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Think Morris will be the same as Tomlin, think again.

Let me start of by stating that this has nothing to do with me liking or not liking Morris as a HC canidate, this is mainly a post to point out what I believe are some poor justifcation for Morris getting a shot at the Broncos HC job.

Lets look at the situation that Tomlin stepped into in Pittsburgh, this was a team coming off a Super Bowl hangover season where they had to overcome Ben Rothlesburger attempt to become Evil Kenievil in the offseason, thet had lost their motivation in Jerome Bettis retirement, and had a rough season.  In addition, they had lost their OC and OL coach in the offseason in Ken Wisenhut and Russ Grimm.  However, the team remained largely intact from the Super Bowl team of 2005, led by vets on both sides of the ball.  Tomlin kept the defensive staff (Dick Labeau) and kept the unit as a 3-4, even though many had thought since he was a "Tampa-2" guy that he would bring that defense with him, which was probably his best coaching move.  Offensively, the team remained similar to the 2005 team with ball control  offense and generally allowing Ben Rothesburger some more freedom for deep plays as Santio Holms started to blossum.  The only key starter that they lost was Alan Faneca.  Basically this team was still very talented, experienced, and did not require a overhaul, only someone who could help motivate the team week to week. 

Now lets look at Denver situation, any coach will likely overhaul the entire defense, including players and scheme, the team is lacking strong veteran leadership and playoff experience as that there are only three starters on the defense (Ekuban, Williams, and Bailey) and one starter on offense (Hamiliton) that remain from the 2005 AFC Championship team.  The offense will likely remain intact in scheme and players; however, there will likely be a fair amount of loyality to Shanahan and general distrust of a new coach, especially one that has limited experience.  To expect Morris to be able to come to Denver, overhaul the defense, gain the trust of the offense, and get the entire respect of team will be a tough task to ask anyone, especially someone who has never been a coordinator other than one year in college.

The point being that much of the success of a coach, especially early on, and ones with limited experience, depends greatly on the team that they inherit.  Look at guys that took over loaded teams and did well. Barry Switzer was widely considered one of the most stupid men to ever coach in the NFL, yet he won a Super Bowl, Bill Callahan took the Raiders to the Super Bowl.  Both coaches took over veteran led teams that had a good amount of playoff experience and won inspite of themselves. Now I will not say that Tomlin is in the same class as Switzer or Callahan, but I do want to point out that his situation is similar in that they did not face a major rebuilding project.  I have seen some disparging remarks regarding Lezlie Frazier getting a look at HC job because he inherited a good defense from Tomlin so that doesn't qualify as good expereince, I would argue he has more experience than Morris and if you use that arguement against Fraizer then the same arguement applies to Morris. 

    

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This is a team which is ready to make noise in the playoffs...

and maybe win a Super Bowl, with improved defensive personnel and performance, coupled with even average injury luck. If we can run the ball better in the Red Zone, with a guy like Hillis, this is right now a championship-caliber offense.

I don’t think it’s really reasonable for any of us to think we have the ability to know which of these coaches can do what. We’re not sitting in on these interviews. I know a lot of Steelers fans hated the Tomlin hiring a couple years ago, and you won’t find very many of them who would have a bad word to say about the guy now. He’s a natural head coach who grew into the job. Morris has the same kind of reputation, and if he gets the job, I for one would be pretty optimistic.

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by TedBartlett905 on Jan 4, 2009 7:39 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan

by Steve O' on Jan 4, 2009 8:06 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

100% agreed....

The Shanahan hire was not 100% agreed with. I like a young fiery coach for a young high octane team and I will welcome him with open arms!

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by boydy2669 on Jan 4, 2009 8:31 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This team

is closer to success than failure. It needs a few players on defense. Even though you tried to say you have nothing against Morris, clearly you dont want him as HC. That is evident. But sitting here you cant predict what he will bring to the table. I would not mind him. He is young, and enthusiastic and has been a good person on the Tampa defense. When he was gone the Bucs defense suffered. Also if I remember correctly Tomlin was not a popular hire and was getting beat up by the fans and the press. I think Denver would be a lot better defensively with him as HC.

