Horse Tracks 10/12/09 - The 2009 Denver Broncos are 5-0. Yesterday was not a dream.
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 12, 2009 6:08 AM MDT
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That was a "Wow" win and an eye-opener, even for me. There were so many points during yesterday's game at which prior Broncos teams would have folded. After those ST penalties, after letting Brady get the ball back late in the 4th quarter of a tied game, after trailing by 10 points at halftime - those were all moments where I thought the Broncos were toast. But this team is different. They are the best-coached Broncos team I have ever seen. No, of course they don't have the talent of the '97 and '98 teams; but this team is so well-prepared and they get better after halftime, every week. Mike Nolan's defense has allowed 7 second-half points all year - the late TD to Cincy. That's it. Anyone want to tell me Kyle Orton doesn't have what it takes? Guy is 5-0 with a 97.4 QB rating. The glove came off yesterday, and how many throws did you see him miss yesterday? Folks, the Denver Broncos are 5-0 with a 2.5-game lead in the division. A win next Monday in San Diego would basically be a 4-game lead...
DB - Patriots Postgame: Report - Broncos TV
This guy BDawk - you think he's got enough energy and enthusiasm?
NFL - Broncos 20, Patriots 17 - Video Highlights
Highlights with radio calls. I'm going to watch this about 15 times today...
DB - Patriots Postgame: McDaniels - Broncos TV
DB - Patriots Postgame: Orton - Broncos TV
DB - Patriots Postgame: Marshall - Broncos TV
Gotta watch this just to see Rod Smith come by and yell "How bout them Broncos!"
NFL - New England Patriots 17 at Denver Broncos 20 - Box Score
DPP - Broncos improve to 5-0 with overtime thriller - Mike Klis
DPP - Orton plays his best game as a Bronco - Lindsay Jones
DPP - Analysis: Broncos defense doing its job - Jeff Legwold
DPP - Wild-horse formation or not, Moreno shows he's a stallion - Mike Klis
DPP - Briefs: Prater's winner an icebreaker in young NFL career
Tony Scheffler injured his back or hip yesterday and did not play much in the second half; Brandon Stokley saw limited snaps.
DPP - Bests & Worsts: Broncos vs. Patriots - Lindsay Jones
DPP - Kiszla: Marshall learned scoring move from Rod Smith
"It's so crazy, and I'm going to make sure I remind him of this," Smith said. "That touchdown (Marshall) scored, the way he came off the ball at the snap, the way he stopped on the route, is the exact same thing me and him worked on while he was suspended, when nobody was looking."
DPP - Paige: Broncos fashion way to sock Pats
"In the postgame news conference, the first utterance by McDaniels was to address some idiot. "You picked us to win four, didn't you?" That idiot would be me. I was wrong."
CSG - Broncos' defense buckles down in second half - Frank Schwab
CSG - Broncos are sitting pretty at 5-0 - Frank Schwab
CSG - Broncos notes: Royal appearance - Frank Schwab
CSG - McDaniels giving himself, fans of Broncos a reason to smile - David Ramsey
"What nearly all of us missed was McDaniels expertise as a football architect. And I’m at the front of the line of the oblivious observers."
CBS - Broncos' surprising start defies expectations and then some - Lee Rasizer
DB - Hard-Fought 5-0 - Gray Caldwell
DB - Coming Through in the Clutch - Zach Eisendrath
NFL GameDay - Patriots vs. Broncos highlights - Video
Eisen, Mooch and Deion
NFLN - Sunday Sit Down: Brandon Marshall - Video, Part 1
NFLN - Sunday Sit Down: Brandon Marshall - Video, Part 2
NFL - Perfect protege: McDaniels' insight helps his new team beat old one - Vic Carucci
SI - Kyle Orton, Josh McDaniels making believers out of Broncos, NFL fans - Peter King
"Kyle Orton is good. Josh McDaniels is a genius. A pretty emotional one, as it turns out."
FOX - Denver's new winning ways start with McDaniels - Alex Marvez
ESPN - McDaniels, Broncos mile-high after win - Gene Wojciechowski
"Unlike the great Eric Mangini-Belichick cold-shoulder-fest, it seems the Patriots (and Belichick) still have a soft spot for McDaniels. If not, they deserve acting awards for the way they greeted him at the team buses."
