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An Early Off Season Wishlist

Its four days into January and already I find myself scouring the internet for available talent that will help the Broncos for 2009. And already I've found myself compiling off season moves I hope Denver makes in an effort to recapture a trip to the promised land. Or at the very least a playoff game. After much soul searching and careful evaluation of our needs I have managed this list. I'm a list kind of guy.

Number One
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Name: Steve Spagnuolo
Position: Head Coach
Reasoning:
This guy is an absolute talent. Not only that but I truly believe he can come in and make an immediate impact with many of the defensive players we have. Yes, Denver's defense was abysmal this season. Yes, we lack quite a bit of talent in places we shouldn't, but I fully believe with Spags' brilliant defensive schemes we can turn what we have into something manageable. I know it doesn't seem like it, but Denver does have some very coachable young talent on defense . I'd like to see Steve come in and shape these guys. I'm talking about guys like Spencer Larsen, Josh Barrett, Wesley Woodyard, Marcus Thomas, and even Jarvis Moss. There is a lot of talent there and in the right hands I think they can all shine in this league. I'm still torn on the Shanahan issue, but for now its best to move forward I think and with our offense in play I fully believe Mr. Spagnuolo is the best fit for our team.

Number Two
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Name: Albert Haynseworth
Position: DT
Reasoning:
We need him. He is the most dominant DT in the league and he will immediately improve our run defense. We will have to pay top dollar to get him, but he will be WELL worth it - especially if I get my first wish. He becomes a free agent this season as a condition of his making the pro bowl this season and with the Titan's success this year he may not be looking to switch teams, but an early playoff loss and the right contract might lure him into wearing orange and blue next season. He's a run stopper and a play maker - two things we haven't had at DT in too long. Marcus Thomas would also benefit greatly from his presence and leadership. A great addition to any team, Haynesworth might solve our run defense woes all by himself.

Number Three
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Name: Taylor Mays
Position: FS
Reasoning:
I currently live in Southern California so hearing about USC football is pretty common place. And of all the talent Pete Carroll has recruited in recent years I believe Taylor Mays to be the best. Denver is in dire need of a playmaker at the FS position and Mays is just that. Coming in at 6'3" and 230lbs he has great size. But thats just the beginning. He runs a 4.32s forty. 4.32! His vertical is measured at 41"! This guy is talented, smart, and comes from a good pedigree. Plus he hits hard. Really hard. We lacked much of any production from our safeties this season and Mays will change that. He is going to be a force in this league and if we don't pick him up we'll regret it every time we play against him. With the 12th pick its unlikely he'll still be on the board when Denver is on the clock, but I'm not against trading up for him. I'm all for it to be honest.

Number Four
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Name: Julius Peppers
Position: DE
Reasoning:
He'll be a free agent after this season and while I'd rather have Haynesworth it wouldn't be terrible to get Peppers instead - it would be quite the opposite. Denver needs a big FA signing this off season and we don't need an offensive one. Peppers would drastically help out Bailey and Bly by doing something Denver has been terrible at in recent years: pressuring the QB. Bly and Bailey are GREAT corners but they can't beat the both the QB and WR every play. Any QB/WR combo in the league will find open space a few times a game if given enough time. They need someone to make that ball come out quicker and Peppers is up to task. He's freakishly athletic and WILL force errant throws which will lead to turnovers (which we also haven't been doing well lately). He'd be a great addition, albeit an expensive one. Plus the grooming factor with Jarvis Moss is a huge plus. I haven't fully given up on Moss yet, so bringing a veteran DE like Peppers might be just what Jarvis needs.

Number Five
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Name: Darren Sproles
Position: RB
Reasoning:
I've become a big fan of the "running back by committee" strategy. And I think given all our issues at RB bringing in a vastly talented back such as Sproles would be an absolutely terrifying prospect for the rest of the league. I'm not saying we don't have talent at RB - I just want more. Hillis proved to be an excellent power back and I think Sproles will be the lightning to his thunder. He's got excellent speed and more than that he plays with intensity and heart every time he's on the field. I just watched him almost single handedly dispatch the Colts and would love to see him on our side. Plus it doesn't hurt to take talent like his from the only division rival that matters. I know quite a few of you will wonder what I propose happens to the other six RBs from the 2008 fiasco that was our run game and to be completely honest I'm not sold on any of them. Selvin Young shows flashes of genius but he wasn't so strong before he got hurt. Pittman's getting hurt was a huge blow - he's a great power back and was a TD machine, but he's a bit on the older side which doesn't bode well given his IR status all last year. And were to begin with Torain? He could be a great talent and if he stays healthy I want him to remain a Bronco. But I can't bank on that and nobody else can. As for the others, well, only Bell really impressed me. He played well against SD and really demonstrated to me he wants to be in Denver. And not in a kiosk but on the field. But Sproles has taken up Tomlinson's rushing duties well and would be a perfect fit for our zone blocking scheme (if we keep it).

