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MHR Draft Profile -- Could PJ Hill become a Bronco?



Wisconsin Junior running back P.J. Hill has declared for the 2009 NFL draft. Hill, at 5'11 and 236 pounds, has already begun training for February's NFL scouting combine. When Wisconsin redshirt sophomore P.J. Hill told his mother he was losing weight this last spring to become a more agile and powerful running back to win favor in the draft, Pamela Moss had no doubt her son would do it.

Regardless of the obstacles he has faced in life, it seems Hill always has accomplished whatever was required to excel in life and in football. His family tell the story that since he was heavy as a youngster, Hill locked himself in the boiler room of his family's apartment building and dressed himself in plastic bags to sweat off extra pounds. In high school, he commuted two hours each day to attend Brooklyn's Poly Prep to get a better education and greater exposure to college recruiters.

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At age 8, Hill had grown to 145 pounds. The weight limit for the local Pop Warner League was 120. Despite spending hours in that boiler room before each game, Hill couldn't make the weight. Finally, after coaches made Hill strip to his underwear before a game to make the required weight, his mother had seen enough. "Put your clothes back on," Moss told her son. "We're not going to do this."

"No, Mama," Hill told her. "I'm going to do it." Hill made the weight.

A powerful, bruising running back, Hill’s style has all the subtlety of a demolition derby entry. At one point during a Pop Warner game, Parrish Hill pulled his son to the sideline and scolded him for trying to hit everything in his way. He said, "I told P.J., 'All you're thinking about is running the guy over. We know you can do that! You've got to fake and run around him.'" Hill never heeded his father's advice while playing at Poly Prep. He never needed to.

He ran for 4,012 yards and 48 touchdowns in high school and was named a finalist for New York City Player of the Year. But because of his waist line and perceived lack of top end speed, some college recruiters stayed away. A good student whose commute to a top prep school had increased his value, by his senior year Hill had scholarship offers from Buffalo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Vanderbilt. Hill chose the Badgers partly because of 1999 Heisman Trophy winner Ron Dayne, another jumbo-sized back, who became the all-time leading runner in NCAA Division I-A history.

Hill was on his way to playing as a freshman in 2005, until he broke his leg during preseason camp. Hill gained more weight while redshirting as a freshman and came into last season weighing 242 pounds.

But Hill carried the excess weight well that year. He ran for 130 yards and a touchdown in his debut against Bowling Green, the first of three consecutive 100-yard rushing games to start his college career. Hill ran for 249 yards, including a 60-yard touchdown, in a 41-9 win over Northwestern, one of eight games with 100 rushing yards or more.

By his freshman season's end, Hill had run for 1,569 yards and 15 touchdowns, the sixth highest single-season total in Wisconsin history. Hill led Division I-A freshmen in rushing and was eighth in the country overall with 120.7 yards per game.

His coach Brett Bielema,  after that 12-1freshman season said, “I know this much: When you watch film you know that PJ loves to win, loves to compete… and a lot of times when the deciding moment or deciding incident comes where you have to slide or get out of bounds or take a hit, PJ, he chose to hit. ”

Bielema and running backs coach John Settle have encouraged Hill to take on fewer tacklers this season to prevent wear and tear on his body, the same message his father tried to deliver more than a decade ago.

"I don't think you try to change his running style, but it's a mind-set," Settle said. "I think he's probably still going to take guys on, but you try to show him examples of how to try to set people up, where it's not a direct hit. You don't want to take his aggressiveness away by telling him not to do this or that."

In addition to his broken leg and some smaller injuries, after being on the wrong end of two vicious tackles in a 30-24 win over Illinois his sophomore season, Hill was left with a neck injury that hampered him the rest of the season. He ran for 148 yards the following week against Penn State, but failed to gain 100 in each of the last three games. Hill underwent surgery on his right shoulder Feb. 1 and missed all of the Badgers' spring practices. Adept at adapting to changes, Hill decided to emphasize running, which dropped his weight from 242 to 223 during the offseason. That's when he confirmed his choice to his mama.