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 4, 2009 10:09 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to hijack the thread

But one could make the argument that we could end up needing 7 or 8 (just off the top of my head) new starters on defense, plus depth, with potentially a new GM coming in.

by WABronco on Jan 5, 2009 1:25 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't see how you can say that we are a few players away on defense

I just think this analogy that he is young and will make Denver better is not a legite arguement. Most young coaches ultimately fail if they are taking over a young team. Again, just because he was a DB coach at Tampa Bay doesn’t mean he can actually coach a defense or put together one, Monte Kifin was the heart and sole of that defense in Tampa.

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by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 10:46 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so

Saying a retread coach IS the difference. The same shit was said about Tomlin. The thing is you do not know what his strenghts or weaknesses are. I can say the defense is 3 legit players away. A DT, MLB and safety will solidify the defense, Its not too much of a stretch to say improving those 3 players wont make this defense a middle of the pack. You dislike for him clouds your judgement on him. If I remember in 1981 the same things were being said about Dan Reeves who in 1974 was out of coaching and was thought the same way, lookie what happened there. took 3 teams to the playoffs and even took the Falcons to the Super Bowl. Plus I feel Bowlen would rather have a young guy like Morris or McDaniels than an older guy, SPags or that retread cowher

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 5, 2009 12:02 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tomlin inherited a Super Bowl team, Morris will not

I still think we are far from two players, I think you need three, D-lineman, a MLB, two safeties, and probably a CB or two, we will have to disagree on this point. I don’t dislike Morris, I just don’t think he has the experience to come in here and run the team.

Dan Reeves was an assistant coach for a long time with Dallas and their OC, plus he had a ton of experience as a player also, so I don’t see the analogy. Reeves also ingerited a team with a very good defense and didn’t have to rebuild it, he had Joe Collier and no one questioned his ability to coach a defense, since basically the 3-4 that everyone plays now is based on his schemes.

How is cowher a retread, he has been a coach for one team and done very well with that team with an ownership group there that is notoriously cheap and would not retain any free agents or get any for him. He had to develop all the talent that is on that team, that is what we need. I am not that big a fan of Spags, but at least he has shown he can turn a defense around.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman

by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 1:39 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why is the comparison being limited to Tomlin?

Why not Smith or Sparano? What we need is someone who can overhaul the defense and lead the team.

by WABronco on Jan 5, 2009 1:30 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because Morris is a young black defense coach...

If he was hired the comparison would be made. It’s horrible how comparisons are almost always made along race lines in the NFL but it’s the sad truth.

by SethGrandpa on Jan 5, 2009 3:16 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By my way of thinking, it's mostly because Morris came up working under Tomlin

He was Assistant DBs coach when Tomlin was DBs coach in Tampa, then got promoted after Tomlin left. The race thing is there, but the career profile is the more compelling factor in my opinion.

If Todd Bowles gets a job, I think he’d be compared to Sparano, since they’re both Parcells guys, and Bowles is a black guy who played Safety in the League for a number of years. It’s a better comparison to make. Does anybody think that Byron Leftwich profiles like Michael Vick? No way. Josh Freeman from Kansas State is a big pocket passer who is like Joe Flacco. Race can be a convenient dimension in making comparisons, but it’s often not appropriate.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by TedBartlett905 on Jan 5, 2009 6:00 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I was hoping it wasn’t that shallow.

by WABronco on Jan 5, 2009 12:39 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the comparisons to Spags are valid too

Although Spags has been a DC for longer, has shown he can overhaul a defense, something Morris has not shown.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
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by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 10:48 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tomlin

At least he had a year as DC before he went to Pittsburgh. Morris is just too young and inexperienced.

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by bradley on Jan 5, 2009 10:10 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Morris, McDaniels, Spags, they're all gambles

I personally would like to see Schwartz or Ryan interviewed as well, which is to say none of the current choices stands out to me as a lock.

In any case, Morris is inexperienced, but based on his coming up under Tomlin and time working with a very good defense, I believe he merits serious consideration. McDaniels worries me based on Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Mangini, etc., but he may be the exception, at present that is unknowable.

Spags had good playersi in place, they just weren’t playing to their potential. We on the other hand need someone to build a Defense via the draft and free agency.

Bowlen clearly isn’t interested in the likes of Cowher, so we’re looking for a retread or an up and comer. I’d prefer a DC to a position coach…from the sounds of it we’ll have our answer soon.

Firing Shanny to bring in another offensive guy WITHOUT GM powers would make no sense. We had a great offensive coach, this is why I find the McDaniels speculation crazy.

by mattison on Jan 5, 2009 11:37 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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