ESPN - Orton emerges as calm, victorious leader - Bill Williamson
SN - McDaniels has Broncos playing with confidence - Clifton Brown
Y! - McDaniels offers refreshing show of enthusiasm - Charles Robinson
"And Kyle Orton? His numbers through five games, factored along with the undefeated start, have to put him in the league’s top 10 quarterback conversation. Unthinkable, but true."
SN - Week 5 Checkdown: Broncos, Bengals are no flukes - Vinnie Iyer
AP - Josh McDaniels Beats Mentor In OT Thriller - Eddie Pells
Patriots News
NEP - Bill Belichick Postgame Presser Audio
BG - Student uprising - Michael Vega
BG - Broncos coach McDaniels relishes special win - Theresa Smith
BG - Extra Points - New England Patriots News and Analysis
BG - Denver doldrums continue for the Patriots - Christopher Gasper
BG - Gostkowski kicking himself over field goal miss - Michael Whitmer
BG - Meriweather finds out that talk isn’t cheap - Michael Whitmer
BH - Patriots’ OT defeat proves to be chilling reminder - Ian Rapoport
BH - Matt Light injury hefty loss - Ian Rapoport
BH - Can’t spell ‘outplayed’ without ‘D’ - Ron Borges
BH - Broncos pen in Tom Brady - Lynn DeBruin
BH - Jerod Mayo makes impact in limited return - Lynn DeBruin
BH - Josh McDaniels masters Bill Belichick - Karen Guregian
BH - The best and the worst of yesterday’s game - Ron Borges
NFL Results
NFL - Dallas Cowboys 26 at Kansas City Chiefs 20
NFL - Oakland Raiders 7 at New York Giants 44
NFL - Cincinnati Bengals 17 at Baltimore Ravens 14
NFL - Cleveland Browns 6 at Buffalo Bills 3
NFL - Washington Redskins 17 at Carolina Panthers 20
NFL - Pittsburgh Steelers 28 at Detroit Lions 20
NFL - Tampa Bay Buccaneers 14 at Philadelphia Eagles 33
NFL - Minnesota Vikings 38 at St. Louis Rams 10
NFL - Atlanta Falcons 45 at San Francisco 49ers 10
NFL - Houston Texans 21 at Arizona Cardinals 28
NFL - Jacksonville Jaguars 0 at Seattle Seahawks 41
NFL - Indianapolis Colts 31 at Tennessee Titans 9
AFC West News
KCS - Chiefs let one slip away in 26-20 OT loss to Cowboys - Adam Teicher
KCS - Chiefs don’t have talent to pull off upset of Cowboys - Jason Whitlock
KCS - Cassel offers KC a glimpse of QB it traded for - Kent Babb
SFC - Defense simply overmatched - David White
OT - Peterson: For Raiders, it's never been so bleak
NFL Opinion
SI - The surprising Bengals, Ravens' problems, more - Don Banks
"All of us who smugly predicted gloom and doom in Denver this season owe the Broncos and rookie head coach Josh McDaniels a super-sized mea culpa. That was a belief-inducing win over the Patriots on Sunday, and if there are any Broncos doubters at this point, they're a rapidly dwindling group."
NFP - Sunday rewind: Week 5 - Matt Bowen
"If you didn’t believe in this Broncos team before, now is a good time to start."
CBS - Week 5 Judgements: Look no further because McNabb's the man - Clark Judge
"It's a one-game season, with the Chargers absolutely, positively having to win next Monday's showdown with Denver at the Q. If they don't, the AFC West race ... if you want to call it that ... is over."
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pinch me
I haven’t been this happy with my Broncos for a long time. Let me officially say…
Watching Josh McD (coming from one who called him McDumb-ass many times) celebrate with the crowd yesterday ….I fell in love with him!! I give!! He IS all that.
I’ll refrain from all criticism and welcome all ‘told you so’s’ !!
Go Broncos!!
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 12, 2009 6:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No told you so's Whidbey...
Welcome back on the bus, now have some Koolaid and hold on to your hat…. it’s going to be one hell of a ride!
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Oct 12, 2009 6:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you sure you don't want to reserve judgment
until we go up against SD on Monday night after their bye with a chance to hand them a losing record?
Come to think of it, that’s a great time to start supporting our HC! ; )
Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.
by broncosmontana on Oct 12, 2009 6:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great to have you back, WB!
Let’s go bring the rest of the doubters back home. This team could be something special for a while!
by BroncosBassist on Oct 12, 2009 7:00 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Crow tastes like Maine lobster when your 5-0.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 7:26 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
HAHAHA....touche McG!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2009 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a pretty tall guy and I enjoy punching holes in my ceiling from celebration jumps than punching holes in my wall in disgust.