"I'm getting more toned and everything is coming into place," Hill said before his junior year. "It looks like I'm getting smaller, but I'm finally confident about where my body is at." It worked. In 2008, Hill earned honorable mention All-Big Ten honors and rushed for 1,161 yards and 13 touchdowns.

He is one of only two players in Badger history to run for at least 1,000 yards in each of their first three seasons (Along with former Bronco Ron Dayne). Hill is tied for second on UW’s all-time touchdowns list with 44 and ranks third in school history with 20 career 100-yard performances in only 3 seasons. Hill ranks third on Wisconsin's career rushing list with 3,996 total yards and 42 touchdowns. Hill averaged 5.2 yards per carry throughout his career, often playing through the injuries that occurred because of his bruising style of play. He has 3,802 career rushing yards, which puts him third on the school's all-time list and within reach of Anthony Davis, who has 4,676 yards in second place should he change his mind and drop out of the draft. Dayne still tops the list with 7,125 yards.

The 236-pound Hill has size, heart and power. The big questions are whether he is fast enough to make it in the NFL,and whether he has the hands to be an NFL level receiver. At least two other factors make it worth considering.

The first is that running backs have notoriously short NFL careers. The thinking is most backs have a limited number of carries in their legs. Hill has already taken a pounding with 755 career carries. The second is that Hill has been excellent in pass protection.

Mark Schlabach covers college football and men's college basketball for ESPN.com. He said, “I think Hill has a puncher's chance of making it in the NFL. A lot of his draft prospects will hinge on what scouts think of his speed and the injuries he's suffered. He's also going to have show more potential as a receiver than he was allowed to show in Wisconsin's offense.”

His coach disagreed. After his freshman year, although Hill was rarely used as a receiver (a fact that went on during his next two years), Bielema had this to say, "The part that jumps out about P.J. early on, in my opinion, was the breakaway speed he has. He has really, really good hands and we can use him [that way]. Everybody knows P.J. scored the opening touchdown against Michigan a year ago. What they forget, it was this little underneath route that was about a 4-yard completion that turned into a touchdown. So there's a little difference right there."

Currently, Hill is projected as a mid to lower round pick ,or possibly even a FA acquisition. Even so, a gutsy power runner with the ability to pass block well and who might have good hands will probably find a home in the NFL. Even if it’s not for long.

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He sounds like he would look good with a horse on his helmet.

You do a great job Bear. I don’t know where you come up with it all, but thanks.

It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Jan 8, 2009 6:34 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks, picture man

;D

Jim Goodman for Broncos GM!

by broncobear on Jan 8, 2009 9:07 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's alright...

But I must say, he IS a beast. I saw him about ten or so rows back at a football game and even from that distance the man is HUUUUUUUUGE.

On a side note (related to rookies)…anyone watching the National Championship? Nic Harris already has an easy pick out of his safety position for OU. Any chance Denver takes a look at him if Mays isn’t available (or I guess if they forego the Chung route?). Also, Brandon Spikes is on the field for the Gators and I know some at MHR have mentioned him as a possible desire in the draft.

by phantom818 on Jan 8, 2009 6:42 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's amazing how the comparisons jump off the page.

I’m not an advocate for Hill, here. I think we’ve got a solid guy in Hillis already. But if it works, who cares? Haha. It’s hard to tell with a lot of these guys though.

by phantom818 on Jan 8, 2009 9:43 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i always liked dayne when he was a bronco.

memories of that san diego game and the fake fullback give, pitch outside to dayne always gives me a smile

by purplesocks on Jan 10, 2009 11:12 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hill's skill set sounds kind of like Hillis', except for all the injuries

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Jan 8, 2009 9:08 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plus

Hillis is faster than Hill, bigger than Hill and has way better hands.

Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.