Oh and a side note: Sproles AND Royal on KR/PR? I just smiled as I wrote that.

That is all I have for now. I'm sure I'll find more as we approach the 2009 season. More than anything I hope we can find a coach whose up to the task of replacing one of the greatest coaches of all time. They're big shoes to fill and it'll take an extraordinary talent to come close.

Feel free to add your comments and I'll do my best to reply.

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All good suggestions...

I have been pondering a Hillis/Sproles backfield myself. I think Sproles would fit in nicely plus weaken the Dolts. But will they part with him? At what cost?

Mays might be available. Most safeties arent taken in the top 12 (Donte Whitner was 8 I believe a couple years ago), but not usually. Great player who would help.

by BroncoJeff on Jan 4, 2009 2:09 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Sproles is...

A free agent at the end of this season if I’ve done my research correctly. Knowing LT is going to be the starter next year some money and a chance to split carries might be enough to pull him away.

Winning a playoff game hurt our chances at him though.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 4, 2009 2:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sproles will be getting attention

much like Turner did, but I actually think this is the year that AJ Smith pulls his head out of his wazoo and tries his best to resign sproles.

I noticed SD playing Michael Bennet last night as well, anyone know how long his contract was for? He would be an inexpensive veteran addition, and his style is a good fit for our current scheme, which, of course, might change soon.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 4, 2009 8:22 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

figures

Sproles will be the odd man out then, as I don’t the Charger’s trading or cutting LT. Now the question is, Who all is going to be bidding on Sproles??

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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 4, 2009 10:11 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe

That SD will tag Sproles. LT has not carried the rock more that 7 times in his last 3 playoff games (@INDY, @ne, indy). He turns 30 before next season and historically RB’s once they hit 30 their productions declines big time. I think that SD may entertain getting rid of him and foing with Sproles and Bennett more. Now as a Bronco fan I hope either Tenn or Pitt really shuts him down and makes his games against Denver and Indy was due to the bad run defenses

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 4, 2009 10:17 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No offense

But I hope you’re wrong :).

But you’re probably right.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 4, 2009 12:32 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

me too

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 4, 2009 12:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That is what a co-worker of mine told me.

He thinks they will put the franchise tag on Sproles. However, it will be interesting to see because there are three RBs and someone will end up being the odd man out because keeping all three will be quite expensive.

"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan

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by weazel on Jan 7, 2009 1:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

Now if they tag Sproles does that make Bennett or LT expendable? I hope he does tag him. Because after 09 they have Phyllis, Merriodman, McNeil, Chambers all coming up on Free agency. The 2 they HAVE to keep in Phyllis and McNeil, but I would love for Sproles and LT to hamstring them for after the 09 offseason

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 10, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

bears?

they have forte

by purplesocks on Jan 6, 2009 12:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And Detriot

seems pretty happy with Smith.

"If you don't know where your going you might find yourself somplace else."

by BroncoJoe87 on Jan 6, 2009 3:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't see

SD being stupid enough to allow Sproles to leave after letting Turner go last year and turn in to the 2nd best running back for the season. But, of course, they were dumb enough to fire Marty at 14-2 and hire Norv…

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 5, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sproles is toast

They may franchise him, but they’re paying LT like $10 million a year and Bennet is getting $4 million over 3 years.

And after Sproles’ performance this season he’s going to want them to show him the money and I just don’t think they’re going to be willing to spend it – plus they just drafted Jacob Hester, too.

Then again they could always trade Bennet and take the cap room hit. Who knows?

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 5, 2009 11:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

who would trade for Bennett?

I really hope Sproles hamstrings (pun intended) the Chargers and with them keeping LT it would be sweet for them to be at or near the cap after the 09 season

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 10, 2009 1:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Bennett is not good.

