REPORT - Josh McDaniels the 'Front-Runner' to replace Shanahan?
Adam Schefter is reporting that while the Broncos highly impressed with Giants D.C. Steve Spagnuolo, the front-runner for the job just might be Patriots O.C. Josh McDaniels.
From the report --
For starters, McDaniels is at the stage in his career now that Dan Reeves was when the Broncos made him the youngest head coach back in 1981. Owner Pat Bowlen bought the team in 1984 and stayed with Reeves for nearly a decade.
When Bowlen later hired Shanahan in 1995 (after a two-year stint with defensive-minded Wade Phillips), the owner once again was drawn to the coach's youth and offensive imagination.
And, at 32, McDaniels would bring Bowlen the same attributes his two primary coaching hires have. Plus, as the Patriots' play-caller and offensive mastermind with defensive-minded head coach Bill Belichick, McDaniels got the most out of quarterback Matt Cassel. Just imagine what McDaniels could do with Pro Bowl quarterback Jay Cutler.
Denver still will go through an exhaustive interview process. But league insiders believe McDaniels is the coach to beat.
I just cannot see the sense in that. The Broncos already have a young, bright, up and coming offensive mind in Jeremy Bates. Oh, and the Broncos already have a Top-3 offense as well. It is the defense that needs work and until I hear what some of these offensive minds would do on defense I will hold firm with my preference of a defensive-minded Head Coach.
The report, which was posted to Schefter's blog also smells of complete speculation. The Broncos are being tight-lipped about the search and I doubt anything is really being leaked from Bowlen or Ellis in this matter.
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When Pat Fired Mike...
he was prepared for wholesale change, obviously—change including dumping the entire offensive staff. Granted, if we hire one of these DCs we’re interviewing, it would make sense to keep the guys Styg put on posters this weekend. However, if we hire a young offensive guy most of those guys are gone obviously. In addition, while I’m generally a fan of Bates, he does not have the resume of McDanials.
McDanials held a similar position to Bates in 2006, where he called the play and wasn’t a true OC and was very effective. Then, in 2007 he took charge of the entire offense at the coordinator level and put together the greatest year in history. This year, he did a great job coordinating an offense when its best player and leader went down in the first game. Throw in his experience on defense and you have the makings of a great head coach. Again, Jeremy Bates is no Josh McDanials.
This is an easy conclusion to draw, but maybe he brings in Crennel to run a 3-4 defense that we can build through the draft this year? Maybe that’s why he’s the front runner???
Personally, I would love this move. This is an offensive football team, and maintaining and improving the offense must be the number one priority. I posted last week about the hedgehog principle from my business background— if a company has a particularly strength or dominance in a certain area of business, it must focus on that first and foremost and must never get distracted. It must exploit that strength relentlessly without diluting it through excessive diversification.
I can draw some parallels here. Our strength is in the offense. If we bring in a defensive-minded coach and leave Jeremy, Bobby, and Rick alone over there, it may fall apart without Mike. Hell, many of us feel the offense went downhill when Kubs left, what’s going to happen to our current system without Mike??? Brining in a guy like McDanials ensures the offense will continue to improve. In addition, we have the talent on that side of the ball to be a pass-first, spread offense. Obviously, otherwise Mike wouldn’t have abandoned the WCO this year. Please don’t tell me Bates made that call in the offensive meeting room deep inside Dove Valley, he may have advocated, but it had to be Mike’s call.
If Josh can bring in a big-time DC with him like Crennel and the front office is committed to getting defensive talent in here through FA, Trades and the Draft, it’s a no-brainer in my mind.
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by ButteBronco on Jan 5, 2009 9:29 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I somewhat agree
I too have studied about the hedgehog principle during my MBA (which I just completed in December!) However, a sports franchise cannot be viewed as a typical business. In the normal business world, intently focusing on one area can be a great recipe for success. However, in sports and football especially, we saw this year what happens when one aspect of the team gets the focus and the other 2 don’t. We were number 3 in offense this year, but it didn’t do us any good because the defense and special teams were atrocious. I can understand putting most of the focus on the offense or defense, but unless you treat all 3 areas near equally, you will have issues like the Broncos had on defense and ST this year. This is why I want a defensive-minded coach and to keep offensive assistants in place as Guru does.
Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.
Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.
by 53guys on Jan 5, 2009 10:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that hedgehog doesn't fully apply,
and tried to “hedge” a little by saying that I see “some” parallels. However, my main concern is keeping the offense intact and running at a SB level. The offense is what will win this team a Super Bowl. Mike may have hedgehogged his way to a number one offense and terrrible defense and ST, but that’s were we stand. We are an offensive football team and we must keep our eye on the ball. If we bring in a DC and he keeps the current offensive coaches, I will be cautiously optimistic. If a guy like Spags wants to bring in a bunch of new guys and implement a new system with different coaches, I’ll be horrified. On the other hand, if we bring in an offensive coach with a great defensive staff, I’ll be pumped.