Since we have to hire someone, please get a defensive coach Mr. Bowlen.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.

by 53guys on Jan 10, 2009 9:10 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heck of a game

Oklahoma just scored. I like Nic Harris – I have a LOT of respect for Spikes. One of the top 3 MLB in the draft and no one knows which will be best in the NFL, although Maualuga has 1st chance, I’d bet.

Kam Chancellor and Chung have the best NFL names, regardless of their skills.“Yes, that man just got Chunngggeddd…”

“Yep, he Chancelled his check, Steve…”

I loved Richard Dent. Obvious reasons…

Jim Goodman for Broncos GM!

by broncobear on Jan 8, 2009 9:10 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Although,

Major Wright’s a pretty sweet name….come on now haha

He dished out some MAJOR hits in the game.
Good call on Chancellor too. I like the South Carolina guy with the first name Captain too. Haha, the names you get in college. Great stuff.

by phantom818 on Jan 8, 2009 9:41 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do not like PJ Hill as a football player.

Take a look at his game log. He never gets it done against big time opponents. Majority of his numbers come in non-conference, or against weak big ten defenses (Like my Indiana Hoosiers).

"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith

by The Heat on Jan 9, 2009 2:03 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We don't need a Running Back.

We need defense!

Col. Sandurz: Prepare ship for light speed!
Dark Helmet: No, no, no, light speed is too slow!
Col. Sandurz: Light speed, too slow?!
Dark Helmet: Yes, we're gonna have to go right to . . . ludicrous speed!
Col. Sandurz: Ludicrous speed?! Sir, we've never gone that fast before. I don't know if the ship can take it.
Dark Helmet: What's the matter Colonel Sandurz? Chicken?

by orangeblood on Jan 9, 2009 7:30 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No PJ Hill

As a very avid B10 watcher, PJ Hill wont’ be in the league in 2 years. PJ Hill isn’t an NFL back, he isn’t even the best back on his team, that distinction going to John Clay. If you’re going after a late round power back, go after Shonn Greene, the man is a freaking tank, and you can get him 4th or 5th round. And if you are gonna go higher, go after Shady McCoy, who is going to be the ROY next year.

by tricks318 on Jan 9, 2009 11:18 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Green will go 2nd round. 3rd the latest.

"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith

by The Heat on Jan 10, 2009 2:48 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He MIGHT last to the 3rd.

Almost a 0 chance he makes it to the 12th pick. And McCoy has no moves and can’t break tackles. He just bounces everything to the outside and uses his speed to run around everybody. Well, you can’t do that in the NFL. Sorry. Look at Reggie Bush’s magnificent running back career.

I would be intrigued by Hill. PB&J Hill is what my grandma calls him; she went to Wisconsin and thinks he’s funny.

"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09

I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!

by papigrande on Jan 10, 2009 9:17 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reggie Bush made people miss in college

And he’s not a terrible Pro. He’s just not a good downhill runner, he is always dancing and refuses to just hit the hole and take 3 yards. McCoy can run downhill, and although he’s not as shifty as some people would like, he has great acceleration and breakaway speed. If he ends up on a team that blocks for him he will be a very productive NFL back.

PJ Hill doesn’t break tackles either, and when you’re like, 240, breaking tackles should be a part of your game. He’s a product of the B10, and getting to play garbage teams more often than not. Hill has started for what, 2 years? 2006 and 2008? I have yet to see him perform well in a Big Ten game against a real team, and he even performed poorly this year against a porous Michigan defense.

by tricks318 on Jan 10, 2009 10:46 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nicely said tricks

Knowshon Moreno will be the best running back out of college this year, CJ Spiller second.

Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan

by Steve O' on Jan 11, 2009 11:17 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

I had seen some mocks that have him going late 4th. It’s all kind of a crapshoot before the combine anyway. There’ll be a guy like Chris Johnson last year who runs a 4.2 and vaults up the draft boards. Greene might fall if he runs a terrible 40, shades of Mo-Clarrett.

by tricks318 on Jan 10, 2009 10:35 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A powerful, bruising back...

