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1. I hear the Broncos will narrow their list of candidates to three and then start the second interview phase sometime next week. It’s unclear if they will add any more candidates to their search. Raheem Morris will be one of the three…
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Can't wait to see who the final three are.
I am glad they are taking their time and interviewing as many as possible……..you don’t want to mess this one up.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
I think Josh McDaniels will be one of the three,
And I really hope Spagnuolo is the other. Go Spags!
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I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!
From what I know of those guys,
I will be happy either way. However I am pulling for Spags, we need defense.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
ROMANOWSKI HIRED AS MANAGER ! ! !
of the shake machine.
Tactics without Strategy is the noise you hear before Defeat!
Rooting for Raheem
If we get Morris and change to a Tampa 2 defense he will need a mlb who can run the deep middle of the field. Who is faster Mauluga or Lourinitis?
Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan
Probably Maualuga...
but that’s without having done any research and based off of watching games. I’m sure someone else can provide a good answer. Although Lauranitis is a pretty darn good blitzer (oh wait….I forgot, the ‘blitz’ word has fallen off the face of the earth in terms of Bronco defense this past season haha).
I know Boydy and Donbok will be saying Rey all day!
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Brandon Spikes
is better in coverage then both of them. Maualuga is more of in the box MLB that runs side line to side line, he is not so great in coverage. The kid form ohio state is just over rated
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 8, 2009 9:55 PM MST up reply actions
He's not overrated.
But Brandon Spikes would be the right pick to start a Tamp 2 defense of the people mentioned so far.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jan 8, 2009 10:30 PM MST up reply actions
as
to Maualuga and Spikes. I think Spikes is better then all of them. He is good at MLB but he also lines up as a DE at Florida. They use spikes everywhere and he is effective everywhere
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 8, 2009 10:35 PM MST up reply actions
yes, Spikes
I noticed him in last night’s game big time! I think we’re all agree we need that MIke backer to build off of.. I’m not biting on the USC pedigree (and I live in LA currently), the Samoan looks to be over-rated to me.. Lauranitus looks pretty good too.
by quarterhorse on Jan 9, 2009 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
They said the same thing about Junior back in the day. Don't count the Samoans out man...
6’2" 260….I dunno. I think I like the idea of having a monster in the middle. :)
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Yea James L is now where close
to Maualuga and Spikes. I think Spikes is better then all of them. He is good at MLB but he also lines up as a DE at Florida. They use spikes everywhere and he is effective everywhere
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 8, 2009 10:35 PM MST up reply actions
That's what I've been calling for...
glad someone else is asking the same question.. GO CHARLIE STRONG!!!
I wish Woody Paige was our coach!
Haha, this is great.
The amount of people asking this question gets higher and higher and higher! I love it :)
Agreed my man!!!
You know we too well Steve O….I could be talked into Cushing too at SLB (HAHAHA)!!!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
No to Laurentitus....
Hes not in the same league as Rey. Rey’s fast, a hitter and brings it. If we are not going to bring a high intensity guy in at SLB then we need him at MLB.
A reminder: If we bring in Capers we are going 3-4 which I like, and we will have DJ, Larsen, WW, Doom, Moss…..bring in a beast like Rey or Cushing and we will be great there.
Get a BJ or Cody at NT and we will look good I think. Chung at safety unless we can get back into the first round and get Mays (wont happen).
By the way, being a TOTAL homer, but USC would have beaten either Oklahoma or Florida.
Yeah Trojans!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Just want to say though...
First I completely agree with James being worse than the other two MLBs mentioned (Spikes and Maualuga) and I probably don’t want him on the team either. However, there is a place for success for these guys that appear a little slower (aka Big Ten LBs)…Chad Greenway, Paul Posluszny (who knows whether Dan Connor will be able to bounce back from a season ending injury)….However, it doesn’t seem like the son of ‘The Animal’ is mentioned as highly as he has been in the recent past. So again, I’m with you there, I just hope people don’t overlook him (or more specifically, LBs out of that conference) because he doesn’t necessarily play with the flash and speed of other LBs.