I realize our defense needs help. Hours before Mike was fired Guru wrote a great post about the need for continuity. An underlying premise of the argument is that the defense simply lacked talent. I still feel that way. Our defense is a few playmakers away from being serviceable. If we had just an average defense to match our elite offense, we could be SB contenders. We don’t need to hire a defensive coach to become an average defense, a good DC (like Crennel) and a good offseason in FA and the draft will get us there.
The risk of blowing up our elite offense for a pipe dream defense is too huge for me to get excited about.
Oh, congrats on finishing your MBA. I finished my Masters of Accountancy in 2007, which consisted of taking about 14 credits of MBA classes. Getting grad school behind you is a great feeling— enjoy it!!
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by ButteBronco on Jan 5, 2009 10:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks BB
I can’t tell you how happy I am to be finished! I pushed hard and finished 45 graduate hours in 2 years.
My fear is if we bring in an offensive HC, he will want to implement his offensive system. My hope is that if we bring in a defensive HC, he will want to keep the current offensive system in place.
Anyway, good stuff.
Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.
Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.
by 53guys on Jan 5, 2009 12:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
who's to say
that a new OC would clean house, and who’s to say a new Defensive Coach would’nt clean house? Personally I’m with you ButteBronco all the way! Do what you do best and deligate the rest to the best.
Tactics without Strategy is the noise you hear before Defeat!
by monodono on Jan 5, 2009 1:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no guarantee either way
Personally, I tend to believe that a guy known for his offensive prowess would try to install his own system, while a a guy known for defense might tend to let the current offensive system stay in place since it was so prolific this year.
Just my opinion.
Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.
Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.
by 53guys on Jan 5, 2009 1:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Inside Bowlen's head
Your comments triggered a thought. Bowlen didn’t fire Shanahan the coach but Shanahan the Head of Football Operations. He couldn’t be his best as a coach while being responsible for all aspects of the football enterprise, but it was probably out of the question that he would willingly go back to being a fulltime coach. Putting a good personnel man in charge of the draft would have meant not having to cringe while Mike followed his defensive instincts with our nine picks. But ultimately the only way to take the draft out of Shanahan’s hands, the only way to take the defense out of his hands, was to let him go. And if Bowlen hadn’t let him go right at the end of the season, but had waited, all the best coaching prospects would already have been taken.
I think Bowlen mainly wanted to get away from having the coach run the whole show, with his weaknesses becoming the organization’s weaknesses. I could see McDaniels, or even Dennison, as easily as Spagnuolo, because the coach won’t be the only voice, maybe not even the dominant one, in personnel decisions. Personally, I’d love to see Spags as HC but with the offensive coaching staff largely unchanged. That doesn’t mean the offense doesn’t need work. We might be third in yardage but we’re middle-of-the-pack 23.1 ppg in scoring. You’re elite only if you score a lot. But the defense is a disaster area and I can’t help thinking that a defensive mastermind could make better defensive choices in the draft and could do a better job of molding the veterans and rookies into
a coherent and effective unit. Morris would be an interesting choice, but I’m concerned that the jump from position coach to head coach might be too big. I’d like to see us get Spagnuolo, and Polian as GM. I love the style of defense Spags plays.
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by spock on Jan 5, 2009 1:27 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
On your first point
Schlereth made the same observation that if Shanny had just kept to coaching, he would be the best coach ever. The problem was that Shanny saw what he thought was the natural progression of the HC was to GM and tried to do both with the results that we’ve seen over the past few years.
Stink also drew the parallel to Holmgren who left Green Bay because they wouldn’t give him absolute power and went to Seattle where he got what he wanted. The Super Bowl appearance not withstanding, last year’s results show what happens when one person has all the control over a football team.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 5, 2009 4:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We Need the Best and Smartest Coach, Not the Best Defensive Tactician
Look guys, I understand that we have Jeremy Bates. And I understand that Eric Mangini and Romeo Crennel have been fired. And that Charlie Weis should be. But I prefer McDaniels to the to the other candidates by a fat margin. Why? He’s got experience on both sides of the ball. He’s come up through the ranks in an organization that values systems, schemes and on on-the-field approach that makes the GM’s job easier by prioritizing certain kinds of players over others.
Let’s go over the objections to McDaniels.
1) We already have Jeremy Bates. Great, keep him. I know the deck was stacked against the offense this year, but our guys had to move the ball a long way to score points. The Patriots have excelled at offensive efficiency (i.e., they typically travel far fewer yards per point scored).We’ve all seen the red-zone hell the Broncos have lived in for years. I’m sure Shanny’s approach rubbed off on Bates. McDaniels would be new thinking. New thinking is good!
As a bonus, I’d bet a large sum that McDaniels would keep the zone blocking system. The Patriots organization is all about maximizing value. Zone blocking lets you lock in a great running game cheap. The guy isn’t dumb and he would understand this.
