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Straight from the Horse's Mouth -- Josh McDaniels Scouting Report

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Whispers continue to get louder that Patriots' Offensive Coordinator Josh McDaniels is the front runner for the Broncos head coaching vacancy.  As I have done with all the candidates, I reached out to my SBNation brethren to find out their thoughts on each candidate.

For McDaniels, I went over to MaPatsFan who presides over Pats Pulpit to get a few thoughts on what he thinks of McDaniels as a Head Coaching candidate --

Josh McDaniels, currently Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks for the New England Patriots, joined the organization in 2001 and, until 2003, spent a great deal of time breaking down film for the defense, so he has a background on that side of the ball. He moved to quarterbacks coach in 2004 and got the OC nod in 2006. He oversaw a record-breaking 2007 offense, but I think his biggest success came in 2008 when he had to navigate through a myriad of starter injuries and reshape his offense to fit.

Given his rise in the organization, I'm not yet convinced he'd be immediately successful as a head coach. Sure, he's been mentored by one of the best in the business (in my humble opinion), but I'm a believer in the assistant head coach role. That job brings everything together and worked well for Belichick when he was tutored by Bill Parcells. I think McDaniels needs a few more years before he can truly be a successful head coach.

Our thanks to Pats Pulpit for taking the time to give a few thoughts on McDaniels.

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This is honestly just making me think about 30 fronts...

and how our present personnel would fit one. It would be very good for Marcus Thomas, I think, who played his best football of the season as a 5-technique DE during the experimentation with it around midseason. I also think Spencer Larsen would benefit, because I think he lacks sideline-to-sideline speed as a MLB, but fits better as a 3-4 ILB.

I think the fits of DJ Williams and Wesley Woodyard are a little questionable, though. Capers is very well-regarded though.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by TedBartlett905 on Jan 7, 2009 9:33 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

I don’t think a switch to the 3-4 is in our best interests in the slightest. It’s a lot of effort to build a D which has as many weaknesses as a standard 4-3.

Thomas and Powell are the only ones who really fit in on the DL in a 3-4. And even then, Powell is the only true 2-gapper on the DL right now. Thomas is definitely more effective as a 1-gapper. Peterson may be able to make the switch as a DE, but that’s questionable. Crowder would need to pack on at least 20lbs, Ekuban and Engelberger would be gone, as would Robertson, Clemons and Shaw. Moss and Doom may fit as OLBs, but I have a feeling Doom is only 50/50 to successfully make the transition. Larsen and Williams probably fit as ILBs, and you could probably put Winborn in there, but Woodyard has no place as 3-4 LB.

There are simply too many players we’d have to replace. It’d take at least two drafts whilst revamping a 4-3 would require good coaching and this draft. By my estimation, in the best case, a serviceable 4-3 could be gotten with 6 new defensive guys. A serviceable 3-4 would require 11.

Considering we’ve been interviewing 4-3 coaches for the job, bringing in a 3-4 guy seems a bit odd.

by Muse_Cubed on Jan 7, 2009 10:30 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno

It would be tough, but I’d like to see it if for nothing else because the 3-4 forces you to playcall differently. It tends towards more aggressiveness and I think that would be good for our guys.

I think the D-Line would need the most work, but they need it anyway. I like the mix of LBs we have and think they could get it done.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Jan 7, 2009 11:42 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Powell played some nose at VTech

This is from a broncos-denver-broncos.blogspot.com/ discussion on July 22 of this year, talking about Eddie Royal and CarltonPowell, mostly Powell. It talks about two games with Boston College, the second a bowl game, apparently, and It’s worth going back and looking at the whole discussion.

In the ACC Championship Game, Powell played mostly 3 tech although he got kicked to 0/NT a couple of times. His play was very consistently similar to the previous BC game. He is very strong at the point-of-attack and knows how to split a double. On passing plays, he always gets a big push off the ball and that kind of penetration is important because it can create gaps in pass pro. In the 4th quarter, I believe, BC had a 3rd & short situation where they tried to convert by a power running play. They came out in tight wing left, split backs w/FB left. Carlton was in a 3 tech. BC had their LT (Gosder Cherilus) block down on Carlton so their LG could pull and kick out the DE. BC’s C and LT were supposed to double Powell out of the hole. BC’s playside TE & Wing/H were supposed to block down/across the hole and clear out the backers while the FB was supposed to lead the TB through the 5/6 hole for a first down. When the G in front of Carlton pulled, he was able to get a little penetration before Cherilus and the C doubled him. Isn’t the DVR feature great? I watched that play ten times in a row, at least. First to understand the blocking assignments and then to see what happened because the play lost almost a yard. When he got hit with the double, Carlton got stood up a little, but he SPLIT THE DOUBLE and ended up standing in the hole which allowed his teammates to flow to the ball and stuff the play for a loss…Carlton Powell, JR. is a very hard DT to block, even with two OL. It must be a combination of strength, technique and tenacity.
When BC tried to block him on a running play and Carlton wasn’t slanting or pinching, he didn’t get moved out of the way. In other words, at his level of competition, Powell is an OC’s play calling red flag. BC actually ran mostly to the other side.

