Do we really want a Pats assistant coach?
Success has a strange way of warping peoples views, as much as I admire the Patriots for what they have been able to accomplish, I come back to the head coach in Brian Bilichick. I no way doubt his ability to coach, but calling him anything short of arogant, egotistical, and petty man is probably being too nice. His assistant coaches that have gone on to become head coaches have not faired that well and many seem to carry some of the same traits that we despise in Bilicheck. I don't know if McDaniels will follow in those footsteps, but I have a feeling that being as young as a coach that he is and having his major influence be Bilichick, it may be a bad combination to have on this team.
It is obvious that McDaniels is a good X's and O's coach, but that really was not the issue with Shanahan and in all seriousness, Bowlen did not fire Shanahan because of X' and O's. What we don't know is can he inspire and lead the team, can he build an sense of unitity and purpose, can he gain the trust of the team. Bilichick's first stint as a NFL coach was a dismil failure in Cleveland, he aleinated star players, built mistrust in the fans and media, and fractured the team. Bilichick's next success has largey been due to a fluke in that Drew Bledsoe got injured and Tom Brady got to play, few if anyone realized what a QB Brady would turn into, even those on the Pats staff. Remember that there was great debate before the Super Bowl against the Rams weather Brady or Bledsoe should start, so it was still not a clear cut choice. But Bilichick played the hot hand and let Brady start and the rest was history.
But through the Patriots success, Bilichick has never found a way to elevate his own perception in the media as anything more than an egotistical and bitter coach. This is a team that got busted for cheating and Bilichick's answer was he didn't think it was, this is a coach who showed no class by running off the field before the game was over in the Super Bowl when they lost, this is a man who has general disdain for the media and his fellow coaches. I don't know is McDaniels is the same type of coach, but if Bilichick is his mentor, I am guessing that they have the same character types. And like the Browns, Jets, and Irish have found out, just because you hire a Pats Assistant coach does not mean you will have success.
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Belichick...
What alot of people forget about Billy Boy is he had the Browns going in the right direction UNTIL Art Modell announced he was moving the team. In 1994, the Browns went 11-5 and beat Parcells’ Patriots in the playoffs.
It is true that Belichick wasn’t a media darling, and he did run Bernie Kosar out of town, but it is eerily similar to what he did to a NE QB hero – Drew Bledsoe.
I get what the point is here, and part of me agrees heavily since Belichick’s disciples have been failures as Head Coaches — Mangini, Weis, Crennel.
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by John Bena on Jan 9, 2009 11:37 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Big difference is that he didn't have Brady backing up Kosar in Cleveland
What I will give Bilicheck credit for is that he helped build the Super Bowl defense that won Baltimore it’s Super Bowl, but you are right on Modell didn’t help matter by deciding to move the team to Baltimore.
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by Broncoman on Jan 9, 2009 11:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
True...
It was Vinnie Testaverde, who, at the same point in his career as Brady that season, would had to have been considered a better option.
Hell, Billy was right about Kosar and the infamous “diminished skills” – Kosar never was a starting QB again. add to that the fact Bernie was ignoring playcalls and drawing plays up in the Municipal Stadium dirt and you get the reasons why Billy made the choice…
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by John Bena on Jan 9, 2009 12:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Vinnie ended up playing 21 seasons and led the NYJ into Denver for the 1998 AFC title game, and who was his D-coord? BB
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 10, 2009 1:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The answer is "we don't know."
Watching the hiring process as an outsider is frustrating. Maybe McDaniels was tough as nails in the interviews. Maybe he cried. We don’t know, so all we can do is guess.
I agree that Pats assistants aren’t automatically successful. But does that mean we wouldn’t want Spags or young Shanny or Tony Dungy if they were employed by the pats? You could just as easily say that most coaching hires are failures. And these were failures. Bonus points for pointing out that the Jets, Browns and Notre Dame are all severely dysfunctional organizations.