2) Look at other Pats coaches running NFL teams — Yikes. Look, the other three guys were NFL lifers who fell into the Pats system for a few years and became highly sought-after targets because owners go the lazy route of hiring coordinators from championship teams. McDaniels differs from these guys in that he’s more entrenched in that system. He is by all accounts a comer in terms of brains and personality (try saying that about Weis and Crennel). Young stud versus retread who happened to be in the right place at the right time. You can’t worry about him because he’s from the Patriots — those arguments just don’t stand up.
3) We need a coach focused on D. No we do not. We need a coach who is smart and dynamic and who understands that the salary cap casts an increasingly long shadow on the playing field. I don’t know what Josh McDaniels would do on D. But I’m sure he’s put in place some kind of a scheme that maximizes value (a 3-4 which allows for cheaper pass rush, the Tampa-2, or something). Shanny’s scheme was execrable because it needed great all-around players to thrive. Not much of a scheme! McDaniels has worked on both sides of the ball and comes from an organization that understands the modern NFL game.
Look, Spags sounds like a pretty good coach. But if you look at the best organizations around the leage (the Pats and Steelers), you see a tight fit between coaching schemes and the front office. I don’t know that Spags would bring that here. But I’m sure McDaniels would.
by Chibronx on Jan 5, 2009 9:55 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Mcdaniels really does not have experience on both sides of the ball
He is a Offensive guru. Yes he was a defensive assistant for 3 years but that does not mean anything. We should keep the Offensive coaches and bring in a D minded HC like Spags
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 10:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
A D minded HC would be no more valuable to our team than a strong DC. I agree that we need a change on that side of the ball and a strong presence but our HC does not neccesarily have to be the one to provide that.
The HC should be managing both the OC and DC and utilizing them to create the best overall game plan. McDaniels may not have his pedigree on defense but he does have a background on that side which would help him work with whoever we bring in to turn that side of the ball around.
More than anything we need a coach that can work with the front office, and his own personell in a way that produces wins. Shanny was amazing in all the hats he wore and being able to win the number of games he did, but most of the NFL doesn’t work that way. Our new HC can and should be a little more hands off and allow his coordinators more rope so he can manage the big picture of the game instead of the entire team at once.
It could be a guy like Spags or a McDaniels but either way their backgrounds in offense and defense will aide them but should not be the only consideration. We need a guy to manage the team and the coaches while working with the front office to bring in talent.
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by BroncoJoe87 on Jan 5, 2009 5:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you about a D minded HC would be no more valuable to our team than a strong DC.
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 5:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand...
…wouldn’t it be a lot easier to get a really good defensive guru to come in to be head coach than to come in to be the DC?
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by Trinidad Jack on Jan 6, 2009 4:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Schefter said more regarding this
I had the same worries, at first.
Schefter covered this information in interviews this morning (one in particular I heard on KOA in Denver), saying not only what he did above but pointing out that it was in fact speculation – but that it was speculation based on feedback he has been hearing thus far.
Spagnuolo, according to Schefter is very much a top candidate and could well end up being the man.
He also brought up another good point – bringing in a ‘defensive mind’ for the top job doesn’t necessarily translate out on the field; Wade Phillips was such a man and Denver’s defense on his watch left a lot to be desired.
Now, while directly comparing Phillips and Spagnuolo may be apples and oranges I think the point was that bringing in a ‘defensive guy’ or an ‘offensive guy’ is something that can’t necessarily be taken at face value to mean the other side of the ball is going to get short shrift.
I got the impression when I heard him speak that all Schefter was trying to say is that at this time, there seems to be a ‘front runner’ but there are a couple of other strong candidates and that nothing is set in stone.
Personally – and it isn’t like I know the man – I think Pat Bowlen is well aware of the Broncos’ most serious needs and that whichever way he goes with a head coach, the eventual choice of GM and the final makeup of the coaching staff and front office will be in a position to address it seriously.
I just can’t see Bowlen shaking things up the way he has otherwise. Bowlen seems to be taking this process very seriously and pulling out all the stops to cast a wide net and make an informed decision. Maybe I am being overly optimistic but I get a good feeling from what I hear that they are making every effort to do this right.
At least I hope so, because if they don’t the next few years are going to be dark times in Broncos Country.
by TheMastermind on Jan 5, 2009 9:58 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Think about it. If the top two candidates for HC are Spags and McD -that is seriously great news! I mean it’s fantastic! I think both of these men have great potential and both would bring a lot to the Broncos. Bowlen is a smart man. Looking at these two candidates, I’m completely at ease with whatever choice he makes -because even if he doesn’t go with one of them, that means the guy who gets the job has got to be something special in Pat’s eyes, and I personally like the way his vision works.
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by Colorado_Kitten on Jan 5, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Very good points
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by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 10:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to have McD as HC and Spags as DC!
Isn’t that a possibility?
by DjBroncos on Jan 5, 2009 10:01 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance...
Guys get let out of contracts to get promoted….
Those are my questions for a guy like McDaniels….Who would he bring in to run the defense? How would he go about rebuilding it?
Not to mention what he would do with the offense…
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by John Bena on Jan 5, 2009 10:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Nolan, Crennel, and Marinelli are all great DC prospects for a guy like McDanials.