Since Powell was matched in part against Gosder Cherlius, another high draft pick in 08, it’s a good test of them both. I understand the learning curve on DTs, but I have a lot of interest in watching Powell grow into the NFL.

Jim Goodman for Broncos GM!

by broncobear on Jan 7, 2009 12:33 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

More than one way...

McDaniels may or may not be a worthy candidate to be a head coach at this point. However, I think it’s a bit narrow-minded to say that one can only be a successful HC by mirroring Belichick’s route. If you really want McDaniels to mirror Belichick, then he will also first have to be an unsuccessful HC before becoming a quality HC. There are plenty of examples of every path to being a successful HC. Young, old, first-timers, re-treads, coordinators, position coaches. There are successful and unsuccessful HC’s with all of those pedigrees.

To me, what truly matters is that a coach has been the part of a winning organization. If you look at the most successful HC’s in the NFL, they all were assistants or coordinators in winning organizations. Why does McDaniels first have to be an assistant HC? Shanahan, Gruden, Holmgren, Fisher and Dungy all became extremely successful HC’s at relatively young ages without first being Asst. HC’s.

by nycbroncosfan on Jan 7, 2009 9:39 AM MST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

+1

"You're slow. You're not a running back, and you're not a running back for a reason." ---a former mastermind head coach....

by Broncs Cheer on Jan 7, 2009 10:22 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All fair points

The asst HC route isn’t the only way to go, but IMO, McDaniels isn’t ready. He’s serviceable, but lacks creativity. Pats vs. Giants SB was a major meltdown for him; he should’ve made major adjustments in the second half and didn’t.

I hope I’m wrong.

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by MaPatsFan on Jan 7, 2009 7:07 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good, cause I am still hoping we get that blue collar guy named Spag-somethin' :)

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 7:10 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I realize the grass is always greener...

And a team’s own fans are generally its worst critics, but I would happily trade the offensive creativity the Broncos have shown these last couple years for that of the Patriots. We may have generated a ton of yards this year, but I’d rather have the points.

by nycbroncosfan on Jan 8, 2009 8:11 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dom Capers?

What, Jerry Glanville isn’t available?

by Cletus on Jan 7, 2009 10:03 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Classic!

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 7:09 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no to capers

this means a whole new defense, and perhaps even offense to compensate. we have some good young players and veterans in place, let’s keep ‘em. capers is a very good coach, but a bad fit here. we need an entirely new front 7 if we go that way. i’m a big fan of the 3-4, just not with any of these guys.

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2009-year of the defense.

by davecheffy on Jan 7, 2009 10:18 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

because what we have is working so well?

I’m not saying I favor a switch to the 3-4, but it’s also important to note that Capers has not run the 3-4 exclusively. He did not do so in Jacksonville, nor in Miami 2 years ago. But if Capers became the Denver DC and decided to blow everything up, what would be so bad about that? Nothing worked this year…

by nycbroncosfan on Jan 7, 2009 10:30 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no to the 3-4, then

i can’t take another 3 years of mediocrity while we make the transition. as a scheme, it is my favorite. but again, if we are starting from scratch, and we will be, then this is going to take a while to remake the entire d. it is simply not necessary, and we are not as bad as bates and slo made us look. capers running a 4-3? yes, i’m fine with that, and he has hc experience he brings to the table.

taste my blintzkrieg!
2009-year of the defense.

by davecheffy on Jan 7, 2009 11:20 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mediocrity?

i wish our defense was mediocre but its not. its down right terrible. im for any switch that will get us to an average defense. thats all im asking, average. not outstanding but merely average

by purplesocks on Jan 7, 2009 11:41 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Jan 7, 2009 11:43 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+2

I wish Woody Paige was our coach!

by bcfunk on Jan 7, 2009 11:45 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We don't know that a 3-4 will be even average while we try to pull it together over the next few years

meanwhile you start losing some of that offensive magic that we saw this year as attrition has its way with the O.

I know our defense looked terrible this year, but lets not through the whole thing away out of disgust, because it can get worse.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Jan 7, 2009 12:08 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It can get worse? really?

Not by much…I don’t think we should shy away from major changes in defense at all.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Jan 7, 2009 2:50 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much worse are we going to let it get?

I say blow it up and start all over. Let the new DC have his way with the defense.

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by papigrande on Jan 7, 2009 3:05 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the only guys on defense that I think we should keep are DJ and Woodyard.

The rest can kiss my hairy behind. 850 points given up in two years….that’s not all just bad coaching.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 3:14 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree

The only ones I keep are DJ, Champ, and WW.

