Does Woodshed Woodyard move DJ back to the middle?
Guys and gals I have been pondering WW ever since he started making plays for a defense that desperately needed playmakers.
WW, in my opinion should be a starter for the Broncos. I know he will work hard this offseason, add strength and bulk and hopefully show up at camp at around 240.
D.J. Williams has been a player I have followed since he was highly recruited out of De La Salle High School and then joined the Miami Hurricanes. He is, as shown by my avatar photo, one of my favorite Broncos. With that said, I really don't want to move DJ back to the middle, but I think it is best for the team. Here is my argument.
First, you shore up a position without wasting a pick on MLB this year. As a Hurricane fan, I tried and tried to root for Nate but man Nate sucks. DJ has experience at MLB and so there won't be any on the job training.
Secondly, DJ really isn't a playmaker, he is a tackling machine. My definition of playmaker is a guy who creates turnovers or produces sacks. Look as his stats
| Def Interceptions | Fumbles | Tackles | |||||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Year | Age | Tm | Pos | G | GS | Sk | Int | Yds | TD | Lng | PD | FF | Fmb | FR | Yds | TD | Tkl | Ast | Sfty |
| 2004 | 22 | DEN | RLB | 16 | 14 | 2.0 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 10 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 81 | 33 | |
| 2005 | 23 | DEN | LLB | 16 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 41 | 16 | ||
| 2006 | 24 | DEN | LLB | 16 | 15 | 1.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 59 | 17 | |
| 2007 | 25 | DEN | MLB | 16 | 16 | 1.0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 106 | 35 | |
| 2008 | 26 | DEN | 11 | 2.5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 68 | 25 | |||
| Career | 75 | 59 | 6.5 | 2 | 10 | 0 | 10 | 19 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 355 | 126 | ||||
6 forced fumbles is OK, but 6.5 sacks through 5 seasons...that isn't really good for a WLB, 2 interceptions ...not that great either. Marcus Thomas has two interceptions. So he doesn't sack the QB and doesn't have INT's but he is a great tackler and plays great sideline to sideline.
Third - If, and I know if if if, but if we change to a Tampa 2 defense he would have the ideal speed to cover the deep middle of the field.
This is a topic that we talked about before at MHR but with Shanahan's firing I wonder if the defensive philosophy changes, how that is going to effect the team.
It may be plausable that WW is weakside, DJ is Mike and then perhaps we have more flexibility in the draft to either snatch a Sam or give Winborn a chance, he did show glimpses.
The negatives and argument against -
It isn't fair to judge DJ on his stats because we have bounced him around so much he hasn't been able to craft his skill to one position.
We just can't move DJ again can we? It just isn't fair to him.
I have heard but can't prove, that he doesn't really like being the "vocal" player that most coordinators and players expect from the MLB position.
Here is what I am wondering...what do you think is best for the LB's. Draft a MLB, SLB or get a proven player like maybe Ray Lewis or Mike Peterson or Karlos Dansby in FA. Would you rather focus the resources used to aqcuire those LB's on the DLine or Safety positions by shifting DJ over and adding Woodshed?
I am curious to see what you all think.
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It's just too bad...
Until the new HC hiring and who the Defensive staff will be, we don’t know what style of D we are going to play, what type of players are going to be needed, who will stay, who will go…Everything is just up in the air for now.
Only time and hirings will tell how things unfold for us this offseason.
Mile High will NEVER Die!!!
by rynoz71 on Jan 9, 2009 5:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know
but the way I see it is whether I speculate or not, ultimately it doesn’t matter, Bowlen isn’t listening. So for me it is fun to speculate and interact with a very smart and witty fan base.
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by Steve O' on Jan 9, 2009 5:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the defense that we run
If we run a 3-4 then I think him and Woodyard would be the natural OLB, if we stick with a 4-3 I think that you have to put him back on the strong side, if he bitches about it then trade him. I am tired of hearing a professional athlete complain on where he plays, if you are getting millions of dollars, you line up where the coach tells you and play your guts out. But you nailed it on the head, Williams is not a playmaker and the weakside LB needs to be someone who forces fumbles, gets pressure on the Qb (although since they rarely blitzed him, I give him a pass on that), and generally disrupts things. I really think that either Maualuga, Spikes or Larsen will be playing the MLB next season.