About Belichick being a jerk…. The one thing I know is that the dude’s players seem loyal. I’ll never forget the way those 2003-2004 teams played with chips on their shoulder, even though they were so obviously better than anyone else.
by Chibronx on Jan 9, 2009 11:56 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I guess...
that I have more faith on Mr. Bowlin than you do. By now it seems obvious that disfunction on the team is what cost Shanny his job, disfunctional coaching staff, disfunctional front office. I think if PB detects signs of arrogance or disfunction he will eliminate those candidates. I think he wants a team of demons on the field that plays nice in the locker room and HQ.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 9, 2009 12:03 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
My problem with McDaniels
Is that I’ve not heard rave reviews about his personality. True, Big Old Bill has no personality either so it may not be a problem, but still…
I hear people rave about Spags’ and Morris’ fire and intensity which is a contagious quality, especially when you’re a Head Coach. And I for one feel that there was slightly less fire around Dove Valley in recent times which has led to some rather flat performances. At the moment this team is still in flux, especially on D and it needs to bond. And I think a more fiery coach will bring this team together better at least in the short term than in the long term. Whenever I watch the Pats, they always seem so clincal – it’s great if you have all the pieces in place and what have you, but we simply don’t at this point.
by Muse_Cubed on Jan 9, 2009 12:23 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
That's the big question...
People who know and are close to Bill will say he is a great guy with a wonderful sense of humor, etc. His players say the same thing. Like most, I could give a damn if the new HC talks to the press or smiles for cameras. Can he lead and motivate grown men? Does he know how to delegate responsibility? Does he know football, both sides of the ball?
Save the manner school….
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by John Bena on Jan 9, 2009 12:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed Johnny B (Guru) 100%!!!
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by boydy2669 on Jan 9, 2009 4:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You got a solid point right there.
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by weazel on Jan 9, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont care
If talks to the press and is all lovey dovey with them. I care about what is done behind closed doors. Here in SD there has been interviews with Seau and he loves Belichick. I like the fact that BB is so monotone with the media, he has success. Now I dont think McDaniels is in the same vein as Mangini, Weis and Crennel. (IMO Mangini was fired to appease Favre nothing more or less)
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 10, 2009 1:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows???
Regardless of who we hire as a coach, we will not know if they can inspire and/or motivate and/or lead and/or etc. until we see the results on the field. Bill Cowher is the only one we could hire and we would absolutely know he inspires and all that stuff. I think that’s why he is so sought after. I’m not saying I want him or don’t want him. I’m just saying he is the only one out there where you know we would at the very least get inspired, motivated players from day one. Everyone else will be a wait and see approach.
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by orangeblood on Jan 9, 2009 1:06 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
AGree with your comment
But SHanny’s a better coach than Cowher. I’d still take him 10 out of 10 times over Cowher. We need to put our faith in a coach that we think can be the BEST coach in the NFL.
by super7 on Jan 9, 2009 1:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels is a Pats assistant, but...
He’s not a retread with the Pats that got his job because he coached w/ Belichek in Cleveland or something. He’s the guy with the keys to the company hot rod (the offense) and he know how to drive it very well.
Look, every coach in the league can be criticized.
McDaniels is a Pat’s assistant, and that has a negative connotation because many of his assistants that became coaches weren’t terribly successful, but…
that doesn’t mean ANYTHING.
Thake a look below, many of these guys have and haven’t been a success. I don’t think there’s any one coaching tree with 100% success. This is all from a website, so not my info, but it makes my point.
The Marty Schottenheimer Coaching Tree
Marty Schottenheimer— He got his NFL start in 1975 under legendary defensive expert Bill Arnsparger, but Schottenheimer has spent more of his career teaching others than being taught himself. Perhaps most impressively, Schottenheimer doesn’t just find good assistants, or just teach them to be good coaches — he teaches them to be good teachers.