This season has been very fun thus far. We seem to have answers to most of our problems. My hope is Payton Hillis is the answer to our short yardage running struggles. Other than that and punt return, there are no noticeable flaws in our team.
However, we better practice defending the screen pass. We’ve been stung by several in the past few games and San Diego is best in the league with hitting screens for monster plays.
Clady is a Hall of Fame talent. I can’t believe he doesn’t get more press. He is the kind of guy that you build a franchise around. Shanahan gave us a great going away present when he drafted Clady and Royal in his last draft.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we adjusted well to screens
against the Cowboys. And the Pats only hit the one on us for significant yardage yesterday. But yeah, those edge plays can be the achilles heel of this defense — and Sproles is not someone I want to see in open space.
by JeffG on Oct 12, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impressed!!!!
I am somewhat in the same boat WB. I missed the last 5 min of the game and overtime. My brother was texting me the updates and he said McD was going nuts at the end and loved it. If Orton keeps this up it will give us all reason to cheer. He finally looked comfortable. None to soon…..
I am from San Diego and can’t wait for this one. I got hundreds of messages from them last year from my SD peeps were giving me a rash. I told them it to enjoy it because another decade of mediocrity is right around the corner so let’s start that earlier than expected!!!!!!
by yallas on Oct 12, 2009 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love your style Whidbey...we all had our opinions mate...but welcome back my friend!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2009 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Worries Man
When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
by Kfustud on Oct 12, 2009 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Criticism
MHR was an oasis of reason for me during the offseason. There was so much unfounded negativism by “fans” spurred on by fraudulent and disingenuous journalists. I do not want that atmosphere of reason to change here at MHR to one of unfounded exuberance. It should still be a place where all opinions, whether negatively critical or positive, can be expressed within the bounds of civil discourse. What I am saying, Whidbey, is do NOT refrain from all criticism when warranted.
by Endzone on Oct 12, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome home to Bronco Nation!!!!!!!
Slowly but surely bringing us back together as a whole…….lets go Broncos!!!
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein
by Disturbed70 on Oct 12, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
woohoo!
what a great game, I was just hoping for a good showing and to keep it close, but this Broncos team is playing some great ball…
and Orton looked really good also
by PortlandOrange on Oct 12, 2009 6:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
That was the most impressive and intelligent interview I’ve seen from Marshall. (The NFL Network interview). It rose a lump in my throat.
by BroncoFanInLakewood on Oct 12, 2009 6:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You know NYC
I’m starting to rethink the idea that this team doesn’t have the talent of 97 and 98. Well, 97 anyway. ; ) These guys are playing in a system that is designed for them, and they are getting good fast. No there’s no Elway and no TD, but I like our D a LOT next to those teams.
Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.
by broncosmontana on Oct 12, 2009 6:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Morning nyc, and Thank You Denver Broncos... Yaaa....
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Oct 12, 2009 6:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Exciting
This has to be my favorite Broncos team to watch in years!!!
Tough D!!!
Timely O!!
And most of all amazing effort!!!
by Speespee on Oct 12, 2009 7:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
B Marsh
As one who thought (hoped?) we’d be fine without Marshall, there’s no question that we’re much better with him.
From week one, I think most of us would say we’ve seen potential in the new offense, but yesterday was THE DAY when I felt like the offense could go out there and win the game. What a joy to see KO’s healing, Moreno’s maturing, and Marshall’s return all contribute to such a great win.
I’m right here with you nyc on this: “…those were all moments where I thought the Broncos were toast. But this team is different.” What a cool game (and cool that it was national so many of us outlanders could see it live)!
Now I’m looking forward to a beatdown on the Dolts. They are still a tough veteran team, but I really have faith that our coaches will have the Broncos well-preapred. Nothing is for granted, and 5 wins won’t get you to the playoffs any more than 4. 6-0 at the Bye would be incredible, though!
by MakeCents on Oct 12, 2009 7:16 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Elvis, please crush Rivers...
What a great win. Good point about the special team fiascos. The D really stepped up (per their 2009 usual). It seemed like we forced 5 punts on that drive.
For all of you that said Denver should cut BM or trade him for cents on the dollar, shame on you.
For all of me that said McDaniels blew it by trading Cutler, shame on me. This Bronco team is muy bueno (expect short yardage running and ST return).
Man would I love to see Denver kick San Diego’s teeth in next Monday night.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 7:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point on short yardage situations...