If he’s the lead candidate, I’m sure he dropped one of their names, or someone like them, during the interview. Or, how about this one… things fall through with Mangini in Cle, Shanny takes the job, and Mangini comes to Denver (for you soap opera fans)???
I also think McDanials would want to build a defense and not demand offensive picks, FA acquisitions, etc. He would have a vested interest in seeing the defense improve. He may also lean toward a 3-4 look (for sure if he brings in one of his NE pals), and this year wouldn’t be a bad year to do it.
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by ButteBronco on Jan 5, 2009 11:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Chibronx. It cracks me up when fans and the press talk about how great Jeremy Bates is. The Broncos were 16th in scoring this year. Seems the very definition of average to me. I’ll cut them slack once Hillis went down, since we all saw Saturday night how even a hall of fame QB can’t overcome the lack of a running game. But how many games this year did we see the offense start strong, then fail to do anything after halftime? Bates never seems to make good adjustments to me. McDaniels has a far better track record than Bates does. Anyone out there think Jeremy Bates could get Matt Cassell to play at the level he did this year? Not me. If Cutler doesn’t like it, tough luck, IMO. Spags would be fine, not knocking him at all, but don’t act like we’re some kind of juggernaut on offense. We rack up yards between the 20s, then turn the ball over or stall out. McDaniels wouldn’t be the end of the world, and might, just might, help JC et all grow up a little…
by patrickf on Jan 5, 2009 10:06 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Never been a big Bates fan, either
With his lack of adjustments, abandoning the run after it was working successfully (see Buffalo game) and the lack of red zones scores makes me think that there has to be something better out there. Our best chances of scoring in goal line situations were when Pittman and Hillis were in and once they were out it was all bubble screens for losses and shotgun formations. If they were going to throw, at least throw in a naked bootleg!
I agree that he probably wouldn’t have been able to bring Cassell in and be successful. He’s lucky that he has Jay and didn’t have to rely on Ramsey or Hackney!
My biggest concern is who would come in to be the DC? If Crennel comes, we would probably change to a 3-4 which works out good for our LBs but would need to get a true NT. In that case, Cody from Alabama needs to be our first pick.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 5, 2009 11:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the bloom is off the rose for Belichick assistants at this point
Look at Mangini and Crennel just getting fired, and Charlie Weis struggling so much at Notre Dame. I think this is a lot of speculation by Schefter based upon his perception of history. I think Spagnuolo, Morris, and Frazier are all more likely in the end than McDaniels is. I actually think McDaniels will ultimately end up in KC with Scott Pioli, provided Kirk Ferentz doesn’t want that job.
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by Ted Bartlett on Jan 5, 2009 10:13 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
That's because they hired the wrong assistants
Agreed that you don’t hire someone just because they have the Pats pixie dust on them. But McDaniels seems to be a talent not unlike Shanny was all those years ago. Crennel,. Mangini and Weis were all older coaches who had no fans until the Patriots started winning. McDaniels sure seems like he’d be a star anywhere.
by Chibronx on Jan 5, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Mangini was 34 when he was hired...
and he parallells very closely to McDaniels, in my opinion. I watch what the Patriots do on offense, and I see pretty good coaching combined with some outstanding talent. There’s nothing really that innovative schematically that McDaniels is doing. In fact, most of it looks very similar to the spread-out stuff that Bates had us in at the end of the season. I just don’t really see how this works.
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by Ted Bartlett on Jan 5, 2009 11:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad on Mangini's age -- his waistline told my eyes the dude was much older
I’m with you on this point. My support for McDaniels isn’t based on the idea that he’s a tactical genius, but on all the stuff you read suggesting that he gets the modern NFL, is free of old preconceptions, etc. As fans, I don’t think we’re privy to whether a guy has what it takes
Of course, talent is more important. Can anybody explain why Bowlen is leading with the coach instead of the GM?
by Chibronx on Jan 5, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Answer
Because our personnel staff has already shown that they are on top of their game (see last draft). We need coaching separate from managing…hiring the Coach first guarantees that and addresses our biggest need.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Jan 5, 2009 2:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
How is it that Rex Ryan is not on Bowlens List of Possible HC. Did anyone watch his D tear apart the Miami on Sunday. That was one of the best defensive efforts I have seen in awhile. We need to interview this guy.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 10:27 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Rex Ryan
Someone else posted on another thread that Ryan is slobbering all over himself, talking about how he’s the best HC candidate around. Yes, his Ravens’ D is great, but as for the Broncos, no thanks to a fat ass with a fat mouth. (IMO).
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by bradley on Jan 5, 2009 10:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
The guy has been the DC over some great defenses the last six years, and he’s getting overlooked for HC jobs in favor of a guy like Spags or even Morris. Can you really blame him for being a little pissed off about it?
They call me Bubblegum.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
I would be Pissed off too. He has produced a top 5 D almost every year he has been in Baltimore and has been a DC a lot longer then any of the other candidates. I would be talking like that too. He deserves the shot and is a legit coach
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
But
do you really want Buddy Ryan’s progeny coaching the Broncos? Look what Daddy did to the Eagles and Cardinals in his time there.