He never paned out in Minnesota, and there is a reason the guy has been on four teams since the 2005 season. He’s fast, but does not bring much else to the table. Think Tatum Bell.

"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith

by The Heat on Jan 6, 2009 1:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Laron Landry too..

Great safties usually get taken quite high in the draft… I have a feeling we will have to trade up

Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"

A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....

by Elway4Prez on Jan 4, 2009 11:04 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great List

Landing 3 of 5 of these people will greatly improve our team

WE NEED MAYS!

by KevinJames3 on Jan 4, 2009 3:25 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Get 4 of those...

And I am happy…Start with Spags, then get Sproles and one of the FA defensive players(Haynesworth or Peppers), top it off with Mays and Yahtzee!!!

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by John Bena on Jan 4, 2009 7:11 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

People think we need LBs...

Agreed. I could even go as far as to say get Spags, get a big ticket defensive free agent, and get a solid rookie performer and this defense will be ranked in the upper 20s. Thats not great but it sure is a huge swing in the right direction.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 4, 2009 12:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we have the LBs

just need a solid/stud MLB.

DJ when healthy is great, Woodyard and Larsen (will return to LB if Spags becomes our HC) showed what they can do on the field when they were called on last season.

It would be a huge upgrade to get rid of Webster and Boss (did well when he was in but, when was he in?). Winborn can be a backup and Louis Greene can backup and play ST.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 5, 2009 12:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

100% agree.

Woodyard was a helluva pick up wasn’t he?

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 5, 2009 11:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No to Taylor Mays. WE need Maualuga in 1st, followed by Clay Matthews in the 3rd. I'd say Brian Cushings if we had an additional 1st rd pick. But NO NO NO to Taylor Mays.

 He’s the overhyped beneficiary to a very talented front 7. We’re fine w/Barrett and Woodyard as safeties

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by Hogblog on Jan 4, 2009 9:29 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

That draft strategy would certainly take care of any LB deficiencies we might have...

just a few questions, how are you so confident in Woodyard’s ability to play safety? Have you ever seen him play safety? If he were ever to play a true safety position, and not that b.s. 4th linebacker and call him a safety that he played in the Carolina game, which safety position would he play? It seems like both Barrett and Woodyard would be best at strong safety. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a true FS on the team? Or do you think Barrett will be ready to be the starting day FS next year?

I’ll agree the SC linebackers are the best collection on the same college team I’ve seen in a long time, probably ever. What is it about Mays’ game that you don’t like? I’ve heard a lot of bloggers say he is over hyped, or is a work out warrior. My problem with that is those comments are usually reserved for a second or third round prospect, who blows everyone away at the combine, and shoots up the draft board and into the first round. Mays has been a first round prospect all along. Is an absolute freak of nature. He has the NFL pedigree. No attitude, or injury problems, and plays a NFL style center fielder safety position. I would really appreciate if you could explain why he is over hyped, because I honestly don’t get it.

by donbok1 on Jan 4, 2009 10:20 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you like USC?

Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan

by Steve O' on Jan 4, 2009 11:11 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Does it show?

I think their D is electric. If we end up with just one of those guys in April I’d be very happy, any one of them. I’m not saying that Mays is the best safety out there, if he even declares. I just don’t understand what people see in his game that makes him overhyped. I think he has all the tools to come in the NFL and be one of the best.

by donbok1 on Jan 4, 2009 11:21 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Best college team...BAR NONE...I would love to see this team against Tebow!

Cushing, Mays, Matthews, Rey….any would ne GREAT additions to our team….and YES I like USC!!!

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by boydy2669 on Jan 4, 2009 9:45 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Mays is overhyped.

Look at his statistics. He’s has freakish athletic ability and speed.

Even if he’s overhyped as you put it I think any DC would love to be able to groom someone like that.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 4, 2009 12:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get Woodyard at Safety

or whatever he was doing during the Carolina game.

I think he did his best when he was subbing for DJ while DJ was recovering from his MCL injury. He and Larsen shut down Michael Turner during the Atlanta game (along with a huge step up from the D-Line).