I’m looking for more passes in the future, our o-line while the best in the league at pass protection just isn’t built to be road graders.
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Oct 12, 2009 7:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit
I accused Marshall of being over-rated, of abusing weak defenses and disappearing against good ones. The last three weeks he has proved himself against good defense. Three weeks ago he abused Asamuoga on a 4th down catch to salt away the game. Then last week he abuses Newman on the catch then embarrasses the entire Dallas secondary on the run. Finally, yesterday he proved that he is a red zone weapon.
welcome back B-Marsh.
BTW: that was an awesome interview by Irving and man am I glad we have Dawkins!
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 12, 2009 7:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall WAS overrated
He didn’t play like this the last three years. Drops are down. His routes are more precise. He’s money in the red zone. And he does things like run halfway down the field to swat down tipped balls.
The dude had 5 TD receptions all of last year. He now has four in his last three games. Same body, different dude.
by Chibronx on Oct 12, 2009 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
That swat was something I never would have expected out of BMarsh. Tremendous hustle – thanks for pointing that play out, CB – I had forgotten about that play in the euphoria of five and oh
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 12, 2009 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In BM's defense...
On the field he has MOSTLY given a 100%. He has always been a good down field blocker, but it was one HELL of a play and showed some hustle and passion!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2009 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you expect?
He’s practiced the swat before. McD thinks of everything…. ;O)
by legendarywalton on Oct 12, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche LW...mayve thats what he was practicing when he got suspended!!!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2009 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 12, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you SWG....I saw him as a glorified possession WR with MAD upside...
He is now one of the Top 5 WR in the NFL. A happy beast is destroying and man handling GOOD corners.
I am stoked to be wrong on this one, and I love Brandon’s honesty and his worth of team.
WELCOME BACK BIG BOY!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2009 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take the "Shame on you" McGeorge
and I’ve already admitted to the fact that Marshall is on the right path twice now. I still an not ready to pay him, but I will and have been rooting for the guy. When the front office decides to give him his money, then it will be over for me.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
Breaking jaws or the NFL in Oakland who cares? Fall on your pirate’s sword - Ponderosa
by KaptainKirk on Oct 12, 2009 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On short yardage
I’ve been puzzled the last couple weeks to not see the QB sneak. Especially yesterday on 3rd and inches. Orton’s a big guy; I don’t see why he shouldn’t be able to get those little first downs…
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 12, 2009 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps they're fearing an injury?
"I believed it, until it made sense. Then things changed."
by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 12, 2009 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can’t figure out how to obtain a 1st down on 3rd or 4th and mere inches, this will come back to haunt us at some point this season, likely several some points this season.
Our return game is a total mess, but the short yardage running is our biggest weakness.
I know several were complimentary of all the preseason passing we did in goal to go situations, but Denver has struggled for a good long while in short yardage running and I really wish we practiced this more in preseason. We look terrible on these plays (missed blocking assignments galore, allowing deep penetration, etc). It’s hurting us right now. Besides, BM is the most logical red zone WR we got and we didn’t even have him in preseason.
We need Hillis to work his way out of the doghouse and become a short yardage chain mover/TD scorer.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect we practiced it....
it just ain’t working (yet, I hope). I am not sure Hillis has the initial burst of power inhis first two steps it takes to do this particular job, he seems to be best when he has 3 to 4 steps to really get a head of steam. Seems like the play-calling needs to change, though…..we’ve already proved we can’t do it the way we’re trying to do it. Maybe Larsen is the answer we need for the blocking back. BTW, has anybody found out what he did to that shoulder… a severely torn rotator cuff or such could really cost him most of the season.
by idahobronc on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is we see Larsen after the bye.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
O-line just can't get the push
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Oct 12, 2009 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd and 5 inches is a QB sneak down. Must be done.
Or maybe we need to active Olsen and sub him in for Hamilton on short yardage running plays. Ben is playing is last season in Denver. He is getting blown to pieces on most of these running plays.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah McG...Hamilton was BEYOND disappointing on short yardage blocking yesterday...
He got blown up 3 or 4 times and pushed back into our running backs. I was not too stoked on Moreno’s play in short yardage, but looking at highlights he NEVER had a chance.
My other though….why consistently run between the tackles on short yardage….every team knows it coming. I would like to see something off tackle that gives Moreno a chance to react.
Hillis needs back in. I would even think Jordan is a better option….Jordan running behind Hillis maybe?
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2009 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In his defense...