Also, what about having our HC being related to the faders DC (and possibly HC)? j/k
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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 5, 2009 11:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He deserves
a shot and is legit coach without class.
Tactics without Strategy is the noise you hear before Defeat!
by monodono on Jan 5, 2009 1:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
heh +1
Just like his brother. My anti-fader bias will never, ah, dissipate. ;-)
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That defense is not his
Ozzie Newsom is more reponsible for that defense than anyone, over the past ten years they have had different DC (Lewis, Nolan, Ryan) and all have done well because of the players that Newsom gets them, not so much who is the DC, they have pro bowlers at every level in that defense and they have kept them together. Think if we had a D-line with Suggs, Pryce, and Ngatoli, I think we wouldn’t be worried about our defense as much.
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by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 10:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
At the same time
The defense wasn’t Spags either. Look at the defensive line they have in New York. They have the kind of pass rush that allows you to have weaker areas on defense because of all the pressure they generate. You can’t hold it against Ryan that he didn’t build the defense without holding it against all the other candidates as well. What matters is what the coaches do with that talent, and Ryan has guided that defense to great success every single year.
They call me Bubblegum.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The players do not matter if
you do not have a good coach. The coach writes up the plays and the players have to buy into the DC scheme to be successfull. Once they are drafted they are Rex Ryans players and you are crazy if you thing Rex has does not have a say in the players they draft. Its not all Ozzie Newsome. The Baltimore players buy into Ryans scheme and look at the result. The Coach is just as important as the players
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 10:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
At least
you and I are in agreement on this.
They call me Bubblegum.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 10:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
its nice to have someone that agrees
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 10:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the issue I have
Both Lewis and Nolan have floped as HC, Ryan dad was not a good HC, so the trend would say that Rex Ryan would probably make an average coach at best that may be able to improve a defense, but not the team. I just think he gets more credit than he deserves, he’s got an all pro defense with future HOF players (Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, maybe Trevor Pryce), it would take someone like Slowvik to mess that up.
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by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 11:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan is fair
but I have trouble blaming Marvin Lewis for failing when management has been so adamant about pulling the rug out from under him. From what I’ve seen, he’s gotten screwed pretty badly.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 11:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He has been somewhat screwed
But the thing is that he has had a big say in getting that defense to be better and they have stunk it up for years, their draft picks on defense have stunk as bad as ours, so his talent evaluation has not been that keen, that’s why I credit Newsom for Baltimore’s defense.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 11:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Really
When has Baltimore D stunk it up. Last year they were average but they have almost always been an elite D.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's everyone's point, apparently
that the DC doesn’t matter because Newsome keeps bringing in studs to play for them. Though a guy like Adalius Thomas probably doesn’t agree.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 11:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Talking about Marvin Lewis in Cinncinati
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 11:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll look it up later
when I’m feeling motivated, but for right now, I can think of a couple of picks that weren’t so bad, but turned out poorly for non-football related reasons. Like David Pollack. He was a stud at Georgia, and didn’t he suffer a serious, serious injury? Or Odell THurman, who was good, but batshit crazy.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"At the same time"
Tom Coughlin has done a great many wonderful things since becoming head coach of the New York giants in 2004. Probably the best thing he has ever done is to hire Steve Spagnuolo as defensive coordinator two seasons ago.
‘Spags’ immediately transformed a soft, ineffective defense into a dominant, quarterback-eating machine that helped the Giants win a Super Bowl. Despite the losses of Michael Strahan (retirement) and Osi Umenyiora (injury) Spagnuolo still has this defense performing at a high level.
This is from BigBlueView, the Giants’ blog, posted by Guru a few days ago (Straight From the Horse’s Mouth).
Anyone looking for a sign will find one. JB Freeman
All signs fail in time of drought. James M. Green
by bradley on Jan 5, 2009 11:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I read it
and I’m knocking the job he’s done in New York. It’s been great. I’m merely pointing out that if you’re holding it against Ryan that he didn’t bring the players in, you have to hold it against all the other candidates as well.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 11:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
We are not saying Spags is not a legit and is a future HC. We are just pointing out that Rex Ryan should be on our list.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Ozzie Newsome is the key in Baltimore
That doesn’t mean it’s just the players…coaches deserve credit too. However, it is not fair to say that Spagnuolo inherited a great defense. He did not. Look at the results. The 2006 Giants ranked 25th in yardage and had 32 sacks – this is before Spags’ arrival. In 2007 (Spagnuolo’s first season), they ranked 7th overall and 52 sacks. This year the Giants were 5th in overall defense and 42 sacks. There is an undeniable difference.
by Douglas A. Lee on Jan 7, 2009 10:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree with you TSG
But I know Schefter has very close ties with the Broncos and he seems to be pretty acurate in his reporting over the years, so I don’t necessarily see this as something out of left field. Maybe it is a sign that Pioli and McDaniels would be coming over in a package deal and they may hire Crennel as a DC, would not be my favorite option, but that would be a new direction. I could also see that Bowlen may want to appease his young star QB by getting an offensive minded HC coach.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 10:37 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Great
so while Houston was Denver South, now Denver can be New England West. Wonderful.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Way of the NFL unfortunately
We were known as SF east for awhile and Dallas north, it’s a copycat league.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 10:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Could do lots worse than New England West
wow…like i would think culter turning into a strong armed version of brady would be awesome
by JaysGirl on Jan 5, 2009 8:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Rofl.