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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 7, 2009 11:22 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Champ costs too much....

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by Zappa on Jan 8, 2009 10:12 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, whatever makes us a better defensive team I am up for.

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by weazel on Jan 7, 2009 4:01 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only thing I can think of involves making the NFL a one member league.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 4:13 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+3

Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.

Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.

by 53guys on Jan 7, 2009 5:33 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dom Capers

I do not really know a lot about this guy. Is he a legit DC? Does Capers run a 3-4 of 4-3? I think we have better personnel right now to run a 4-3 but I am open for the change. Our D would have to pick up some key free agents and have a good draft to switch to a 3-4. If we do switch to a 3-4 I bet our #1 pick is a big NT like BJ Rali BC.

by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 7, 2009 10:22 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

We’re just a solid NT away from going to a 3-4 defense. Marcus Thomas and maybe Ekuban are big enough to be DEs in a 3-4. We seem to have the line backers for it. Maybe it could looks like this DJ Williams OLB, Spencer Larsen ILB, Jamie Winborn ILB, and Wesley Woodyard as OLB.

What do you think? This way we can get Taylor Mays with our 1st round pick

by CombatChuk on Jan 7, 2009 10:23 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and where is your NT?

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by monodono on Jan 7, 2009 11:44 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he'll come via free agency or the draft

Terrence Taylor, B.J. Raji, etc…. potential draft choices…

I wish Woody Paige was our coach!

by bcfunk on Jan 7, 2009 11:58 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's the draft but if we're creative enough...

Trade Jarvis Moss, Dre Bly for Kris Jenkins in NY…

by CombatChuk on Jan 7, 2009 12:08 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are the Jets mentally disabled?

Cause they’d have to be to go through with that trade.

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by jibbons on Jan 7, 2009 12:10 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Jets are sort of like the Raiders of the East...very dysfunctional and always demand more than they offer in trades.

At least from my questionable memory. Though we did get a deal for Robertson, but I think it turned out the deal wasn’t as great as it seemed back in preseason.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 12:19 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well put.

The Jets are a joke, plain and simple. There’s no way around it. Pat Bowlen and Joe Ellis fly around the country interviewing HC candidates, while Woody Johnson sits on a beach…that is the difference between winners and losers. It’s a miserable franchise with miserable fans. I sat next to a bunch of Jets fans at the Marquette/Rutgers game last night, and they’re just so negative. For Rutgers (just like the Jets) everything they say is in expectation of a disastrous play or game…it’s like “Why even bother showing up for the game if you’re not going to root for your own team?”

by nycbroncosfan on Jan 8, 2009 8:15 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glad I am a Broncos fan. lol

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by Zappa on Jan 8, 2009 10:20 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1,000,000

That’s +1 for each time over the last 22 years I’ve thought that growing up/living in the NY area. I bet Jets fans wouldn’t even be happy with a Super Bowl victory. It’s always something…

by nycbroncosfan on Jan 8, 2009 10:55 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A concern about 3-4

Hopefully we don’t get a string of unsuccessful wide bodies (Sam Adams the large etc.) like we did during the Bates experiment. If the DC goes that route then the Broncos need to put a lot of effort and $ to get a true NT that will fit the bill.

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by wyoeng on Jan 7, 2009 11:33 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree, but problem is there is not a true NT free agent available

Next best thing would be to draft Cody or Raji in the draft, but that likely would require a 1st round pick, which then means we would have to pass on Maualuga and Mayes, which I feel are better players and give you better impact. The other option would be to look for someone later in the draft, but true NT that can be dominate in the 3-4 are hard to find, and that is the critical point in the defense, look at SD and Pittsburgh, when their NT are playing well, they have as good of defenses that there is, but when they are hurt, those defenses can be run on all day.

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by Broncoman on Jan 7, 2009 11:54 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if we go to a 3-4, then drafting cody or raji becomes a priority IMO

as much as i love Mayes, I would want us to get the big hulking body at NT….

I wish Woody Paige was our coach!

by bcfunk on Jan 7, 2009 11:59 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

http://www.draftempire.com/nfl_mock_draft

http://www.draftempire.com/nfl_mock_draft

well, some people believe Capers is coming to town…Look who they have us drafting…

I wish Woody Paige was our coach!

by bcfunk on Jan 7, 2009 12:33 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We may have one already on the team

Check out BroncoBear’s comment above.

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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 7, 2009 12:40 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My only concern

I don’t know how thaty are going to handle Powell’s year off in terms of weight. He’s usually a little undersized at 293 – 300 lb. However, his draft reports consistently indicated that he had a big frame and could handle another 15 – 20 more pounds. He didn’t seem bothered by double teams in college.