Bill Cowher— Cowher’s branch of the Schottenheimer tree is pretty impressive itself: Capers, Del Río, Haslett, Lewis, and Mularkey, not to mention ex-Cowboys coach Chan Gailey and former Bengals coach Dick LeBeau, who will probably get another shot if Pittsburgh’s defense is as impressive next season as it was in 2004. Cowher played and coached for Schottenheimer in Cleveland, and followed him to Kansas City before taking over the Steelers.
Mike Mularkey, BUF— Spent eight seasons with Cowher before getting the head position in Buffalo last season. Mularkey played for Chuck Noll for three seasons, and he’s also part of the less-glorious Sam Wyche tree.
Dom Capers, HOU — I’ve listed him as part of the Cowher tree because that’s where he was before his first head coaching gig, with the expansion Panthers. It might be more accurate, though, to put him in the surprisingly impressive Jim Mora tree, since Capers spent six years with Mora in New Orleans and only three in Pittsburgh. Capers also spent two seasons under Tom Coughlin, which connects him to the Bill Parcells coaching tree.
Jim Haslett, NO — Another Cowher protégé, he spent three seasons in Pittsburgh before taking the Saints job. Haslett also traces some of his roots to Mora, though, with two years in New Orleans before Cowher hired him with the Steelers. He played for Chuck Knox in Buffalo.
Marvin Lewis, CIN — Lewis never worked directly under Schottenheimer, but he worked for Cowher for four years, making him part of the Schottenheimer tree. Although Cowher was his primary influence, Lewis also connects to the Dennis Green coaching tree via his work as defensive coordinator for Green protégé Brian Billick.
Jack Del Río, JAC — A loose relation to the Schottenheimer tree, he qualifies because of his three seasons working under Lewis in Baltimore. As a player, Del Río also spent time with Mora, Green, and Jimmy Johnson.
Tony Dungy, IND — He also worked with Dennis Green as Minnesota’s defensive coordinator from 1992-95, but Schottenheimer is his primary influence. Dungy also played for Noll and Bill Walsh. KC’s 1990-91 assistant coaches included Cowher, Dungy, and Herm Edwards, making it one of the best staffs in recent memory.
Herman Edwards, NYJ — Although he clearly has his own style, Edwards is a Schottenheimer guy through and through. An assistant in Kansas City for six seasons, he also worked under Dungy in Tampa Bay before taking over the Jets in 2001. Edwards initially made his name as a player for Dick Vermeil in Philadelphia.
Lovie Smith, CHI — Like Edwards, he’s a distinguished member of the Tony Dungy coaching tree, but unlike the Jets’ coach, he never worked directly with Schottenheimer. Smith is also a distant relation of the Jimmy Johnson tree, via Rams coach Mike Martz, a Norv Turner disciple.
The Bill Walsh Coaching Tree (originally called the Holmgren tree, I fixed it and called it the Walsh tree)
Mike Shanahan – you know the story
George Seifert – you know the story
Gary Kubiak – you know the story
Mike Holmgren, SEA — Holmgren, of course, traces his own roots to legendary 49ers coach Bill Walsh, but he’s established his own style to the point that he deserves his own tree, not just a branch. Former head coaches Dick Jauron (Bears), Marty Mornhinweg (Lions), and Ray Rhodes (Eagles, Packers) were also Holmgren assistants, but they don’t appear on this list. Former Raiders coach Bill Callahan was also part of the Holmgren tree, via Rhodes and Jon Gruden.
Jon Gruden, TB — An assistant for Holmgren from 1992-94, he’s also connected to the Walsh tree through Rhodes, for whom he served as offensive coordinator in Philadelphia.
Steve Mariucci, DET — Ran Holmgren’s offense before taking over the 49ers — there’s that Walsh connection again — but the really fascinating thing is that Mooch also worked for Mike Ditka for two seasons in Chicago. Jauron is Mariucci’s defensive coordinator in Detroit.
Andy Reid, PHI — The most accomplished member of Holmgren’s tree, he was on Green Bay’s staff for seven seasons before joining the Eagles. With Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel gone from New England, Reid probably has the most respected pair of coordinators (Brad Childress and Jim Johnson) in the league. Mornhinweg is also on Reid’s staff.