That picture is an insane shoop.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 11:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Alllllll the way!
Tactics without Strategy is the noise you hear before Defeat!
by monodono on Jan 6, 2009 2:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Pioli is not coming to Denver, and is not being pursued to come to Denver
His demands were deemed to be unreasonable even for a desperate franchise here in Cleveland, so I don’t think there is any chance that he comes to the Broncos. The Chiefs are a possibility, and so is staying in New England.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Jan 5, 2009 11:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What were his demands?
A fist full of dabloons and your finest mead!
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Loose women
unlimited grog!
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 5, 2009 4:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Man
I hear grog prices dropped down to 75k for a stack. Can you believe they were at 90k when the bonus weekend was going on? 90k! FOR A STACK OF GROG. My gosh.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 6, 2009 6:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If we can't get a defensive mind
I have no problem with McD. His philosophy seems to be “run-whatever-system-you-have-personnel-for”, and I hope we keep this setup!
I certainly have no problem with injecting some NE-way-of-thinking – you can hate them but can’t argue with their succes.
He’s young, so we, if (big if) he has succes, we won’t be in this possision to soon again.
Also: The combi of Pioli and McD in Denver… I think i came a little in my pants there..
Random quotes about the raiders:
They really shouldn’t play — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
This is an utter disaster — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on Jan 5, 2009 10:45 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Also, when Shefter reports it - it's a virtual certainty!
It doesn’t mean he’s our next HC, but that he’s in the front seat…
Random quotes about the raiders:
They really shouldn’t play — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
This is an utter disaster — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on Jan 5, 2009 10:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Please clean yourself up, LOL
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Jan 5, 2009 10:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Need a towel?
Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.
Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.
by 53guys on Jan 5, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
So long as we don't hire Rex Ryan....
I would have liked the great square jawed one who led Pittsburgh back to the promised land. My guess would be we get some unheard of nobody. I wish we could steal Kubiak back.
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 10:56 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Whats with
all the Rex Ryan hate. Give me one Legit reason why he is not Qualified to be a HC
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 10:57 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Buddy Ryan?
I’m just throwing it out, I’m not one of the Ryan detractors, but I think the shadow of their dad is holding back both Ryan brothers. Buddy was an awesome DC, but he wasn’t a great HC.
BTW, I was at ASU when Buddy came to the Cardinals, “You got a winner in town” No, they had an “8-8 at best” in town :)
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by Darin H on Jan 5, 2009 11:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty unfair
it might be his dad, but it’s still not him. I think someone should give him a shot, but it probably won’t be us.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 11:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He would be great for a defensive-minded football team,
but would destroy ours. He is my ultimate nightmare candidate for this job. Someone that will take control and try to make this team a dominate defensive club. With our current roster and talent/money spread, trying to push that square through the circle hole will ruin this club. For some reason, I think someone like Spags, or Morris would see that picture and not run us into that wall. Like I said above, this defense needs to go from horrible to serviceable and we are a playoff team and possible SB contender. If a guy like Rex comes in here and blows it up, we’re screwed.
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by ButteBronco on Jan 5, 2009 11:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he is a loud mouth...he should go coach the Raiders. oh wait, his brother is already there. bleh
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 11:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he is a loud mouth
has to be the worst arguement I have ever seen on this blog. If you are going to say no Rex Ryan then you should at least have a legit reason like Buttebronco.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 11:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok. I just don't like him then? To each his own. I just dislike him on a personal level. I have no legit reason, only expressing my intense dislike for him. :)
Sure he has Ray Lewis…can he turn Nate Webster into Ray Lewis? I just think he benfits from a talented veteran defense. I’d rather see someone like Spagnulo who has a bunch of no names.
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 12:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and sorry for blurting out my dislike for him...I meant no disrespect to you.
We all have our reasons and I admit mine is less than convincing. lol
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 12:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I felt no disrespect
I just dont like when people say no to something and do not have a reason for thier answer. Ok so you dislike him. Thats ok everyone is intitled to thier own opinion. Now yes Ryan has some veteran leadership but Spags also has a ton of talent on his giants D. Talent wise you can not really say one is better then the other. I just think Rex Ryan should get an interview. I really want a Defensive minded HC and they are 1 and 2 on my list in no particular order.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 1:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I see. We just differ on our preferences.