Like you I don’t necessarily crave him in the draft (there are guys better) and although I didn’t figure that was the reason you liked Maualuga over L (I do too), I just hope that we don’t overlook guys like that. Sure, he could be a bust, but unless you’re a darn good scout with a proven record of seeing talent in college players…who knows?
Just wanted to say I’m with you here though :)
And Utah would of beaten USC, MWC dominated PAC-10
But I agree, I really think Maualuga is too special a player to pass up, he reminds me of Junior Saeu except 20 lbs bigger, but same fire and intensity, and a playmaker, I think Spikes is very good and likely better in coverage, but I want Maualuga attacking the line of scrimmage, not covering TE’s, both Williams and Woodyard can do that. I just want Maualuga hulking over the center, scaring the QB, putting the fear of god into the RB, that is what I need in a MLB, not someone chasing TE’s down the field.
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
Brandon Spikes will be the best defensive player in the Draft...
if he goes pro, which is likely. He has a brother who they say got wrongly convicted of murder, and Spikes wants to get his bro better legal representation.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
I strongly disagree...
I don’t think Spikes will be better than any of the three LBs that will most likely go ahead of him. We will see though. I think Spikes gets swallowed up by blockers too much, and over pursues. I did not notice him at all tonight in the championship despite their victory. He had maybe 4-6 tackles?
"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith
Yeah, but two of those tackles were goal line stops.
One on third down that led to a failed 4th down attempt, and one right before they forced the interception at the end of the half. He has a knack for making big plays, which is what I noticed.
"WTF" By Zappa. 1/5/09
I can deal with bears....sharks on the other hand.......of course, I am not talking about if I were menstrual(I’m a guy so that isn’t it), but yeah. I can deal with bears if my arm or something was bleedin’, but sharks? I’ll pass on those. The worst feeling in the world is to be out in the surf and feel something very large brush up against your leg as you were alone waiting for your next wave. I don’t think I’ve gone out past waist deep in the ocean since. lol It was probably just a damn dolphin or something, but yeah. Screw sharks and the evolutionary train they rode in on!
I think Spikes is a better MLB
then Maualuga. Spikes really impressed me tonight. Also I am so sick of ESPN and announcers blowing Tim Tebow. Tim is go great, blah blah blah, he does missionary work, blah blah blah. he is superman, blah blah blah. No one gives a shit about how religious he is. The fact is he is an average QB that can run because he weighs 250 pounds. He will not be a QB in the NFL. That is for sure. He will be lucky to even make it in the NFL.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 8, 2009 10:01 PM MST reply actions
The MSM Teblow was in major effect, indeed.
Exciting news about the search though. I’m pulling for McDanials or Morris, either would be great. Spagnuolo would be awesome for sure, but I shudder at the thought of refering to our HC as “Spags”.
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I think you have this one wrong...
Tebow is one of the all-time greatest college players ever. He’s very, very far above average at that level. As far as the NFL goes, he needs another year in college to refine his passing mechanics, and particularly a slow delivery, but he has every bit of the natural ability needed to play QB at the NFL level.
Remember, this is a guy who threw 2 INTs all season, before throwing 2 tonight. He can throw the ball. The reason people don’t believe in him is because of skills he has (meaning running the ball,) not because of skills he doesn’t have. That’s really backwards, idiotic thinking. Just because a QB can run doesn’t mean he should be pigeon-holed as a running QB who can’t play in the pro game.
I could care less about Tebow’s missionary work and proselytizing in prisons, but this guy is a football player. Somebody is going to bet right on him, and have the patience to develop him. That team will win be in the mix to win championships with him, because a football player is a football player.