Mike Sherman, GB — The embattled Packers coach was on Holmgren’s staff in Green Bay for two seasons and followed him to Seattle before returning to become the head coach in Titletown.
The Bill Parcells Coaching Tree
Bill Parcells, DAL — His legacy has really taken off the last few seasons. Parcells was on Ray Perkins’ staff in New York, but even more than Schottenheimer and Holmgren, he’s really crafted himself. Maurice Carthon, who played and coached under Parcells, and Eric Mangini, the new defensive coordinator in New England, are both hot prospects who might expand the Parcells coaching tree within the next several years.
Bill Belichick, NE — This is the one every fan knows. Belichick was an assistant for Perkins, too, and Parcells kept him on when he became head coach. Belichick also worked for Parcells with the Patriots and Jets before returning to New England in 2000.
Romeo Crennel, CLE — Perkins may not have been an exceptional coach, but he knew how to pick ‘em. The 1981-82 Giants had Parcells, Belichick, and Crennel as assistants. Crennel stayed with the Giants until 1992, then went to the Pats when Parcells came out of retirement in 1993. He also followed Parcells to the Jets before joining Belichick’s staff in ’01.
Nick Saban, MIA — Saban is hard to pin down, but the Parcells tree is where he fits best, having spent four years with Belichick in Cleveland. Saban got his NFL start from Jerry Glanville in Houston in the late 1980s.
Tom Coughlin, NYG — The Parcells influence is clear in the way he runs his teams. Coughlin spent three years with Parcells, including the Giants’ 1990 Super Bowl campaign.
Between Schottenheimer, Walsh, and Parcells, 20 of the league’s 32 head coaches are accounted for. That’s an awfully impressive résumé for those three men. The remaining trees have fewer branches.
by super7 on Jan 9, 2009 1:14 PM MST reply actions 6 recs
Impressive, most impressive
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by Broncoman on Jan 9, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I HAD to rec'd that!
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Jan 9, 2009 2:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes two of us
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by Broncoman on Jan 9, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
REC'D SUPER!!!!
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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Jan 9, 2009 4:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I
Like to put gailey and Shanny under the Reeves coaching tree. (i am a HOMER)
Excellent post
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 10, 2009 1:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
A NOTE ABOUT THE INFO ABOVE
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/Coaching_Trees.GIF
That link nails the coaching trees, way better than the info in my original post.
My point is that not ALL guys from one branch of the tree are awful or great.
by super7 on Jan 9, 2009 1:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
You know, I have listened & read
many inspiring articles & thoughts on who we should pick to replace shanny. I am not one that knows the X’s & O"s, like many of you. In fact I am new here at MHR, at least
in expressing my opinions. ( learker for over a year ) But I have bled orange and blue for longer than most.
My question, In our quest for the best Head Coach, should be the same as the players should it not? Loyality above all else. Why must we search the whole NFL, for the qualities we have in our own back yard. Yes thats right, Rick Dennison has all of those
qualities——-and——-loyality to boot. From what I here he’s pretty smart too. I don’t have the stats, but when he ran ST—he was pretty good, What he’s done for the line is phenomenal, and he was a pretty good DB.
So in my humble opinion, I just hope Mr. B. has a hard look in our own back yard.
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by UB3 on Jan 9, 2009 1:52 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Not opposed to that, and maybe that is the best option
I still like Troy Calhoun also as a local that is familar with the organization and can be a great leader and inspire.
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by Broncoman on Jan 9, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanx Broncoman
I was beginning to think I was being ignored
I see said the Blind man to the Deaf man who was near.
What is it you hear when I speak in your ear.
by UB3 on Jan 9, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I do like
the idea of Dennison. I just don’t see Bowlen firing Shanahan to “go in a different direction,” and then hiring someone from the Shanahan staff. For those of us who weren’t sure firing Shanahan was a prudent move, I say root for Dennison’s Denizens.