The NFL is not college, obviously. But if he can gain the weight in muscle – and in a year it’s not inconcieveable (a word I will never again hear without hinking of the Princess Bride) that he could play a two gap role next year. Would we want a bigger guy like Raji? I’m big on Raji, no question. However, it’s only one draft and we also need a killer LB, safety, etc.

Also, since it’s only one draft, and next year’s schedule is deadly, I’d bite the bullet if we were going to move to a 3-4. Get the pieces you need as you can add them. We have gone longer than any other team without a top 10 pick, and that, coupled with bad drafting, has hurt us badly. Much as it pains me to say it, we might need accept that next year could hurt. Please do not kill the messenger. I hope I’m wrong. New management and the Goodman’s could move us out of this faster, but it may be tough.

Jim Goodman for Broncos GM!

by broncobear on Jan 7, 2009 1:06 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to mention

that he was going against Gosder Cherilus who (if I’m not mistaken) was the Offensive Rookie Dud of the SB Nation.

It appears to me that if we go to a 3-4, we’ll need to make sure we get a stud NT (Powell, Cody or Raji) since we seem to have 4 serviceable to great LBs that everyone wants to see on the field together (once we get rid of Webster and Boss). If we go with a 4-3, we’ll need a stud MLB (Maualuga or Larinitis) and either Haynesworth or Peppers in FA.

I could see us going either way and be better than what we showed this year, though I’m also thinking that with the correct coaching, we may be able to see some consistency out of Moss, DOOM, Thomas and Robertson given that they all showed some flashes this season.

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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 7, 2009 1:28 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Robertson showed no flashes.

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by kwool79 on Jan 7, 2009 1:53 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Against Atlanta

I believe it was Robertson and Thomas that did most of the run stuffing (or at least occupying linemen so the LBs could make the tackles) of Michael Turner (holding him to less than 100 yards).

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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 7, 2009 1:56 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Consistency is a problem then...

Didn’t we get gashed later in the season against Carolina?

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 1:57 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's my point

If we can get a DC in that can get these guys to perform consistently, we may have something here already and don’t need to go about wholesale changes.

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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 7, 2009 2:05 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Larry Coyer was that guy...he just couldn't hold onto leads late in the game.

holding onto leads seem to be the least of our worries now.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 3:14 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But,

Coyer didn’t have the current D-Line that we have. I think the right DC can turn them into something that we haven’t seen in the past three years.

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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 7, 2009 4:10 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One thing last draft taught us

There are excellent, high impact players avaialbe well after the 1st round. They may not be Maualuga (a lot of high draft picks tank, too) but they may be strong starters.

We have a lot of picks. We can package some and move up, or we can look for good players in later rounds. After ’08, In Goodman We Trust!

Jim Goodman for Broncos GM!

by broncobear on Jan 7, 2009 12:39 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right...

which is why this may be a good year to move to the 3-4. Through draft and free agency, we can lay the foundation this offseason. The thing that scares me to the bone is NT. Broncoman makes the point above that there is no real NT FA out there, meaning we would have to draft that guy, meaning the most important guy on the defense would be a rookie. You mentioned Powell before, but even then we would rely on two rookies for the most important position on the defense. Now the real scary stuff… suppose we draft Cody or Raji and they bust, whether it be a serious injury or whatever. Talk about setting an organization back. Wow.

If we go this rout, the first round pick will be the most important pick in modern Bronco history.

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by ButteBronco on Jan 7, 2009 3:53 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Either way, we're looking at two years minimum to fix the D. Isn't 3-4 better in the long run?

I hear all of you about the time it takes to put a 3-4 in place. But realistically, we’ve got a way to go to fix the 4-3. This year, the Broncs could draft Maualaga in the 1st and a free safety in the second. That still leaves the problem of, you know, the D-line. They’d have to wait until the ‘10 draft to fix that, and cripes, look at how long it takes the light to come on for the kind of DLs you get in the middle of the first round. Unless there’s something I’m missing, fixing the D in the current scheme is a multi-year project.

If they went 3-4, they’d take Mt. Cody and probably a suitable LB in the second round. Servicable safeties could come in later rounds. The big question would be: Who’s going to be a good pass rusher when you stand him up and have him play in space?

To me, the thing is that it’s easier to find good pass rushers in the 3-4. If they could nail the NT (like the Pats did with Seymour way back when), they’d have a much clearer path to keeping the D good year in and year out.

Of course, we’d all be frustrated as hell come next September. But isn’t the goal to fix thing sin the long run?

by Chibronx on Jan 7, 2009 12:40 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree...