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"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 5, 2009 12:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Now

I really would love Mays, I want a MLB. Now If Vilma is a FA would he be a good fit here in Denver. IF Denver gets a Haynesworth typeof DT. ( I am going on the record, I dont want a bad guy like Haynesworth. Havent the Broncos been burned enuff with character issues already?) I personally would like to see Denver hire Morris, but Spags would be just as great. I think this team is 3 defensive players away from being a legit SB challenger

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 4, 2009 10:12 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

vilma i think i read somewhere he is an UFA

He also was Part of the Miami Hurricane linebacking corp with DJ WIlliams

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by TommyTSlice on Jan 4, 2009 2:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He never stays healthy though

Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan

by Steve O' on Jan 4, 2009 3:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like he would fit right in

;-)

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 5, 2009 12:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

:(

Too soon

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 5, 2009 11:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Mays

Mays is an intriguing prospect; him and Barrett at safety would be pretty scary. Whilst MLB is a need, there are plenty of FA options (my personal favourite is Karlos Dansby) as well as the possibility of staying with Larsen.

by Muse_Cubed on Jan 4, 2009 10:17 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

If you get 2 -5 than #1 is irrellavent.

My wish list as of right now is in no particular order:

Knowshon Moreno (RB) , Patrick Chung (S), Julius Peppers (DE), Evander Hood (DT) and Karlos Dansby (LB). Aquire these men and Denver will win 13 next year.

I have looked at over 100 mock drafts already this year and about 40% have us taking Mauluga in the first, the other 20% is Knowshon Moreno, about 15% is Taylor Mays than a few odd ball picks.

Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan

by Steve O' on Jan 4, 2009 10:23 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I dont know about you

But I like Shonn Green out of Iowa more than Moreno. But I dont think Denver needs a rb early, the need defense, defense, defense

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 4, 2009 10:25 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Shon Green is a great back, but he is big, a bruiser. I like Hillis in that role.

Knowshon is best pass catching back. Did you see that catch against Mich. St. He is a 4.4 back with the kind of athleticism that you don’t get often. He catch, block, run between the tackles and around the edge. He will get 20 carries a game, Hillis 15 and Cutler throws 30. That offense will be so balanced that it eats up clock and controls the football games.

Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan

by Steve O' on Jan 4, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Denver needs a Green type of back to go with Hillis, who can catch out of the backfield wuite well. Dont get me wrong I do like Moreno, but I am a bit more on the Green bandwagon. I think if Denver had him, Hillis, and a speed guy that would be a really nice trifecta

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 4, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

If Denver picked Green I would be jumping in my seat excited.

I think from a financial standpoint, Knowshon is the speed back who can carry it often and Hillis pound it. I don’t need another back. Aldridge is a blazer who can get 2 or three carries in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

You only get one pick to choose I wouldn’t want to draft the guy that I still need to add parts to make complete. I would just take the complete back.

In reality, Denver will draft Maulauga or Mays depending on what Cleveland does, they are the wrench in the MLB plans. In the second round Denver will take a DT like Hood, than in the third round will address RB. There will be plenty of them with skill still available in the third. The RB from Connectictut, one of the backs from Clemson, Javon Ringer…their are a ton of backs.

My point is that I am forever going to wonder what it would be like to root for an LT type running back. I want a top 15 blue chip RB to root for not some Pratice Squad stiff hipped north south runner who when the line gets blown up gets nothing.

Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan

by Steve O' on Jan 4, 2009 10:51 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

that could happen

in 2010 or beyond. I agree I cant see Denver drafting a RB in day one. I would not mind getting a LT type of back that doesnt act like LT- though

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 4, 2009 10:56 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

When Shanahan wanted a QB he had no hesitation jumping up and grabing one,

I understand that QB is valuable like no other position, but for just one year, once I want a first round holy cow that dude is nasty RB.

Above all I want to see us in the post season and winning. This Philip Rivers winning last night is giving me heartburn like nothing I have ever ate.

Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan

by Steve O' on Jan 4, 2009 11:05 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

you are lucky

I had endure all the wagon riders here honking their horns and acting almost as bad as they did last week. They are the worst fans, if you want to call them that, anywhere. I want Tenn or Pitt to destroy them.

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 4, 2009 11:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

philly fan is worse than SD fan. SD fan is just arrogant and ignorant bad combo

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 4, 2009 11:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

you are correct

I hate SD fans. All they did last season was talk about how much Rivers sucked and now all I hear is how he’s the greatest QB to ever live.

And LT is still the best RB in the NFL.