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by HarvJNep2n on Jan 11, 2009 4:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously put together by someone with an agenda
Just because a coach happened at some point in their career to have worked for another does not mean that’s where they learned their craft.
Shanahan learned to coach in the pros under Dan Reeves (which would put him in a Landry Tree). He was already and established OC when he went to work for George Seifert. Technically he never coached WITH Walsh. Wade Phillips was an established DC and HC long before he ever worked with Marty. He too learned under Reeves and from his father (mostly from his father I think). Tony Dungy was an established defensive coordinator under Chuck Knoll and shows no influence from Shottenheimer. Dungy’s major influence obviously was Noll’s cover-2 defense which he and Monte Kiffin adapted to the modern Tampa-2.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 9, 2009 1:55 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
How could you say I have an aggenda ;)
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by Broncoman on Jan 9, 2009 2:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points
Not to be a nebbish, but I think that the reason Shanahan gets placed with Walsh is that he took the WCO style from Walsh and made it his own. I would agree that lots of these men learned what they could from each other and founded their own styles to the best of their abilities. Great analysis, both.
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by Emmett Smith on Jan 9, 2009 2:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Technically
Walsh took it from Sid Gilman and Don Coryeal, but he lost his QB and had to adjust it from a vertical attack to a horiz attack because he had a noodle armed backup. As they say, the rest is history.
Shanny took a Lombardi/Gibbs approach and grafted a Walsh style passing attack to it and created his own system.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 9, 2009 6:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
if you want to get even more technical
Walsh learned from one of the best offensive minds to ever coach football. Paul Brown. So based all of this shouldnt Walsh’s tree actually be the Paul Brown tree?
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 10, 2009 1:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to talk about a Paul Brown tree
you would have to include almost everyone:
Walsh, Gillman, Noll, Shula, Wyche, Saban…
The only ones that weren’t would be Lombardi and Landry
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 10, 2009 2:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
thats why
I dont like the term coaching trees. I think unless a guy was an assistant solely under one guy then you could say he was under that tree. Like Landry had Reeves and Ditka under him and noone else. Not too mention Ditka ended his career in Dallas and Reeves played and coached (As an assistant) under Landry and only Landry.
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jan 10, 2009 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
EIther way...
The point is that it shouldn’t matter.
Just because a coach learned their craft from another coach doesn’t mean that they will coach like that original coach or any othe the other coaches who have learned from the original coach.
by super7 on Jan 9, 2009 2:03 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
True
I just go to the history of Magini, Crennel, and Weiss, none have been that impressive, I just look at young 32 year old, offensive wiz kid, and then I say, well we already have that in Bates, supposedly, so why bring in someone like McDaniels that may fracture the team more because he wants it his way. I really think it point to either Cowher or someone like Spags, someone older that has some more experience under his belt and maybe has coached with different organizations. I wouldn’t be opposed to Haslett either, I thought he did a good job in New Orleans, but Katrina wrecked his job.
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by Broncoman on Jan 9, 2009 2:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Belichick
Belichick brought three Super Bowl titles to new England in a short amount of time. Regardless of his behavior with the media, one can’t argue with success. I trust the interview committee to look at the stregnths and weaknesses of every coach and the team and so if they feel McDaniels is the best, he must have presented intelligent ideas on defense as well.
McDaniels is young, but I was an assistant wrestling coach when I was 31 and I got hired by a head coach who was only 24. At first, I was skeptical due to his age. But once I started working with him I realized that he had “it” and he knew his stuff. He ran his program the rigth way and deserved to be the coach, even at his young age. McDaniels will prove right away whether he is ready or not when he is there with the veterans. They will either buy-in or not and age is not necessarily a factor.
by BroncoJeff on Jan 9, 2009 3:31 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Parcels has also...
Never been nearly as successful since he and Belichick parted ways.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 9, 2009 3:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff for president
You nailed it.
I’d rather take a shot on a guy who COULD BE a coaching star in the NFL than Cowher, who’s best moment was a lucky Super Bowl berth and win over an awful opponent with a lucky draft pick in Big Ben.