…with a sparkling personality and a history of freak injuries?

Didn’t we draft one of those last year?

by TheMastermind on Jan 10, 2009 10:05 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't take offense

But that’s one of the reactions I heard to Clady, applied because of Foster. The answer is – they’re different players.

In Goodman We Trust

by broncobear on Jan 11, 2009 12:14 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Metrics & Hands

I hate to say it but I’m a little reticent on him because of what he lacks — on paper. Actually, I probably was swayed by a negative scouting report on him that had a dismissive tone. Regardless, I’ve had my eye on him for a while and had him categorized at the back of the one-cut pack, with Shonn Greene, etc.

What’s illustrated here is the importance of deep scouting, and after a closer look I’m impressed by Hill’s desire. I’m also concerned about his durability given his running style. But there’s enough positives on him to make him look like a good pick in his range ~ 5-6 round.

Recent events make me believe that we’ll be committing to the running game next year, and this was indicated even without a coaching change.

On the other hand, we still need to devote some resources to rebuilding the defense, so there’s a paradox. And the coaching change may signal that we’ll devote even more resources to defense than we had planned — and that was a LOT. Although everything is contingent on how other teams draft and who is left to pick, and when, it looks to me like we’ll be waiting to pick a RB (assuming we do), and this makes a motivated/high character prospect such as Hill a good choice. I realize their are other RBs who will rate much higher, but Hill fits into the ‘character’ mold that the Broncos have emphasized recently and I expect they’ll continue to emphasize since our GM trio is still here. Picking Hill in the 6th would be a good idea.

BTW — another mid to late round RB prospect caught my attention — Glen Coffee. He’s in the same range as Hill and I’d like to see us pick him, even more than Hill. Coffee impressed me with his running style when I’ve watched him play recently. His size won’t thrill anyone, nor his speed, but he appears to exemplify the running style that I’d like to see us employ (although not exclusively).

PS (a final thought) — I was just reading the other posts again; the virtue of back like Hill, or Coffee, is that they GO when they see the hole. It’s about hesitation. And college backs often make a living by being fast and finding openings to run through. This makes the comparisons to college inappropriate, at times. I’m not surprised that Hill had problems against high quality teams in college. However, we’re not expecting our RBs to do it on their own. Our success is dependent on our OL play and the willingness of a RB to plunge into a ‘semi-opening’ without hesitation. It often runs contrary to the best instincts of a RB, and it takes a certain mindset and willingness to to run into traffic.

by Colinski on Jan 10, 2009 10:52 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great point

I was watching an interview with one of the Broncos backs this summer. He was talking about Bobby Turner running practice – if you didn’t hit the hole, one cut and go, you went to the back of the line and didn’t come out for a long time. A few (very few) backs apparently gave Turner the “I’ve been doing this my whole life and…” line and went to RB limbo for a while. It’s a different attitude, a different approach. I haven’t seen anyone do it as well as Hillis did for a while, although Pittman had a good game or two.

That’s the one thing that interests me. With 9 picks, some extras in later rounds, if we keep most of them would you like to give odds that we don’t draft an RB this year? I couldn’t believe that Hillis, as an example, lasted to the 7th. Yes, he was a FB but the #1 or #2 (against Schmitt) rated in the draft.

Someone will do it again this year. I hope he’s a Bronco.

In Goodman We Trust

by broncobear on Jan 10, 2009 12:19 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re: odds of a RB

I’ve pondered that. Much of the strategy will be affected by availability, and there will be a premium placed on defensive players. Most positions on defense are need areas, and there will also be an incentive to create a nucleus of players who will then form the core of Denver’s rebuilding of that area. Notice that I’ve consciously used the term ‘rebuilding’ regarding the defense, the term ‘restocking’ is only appropriate for the offense.