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by Ted Bartlett on Jan 8, 2009 10:44 PM MST up reply actions
Tebow will Never win a SB
at the next level. Yea he is a great College player but so was Ryan Leaf and Troy Smith and many others that never made it in the NFL and never will
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 8, 2009 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
oh And he only threw 2 INT
because he rarely throws it over the middle and deep. He mostly dumps it off and lets his WR do all the work. He does not throw a lot of INT because they do not allow him to throw it all over the field.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 8, 2009 10:49 PM MST up reply actions
That is because he runs too much.
I have never been a fan of a QB who comes out of college runs more than some RBs.
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Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
No.
Normally I find myself in agreement with you, but Tebow is not going to be an NFL QB. He’s been running a certain style of offense since high school, and college has only furthered his development in that offense.
The NFL is NOT the place to go to learn how to play football. That development and progression takes place in college, and while Tebow is undeniably one of the greatest college football players and leaders the game has ever seen, it does not mean he will translate to the league. I know you know this.
Re-learning how to play the hardest position in the highest level league is not a formula for success. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but in my personal opinion, if Tebow insists on staying as a QB, he had better be prepared to swallow an enormous dose of humility because the NFL is going to break him down and rebuild him. He should be not be allowed to play, under any circumstances, for at least 3 seasons. AT LEAST. The learning curve will be incredibly steep, and I think it’s in Tebow’s best interests to consider a position switch. He can catch on with a team like Miami where they are already running a more interesting style of offense and he’d be a sure-fire weapon in that kind of situation. Otherwise, his skills will be going to waste.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
I agree with Slamdunkthefunk...Tebow is a no go
He won’t be drafted in round 1
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Disagree....
He struggled against pressure tonight, and Florida does not play a REAL Pro style offense. He will struggle and I believe in majorly over rated.
Each to their own though Ted.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
ERRRRRRRR
Wrong answer…if Tebow is successful in the NFL it won’t be a QB. He “can” pass, but his mechanics are crap. His delivery is way too slow. I don’t see it in any way, shape, or form.
He is the second coming…of Ryan Leaf.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
...If Ryan Leaf were had to have
ran all over college defenders and performed miracles in the same breath
Not exactly
I was referring to biggest draft bust of all time. Tebow will flop as a QB. He would make a good FB though. : )
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
Haha no I got you.
Just wanted to throw in some stupid Tebow hype in there too. You know … like “the man works miracles?” I couldn’t get enough of the announcers salivating over him last night. (Un-Sarcastic Me: It’s pretty freakin’ annoying, just call the game and stop telling us how much you love Tebow haha) Well, there’s my take on the whole SUPERMAN thing. haha, I’ll end it there.
Yeah, I think he’d be a nice runner too with a throwing threat. How’s his blocking though?
I'll give him this
He has the frame to lay some wood on someone…that’s why I said he’d make a good FB. He’s smart enough to block…we just have to see if we can flag him down…I heard he’s busy leaping tall buildings in a single bound at the moment.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
so. . .
You dislike a guy who has good character, is religous, and wants to help others not as fortunate as us? WOW! That is a pretty bold statement. I think he is a great kid with his head on straight, and a pretty good athlete. He may or may not be a NFL type of QB. Now how do you figure he is an average QB. One of the best QBs ever to play in the NCAA.
If you dont like him because you dont think he is a good QB is one thing, but to trash a guy or dislike him because of what he stands for. . . well I find that kind of harsh and a little unfair to the guy. I guess you would hate Cutler if he wasnt a Bronco because he has diabetes.
If you feel this is too harsh, sorry but I have been to the countries he has done missionary work and have help build orphanages, paint schools and help those locals and its a great service that he does, without want. (I was in the USN for 13 yrs)
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 8, 2009 11:10 PM MST up reply actions
I agree that you dont taint people on their personal beliefs 100%....
But we have seen some great college QB’s never make it.
Akili Smith, Jason White, Chris Leak….the list goes on and on.