I want to hire an offensive minded coach and find some young rising star to promote to DC from some other team. The problem really wasn’t Slowik’s. I think he could have become an excellent coordinator, but the blame really is Shanny’s when you get down to it. Slowik just didn’t have the tools to be effective. Hiring a DC as a HC wouldn’t solve our current defensive woe’s…only a stud GM can do that. Therefore, I prefer to keep our offensive tradition going and find a young in-the-wings kind of assistant to head up our D.
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 1:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Where have you been Zappa?
Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.
Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.
by 53guys on Jan 5, 2009 1:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been out of town since Christmas basically.
Home for three days total since Dec. 25th. lol Out of town and offline and busy. Back at work now and back online. ;-)
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 1:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Happy New Year!
Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.
Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.
by 53guys on Jan 5, 2009 1:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Same to you and everyone else here!
2009 seems somewhat brighter for some reason. I mean I may not have a job by summer and America could experience further economic collapse, but there is always the Broncos! No matter what, 2009 brings with it a brand new football season which anything could happen! Guru needs to put up a draft countdown ticker. Oh wait, the playoffs are still going on. I tend to stop watching football after the Broncos get knocked out(except for the Super Bowl). ;-) Maybe the ticker can go up next month…
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on the ticker
The only playoff games I watch that don’t include the Broncos or Cowboys are the games that involve their “arch enemies”, as my son likes to call them. Otherwise known as division foes. Obviously I want all of them to not only lose, but get whipped so badly that they crawl into fetal positons, suck their thumbs and cry for their mommies.
Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.
Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.
by 53guys on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Like a good California State Employee, I see!
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan
by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 5, 2009 4:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Doing my part to bring about true reform(err brankruptcy) to the "great" state of Kalifornia.
j/k. I work hard. I do.
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 4:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes we do differ in preferences
The only way I would be ok with Mcdaniels is if he came in a package deal with Pioli. Now I do agree that Mcdaniels is a great offensive mind. He also did great things with Matt Cassel this year. To think a QB that has not started a game since HS took his team to a 11-5 record is amazing. Cassels success is all because of Mcdaniels Coaching. Also if Bowlen wants to get an Offensive mind I would strongly prefer Mcdaniels over Garrett. Garrett is highly overrated. I also agree that Bates play calling was questionable at times. Also Mcdaniels and Bates together would be a scary combination.
I just think we need a change in philosophy for our next HC. In order to do this we need a Defensive minded head coach. I think Spags is the candidate but i think we should at least interview Rex Ryan. Yes Rex is cocky but he has a right to be. His D has been in the top 5 in baltimore ever since he became the DC in 1999. Ryan also has some great players but Spags also has a some great players
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 2:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I have seen different report that have Raheem Morris interviewing today and some say he will be in denver Wednesday. Does anyone know the exact day he is coming to denver.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 10:58 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
It got moved up to today...
I think that indicates that he is a serious candidate.
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by Ted Bartlett on Jan 5, 2009 11:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Get the Rooney Rule out of the way faster?
by CombatChuk on Jan 5, 2009 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
See
Here’s my question. If Pat Bowlen were merely going through the motions to get the Rooney Rule out of the way, couldn’t he just interview Bobby Turner or does it not count because he’s in-house?
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 11:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Slamdunk
If he was really worried about the Rooney Rule. Morris is supposed to be the Mcdaniels on the D side of the ball. I think he is a legit candidate. I think bowlen is in a hurry to get a HC because if Dungy decides to retire then Indy will be the Premium job and we will move to 2nd
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 11:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably mistaken
but I had it in my mind that Indy has one of those “heach coach in waiting” deals going on, though I have no idea who would take over when Dungy leaves.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 11:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We're also going to talk to Fraizer (sp?) from MN,
so I think the Rooney rule discussions are moot when it comes to morris.
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by ButteBronco on Jan 5, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? where did you hear we are
going to interview Fraizer. I have not read that anywhere.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 11:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the links this morning
in the Horse Tracks mentioned that if Bowlen doesn’t find the slam dunk guy he wants in the first wave of interviews, that Ryan and Frazier are among the second wave of interviews.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 11:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/1/4/708828/leslie-frazer-mn-vikings-d
Also, I think Jay Glazer said it on Fox’s pregame show yesterday.
"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."
by ButteBronco on Jan 5, 2009 11:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Caldwell is the coach-in-waiting....
and he is black
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Jan 5, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
THAT'S IT
Thank you. I was damn sure there was SOMEONE waiting in the wings, but I couldn’t think of his name.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I am weary of all college coaches, regardless of skin color.
Think of all the big college coaches coming to the NFL in the past decade. Which one’s have succeeded? lol You come to the NFL from college as an assistant first in my view…then you work your way up.
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 12:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Shanahan
Tactics without Strategy is the noise you hear before Defeat!
by monodono on Jan 5, 2009 2:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 2:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Also all you guys talking up Mcdaniels
Yes he did coach the most prolific O every last year with Tom Brady. Mcdaniels Offense was great until he ran into Spags D. Everyone knows defense wins SB and you can not do it with only offense. Spags great D shut down the most prolific offense in the history of the NFL. Just something to think about when you are trying to argue Mcdaniels over Spags
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 11:25 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I can't do it
I hate this idea. He was easily my least favorite candidate. We need something of a culture change, and hiring McDaniels won’t do it.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jan 5, 2009 11:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see a top defensive mind come through. That DC from Philly would do the trick...wish he was available.