A possible distribution of our picks might be 6 picks on defense and 3 on offense, but the offensive crop is stronger this year, specifically OL and WR. The RB crop is weak, but last year’s surprisingly strong group has also diminished demand for this year. Even though there’s been some cries for a RB here at MHR, it’s difficult to see a strong possibility of a RB being picked in the first part of the draft. It’s possible but this draft offers too many other possibilities unless we’re intent on picking a RB high. The likeliest offensive pick early on would appear to be on the OL, which could be the strongest overall area of the draft. My guess is that there will be a zone-block type of Center available, and there’s a few more ZB types at both OG and OT.

There have been underclassmen declaring lately and a few more declarations could push the others down. I still see the best possibility for our picking a RB to come around the middle of the draft, perhaps around 4 or 5, and I’m leaning towards 5 or 6 lately. It would be an attempt to address that position. The odds are also influenced by the fact that we should have 4 of our 9 picks at 5 & 6. It’s also a good point to address positional needs, since the intervals between players are smaller and teams diverge in their ratings, which makes ‘steals’ more likely.

It’s a fool’s bet to attempt to guess the odds, but we’re really just guessing whether Denver will make RB an objective in this draft. The presence of a BPA could derail their pre-draft objectives at certain points but RB is a well-populated position so there will be opportunities to pick one. Having met other objectives in previous rounds is also a consideration.

The best way to explain this is to look at our needs along with availability.

OFFENSE:

QB — slim / low
RB — moderate / low
OL — moderate / high
TE – slim / low
WR – low / high

DEFENSE

DT — high / low
DE — moderate / high (*for rush end)
OLB — moderate / low
MLB — high / moderate
CB — low to moderate / low
S – high / moderate to high

There’s a number of caveats I could make but the basic picture is that our high & moderate needs number around 7 positions, more or less. Although much of our draft should focus on filling these need areas, particularly in the early rounds, when possible starters or important upgrades/depth could be found, there’s always the chance of a BPA breakthrough. A good guess might be a WR, since it’s well populated. OL should produce a pick, especially because of availability. RB is a possible but I’m not as high on the quality there. I think it’s going to depend on how the new staff views our situation. The changes in the coaching staff seem to make it likely that the running game will be emphasized. I would guess that the new staff will view many of our current RBs as too fragile to depend on, and this makes it likely that they’ll add one RB to the mix in the draft.

by Colinski on Jan 11, 2009 11:46 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Almost forgot- BRONCOBEAR FOR MHR POSITION COACH!!!!!

"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09

I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!

by papigrande on Jan 10, 2009 12:33 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It came true!

"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09

I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!

by papigrande on Jan 10, 2009 12:33 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHY PJ Hill

Now this is my opinion, but I do not think the Broncos need PJ Hill. I would like to see Denver go after the kid out of USC in the first round LB Amougha. In the second round I think they take the best available safety. Third round if we want a running back we do not need to look far. The kid out of CO. State is a beast and would be awesome with us, then back to defense for the rest of the draft. Does anyone agree or disagree with me?

by Tomeboy58801 on Jan 11, 2009 9:10 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forget drafting offense

I would love to see Denver take Gerald McCoy DT from Oklahoma. He was a monster all year and had a solid game against Florida last Thursday in the BCS title game. He was all bug 12 and first team all aAmerican.

Statistics – Updated Dec. 8, 2008
Year G-GS Solo Ast Tackles TFL/Yds Sacks/Yds PBU QBH FF FR
2008 13-13 13 13 26 10.0/-39 6.5/-35 2 1 0 0
2007 13-13 10 9 19 6.5/-26 2.0/-15 0 6 1 1
Totals 26-26 23 22 45 16.5/-65 8.5/-50 2 7 1 1

His stats ,ay not overwhlm you but most DTs wouldn’t. He is good, young and geting better. He also had a pick against Tebow.

by bronco aj on Jan 11, 2009 5:41 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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