With good coaching, I think this D could be fixed much sooner than expected – if we keep a 4-3 and get a good coach, we’ll be up the rankings next year. There are a hundred and one different scenarios, but I think poor coaching as well as a lack of direction really ruined this team more than the talent level last year (leadership was also a problem). For a serviceable 4-3, I’d say:

LE: Draft Pick/FA, Crowder
NT: Powell, DP/FA
UT: Thomas, Robertson, [Peterson – maybe shift back to end?]
RE: Ekuban (or Engelberger), Moss, Doom

WLB: Williams, Woodyard, Green
MLB: DP/FA, DP/FA
SLB: Larsen, Winborn, [Bailey]

CB: Bailey, Bly, Bell, Williams, [DP/FA]

FS: DP/FA, DP/FA
SS: Barrett, Manuel

Also, we could chance it on the ends, let one of the young guys start and hope for the best – may be feasible if we have a good line coach. That’s 6 or 7 new players, and I reckon 3 are “high priority” – ie high draft picks or FAs (I’d prefer an FA on the DL and draft picks at MLB and S…but getting someone like Dansby at MLB would be great as well). I think talent-wise that sort of lineup would be very passable. Powell is the sort of guy who is likely to emerge as a leader on the DL; and if we can bring in a leader at MLB we’ve got them and Larsen.

I know a lot of you are arguing that the 3-4 is “better in the long run”. But is it really? A good 4-3 scheme is as good as any 3-4 in my book and 3-4 requires more specific player builds – as I see it, especially in the front 7, most guys will fit a 4-3 somewhere but fewer fit a 3-4. And since more teams are adopting a 3-4, there’ll be more competition for “premium” 3-4 guys such as OLBs and NTs. I just don’t see the point of wasting two years rebuilding a D with a system that has as many strengths and weaknesses as a 4-3 when we could easily turn our D round in a year by sticking with the 4-3.

by Muse_Cubed on Jan 7, 2009 1:38 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See...I see much of those names above at key positions and I am no longer impressed.

Everything looks impressive on paper, but those are the same names I have seen on paper over the last two seasons and I have also seen these players give up a record 800+ points over that time period. I’m looking for a total overhaul. I don’t want to see most of those names on this team in two years. Yes, I said most.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 1:41 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Several factors...

I still believe last season was just a coaching problem, and the most telling thing was the huge decrease in production from our DEs, mostly Crowder and Dumervil (and Engelberger seemed to play better in 07 when he had a separated shoulder than last year). On top of that was the fact that the unit was almost totally devoid of leadership. Talentwise, the most glaring deficiencies were at MLB and safety and also the lack of 2-gap tackles (but Slowik seemed to think that running a 2-gap scheme with 1 gap tackles was working just fine). 07 was more a lack of talent – our DT situation was simply appalling, we had one starting-calibre LB (we were forced to start Nate Webster in a run contain defence. That says it all) and our we suffered a lot when Lynch got injured. I’m actually impressed we didn’t rank dead last in every category that year. I guess my point is that the current defence is eminently fixable with a few smart acquisitions and good coaching. Yes, a lot of the people on that list have a lot to prove, but there’s no question that they have the talent.

by Muse_Cubed on Jan 7, 2009 2:26 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree.

Bad coaching doesn’t surrender 850 points in two seasons and rank dead last in just about every statistical category. This is a problem much deeper than poor coaching. I wouldn’t be against getting rid of everyone(except Woodyard and DJ) over the next two-three years. I just don’t think I want any reminders from 07-08 on this team in 2010. lol We make several changes each season and it just gets worse and worse. Certainly we can try to shore things up by getting a MLB, S, and DT…but in reality we may have to get some new CBs, DEs, and other LBs within the next few years. We are not just one step away from even a Top 15 defense…we are at least two years away from a Top 15 defense. In my humble opinion anyway

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 3:17 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is dumervil a good fit for 3-4?

Could they line him up at LB and be successful? Im not a big defensive guy so i dont really understand the 3-4 very much but it would seem to me that dumervil could be pretty successful as a 3-4 LB

by purplesocks on Jan 7, 2009 1:27 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good question

Dumervil looks like he’s peaked. He’s always been a one dimensional player (speed rush from the end) and watching him this past year it looks like the league has figured him out. I watched Elvis pretty closely during a few games and he looked like a rag doll on run plays. Once an offensive lineman engages Elvis, he’s done. I might want to keep him as a situational pass rusher but that’s about it. IMO, a 3-4 scheme would render Elvis expendable.

I hope they get rid of Nate Webster and Boss Bailey as soon as possible. If they can develop a pass rush, Champ may have a decent season. If they need more than a season to rebuild the D-Line, I’d try to trade Champ now and get as much value as possible.

by Cletus on Jan 7, 2009 3:52 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Elvis mentioned

that the injury to his hand made him change to more of a bull-rush (which obviously isn’t his style) because he couldn’t use his hand to shed the blocker. After it was fully healed, he was confident that he would be able to get back to the way he was in 2006-07, but apparently, that didn’t happen (probably because he was our only real threat and was easily double-teamed).

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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 7, 2009 4:14 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know...