I hate living in California just because of Charger fans.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 4, 2009 12:36 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

well

at least you dont get raider fans who actually agree with the ctack pipe thinking of al davis, like i do in Nor Cal

by robbo650 on Jan 4, 2009 12:46 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

they are even worse now

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 4, 2009 12:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't blame you, Steve

But, if you put our needs on a 1 – 10 list, given that Hillis showed signs of being a very solid, physical, 2-down back, would you say that RB or, say, safety, DT or LB is a bigger problem for us? Just a thought. (I’d love a #1 RB pick too, but did you notice this year how few made it through a full NFL season?)

Jim Goodman for Broncos GM!

by Emmett Smith on Jan 4, 2009 1:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Doc, I agree with you....and that is the problem.

Let me explain. Every year, regardless of the circumstances since Davis left and then we traded Portis I have heard an excuse why it isn’t smart to draft a RB. Every year I think please draft _ (insert RB here) and we don’t. I agree that if you look on the needs scale RB isn’t the highest need for this defense that is horrendous. I value the RB position higher than I do anything but QB. If you have a dynamic RB it masks other difficiencies.

When the Broncos are on the clock with the 12th pick and if I was GM, I am taking Mauluga or Mays however I wish for Moreno because I love to root for a talent like his and because a CJ Spiller in later rounds is the smarter thing to do, unless he runs in the low 4.3 range in the combine than he is gone and I would have to look at the other options. The draft has so many variables that it really is hard to speculate. Other teams change your direction. Last season if Clady went before 12 we would have J. Stewart on our team and I would be happy as all get out. But he fell, I am very glad he did and the rest is history.

My point is give this young nucleus a RB to grow with over the next couple of years and we will be markedly better. Then dedicate your all your waking Personel hours finding defensive players.

Sorry if that is confusing…reminds me of “The Princess Bride”…“truly you have a dizzying intelect”….“wait till I get going!!”

Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan

by Steve O' on Jan 4, 2009 2:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Loved that film...

I do see your point, of course, and I like Spiller among others. I have to say, though – I have a lot of faith in two things. First, there are going to be several very good RB on the market this year (I have a jones for D. Ward, but there are others). I’m going to be looking for someone that is not projected as NFL talent but who has performed as NFL talent.

The least helpful 1st round pick is WR – statisically, few of them work out. RB is second from what I’ve read. Hey, who thought that Hillis would be the most productive of the Arkansas backs this year (and even he wound up injured in one of the most freak incidents I’ve ever flinched from)?

Ward or Jacobs, or even Sproles (I don’t think SD will let him go after this year, though). There are others. I’d like to buy or trade for a proven back to pair with Hillis. If we got Ward and Sproles I’d make Hillis an H back and expect to see him in the Pro Bowl in a couple of years!

Jim Goodman for Broncos GM!

by Emmett Smith on Jan 4, 2009 6:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

3 rookies rushed for over 1200 yards

Forget about McFadden, who is an upright runner that I never liked.

Slaton, Forte and Chris Johnson all over 1200 yards

J. Stewart – 4.5 yards a carry

F. Jones – 8.9 a carry

Kevin Smith 976 yards and don’t forget about P. Hillis, Tim Hightower, T. Choice and Ray Rice, all of them helped their teams a heck of a lot more than Jarvis Moss or Tim Crowder.

The NFL is full of big strong men. College defensive lineman are not used to how strong NFL olineman are. When I heard that Jay Cutler and Eddie Royal benched 225 more times than Jarvis Moss, I knew he was in trouble and so were we.

Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan

by Steve O' on Jan 5, 2009 6:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone....

Get Moss a protein shake.

Quickly.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 5, 2009 11:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

EDDIE ROYAL FOR DEFENSIVE END!!!!

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I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!

by papigrande on Jan 6, 2009 5:01 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 7, 2009 12:06 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Depending on our HC

We may need an explosive back.

Especially if we ditch the zone blocking scheme.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 5, 2009 11:36 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan

by Steve O' on Jan 4, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Jacobs would be awesome

But way, way to expensive for a position where we already have some talent. That money would be better suited going toward our defense.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 4, 2009 12:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The giants are most likely going to resign Jacobs

thats what i have been reading. so ward will hit the FA

by purplesocks on Jan 6, 2009 1:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Ward is on my wishlist...

But I say only as a backup to Sproles. I say Sproles, Hillis, then draft a late round runningback who is obviously NFL capable but has a completely clean injury report. Someone like a Timmy Hightower..

Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"

A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....

by Elway4Prez on Jan 4, 2009 11:10 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

No quick fixes

- Spags would be great as DC, but I’m not sure he’s the answer at HC.
- Haynesworth probably won’t be available, but even if he is, haven’t we learn our lesson about trying to rebuild through FA? If we already had a solid defense and only needed one or two key players to put us over the top, then FA makes sense, but we need help at too many positions still.
- Mays: we certainly could use help at FS and USC has a history of producing good safeties, but I’m not sure he will be available, nor am I sure that’s the area of greatest weakness. Given the option between a great safety in round 1 and a great DT, I’d take the DT.
- Peppers: too old; need help at too many other positions to try to rebuild through FA.
- Sproles: I like Sproles but I have two issues with him. First, I don’t see where he adds that much to this team. We have quick backs (Bell, AA) it’s a workhorse we need. Also, I really don’t see SD letting him go to the Broncos. Word is they signed Bennet just to keep him from the Broncos. If they were willing to do that, why would they let Sproles go to us?

We need a good DC and a good STs coach. Along with that we need a good all around draft focused on defensive players, especially up the middle. If reasonably priced FAs become available they might be worth signing for depth, but we need to rebuild the defense through the draft the way we have rebuilt the offense. It’s not as sexy as signing high profile FAs and it takes longer, but it’s the way all great teams have been built.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 4, 2009 12:14 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I want a high profile FA signing

Because typically they’re proven guys who can really help out the young guys. I still believe Jarvis Moss was a good pick but with an offensive minded HC and very little proven talent in the pass rush guys like him can take awhile, if ever, to develop. Peppers will have tons of advice for Moss and Dumervill and they’ll get better having him around. Plus he can have an immediate impact – if only for two seasons.

I mean look at the Patriots last year. They had a ton of old talent and look at what they did.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 4, 2009 9:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

and how many of them...

were high profile FAs; Thomas is the only one I can think of. Moss was a trade (4th round pick) and, at the time, considered VERY high risk. Welker was under the radar, Stallworth was the big name and he was largely a bust.
NE built their team not through high profile FAs, but through the draft and selective FA signings.
how many high profile FAs have been busts vs. how many have truly been worth it?

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 5, 2009 12:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're forgetting

Seau :)

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 5, 2009 11:27 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree about a FA D-Lineman

Though I think Haynesworth will resign with the Titans, I am becoming more and more open to getting a stud DL through free agency since it takes 2-3 years for a DL to mature. I think our DB problems are mostly exposed due to our lack of talent on the D Line.

To bring in a proven DL (Hayneworth, Peppers, etc.) will allow us to see what we really have at Safety. I’m not sold on anyone back there currently (except maybe Barrett), but given the lack of pressure from the current front 7, I’m not sure Atwater or Smith would be as good as they were.

Hopefully, with an emphasis on defense during the off-season, we can see if Larsen is truly the next coming of Al Wilson at MLB and not be split have to try to be the next Howard Griffith at FB.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 5, 2009 2:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I read a quote once

I think it was from Champ Bailey. I don’t remember it verbatim but it was something like

“Our secondary has been really clicking and doing a good job, but so many times a game I look back and see the ball harmlessly being thrown out of bounds or hitting the dirt. That makes our job easy.”

Ask Bailey what would make him look like the superstar he is. Its simple, we need PRESSURE and a solid run stop. Bailey is a hell of an athlete but when he’s constantly having to come up and make the play or even if he’s worried he might have to he can’t do what Bailey does best. Same with Bly.

If the Broncos could create the pressure they did in 2006 (and stop the run) we would still be playing right now, period. It all snow balls from that. How many times did you scream at your TV this season because it would be 3 and a zillion and the other team would convert? As far as I’m concerned all that time the other teams offense spent on the field detracted from me getting to watch one of the most entertaining offenses in the league.

Oh and imagine how many more points we would have scored with more turnovers generated from pressure or even just putting the ball in Cutler’s hands more. Imagine how many fewer INTS would have been thrown if we weren’t playing from behind all the time. You also brought up that even a stud DT or DE takes a few years to groom (save Mario Williams) and this is why I’m comfortable taking a safety in the first round (Mays). I’m sure if the Broncos organization does their research and invests 2-3 picks in the d-line great things will happen. And who knows maybe something will click for Moss and he’ll become the stud we’ve all been holding our breaths on. Same with Marcus Thomas.

