the defense and possibley have Jeremy Bates not progress with Cutler. McDaniels will watch over both sides of the ball, especially the O, while letting a defensive guy handle the D along with an intelligent GM.
Mac Daddy mackin' out Denver!!!
by broncodude793 on Jan 31, 2009 4:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The defense isn't even a floor at this point, they barely have a foundation.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Feb 1, 2009 7:24 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
the offense
is the foundation of this football team.
McDaniels was the best option for this team. You CAN NOT overfocus on the defense and possibley have Jeremy Bates not progress with Cutler. McDaniels will watch over both sides of the ball, especially the O, while letting a defensive guy handle the D along with an intelligent GM.
Mac Daddy mackin' out Denver!!!
by broncodude793 on Feb 1, 2009 8:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

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