Wasn’t he going up against Wilfork in a lot of those situations? I need to rewatch, so I might be off there. There’s very few men in this league that can withstand his bullrush in short yardage situations.
by legendarywalton on Oct 12, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes you wonder why we are running at Wilfork on short yardage and not off tackle.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it does.
We need a whole new strategy on short yardage running. What we have been trying has failed just about every time. No more running behind Hamilton in these situations. Orton needs to QB sneak on these 3rd/4th an inches plays. I can’t remember any QBs getting injured on a QB sneak so that should not be a reason why we keep handing the ball off to the RBs when all we need is an ulgy 8 inches on a QB sneak.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy we didn't try a sneak
That big gorilla Wilfork might have sat on KO and put him out for the year. I would like to see McD spread things out in short yardage. you can still run out of the gun and have the flexibility to pass.
by rocko1 on Oct 12, 2009 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry McG,
I should have read farther before my response above.
by idahobronc on Oct 12, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I’d rather see a Wild Horse direct snap Moreno sneak.
He’ll get more push than Orton and if he can break that line its almost always a TD. That way if Orton spots something in the D he can change the play.
I love our offensive scheme.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
by ChristianL on Oct 12, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilfork v Wiegman
It was usually Wiegman not stopping Wilfork, not Hamilton.
by Endzone on Oct 12, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Hamilton that got creamed on the 3rd down running play where Moreno got stuffed for a loss. Wilfork pancaked Ben.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brady
Is very good at quick count sneaks. Orton needs to learn that skill.
by JeffG on Oct 12, 2009 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's tough enough to do it, no that the glove is off
Or perhaps, the “gloves are off”?
by idahobronc on Oct 12, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton and Weigmann are the weak links on the offense
If they spend a 2nd or even a first on an interior OL next year, I’ll be quite happy.
by Chibronx on Oct 12, 2009 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 1st rounder on the D-line and a 2nd rounder on Kris O’Dowd of USC (he is a center).
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I think Baker steps in next year so we could forgo a 1st round D-Line and get a, uh, um….
Wait what do we need? Maybe a successor for Andra and DJ to groom at the ILB? Our another strong CB to groom? I think we have our next crop of safeties. Don’t need an RB, QB, TE, FB, or WR. Not in dire need of any OL help (I think our back ups will fill in nicely).
I guess you’re right on the D-Line unless Baker really steps up in the next season.
This is extremely eye opening for me. Look at our roster. Look at the depth we have. Wow.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
by ChristianL on Oct 12, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Baker and Fields for now.
But we can do better at both DE spots. McBean and Peterson have done much better than expected, but the truth is we could still do better. A great 5 tech would be awesome.
If we are picking late enough in round 1, you can justify taking a OG or C, but I still say we go for best D-lineman (so long as the value is right).
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the exact way I see it, too. By all accounts, Baker is exactly the kind of player you want in the pipeline. Great size, tremendous athleticism, working hard, responding to coaching. Peterson and McBean are playing within themselves and I admire them much for it. They’re solid, but a better way to win consistently is with difference-makers in the trenches.
by Chibronx on Oct 12, 2009 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bronx, McG
I see what you’re saying.
What current NFL player would best represent the prototype you think would fit? A Justin Tuck type?
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
by ChristianL on Oct 12, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Tuck. He’s a pass-rusher. I’d think more Chris Canty when he was with the Cowboys, or Shaun Ellis or Aaron Smith. Richard Seymour was the gold standard in a 30-front, but he’s a distracting archetype because he rushed the passer, too. That’s, like, awesome if you can get it, but unreasonable to expect.
by Chibronx on Oct 12, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too Early
It is too early for me to talk about next year’s draft when we have Polumbus, Gorin and Olsen still learning and the team is 5-0. But yes. Hamilton & Wiegman are closer to the end of their playing careers than to their beginnings.
by Endzone on Oct 12, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those of us that love the draft, it’s never too early to discuss.
Seattle fans are beside themselves with Denver’s success. They were already deciding whom they’d pick in the Top 5 with our pick. It’s fun to read their reaction to our season. I make a weekly trip to their website to enjoy.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noted...
For a great afternoon laugh.
by legendarywalton on Oct 12, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
Breaking jaws or the NFL in Oakland who cares? Fall on your pirate’s sword - Ponderosa
by KaptainKirk on Oct 12, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too, but
it was a bummer having to wait so long to be allowed to post.
by idahobronc on Oct 12, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a mixed bag..