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 12:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The best reason to look to the D for the new HC
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan
by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 5, 2009 11:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Also My case
The 2009 Ravens. A dominate D and a average O. I believe they only lost the division by 1 game and destroyed Miami on Sunday. Defense wins you games in december and the postseason. yes you still have to put up points but if cutler can score just 21 points a game with an above average D behind him we would go 12-4 or better every year
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 11:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
With our current talent/money spread,
building a dominate defense isn’t feasible in the short term, imo. If you want to blow it up and not resign all of our core offensive guys (Cutler, Marshall, Sheffler, Harris, Clady, Royal) over the next three years, a dominate defense is possible I suppose. I shiver at the possibility.
Maintain the offense, bring in a good DC and some talent of his choosing, and we’ll be right on track for success in the short term.
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by ButteBronco on Jan 5, 2009 11:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I did not say dominate
I said build an above average D which could be done with a good draft and a couple of key free agents. We have the Good O, They are not Dominate yet because they cannot convert in the red zone. So all we need is a top 15 D, preferrably a top 10, to go along with the current Offense
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 12:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I also said nothing
about blowing up the current team on the offensive side of the ball
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 12:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
I need to work on my reading comprehension skills (amongst other things), as you did indeed say above average and not dominate, which makes my reply sound silly. Sorry about that.
So we’re in agreement that we should keep the offense intact, and improve the defense this year through the draft and free agency to an average to above-average level. I guess the difference is, how do we get there in hiring a new coach? I like the idea of McDanials and solid DC over a guy like Spags and the current staff or new offensive staff, for the reasons I’ve yapped about endlessley above. Anyway, it should be interesting…
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by ButteBronco on Jan 5, 2009 12:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love Spags...
and would be happy if he were our guy. I just feel that the offense is the foundation of our club, and I’m not sure our current staff would maintain the production without Mike. Like I said above, look what happened when Kubs left, do you think Mike’s departure isn’t going to be met with a drop-off? If the current guys arn’t the answer, who do you bring in to shepherd our young offense. Someone like Mike Martz, oh god no. You’d be getting closer with a guy like Fassel. I don’t know what to think, other than nurturing the young offense is of great importance.
"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."
by ButteBronco on Jan 5, 2009 11:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
After watching Baltimore v. Miami
I would to at least like to see Rex Ryan get interviewed. Plus what I have been reading about him is that he is hungry for that HC position and his guys love playing him all 60 minutes of the game.
Mile High will NEVER Die!!!
by rynoz71 on Jan 5, 2009 12:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
God...have we learned nothing?
Have you seen what others from the Pats coaching family have done (Clevland, ND, ect.)?
by SethGrandpa on Jan 5, 2009 2:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 2:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Got this from the DP back in 2007. lmao
Can’t even remember who or what article it came from. I just knew it had to be preserved for all time. ;-)
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 3:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are awesome
I am floored by the tons of insight in this comments thread. This has to be an early contender for “value added thread of the year”.
MHR rocks! :)
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 5, 2009 3:47 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
yes
It is nice to talk about the Broncos with all of you, I live in southern cali so I have to deal with all the idiot SD and Raider Fans. Its nice to be able to go online and get things out of my head about the broncos
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 4:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Spags
The thing I love about this guy is that his players really respect and love the guy. Here is a quote from Usi Umenyiora.
Umenyiora believes – with Denver defensive holdovers such as cornerbacks Dre Bly and Champ Bailey, defensive end Elvis Dumervil and linebacker D.J. Williams as a core – Spagnuolo would be a smart pick as head coach.
“My honest opinion – he’d be a great fit. He’d be great there,” Umenyiora said. “But I don’t want him to leave the Giants.”
here is the link where I read it http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/jan/02/coaching-candidate-possesses-vision/
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 5:23 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I also think he was interviewed first for a reason
I really think is #1 on Bowlens list. I know they had to act quick because they would not be able to talk with him again until the Giants get eliminated or the week before the SB. I just think he is our guy and Bowlen know it.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 5:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why everyone over in NY is selling Spag up to everyone...
smells suspiciously like how Niko was sold to us by Seattle last offseason. I am a paranoid kind of guy though…conspiracy EVERYWHERE! heh
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.
by Tim Lynch on Jan 5, 2009 5:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
look at what Spags did for NY defensive line. We have a lot of potential in Moss, Crowder, Thomas and Elvis has kinda proven himself. I guarantee he would get more out of these guy and if he couldn’t then they would be gone
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 5, 2009 5:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Spags vs McDaniels
Who will bring the best FAs from his current team with him? I sure wouldn’t mind a few of those Giants DLs in orange and blue. ;)
by CoastalBronco on Jan 5, 2009 5:58 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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