I just think Cowher’s totally overrated.
I always felt comfort knowing that nobody in the league could out X&O Shanny on offense and that he has the knowledge to always have a little edge on every team we played. I feel like McDaniels has that. He can out scheme and out-mis match anyone else out there and he can do it while knowing what it takes to have a championship caliber organization. I like Spags too, but I think McDaniels has MUCH better upside than anyone out there including, Cowher and Spags.
Now McDaniels will have to prove that he has thr organizational and leadership skills that Bellichek has, and that’s the hard part, but any other coach would have to prove that to me too.
Why should he be held to a different standard because his resume includes Pats assitant and an age of 32.
by super7 on Jan 9, 2009 3:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff
Since you were / are a Wrestling Coach – Can you teach the Broncos how to stretch before a game to decrease the injuries?
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by wyoeng on Jan 9, 2009 4:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not willing
to trade the identity of the broncos (which I guess is up for debate depending on your own personal fan perception of the team) for a super bowl. I do not want to win a super bowl if it requires giving in to classless play, in the vein of the Raiders, the “money for talent regardless of teamwork” Jerry Jones Cowboys, or the Cheatergate Patriots. I am a Broncos fan because of the class of players and coaches we keep, and the class of Pat Bowlen. That press conference covering Shanahan’s firing said it all to me. This is a CLASSY organization. Have we had classless people on the team in the past? Sure (ahem Romo aham) but I am not willing to sell out a proud tradition of sprotsmanship for a Lombardi trophy.
But your point about the age of the coach or the influence of one particular coach over another is well-taken. The NFL is less a coaching “Tree” than a coaching web. Each man makes his own destiny. A coach may take things he likes from others, but the style is up to the individual, not his mentor, especially since every person has MULTIPLE mentors. You won’t find a carbon-copy coach in the NFL, or a carbon copy leader anywhere. Good leaders draw upon their strengths and look to the best influences to fill in their weaknesses, thus becoming a stronger individual because of a diverse background.
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by HarvJNep2n on Jan 11, 2009 5:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
NO, i don't want a Pats assistant coach
Shanny owned NE, why would we all the sudden want one of their newest, youngest, pup!
Shanny your EGO is killing me here, why couldn’t you just say sorry Pat, I will be your head coach, go hire a GM…I am sorry, I suck at personel, sorry! Then we are all happy.
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by Steve O' on Jan 10, 2009 11:18 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Ummm...Super...I get it .....but 41-7 with Matt Cassell....and this is the first time McDanniels played us as OC!
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by boydy2669 on Jan 10, 2009 6:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
How many times do you think McDaniels called in a play and Bellicheck said...no uhuh we aren't running that and changed the play?
I wonder if that question was asked in the interview?
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by Steve O' on Jan 10, 2009 7:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That score
has less to do with McDaniels’ genius than with Slowik’s lack thereof. We made almost ANY OC look fantastic this season because of our dismal defensive coaching. You can find other examples, but please don’t use the Broncos 2008 defense to pad an offensive coordinator’s stats.
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by HarvJNep2n on Jan 11, 2009 5:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably was....wish Shanny had of asked that of Bates a bit more in games against Buffalo and Oakland!
I like that McDanniels has experience on D side too….who knows who we will get but I would love McDanneils and Capers, or even better, Morris as Asst HC and DC, with Dennison as Co OC with Bates.
Getting close my friend, and we need a decison soon as we need to start deisgning our team again!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Jan 10, 2009 8:07 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Boydy...
you should call Bowlen. I like the way you think!
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jan 11, 2009 5:16 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man....
Now the giants are done even more intrigue!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Jan 11, 2009 7:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Broncoman
Looks like you didn’t get your wish.
Time to change the avatar….
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
"tough times don't last, tough people do" - Mike "The Mastermind" Shanahan
by DesertBroncoFan on Jan 12, 2009 11:32 AM MST reply actions 0 recs




