While not strong enough to provide the short yardage push we need sometimes they’re also a big part of the reason Orton has so much time to throw. They are both excellent pass blockers and rarely miss making the right read on picking up blitzes. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to draft a G and / or C next year, I’d prefer we pickup a stud FA who can step in quickly both Hamilton and Weigman are getting close to retirement. If this year continues on track were going to have a lot more leverage in attracting the better FA’s. I’m not saying the “big name” FA’s but the FA’s that McD scouts and brings in for “fit”.
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Oct 12, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not happening.
There will be no stud FA pickups in 2010.
Off the top of my head… we have to resign: BM, Elvis, Kuper, Orton and Scheff. This will be the most expensive offseason in Bowlen’s ownership of Denver. BM and Elvis will each command huge pay increases. If Orton continues to play well, he will be as expensive as those two. Even Kuper won’t be cheap. We may want to trade Scheff next week because I don’t see how we resign him.
Good year not to have a salary cap though.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Good year not to have a salary cap though."
Yes. Let’s hope that Shanahan gets a job next year – that will save the Broncos a lot of money.
Wrote Great in the sand a thousand times. Forgot about dying and went on home.
by bradley on Oct 12, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we'll get lucky
…and the Redskins will come calling him later THIS year. :-)
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike will be coaching the Dallas Cowboys in 2010.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
I’d hate to see Scheff go, but picking up a late 2nd or early 3rd for him would be worth it.
Only way I can see everyone staying is if we win it all. And even now that is a pipe dream. But expect the unexpected from McD and X.
This is a new Denver team. We may see some veterans get traded for draft picks. Who knows?
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
by ChristianL on Oct 12, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There you go being all definitive again
and just when I was starting to like you :) With no cap and the prospect of taking this team to the next level (if we don’t get there this year of course) I look for McD to bring in a couple of sleeper FA’s that aren’t too pricey but still upgrade the team.
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Oct 12, 2009 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to Trade Him
with his attitude. I never foresaw Dawkins kicking him and getting him motivated and buying into the team. Now it looks like the sky is the limit. He is going to be coached into the best WR in the league.
I foresee a Big Payday in his future after his hard work and dedication. Just the way it should be.
When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
by Kfustud on Oct 12, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, NYC.
What a game.
"I believed it, until it made sense. Then things changed."
by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 12, 2009 7:30 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks NYC,
Feels good to be Bronco fan, I could hardly sleep last night. Orton looked great, can’t say enough about Marshall, Royal’s back, this list could go on all day.
Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009
by diviesti on Oct 12, 2009 7:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone notice?
I didn’t even realize the “UFL” started up this week. Old friends Tatum Bell and Michael Pittman are rushing for the Orlando Tuskers.
by MakeCents on Oct 12, 2009 7:34 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Tried to watch that game on saturday...
It was better than watching my beloved buffs, but it’s a really crappy product. You can only rush 5 and need four down linemen on defense. Baffling. Lots of washed up NFL talent on display, including former Bronco Simeon Rice.
by legendarywalton on Oct 12, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Nyc
That was an exciting game to watch in person. An excellent Birthday gift!
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
Breaking jaws or the NFL in Oakland who cares? Fall on your pirate’s sword - Ponderosa
by KaptainKirk on Oct 12, 2009 7:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow! Wish I was there. Belated Happy Bday, Kirk!
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 12, 2009 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy Birthday, Kirk!
(Sorry I’m a little late :p )
"I believed it, until it made sense. Then things changed."
by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 12, 2009 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEAH KK....happy birthday and STOKED you had this game as a present.....awesome for you!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2009 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed!
When I blew out my candles on Sunday I wished for a Broncos Win. YAY!
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 12, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 nyc,and Happy Birthday Kaptain
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Oct 12, 2009 8:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
Breaking jaws or the NFL in Oakland who cares? Fall on your pirate’s sword - Ponderosa
by KaptainKirk on Oct 12, 2009 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Epic quotes throughout those articles but My fav...