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by Broncoman on Jan 9, 2009 5:29 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Broncoman
What kind of Defense do you want to run? What is the best in your opinion? And are you ever going to change Cowher? :)
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by Steve O' on Jan 9, 2009 5:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Cowher stays until we name a new head coach
I really could go either way on the defense, I think we have a bunch of players that could play either way, but I also think we need major overgauls at various positions, if we switch to a 3-4, then we need a NT, another ILB or two, safeties, and DE, I think Thomas may be good as a DE similar to Castillo at SD, but otherwise we would need another big DE.
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by Broncoman on Jan 10, 2009 12:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My solution
Battle DJ and Woodyard for the WLB spot. Either that, or move WW to safety. I want the MLB spot filled either with a guy like Dansby in FA or with a high draft pick. And if Boss can’t return as SAM, then I’d like to give Larsen a shot there. In the end, WW is a pure Will. DJ could be a good Mike, but this defence needs a leader there and I think captaincy had a negative effect on DJ this season.
by Muse_Cubed on Jan 9, 2009 5:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
that and
someone falling on his knee
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Jan 9, 2009 5:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Boss is a gonner...he is fragile
You have a great point about leadership!!!
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by Steve O' on Jan 9, 2009 5:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
:-/ I have a dilemma
I love both DJ and WW … NOOOOOOOOOO And I bought DJ’s jersey a few years back hoping it wouldnt end up like my previous bad luck RB 26 jerseys of Portis and Bell. AHHHHHH haha.
I will say the man is consistent though, and you did allude to that in the post. Leading the league in tackling before that injury is no small thing either. But, I guess you may be right in calling for a player that can be and fulfill what the position demands.
by phantom818 on Jan 9, 2009 5:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
You know I just saw that Portis' only Pro Bowl year was 2003 in Denver when rushed for 1500 plus in only 13 games
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by Steve O' on Jan 9, 2009 5:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. I miss that :)
Going back and forth over the Champ-Clinton trade never gets old haha. But ahem…back on track…hmmm….oh yes. I do believe DJ is still the best backer on this team and I think he’s proven he can play. Maybe that’s because I’m a big fan of the guy (and I also see you’ve appropriately chosen him for your avatar :)
What’s your specific opinion on the issue if you don’t mind me asking?
by phantom818 on Jan 9, 2009 6:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would try to trade DJ for a first rounder and Champ too
I would put the feelers out their for everyone on the roster save, Cutler, Marshall, Graham, Kuper, Harris and all of last years draft.
I would try to wheel and deal DJ and Champ to Seattle for their 4th pick and Lofu Tutupu. Then at 4 I take Mays and at 12 I take the best Corner. 2nd Round I get CJ Spiller, then hopefully I have extra picks to fill roster spots. If we trade Doom then go after Suggs.
In FA I would get an impact LB like Dansby and a lineman like Peppers or Suggs and a DT like Tank Johnson. I work a rotation at DT with Tank, Thomas, Powell, Peterson and Clemons and the rookies…DE I trade Moss for some new Helmets and cut Engleburger, add Peppers there.
I think if you take out DJ and Champ but add players like Peppers, Totupu, Mays, Dansby and the best corner we can get at twelve we will be better.
Was it hard? "It hurts. But tough times don’t last — tough people do. That’s life." - Mike Shanahan
by Steve O' on Jan 9, 2009 6:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good plan (and if plans like this actually worked and happened every year, teams would be much better off for it)
However, I don’t know if the Seahawks will want to trade their fourth, considering the enticing possibility of Michael Crabtree sitting there to be had at the position (and the receiving troubles of the Hawks have certainly been very well documented – add to that the fact that Engram is mid 30s and you’ve clearly got yourself a done deal). That is…IF Crabtree isn’t taken beforehand.
Also, Malcolm Jenkins is probably…okay, almost definitely the best CB in the draft. He could’ve come out last season and still gone pretty high. All sources seem to point to him going before 12 (the Packers wouldn’t dare pass him up if he fell to GB’s spot…would they?) and then, taking a CB other than Jenkins could prove a bit of a reach…I guess you’d have Vontae Davis, D.J. Moore, Victor “Macho” Harris and a couple other guys. There’s certainly a few possible top-tier DTs, LBs, and/or DEs (depending on where you consider Peppers at this point in time) for the Broncos to possibly bring into camp. We’ll see what Bowlen does…of course, he first has to pen up a new head coach…then he can get to work, which will certainly be quite a relief.