If this actually happens some of the haters in Bronco land should send Adam Schefter a nice fruit basket. LOL

by TheMastermind on Jan 7, 2009 1:41 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't like Adam Schefter because he ruins the build up of suspense.

He makes everything anti-climatic. Oh well….that’s why I watch the draft on mute from now on. ;-) McDaniel would be a better pick than Garrett. It is what it is…and supposedly McDaniel is already assembling his staff for something.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 1:57 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like this idea.

Capers is established. My only question is if McDaniels comes, then does Bates stay?

My 2009 cuts/trades/etc: Prater, Hall, Young, McCree, Maneul, T. Bell, B. Bailey, C. Bailey, Slowik, Englenberger, Winborn, Pittman, Ramsey, Webster. (Subject to Update)

by broncodude793 on Jan 7, 2009 2:11 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just because McDaniels is the HC

doesn’t necessarily mean that he will be the OC as well (even though Jeremy’s just the QB coach, Dennison is the OC, currently).

I like the idea of bringing in Capers as well and the fact that McDaniels realizes his possible short-comings on the defensive side (and apparently knows Capers enough to include him) shows that he may be more of the HC that we are looking for.

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by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 7, 2009 2:16 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can someone do a bio on Dom Capers?

Who is this clown? I’ve heard the name, but he sounds like another Jim Bates or Ray Rhodes type.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 3:18 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure...

Dom Capers’ career record 49-81-0.

Anything else?

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by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 3:22 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After reading Wiki it appears this guy is good at running a franchise into the ground.

No thanks. Even as DC. 1-15 in Miami, 2-14 in Houston, 4-12 in Carolina…..yikes!

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 3:22 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah...

I’m having a hard time figuring out why anyone would think this is a good idea.

We’re looking at an OC with very little experience and a DC with ample experience running teams into the ground.

“yikes” is right!

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by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 3:25 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You need to check some facts...

Capers is probably the perfect example of a good DC who is a poor HC.

As the DC for Pittsburg from 92-94 his teams were 13th-yds/2nd-pts (92), 7th-pts/3rd-yds (93), 2nd-yds/2nd-pts (94)
After his first failed HC stint he was DC for the expansion Jags from 99-00: 4th-yds/1st-pts (99), 12th-yds/16th-pts (00)
The 2000 numbers were partially affected by salary cap moves.
Even at 1-15 Miami, Capers defense was 3rd in points allowed despite having the worst offense in the League.

At the same time, if Joey Porter is an example, he may be better at working and grooming young talent than adapting to veterans.

He wouldn’t be my pick for DC, but he is well respected as a DC within the league.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 7, 2009 3:54 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

hmmm...well that doesn't sound too bad.

Thanks for the info.

Still…I’m not sold on the idea as a whole.

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by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 3:59 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still think he is overrated.

Then again…who else is out there right now? What a horrible time we picked to be searching for a coaching staff.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 4:15 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Romeo Crenell?

We need another monstrously obese guy around to make fun of now that Sam Adams left.

Maybe Mike Nolan? He wears suits.

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by papigrande on Jan 7, 2009 4:25 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really like Mike Nolan.

San Francisco had a good coach in him, but I must admit Singletary is the kind of hard nosed guy I wish we had on our staff.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 4:28 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mike nolan=good dc

taste my blintzkrieg!
2009-year of the defense.

by davecheffy on Jan 7, 2009 10:31 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gregg Williams

former DC of Redskins & Jacksonville. Has a track record of turinging no-names into solid defenses.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 7, 2009 4:26 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously

Wiki has to be the worst source for reliable info. I have read multilple articles saying he is a great teacher and an above average DC. He loves coaching Defense and is super dedicated. He works 17 hour days and sleeps 5 hours on his office couch. He Gets his point accross without having to scream at his players and goes over thing multiple times in multiple meetings to make sure all the players are prepared. I also read that he is a key part of the NE defense the past couple of years and the NE D is pretty good.

He was the DC in Pitt 92-94, They were divisoin champs 92, 94. He is a major reason Pitts D is now calls Blitzburgh. Their record, 92 11-5, 93 9-7, 94 12-4. Thats pretty good On and during that time Rod Woodson and Greg Lloyd both won Defensive MVP

He was HC of Carolina from 95-98. His record 95 7-9, 96 12-4 lost in conference championship, 97 7-9, 98 4-12. The fact that he coached an expansion team to a 12-4 record in their 2nd year is amazing

DC Jac Jags from 1999-2000 record, 99 14-2, 2000 7-9. Thats pretty Good

HC Houston Texans 2001-2005, they were really never good but there were a lot more reasons then the head coach

DC Miami 2007 but that team was torn down by Nick Saban the year before. It was not the all the coaching staff fault

Almost everywhere this guy goes he produces. Let not forget records of teams are not always because of defense. Most of the time its the offense

by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 7, 2009 4:50 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well...if he likes to blitz then I might be for it.