“He out Brady-ed Tom Brady.” LOL instant classic
by Hoopforia on Oct 12, 2009 8:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep....I said that in the threads during MHR radio as well......Orton was on song!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2009 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks NYC...awesome horse tracks...took me over an hour to get through...STOKED!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2009 9:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks NYC, still hung over
I couldnt stop drinking during the game. Our short yardage game, we need to play action to make all the teams think about what we are going to do. Hey colin cowturd just said the Broncos are better than the Steelers after he has blasted us all the time.
live and die blue and orange
by jerry251 on Oct 12, 2009 9:12 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wild Horses Formation
I haven’t heard alot about the Broncos using the wild cat but it seems like we lined up in that package quite a bit yesterday. Was this expected, have we been using it already?
by Captain B on Oct 12, 2009 9:12 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I Didn't See it Coming
However is should be noted that it was more than the Wildcat. It was sort of an evolution of the wildcat to really encompass the passing game. Simms was in awe and I think he is right that this will suddenly be copied around the league.
Now we pretty much threw it out towards the end of the game so I don’t see it becoming our MO but it will reappear. Good against defenses that have lots of personnel groupings and like late substitutions.
When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
by Kfustud on Oct 12, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was like a hybrid wildcat....
Simms usually dogs the wildcat formation hard, but he was really stoked about this utilization.
It was completely unexpected to me as well!
All hail the “Wild Horses”!!!
A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!!
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
by Broncotodd on Oct 12, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I liked the most about the Wild Horses.....
when Orton motioned under center and went to the pass……every time there wasnt a defender within 5 yards of the primary receiver……guranteed 10 yards every play ;)
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein
by Disturbed70 on Oct 12, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Well that was the McD brilliance evolving the plan. Now if the defense sets up to stop the run you just have Orton read it and come up under center. If they play a base defense you just run the ball. The change happens so last second the defense can’t switch personnel or schemes fast enough.
It was really interesting to watch.
When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
by Kfustud on Oct 12, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Guess
This link was fascinating to read because he sums it up well.
When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
by Kfustud on Oct 12, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Captain
I saw them practice it in Training Camp. In his Coach’s show a few weeks ago, Josh said we may see it sometime during the season. It was effective to get down the field for added confusion, but it might not even be used again this year.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
Breaking jaws or the NFL in Oakland who cares? Fall on your pirate’s sword - Ponderosa
by KaptainKirk on Oct 12, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC and Oakland. Which is worse?
KC has won just 2 of their last 30 games…
Yikes. I knew they stunk, but that is pitiful. I don’t care how good KC used to be in December. We should pulverize KC both times this season. And I think we will.
Matt Cassel looked okay yesterday, but their somewhat highly regarded young secondary sustained 3rd degree burns from a backup WR. I love it. That franchise is just as lost as Oakland.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 10:01 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
How Miles Austin
is a second string receiver I just don’t understand and I’ve been thinking that for more than a season now. I think he’s pretty darn good.
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Oct 12, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talent Evaluation in Dallas
It is sad man. You take Roy Williams off this Dallas team and they won’t miss a beat. Then try adding back in several draft picks….
When you trade away the draft you will pay for it for years to come.
When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
by Kfustud on Oct 12, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s interesting because I really think KC has a decent amount of talent, I just can’t stand their coach though. He just seems unlikeable
A truth can only be expressed and enveloped in words if it is one-sided. Everything that is thought and expressed in words is one-sided, only half the truth; it all lacks totality, completeness, unity.
by Todd Jewell on Oct 12, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC’s talent is overrated by the MSM hype machine. All we heard was how they had a monster 2008 draft blah blah blah.
The fact is Fat Alberts has been a disappointment at LT and Dorsey does not fit their 3-4 scheme which has minimized his impact. Trading away J Allen was a huge mistake.
They have a lot of high draft picks in their front seven but very few of them playing impact football. Derrick Johnson is 2nd string. Their offensive line is terrible; they have one good WR, no TE and not real threat at RB. When you strip away the MSM love, they really don’t have much talent at all. Just a lot of overhyped high picks that haven’t panned out. I can’t think of one guy on that team that is a legit All Pro candidate. Flowers may become a star, but beyond him, they pretty much suck.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flowers and Bowe
Thats pretty much it.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
by ChristianL on Oct 12, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC will win some games this year
Oakland is regressing. Cassel can be good, I think.
by JeffG on Oct 12, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel can be good only if
they can get the rest of the team performing the offensive scheme. Don’t think they have the O-line to do it.
by idahobronc on Oct 12, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC willl win some games this year. Like 2 or 3 games. Their O-line is a joke and their RBs are doing next to nothing. Just a few of their many problems on their way to 0-5.
I do not think Haley will be involved in any discussions for coach of the year.
That is bad team from top to bottom they got in KC.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So happy to see Marshall COMPLETELY hustle
His comeback to swat the ball down when it was tipped at the line of scrimmage was a great play, as was the way he broke up several possible interceptions on passes thrown his way.