That’s my take on the situation. Only one thing holds true though: teams are built on both lines. One of them is cutting it and one of them is not.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 5, 2009 11:15 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The Mays suggestion is my favorite here.

I’m not sold on Peppers or Haynesworth. I’m not sure that a team with as many defensive problems as we have should invest too much money in one position. Both are fantastic players, but are they fantastic enough to provide the bang for the buck. I’d seriously consider looking down the the rankings list at both positions 3 or 4 spots and try and find good players for a reasonable cost. At DE maybe on of the Cardinals players, Berry or Smith, who have both had good seasons. At DT maybe Javon Haye or Tank Johnson.

As far as Sproles goes, I like the idea on the surface. My biggest reservation there is that I think we may already have a guy with the same skill set on the roster who will not cost us the free agent bucks in Alridge. He really looks like an explosive player from what little we’ve seen of him.

Mays is a stud for sure. As far as the first round pick goes, I say we pick BAP among SAF, DT, or MLB with consideration for DE or RB if there is a can’t miss prospect available at 12. I haven’t really started looking at the draft since there are still a ton of underclassmen waiting to declare.

For HC I like Spags or Rex Ryan best, with Rick Dennison as sort of a dark horse favorite.

by jaffe28 on Jan 4, 2009 12:23 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Mays reminds me a little of another SC product who didn't do too badly for the Broncos.

Of course I’m talking about Dennis Smith. Big, fast, smart, aggressive. That guy could hit like a ton. Should be in the h.o.f. (de-emphasis added).

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Jan 7, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Always underrated

He was in the same secondary as Lott, but for Smith he had the good grace to go to Denver and get ignored by the MSM

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 10, 2009 1:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Lott and Smith both as USC at the same time drafted same year 1981

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 10, 2009 1:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it me or isn't Alridge the same player as Sproles

I just don’t see the need to get Sproles, I think Alridge is basically the same back, why pay to get something we already have on the roster.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
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by Broncoman on Jan 4, 2009 6:04 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Alridge is the lesser form of Sproles. And after seeing both play live, I gotta say Sproles seems faster...

…That’s not to say we shouldnt just keep AA. I really like him and even though I think he’s the lesser of the two backs, I think it’d be more intelligent just to have one big committee and spend the moolah on the D

Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"

A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....

by Elway4Prez on Jan 4, 2009 8:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I would love to see what Spagnuolo could

do with guys like Moss, Crowder, Dumervil and Marcus Thomas given what he’s done with the Giants line over the last 2 years.

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by Darin H on Jan 4, 2009 9:31 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

With the flashes that those guys have shown

over the past couple of years, I think that Spags would be able to get them to go consistently. It appears at times that they have the talent, but just can’t put it together for a season, game or series. Maybe, they just need the right coach/coordinator to put it together for them and get them in the position to succeed?

Lord knows they’ve been tossed around enough the past couple of years with Bates’s run-contain and Slowik’s whatever defensive schemes!

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 5, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I really wish

Those guys develop. I really, really do.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 5, 2009 11:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

So

Without reading any of the above comments (70 of them? I’m not sifting through all that. No way.), my immediate reaction is that Denver will be spending a shitload of money on free agents, and ones that will honestly probably be franchised. If either has one of those cool contracts that says they can’t be franchised two years in a row or something and do happen to hit the open market, I can’t imagine why Peppers or Haynesworth would come to Denver. Also, if Sproles hits the market, he’s going to be looking for a starting gig. I doubt Denver offers that, and if nobody else does, why wouldn’t he return to San Diego where he can sit behind a legend whose body is betraying him more and more every year and certainly isn’t getting any young?

I understand the idea behind a “wishlist”, but let’s try to be fairly realistic here.

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 6, 2009 7:03 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I figured one of them would and I didn’t feel like looking it up. I still don’t see any reason he would come to Denver.

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 6, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

In a word: money.

Not everyone cares just about winning or they’d join the Patriots for the league minimum.

Why couldn't I have been born in Denver?

by ChristianL on Jan 7, 2009 12:09 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't talking about winning.

I don’t see what a guy like Albert Haynesworth would gain from playing in Denver over a place like Tennessee. He’s already the key figure in a good defense, played college right down the road, and is an East coast guy. I just don’t see him in Denver. That being said, I would LOVE for that to happen.