I will say though, I think free agency presents a MUCH BIGGER opportunity this season for the Broncos than the guys out there and brought in last season. We’ll see what happens after the playoffs with some of these players and teams.
by phantom818 on Jan 9, 2009 6:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it's Friday night and I may have gotten carried away!
I think I would try my best to trade players for the highest picks possible.
With 32 million in est. cap space and couple that with some salary money you could save. If you think about it, all the low prized young guys out played the high priced vets. So trade some vets, and we could have a lot of money to play with. So trade often and get about 5 picks in the first 3 rounds…
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by Steve O' on Jan 9, 2009 6:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha understandable =) Gotta love the weekend
Also, it’s hard to try and put upon someone to devise a strategy, especially at this point in time…considering the team hasn’t even named its head coach yet and we haven’t seen what will happen with all the possible free agents out there. I’m sure Free Agency will help dictate the draft/trade plans in the off-season should there be any (that statement brought to you by Captain Obvious!).
Seriously though, good stuff considering its the weekend. You make a good point with cap space. It’s unfortunate, but I’m gonna make myself wait until a new HC comes in to begin speculating. We could and probably should see a MUCH different Bronco team on the field next season…scratch that…a different DEFENSIVE unit. I sure hope to see personnel improvements coming in along with the new DC. So many possibilities to improve, and with a season like Denver just had, the only way to go on D is probably up.
by phantom818 on Jan 9, 2009 6:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This sort of thing is fun to make up but,
it simply isn’t possible. Even if you could get the Seahawks to make those trades and get those picks it’s not feasible. If you trade Champ and DJ (who just signed a big new contract), you have their signing bonuses against the cap, PLUS a contract for Tatupu, PLUS contracts for the 4th and 12th picks. Salary cap hell and the team gets worse instead of better.
Personally I’d rather try and trade down in the first round and take the BAP on defensive in the late teens or early twenties and pick up a couple of later round picks.
by jaffe28 on Jan 11, 2009 1:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Jaffe, I agree the Seattle trade thing was all in fun...I wasn't really serious
I also agree about maybe trading down…With Nalen retiring we will have about 35 to 36 million to play with this offseason, so that means we could be a real player in FA and the Draft if we wanted to.
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by Steve O' on Jan 11, 2009 2:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
A few Points
1. Your statistics are misleading – they are as much a reflection of the systems run & DJ’s role in those systems as they are his abilities. After Champ, he is the most natural athlete on the team. He was a terror his rookie season at Will, 2nd in DROY. Then someone in the organization had a brain fart and brought back Ian Gold to play Will, shifting DJ to Sam. Now his role was to cover TE’s more than rush passers. He still did well. Then the shift to Mike and the Bates/Slowik experiments. I’ll bet DJ is looking forward to a new DC even more than we are.
2. Before you can answer where to play WW and DJ, you have to answer what defense are we playing?
- Are we going to be a 3-4 and if so, Fairbanks or Phillips?
- Or are we still 4-3 and are we going to play Tampa-2, go back to show-blitz, zone-blitz, or an Eagles/Giants
type pressure defense?
Each system has different roles for the different positions. You can’t really answer where a player should
play, until you know what role he should play first.
3. I disagree with the view that DJ is not a play-maker (I’m interested in HT’s view on this). That hasn’t been the role asked of him, but when it was he was brilliant at it.
4. WW is probably only effective on the weak side. He’s too slow and stiff in the hips to play safety and I think he’s best at run stopping when he’s chasing the play down from behind instead of having it come right at him. DJ, on the other hand, has shown that he can play damn near anywhere we put him.
5. With the growing trend towards 2TE sets, TE shifts, and H-backs, I think the distinction between Sam and Will is starting to blurr.
6. The key is to find the combination of LBs that gives you the bast defense. The Ravens let Thomas go because, even though he was a great LB, they didn’t feel he fit in their scheme with the other LBs they had. So, assuming we stick with a fairly standard 4-3, with the current players I like DJ at Sam, Larson at Mike, WW at Will, with Winborn available for depth. However, that could change dramatically based on who we could draft or sign through FA. I could see WW being used in a situational role instead of starting depending on who else we have.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 9, 2009 6:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying to mislead with statistics...they are just his statistics
I agree with you about his role and him bouncing around and even mentioned some of that in the post.
I know nothing is decided yet, that is why I am asking what everybody wants.
When he was WLB he had 4.5 sacks in two years, and one ff. Joey Porter is a WLB playmaker in the 4-3. DJ runs them down and tackles people.