He seems to be performing in all phases of the game. He is becoming (and may already be there) a complete player!
As a result, it should make the field wide open for Eddie from here on out!
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
by BroncTastic on Oct 12, 2009 11:14 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Brandon and Orton were Co-MVP
Brandon deserves alot of credit for the swat and for switching it up to CB during that last drive and defending the near pick.
I think he’s realized that money is fleeting, but greatness last forever. And that is what I think is more important for him now.
I don’t even question he’ll be a model citizen for the rest of his career now. His turnaround is seriously motivational.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
by ChristianL on Oct 12, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
and greatness gets paid.
At this point, it is when, not if….
by cjfarls on Oct 14, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-line too
One thing watching the game yesterday that stood out to me was how much Wilfork (and to a lessor extent Warren) was simply dominating our interior. While some of that is the last legs of Hamilton/Weigman, it also just shows what a great D-line can do. While I like the guys we have on the D-line, we had a lot of trouble getting much heat on Brady when we were bringing 4 (at least until Light was hurt).
The guys we have are workman-like and serviceable, but we dont really have that dominant up front guy that wreaks havoc consistently. Perhaps Baker can develop into that guy…. or hopefully we can draft/FA pickup someone next year. If we can get that, before the wheels fall off our old secondary (or if the young DBs develop behind them), this D will be very good for a long while….
by cjfarls on Oct 12, 2009 11:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
There are very few Wilforks...
Which is why I loved the Baker signing. I think taking a Raji or a Brace early in the draft is a bad move. Now, if Raji or Brace weighed in at, say, 350+ and played with leverage…
I’m actually glad Tyson Jackson was off the board at 12 and 18; because we already had him in McBean and Peterson for a whole lot less.
by JeffG on Oct 12, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It Is Concerning
Our interior line has struggled against good 3-4 NT like Rodgers and now Wilfork. We face Ngata and Hampton still so I am somewhat concerned.
When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
by Kfustud on Oct 12, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Key part of that Don Banks piece
I know I’ve cited Denver’s brutal October-November schedule for the last time this season. The Broncos are now 2-0 with wins over the Cowboys and Patriots at home during that challenging eight-game stretch, and I don’t think they’re going to fear any opponent at this point.
To me this is what I want to hear from everyone, that the Broncos should no longer have anything to PROVE even with more tough games coming up. Because you know what? They will lose a few games. That’s inevitable. But it should no longer be the be all to end all that proves whether they’re legit or not. They ARE legit. Period. And they will compete, they will, as Banks says, not fear anyone. So if they lose to San Diego, or the next tough game after that, that should no longer mean they are not legit. That story line is over, thank God.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Oct 12, 2009 11:55 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You have to give the MSM credit
I think most analysts thought we were real much earlier but you can’t set up a good Cinderella feel good story without doubting a team for as long as they did.
There was a post not to long ago about how the 2009 Denver Broncos had all the pieces to make that storyline work and looked like the best contender to pull it off.
I can’t remember who wrote it (was a segment of a larger article) but that guy is patting himself on the back right now.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
by ChristianL on Oct 12, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was
Bill Simmons, who writes and blogs on ESPN. Kudos to him (and he’s a Patriots fan). I give anyone credit who admits they erred about them. And I also didn’t have a problem with MSM pundits who didn’t think they’d be a playoff team this year or had doubts about them or whatever; all that’s fair. What made me mad before the season even started is the incredible amount of ignorance about the Broncos on display from these guys when some simple research and investigation would’ve at least given them more food for thought about the Broncos before summarily dismissing them.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Oct 12, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a point in the Dallas game...
…in the first quarter when they had scored ten unanswered points and the defense had been on the field a lot and I looked at them and thought they were about to crack. But they didn’t – they got it together and took over. (I read later that Dawkins had had a little talk with his teammates on the sideline about then.)
That was a “Wow” win and an eye-opener, even for me. There were so many points during yesterday’s game at which prior Broncos teams would have folded. After those ST penalties, after letting Brady get the ball back late in the 4th quarter of a tied game, after trailing by 10 points at halftime – those were all moments where I thought the Broncos were toast.
So, I never thought there was a moment that the Broncos were toast. Dawkins will never allow it.
Wrote Great in the sand a thousand times. Forgot about dying and went on home.
by bradley on Oct 12, 2009 11:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for all the support folks
I really expected some jeers… Gotta love Bronco fans!!
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 12, 2009 7:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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