I just dont see it with Tebow. His best chance would probably be as a H Back with a team that runs some wild cat stuff.
Good athlete, just not NFL QB material!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
agreed
I think he can play in the nfl, just maybe not at QB.
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 9, 2009 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
No question he's got the intangibles!
And that’s a very important word in the NFL these days…character. I’m sure we all remember hearing that at some point this season…maybe at multiple points? Maybe constantly? :)
+1
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 9, 2009 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
Good for Tebow and the things he does helping people, etc.
but to me he has the same Eddie Haskell quality of Phyllis Rivers. He may be genuine, but all the rah-rah running on to the field, taunting other players, WWF crowd stoking, etc. rubs me the wrong way— big time.
"Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."
thats fine
If you dont like what he does on the field is one thing to dislike what he does off the field is wrong (As long as he isnt breaking the law) especially if its based on his core beliefs. I am not big on his antics, but its college and kind of expected. I dont think that would fly in the NFL. PLus I would never compare him to Phyllis, thats just plain mean! LOL
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 9, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
Honestly
Who cares what he does off the field. I do not care how good of a person Tebow is. I am sick of everyone calling him “Superman” and ESPN and College annoucers bowing at his feet and talking like he is a god or something. The announcers last night all have man crushes on the guy. All they talked about was Tebow and how you are a better person if you spend 15 minutes with the guy. This is all Bull Shit. There are a lot of people that do the same thing he does with helping people. He is a highly overrated player. He is surrounded by a lot of talent that makes him look really good. He will not make it as a QB at the next level. He will have to learn a whole new position
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 9, 2009 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
bull
in this day and age when all we hear are about the Adam Jones’ of the football world, its nice to hear about a good character guy. If I am not mistaken this has/had been harped here on this site renlentlessly. If you dont like him, so be it. I guess if you dont like ESPN, et al talking about him dont listen to him, but it seems wrong to dislike a guy based off what good he likes to do
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 9, 2009 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
Bull back at ya
I don’t dislike him because of his character. I dislike everyone getting all friggin teaked up because he does PR. I watch football to see football.
I don’t want to hear about Pacman’s antics when I watch football.
I don’t want to hear about Tebow’s selfless trips to Thailand (including photographers) either.
I want to see people playing football.
Great college QB — sure. Boring to me — yes (but then again college football is typically boring to me…I’m spoiled by the talent level at the NFL). Superman — ABSOLUTELY NOT. Saint — I don’t give a flip. Shut the heck up and talk about football for goodness sake!!!
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
dude
if you have read what was going on the criticism was about his off the field activities. How about this if you dont like what I am saying DO NOT RESPOND! What a friggin novel idea, eh?
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 9, 2009 10:40 PM MST up reply actions
Duuude
Because I call it like I read it and I think you are painting your own picture over what Gnarly’s point. And no, sorry but you aren’t the only person who gets to have an opinion. If I disagree with you, I get to respond all I want. Even Bronco fans get the right of freedom of speech in this country. :) Novel indeed.
Snarky comments aside, we can agree to disagree with this one. As far as Tebow goes, I can let it go where it is at as I think I’ve represented my opinion quite well just as you have with yours.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
I agree with that
My entire point is I disagree on disliking Tebow because does what he believes in off the field. Now I dont really disagree with his point on that Tebow most likely wont be a good NFL type QB. But I am still cant count him out on that point yet. I see a Trent Green who was the #3 QB here in Sd for a spell then a back up in Washington, before Vermeil took a chance on him in ST. Louis, and was gonna be the starter until HArrison cheap shotted him out of his season. Then he was replaced by another QB who was out of the NFL and bagging food, and then was in the Arena league. But honestly I dont think Tebow will be a NFL QB.