I agree about the trend of offense play is negating the difference between Will and Sam
Your last comment was spot on!
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by Steve O' on Jan 9, 2009 6:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean...
to imply that YOU were misleading, just the numbers.
This is a topic at least in the back of our mind, if not at the front. Whoever the new DC is, he won’t come in with a bank slate. He’s going to have to make the most with the players he has to work with. Bates already showed us how dumb it is to ditch the players you’ve already got just because they don’t fit your preferred system. That’s why I like guys like Spags and Frazier; they’ve proved they can take an existing group and get them to play at a high level.
Good job articulating something we’ve all been thinking about.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 9, 2009 6:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Great comment SlowWhiteGuy
This is worthy of being it’s own post. In my thought ,I believe we should stop trying to acquire talent to match our scheme or system. Instead, we should be using a scheme or system that takes the most advantage of the talent we do have. And we do have some. As you point out, DJ, WW, Chanp, Bly (did I just say that?), DOOM, Robertson and Thomas are all players we can plan around. Some might be role or situational players (Robertson) but I haven’t seen much of a philosophy of utilizing the talent we do have. Just a thought. Great comments by all on this thread including Steve, phantom ,et al.
It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08
by firstfan on Jan 9, 2009 7:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for your input FirstFan,
I bounce around often in my thinking…I guess I am just anxious to get going with the offseason stuff.
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by Steve O' on Jan 9, 2009 8:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Talent and Bly in the same sentence? SAY WHAT? haha.
Good thinking. A scheme that fits the players we have would be great, but that wouldn’t leave much room for all the fun speculating we get to do during the off-season as to who to sign or draft, would it? Like I said, I’m a DJ and WW fan and this Denver defense does actually have talent (unfortunately though, try saying that to someone who roots for a team other than the Broncos and you may be met with tons of laughs if you aren’t prepared to back yourself up). I don’t think a new face or two could hurt, because I really think there are some guys who really aren’t up to snuff. However, you’re right, it’s probably time to stop experimenting already and give DJ Williams a place to develop. Maybe try working around him instead of trying to plug and play all over the place? It’d be nice to have some stability for once (the stability everyone hopes to see on the offense in the next few seasons).
by phantom818 on Jan 9, 2009 9:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think maybe I should have structured the post into more a question than opinion
I really want to know what everyone wants.
What is the best type of defense for Denver Fans?
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by Steve O' on Jan 9, 2009 6:52 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Since you asked...
I think the ideal defense for Denver depends on what type of offense we’re going to run. I like high intensity, pressure, defenses. But it’s difficult to couple them with quick-strike pass oriented offenses. The O just doesn’t control the ball long enough for the D to get catch their breath, suck down some gatorade, and collect their thought. Eventually the defense tires, the pressure drops off and suddenly the other team is moving the ball at will. While I don’t like lower pressure, bend but don’t break, defense they are better suited to team that don’t rack up ToP. So, is Denver going to be a pass happy spread O, or are we going back to run first, ToP, offense that can still strike from anywhere?
The other issue is the personnel we have. There’s been a lot of talk about Tampa-2 lately. The T-2 requires mobile LBs, which we have, good safeties, Oh-no, and a D-line that can generate pressure without a lot of blitzing; strike two. Also, CBs in a T-2 have to be good tacklers, but not necessarily good cover guys. Champ can play anything, but that doesn’t sound like Bly to me. Doesn’t sound to me like T-2 is a good fit.
There’s the Eagles/Giants style of high-pressure defense. It’s typical in many ways, but relies on stiff run support and pressure to keep the CBs from being exposed. It requires good cover CBs (that’s a plus), run stopping linebackes, especially Mike (thats a ?-mark), and a run stuffing D-line. Doesn’t sound like a particular fit to me either.
The defense I think suits the player we have, assuming we go back to more of a ball control offense, is some sort of zone-blitz scheme like Blitzburg uses. The advantages of this high-pressure system are that it makes use of highly versatile lineman since they may be called upon to drop into pass coverage. Thomas got his pick from a zone blitz this year. Imagine Moss lined up at end, the full back scope him out to chip on his way out for a pass, but after the snap Moss doesn’t rush; he drops into coverage and the fullback misses WW on a stunt with Thomas. That’s a zone blitz. It requires versatility at every position but is very good at covering up weakness on the field. The DC can play to the strength of the defense and into the weakness of the offense; dictating the flow.