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by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 4:56 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did a quick search....wiki is not the end all be all of info. lol

I still say he has not impressed me…but not many available DC’s this year impress me.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 4:59 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude

You are super hard to impress

by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 7, 2009 5:02 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, I didn't mean it like that.

I suppose I was trying to agree with you to a point. Dom Capers may be the best of a bad bunch of DC’s out there. lol Man…it’s just hard to let go of the fact that Mike “The Mastermind” Shanahan is no longer the coach of our football team. I think I might be overly harsh on all prospects at any level for the next couple of weeks. I was 15 the last time someone coached this team that wasn’t named Mike Shanahan. hehe

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 5:06 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree Zappa...

I’m in the same boat.

It just doesn’t seem like anybody out there could have big enough feet to fill those shoes.

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by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 5:08 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

That none of these coaches are as good at Shanahan and most likely never will be. I have kinda moved on but I am still upset we made the move in the first place. I am trying to be open to each candidate and Capers has been a pretty good DC where he has been. He is also a very respected coach throughout the league from what I have read

by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 7, 2009 5:37 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See, that is how I should be looking at this....but alas I cannot yet. lol

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 5:38 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a lot like breaking up with a long time girlfriend or wife...

You need time to get over it. Everything seems bleak for awhile.

The scary part is that the next girlfriend (the rebound) is almost always a bad decision if made too quickly.

I’m a little worried that Bowlen’s determination to move quickly will lead to a ‘rebound’ type HC.

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by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 5:52 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same here

I voted for Shanahan in Steve O’s post.

Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.

Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.

by 53guys on Jan 7, 2009 5:52 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I only cited Wiki for the sake of what positions he held and when...

I thought I was among the younger folks amongst the MHR readership, and then this…The fact that some of you don’t know Dom Capers makes me feel OLD at 31! Haha.

Anyway, look…you absolutely CANNOT judge a potential OC or DC based upon his results as a head coach. It is completely unfair and not in any way indicative of his skills as a coordinator. As some have mentioned above, there is a long list of top-notch coordinators who were/are horrendous HC’s. Wade Phillips is a perfect example, and us ancient Broncos fans know that much firsthand. Wade did a wonderful job as our DC and as soon as he became the HC in 1993, the defense went to s@#$. It’s happened more than once to Wade’s teams.

Gnarly provided plenty of facts and insight above regarding Capers. I’ll just throw in my perception – In the early/mid-90’s, there was one defense that you did not want to see on the other side, and that was the Pittsburgh Steelers of Dom Capers and then Dick LeBeau. Greg Lloyd and Kevin Greene were an absolute nightmare. Granted, they were talented in their own rights, but Capers turned them into monsters.

Look, it comes down to this. The Denver Broncos’ defense these last few years has been nothing short of atrocious. Cutler, Marshall, Royal, Clady and Scheffler are all very young. Hopefully we’ll see a respectable defense in 2009 that will allow this team to make some noise in the playoffs. But if it takes an extra year because we’re changing systems under the guidance of Dom Capers or someone of similar capabilities (there aren’t many), then so be it! Do you guys want to see a decent defense or a great defense? Because you don’t build a great defense overnight, and if it means that for most of Jay Cutler’s career the Broncos are able to field an excellent defense (after another year or two’s work), well guess what. He will have enough rings to match Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana.

If Dom Capers is the next DC under the stewardship of Josh McDaniels, I am ALL FOR whatever Capers wants to do with the D. Because things cannot get worse than they were in 2008, and Dom Capers would bring INSTANT credibility to the defense.

by nycbroncosfan on Jan 8, 2009 8:34 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Leslie Frazier

Watching the Vikings this weekend I was impressed with their defense. They have some excellent talent up front and then some nice role players in the LB corps and the secondary. Watching the Vikes, I thought, if this team had Jay Cutler, they’d be the favorite to make the Super Bowl from the NFC.

by Cletus on Jan 7, 2009 4:04 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would not mind seeing Leslie Frazier get the job....

he’s done a great job considering he has to deal with that moron running the show in Minnesota.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 4:16 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JohnnyB Huh?

One alter-ego was not enough? You had to have two?

Just kidding, TSG.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Jan 7, 2009 4:25 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JohnnyB GOOD

I actually like my online persona, Zappa is much more interesting of a name than TimL or TimmyL. JohnnyB has a nice ring to it though. He’ll always be Guru to me though.

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 4:29 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Timmay!

yeah, I get tired of that one too :-)

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"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 7, 2009 4:47 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had a good looking co-worker call me that for several years.

My wife hated her, but I sort of like how she said “Timmay!”. lol But yeah, all sorts of things get annoying with our name. At least it’s not the 80’s anymore and no one calls me Tim-O-Tay anymore. :P

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by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 5:07 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.

Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.

by 53guys on Jan 7, 2009 5:53 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing wrong with an alter-ego or two! ;-)

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by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 4:39 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YOU'RE MERMAID!!!

Holey shnizzle that took me a long time to figure it out. I thought he, err, you, ditched us. Then I looked at your sig.

If you aren’t Mermaid, then I look like a total retard, don’t I?

"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09

I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!

by papigrande on Jan 7, 2009 4:40 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why do you and Mike McBronco do this to me?

"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09

I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!

by papigrande on Jan 7, 2009 4:43 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol...I wan't trying to keep it a secret.

(who is Mike McBronco?)

I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 4:46 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was this just

so you could get back on the Phinsider?

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 7, 2009 4:48 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No...

The name PosterNutbag just made me laugh so I had to go with it.

Poster Nutbag is a character in the infamous Gamehenge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamehendge

I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 4:54 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting

my brother gave Phish Live a couple of years ago and I always wondered what the song Wilson was all about.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 7, 2009 5:08 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I always thought they sould have played that whenever Al Wilson made a big play.

loudspeaker: Duh Duh…Duh Duh…

crowd: Wiiiiilllllllsooooooonnn.

I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 5:10 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except,

I’m not sure that there would only be a few Phish Phans that would know what it was.

It’s not like

Hell’s Bells

.

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 7, 2009 5:13 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

perhaps

I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 5:25 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Frazier

as a DC. I think he’s in that same Jim Johnson lineage as Spags. Unfortunately it sounds like we’re interviewing him for HC.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 7, 2009 4:28 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pacman eaten

NFL Network reporting that Pacman Jones will be released by the Cowboys.

by Cletus on Jan 7, 2009 4:37 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone needs to alert Al Davis to this development.

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 4:45 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also that Report

That Mcdaniels seems to be formulating his staff came from Lindsay H Jones of the Denver Post who Mike Lombardi stole the info From. And most of us know Lindsay Jones is a complete moron and a horrible writer. I do not believe anything that comes from her

by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 7, 2009 5:55 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol...tell us what you really think.

I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 5:57 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude

Sorry about the confrontation a few days ago. Something got into me.

Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.

Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.

by 53guys on Jan 7, 2009 5:58 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's alright man...

I think the Shanahan news had everyone razzled (I know I was).

Unfortunately I tend to jump into those a little too frequently…trying to mellow out (with varying degrees of success…lol). Sorry.

I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 6:00 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool

Yeah, I know it had me razzled as well (still does somewhat). I’m a Broncos and Cowboys fan (yeah I know) and it was eerily similar to the Tom Landry firing for me at least.

Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.

Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.

by 53guys on Jan 7, 2009 6:03 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to admit

you had me confused with your comment, “I think it’s clear I’ve been here for a while.”

Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.

Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.

by 53guys on Jan 7, 2009 6:08 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just read this

I just got some info from Tavern Talk over at National Football Post

I know that Bill Johnson, the Broncos’ defensive line coach, is scheduled to meet with the Saints, Seahawks and Packers this week


I know if Jason Garrett gets the head coaching job in Denver, he wants Dom Capers of the Patriots, and formerly of the Dolphins, as his defensive coordinator.


by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 7, 2009 6:03 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting...

Well…if we’re getting Capers either way then I’d prefer McDaniels over Garrett as HC (I think).

I am the eggman...they are the eggman...I am the Mermaid...Goo Goo Gajoob!!!

by PosterNutbag on Jan 7, 2009 6:07 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Swing Garret first hand this year, I’m no longer as impressed. Especially with how the Roy Williams trade has worked out so far.

Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.

Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.

by 53guys on Jan 7, 2009 6:09 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I also would take

Mcdaniels over Garrett. Mcdaniels is younger at 32 and is a better OC. look at what he did with matt cassell this year

by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 7, 2009 6:11 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont know...guru isn't answering my hails, so maybe not.

usually if he plans to skip a wednesday he’ll put up a notice…maybe he is just running late or somethin’ :)

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Jan 7, 2009 7:07 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or maybe he's interviewing with the Broncos as we speak

he’ll usher in the MHR era of coaching. Each week members will get a crack at coaching a respective position. For the record, I call ST coach, week 1! :)

I wish Woody Paige was our coach!

by bcfunk on Jan 7, 2009 7:11 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweet!

0-16, here we come!!!

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by styg50 on Jan 7, 2009 7:12 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no faith!

:)

I wish Woody Paige was our coach!

by bcfunk on Jan 7, 2009 7:20 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How could

bcfunk’s ST coaching be any worse than O’Brien’s?

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan

by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 8, 2009 8:44 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BCFunk isn't the problem....

but eventually it would be my turn.

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by styg50 on Jan 8, 2009 7:07 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol! Classic!

This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who entire it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement.

by Zappa on Jan 8, 2009 10:22 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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