Plus I think its nice to have a football player in the news for the good, not the arrests, DUI’s, beating women, shooting, or even getting shot. Did ESPN overblow it, oh heck ya. (its what ESPN does and does well- thats why their has to be another all sports network)
Didnt mean any disrespect or the such, just being down here in SD I heard all the crap towards Marshall, and Jackson’s 2nd DUI being swept aside and Foley got shot because he was gonna get DUI.
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 10, 2009 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
See Spikes did not impress me tonight.
The defense as a whole did, but Spikes did not stand out like I wanted to see out of him. I think Maualuga and Laurinaitis will be better pros. And would like to see the Broncos take One of the two, or Mays with the 12th pick if available.
We will see though, I have been very wrong before. (cough Ashley Lelie cough)
"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith
I'll be honest
Laurinaitis is this year’s Dan Connor/Paul Posluzny (sp?). The guy is widely regarded as a great college linebacker, but he isn’t that WOW athlete that gets drafted in the first and I think he’ll start to slip when the draft actually gets here. It seems crazy to think about right now because the season just ended, but once the game tape becomes more and more irrelevant and teams start zeroing in on the athletes, Laurinaitis is exactly the kind of kid to slip in the draft. I wouldn’t take him with the 12th pick, but I would take him in the second round if he falls THAT far (which I don’t expect to happen. I expect a fall, but not one that dramatic). I think the 12th pick should be a situation where we cross our fingers and hope for Mays. I doubt he gets to us, so we’ll have other directions to look.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
Could be..
I think Laurinaitis will surprise many with his athleticism at the combine. I bet he will run a faster, or at the least just as fast 40 as Spikes and Maualuga. Playing in the Big Ten might hurt peoples perspective on him at this point. With that said I would be very happy with any of the three.
"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith
Honestly
My dream is to have Laurinaitis drop to second and we snatch him up after grabbing Mays in the first, or trading down in the first and nabbing William Moore later in the first.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
Same here.
I think it’s sad that playing in the Big 10 can damage perspective. Poz isn’t doing so badly for Buffalo and Greenway is doing pretty darn well for the VIkings (Connor hasn’t seen the field because of injury, but whatever). SDF made a good point though about the ‘athlete.’ Lots of NFL teams out there look for that speed and the ‘WOW athlete’ these days, which I’m sure you know yourself. However, sometimes doing that can force you to pass up some solid football players. They LBs certainly have different styles and weaknesses and while there’s some I prefer over others, I’ll be happy if the next MLB (should Denver even draft one…I darn well hope they do) improves our team and makes our defense better, no matter who he is.
Seriously
Spikes was all over the field. He was in on all the key stops the Gators Made. He was all over the field last night making plays. I do not know what game you were watching but maybe you should go back and watch it again. Spikes is the best player on the Florida D and even Urban Myer has admited that his D goes the way Spikes goes. Spikes is just as important to the Gators D and Tebow is the the O. Spikes also creats mismatches. He is a very underated MLB and they use him at DE on passing Situations sometimes.
Spikes Stats for 2008. 87 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 Int for 93 yards and 2 TD
Maualuga Stats, 80 Takles, 0 Sacks, 2 Int for 48 yards and 1 TD. Maualuga Junior season was much more impressive with 78 tackles and 6 sacks
I would take either but I think Spikes is more versitle.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 9, 2009 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Spikes is 100% the best player on the Florida D
Laurinaitis: 130 Tackles, 1 FF, 4 Sacks, and 2 INTs
The kid is a freak. He was also a top hockey prospect, and could of been drafted as high as the 2nd round.
I think people need to realize he is as talented and as athletic as Spikes and Maualuga. Depending on the teams preferences any one of the three could be first off the board.
Now Aaron Curry at strongside…he will be a top 8 pick at this point so don’t need to talk about him.
"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith
Top 8 would be sliding
I think he’ll wind up Top 4, really. That kid is somethin else.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jan 10, 2009 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Browns
He won’t make it past the Browns now that they are going to run the 3-4. he will be perfect there.
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