At any rate, that’s my 2 cents worth.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jan 9, 2009 8:40 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Very solid and exactly what I was looking for
I like the Eagles model. I have always been of the creed that the best defense is a good offense so act, don’t react.
One other thing that bugs me is this “undersized” crap. One reason I was intially sold on Mauluga was his size, I want to get more stout. I have always believed the main reason for our consistant end of the year collapses is due to these undersized players wearing out. When in week 9 -10 when the pains start adding up, the speed advantage diminishes, now your just a lighter man getting pushed around. I don’t like it.
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by Steve O' on Jan 9, 2009 9:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the undersized thing
Speed defenses work much better in college where teams have much more depth and the ability to dress more players (and a shorter season) so they can rotate players and everyone stays fresh. I do think there is a place for a few undersized players to fit in, but there also needs to be a certain amount of bulk.
We are not getting to Al Davis and the Raiders territory yet, but Denver has been overvaluing speed. I think Nate Webster is a good example of that. He was definietly faster than Niko or Larsen, but that speed is counterproductive if he over runs the play or goes to the wrong hole. I would rather have a LB consistently making tackles in his gap for a three yard game than one who makes four tackles in his gap at the line of scrimmage but misses his gap on the fifth play and allows a twenty yard gain. And obviously I’d prefer the guy who hits the correct gap hard and fast on every play.
by MattR on Jan 10, 2009 1:35 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think your on to something with the speed at LB angle
Didn’t seem that Hagan, who is the slowest out of all of them, was the best at “glogging” the holes.
I don’t know..?
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by Steve O' on Jan 10, 2009 10:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve
Interesting point. It will depend on the type of d we end up playing, but I thought that Larsen was about equal to Haggan on that point. Thoughts?
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by Emmett Smith on Jan 10, 2009 12:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Haggan had edge in experience at it showed...Larson plays with heart and that shows too
both are good flowing to the ball but Haggan seemed to know where the play was headed quicker and that second of reaction and decision making. Larson may benefit greatly from not only a year of LB under his belt but also some fullback training that will help him learn what opposing LB’s do that is effective. He may make big strides in 09.
Slow is smooth and smooth is fast
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by Steve O' on Jan 10, 2009 3:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Repetions
Not moving him back and forth would probably help too. You can’t get comfortable when you don’t know what position you’ll play on Sunday
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by Emmett Smith on Jan 10, 2009 3:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
DJ would probably hate it
but id move him back. he played well there. plus, WW is a stud
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by broncoboy on Jan 9, 2009 10:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
A possible role for Woodyard...
I think he’d be a great fit in the “Big Nickel” role which I’d love to see us bring back. We still have to face Zach Miller and Antonio Gates twice a year, and if he’s not a starter, that’s one of the ways we can make use of him in the meantime.
by Muse_Cubed on Jan 10, 2009 12:21 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I like that
Given that approach, how would you use Barrett, who had such success against Gonzales, in that formation?
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by Emmett Smith on Jan 10, 2009 12:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about it...
That Barrett would also be a great option there (if we can field two passable safeties). But say we lined up Barrett and Woodyard on the strong side…we could potentially put out some devastating blitz packages with either the big nickel or the SS with the other covering the TE. Considering how much speed they both have, especially if the TE for the opposing team is the QB’s safety valve, it could be a good platform for generating pressure.
by Muse_Cubed on Jan 10, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would currently use Barrett in that formation as well, for now.
I remember vs KC when Champ first came to Denver, he covered Gonzales and it worked wonderfully. I think Tony has a problem with athletic speed guys. He is so strong that he is always in great position to catch the ball so the guys who seem to have the most success are guys who have recovery speed. Once a big TE pushes off and gets space you need a guy who is quick enough to recover. A LB is strong enough to handle the push off but too slow to recover. A LB you ,would think, would be Gonzales and Gates favorite matchup a weak corner next. The best way to defend it would be a Taylor Mays type of athlete who is fast enough to recover and strong enough to not get pushed around and one who can hit hard enough to jar away balls over the middle.
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by Steve O' on Jan 10, 2009 3:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Barrett did it well this year
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by Emmett Smith on Jan 10, 2009 4:00 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
yes he did show he can cover...he just needs to learn to control his speed when crashing the line and clog the right lane
blowing up ball catchers over the middle wouldn’t hurt either
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by Steve O' on Jan 10, 2009 4:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

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