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 7, 2009 3:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Julius Peppers

Peppers will be overpaid, and live off his name. He had a bit of a comeback this year, but he will command money like Jared Allen of the Vikings, and he is not worth it.

"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith

by The Heat on Jan 6, 2009 1:02 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Do NOT ever pick a high 1st round RB!!!!!

The surest way to skewer a team’s long-term prospects is to draft and/or pay peak FA money for a “franchise” RB… here’s why:

RBs are the most fragile (highest likelihood of injury), shortest-lived (earliest “peak” age) and most fungible position on an NFL roster. Their success is almost completely reliant on a good O-line, and a QB that can make the DEF back off enough to create some running lanes. There are maybe 10-15 execptions to this (B. Sanders, etc.) in the history of the NFL, but likely for 31 of 32 of any year’s starting RBs, you could get 90% of their production with a guy who costs 1/2 as much.

There are numerous studies showing that the best way to lower a teams YPCarry is not to injure their #1 RB, but instead to injure their #1 QB… the DEF then stacks the box rendering your “franchise” back irrelevant.

If we happen to luck into a “franchise” back in later rounds, GREAT (for example: B.Westbrook & B.Jacobs were 4th round picks), but any coach/GM who drafts a RB high in the first round should be immediately fired for incompetance. R.Grant, D.Ward, Sproles, W.Parker, anyone in Denver, etc. all show the value you can get for 20% the cost of a high round RB.

In a salary cap constrained league, the additional resources spent on a first round RB are almost 99.99% of the time better spent on a different position. Steven Jackson, Larry Johnson, Sean Alexander, Portis, even LDT… they take up so much cap & financial resources that other holes are left in their teams. Even in the unlikelihood the team actually drafts a HOF quality guy, there is a high likelihood to have them blow up for other reasons (T.Davis, R.Williams, etc.), sticking the team with dead $$ cap-hits. For all the success Purple Jesus has in Minny, Chester Taylor is 90% as effective, pass blocks better, and is a better receiver as his back up. And then all you can afford is T-Jax or Gus Ferrotte as the QB…

by cjfarls on Jan 9, 2009 1:20 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Wow

I like your commitment to your answer.

That’s a great concept. It does seem that RBs are successful because the system in which they play fits their style. In Denver (don’t lynch me for repeating this), the zone blocking system makes runners look better (I didn’t say we could plug in a 1000 yd back).

And you are right about the QB, which makes me that much more excited to see what Jay can do as a part of a TEAM instead of having to try to win every game through the air over long yardage. A defense to stop them even just half the time, a back to make them think we just might be running for gain at some point, and and Cutler will curb a few of those 400 yard games, but will have many more TDs and games in the W column.

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by HarvJNep2n on Jan 9, 2009 9:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Love the analysis CJ

but I will add the twist that makes this a discussion. Regardless of position, there will be players in the draft who will be great players. They might bring character or ethic, or just plain stubborn doggedness that they are alive and int he league in order to WIN. Their effect goes beyond X’s and O’s, beyond the limits of salary cap and roster space, and make them VALUABLE.

Now, what could be discussed here is whether you would limit your rule of thumb to the top 5 picks maybe, or the top ten or if you wished to apply it to the first round or first day, and I certainly don’t disagree with any of the points you mention.

At a certain point formulas and rules will all fall short of telling us WHO will make a good addition to a football team and under WHAT conditions. I would definitley argue that your points should be tempered with the acknowledgement that bringing in a FOOTBALL PLAYER can transcend almost any argument regarding round taken, height, weight, speed, etc…

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 10, 2009 4:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Bring in a Football Player with good character

A true Football Player doesn’t do much good if he is suspended.

Victor Frankl:

What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.

Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.

by wyoeng on Jan 10, 2009 8:07 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

I wouldn’t cite Albert Haynseworth as an example of a football player as described.

When he came out his scouting reports were all the same: no one can stop him IF. IF he is motivated, IF he can mature in the pros, IF, if if. ANd despite his sporadicly elite performances, he has yet to put all those ifs behind him. NOT a football player. Just a physically gifted young man.

On the other hand you have a guy like Royal, he was a football player from day one in the league, without a single official rep under his belt. the difference is entirely upstairs, in HOW they use and apply their minds.

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 11, 2009 3:02 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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