"Kyle Orton Can't Throw It 65 Yards"
Gotta love Phil Simms. We've heard him for years doing a lot of Bronco games for CBS, and, you know, it has to kill him that his son is a backup, but that doesn't excuse his ignorance about the teams and the players in the games that he is announcing. Case in point: Kyle Orton. More after the jump.
What is really telling is the comments made just after the play completed. In the background you can't just hear Phil say, "Kyle Orton threw it 65" (with the sound of astonishment in his voice). And then, always the spinning MSM talking head that he is, Phil simply tries to take credit for the call by saying, "I'll say this, I like the call by Josh McDaniels." Wait - weren't you just the one who was saying that the Broncos should just take a knee because they have such a noodle arm quarterback who can't throw the ball far enough to even attempt this type of play? Gotta love the instant hypocrisy.
BTW: I am okay that he threw an interception. What are the odds anyone could go the whole year without one? And at least now it won't be a constant pins and needles game waiting for his first one. Now that he's got one I at least won't be constantly on edge about every throw. It's like when you get a new car, constantly concerned about that first little ding, but after you get it, then it's no big deal. I like to make a tiny little ding on any car I get right when I get it so I no longer have to worry about it being "perfect", same thing with KO now. It is especially okay because no one, not even Orton haters, can reasonably say that the INT was at all his fault. So for my money, he has no "real" interceptions.
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The INT
You are absolutely correct: at some point, Orton was going to throw a pick. He will throw more picks. But streaks can mess with you; it’s easy to become obsessed with the streak, rather than just doing your job. Now the No-INT streak is dead, and in a way that cost the team nothing. It’s almost a relief!
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by Disco_Stu on Oct 12, 2009 10:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
He has yet to thow a "bad" pick.
I hate the stats for the simple reason of that “Hail Mary” interception. I think those should not count against a QB.
BUT, having typed that, as I stated in an earlier post, ALL that counts is the SCVOREBOARD at the end of the game.
5-0
Bring on the Chargers!
by topnation on Oct 12, 2009 10:12 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I get sick of the talking heads on the broadcast
and go to the radio play by play with Logan and Eddie Mac. Even with the delay it’s more detailed and thorough.
by irishbronco on Oct 12, 2009 10:14 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
i wish i could hear this radio play by play ?
do they netbroadcast it anywhere ? is this local radio or local television ? sry for all the questions !
I’d love to have a (local to Denver) radio feed for Broncos games that I could pull in here in Calgary !
Its always the same story, you know ?
The nationally televised Hockey games here in Canada, the play by play guys always suck because (duh) they aren’t familiar with the players. When you bother to just get a little bit familiar with the players, you can’t help but skew your objectivity a little bit and develop a little emotion for the local team, and that emotion always comes across over the radio !
The local radio crew that covered the Edmonton Oilers (Gretzky et. al.) when i was growing up are legends here in Canada. And I hated those Oilers !
by Jenna Talia on Oct 12, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thx Jon !
bookmarked for future sundays ! appreciate it !
by Jenna Talia on Oct 13, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
X2 irishbronco
I’ve been doing that since back when Zimmer was play by play and Logan was color. The local guys know the team better, plus radio has to paint the picture for the audience since they can’t see the action. As you wrote, much more detailed and thorough.
When I go to games I listen to them on earphones – when you’re there a lot of times you don’t have a good sight line to what happened. For example, in that Redskins game in 1995 when Rod Smith got his first NFL reception (on a Hail Mary on the last play of the game, for the winning touchdown), we were in the North stands and the play was in the South end zone. About 5 guys went up for the jump ball and we couldn’t see who came down with it, but Logan was all over it.
This year they’ve been rotating who calls color. We’ve had Eddie Mac, Brian Griese (who does a pretty darn good job), Andy Lindal, and I forget who else. Last year (couple of years?) was David Diaz L’Enfante. For a while it was Scott Hastings, former Denver Nugget.
Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA
by Rzeppa on Oct 12, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right Jeff, Griese was good.
Reminds me of his Dad. But, they’re all good. And Logan is stellar! They keep up with the personnel packages, the formations etc. There’s no comparison as far as I’m concerned. You just get better coverage all around.
by irishbronco on Oct 12, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Treadwell
Thats who you forgot…he did the Oakland game
"Look, all I want to do is win"-Josh McDaniels
"Kyle’s arm,was strong enough to overthrow Eddie Royal today."- Josh McDaniels
"Enough my bad make the play!"-Josh McDaniels
by Rockymountainway on Oct 12, 2009 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you get the memo
apparantly we here on MHR are the Orton haters
by T.Dot_Bronco on Oct 12, 2009 10:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I liked the call!
Nothing to lose and message to NFL defenses…..KO can and will burn you deep!
by rocko1 on Oct 12, 2009 10:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Totally acceptable throw and result, from old noodle arm. tsk tsk.
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 12, 2009 11:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Simms
Was … in internet geekdom speak … “PWNED” on that one. I was laughing pretty hard even as he was saying “Broncos should just take a knee” and I was certain there was no way in hell Coach McDaniels would do take a knee.
On the flip side… I’m pretty sure Simms owned up to his flub and admitted he was wrong right when the ball left KO’s hand and it was very apparent it was going to travel the full 65 yards. Also, he gave Neckbeard his props throughout the latter half of the game and said more than once that KO played a flawless game.
“I’m not sayin’… I’m just sayin’…”
by tunga77 on Oct 12, 2009 11:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I thought the CBS guys called a nice game. Simms was complimentary of Orton — aside from the 65-yard thing. And he quickly apologized for that.
by JeffG on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
It’s just that this was a major example of how the theory of KO having a weak arm has become mainstream. Sure, he has a weakER arm than JC – even Elway has to live with that according to the golden boy himself – but he still certainly has an NFL strength arm – and it has proved more than adequate this year!
by BroncoPilot on Oct 12, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
INT not a problem
There is no less damaging way to throw an INT then on the last play of a half. Other then completion for a TD, other outcomes were the same in this case. Randy Moss bats it down – same thing. Ball falls to the ground – same thing.
But given what was going on around the goal line, he needed 4 more yards for this pass to have a chance. BMarsh was already in the end zone and Royal (?) was moving from the endzone back for the ball. If Royal catches, his momentun carries him away from endzone and he is likely tackled before he can turn around. BMarsh ran straight to the endzone and would’ve been in play if the ball was coming down there.
All in all, I’m just happy to nitpick on this very-very-low percentage play that did not cost us the win. Wonderful play from Orton all day – and completing this pass would’ve been just unreal.
by si_ice on Oct 12, 2009 11:37 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Orton and Marshall will hook up deep, it's just a matter of time.
There are no asterisks behind ‘hailmary’ interceptions, they all count as one. Too bad Kyle had to suffer that one but you never know how things are going to work out. I could have just as easily been caught by a Bronco for a TD.
by bfree2bronc on Oct 12, 2009 11:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Now dont shoot me
but I think coach was kind of banking on a pick. In a effort to keep Kyle humble, having him trow a shot like that down field where the completion percentage is well under 50%. Now he can focus on the game and not on streaks I will take a 7:1 ratio the rest of the season that ends about 15:3
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by Jon Tollerud on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Hi There, fellow conspiracy theory man!
I wondered if that was at least part of the decision, too.
by idahobronc on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he wasn't consciously
He had to know it was highly likely. I thought as soon as they lined up – oh no – here goes his streak. But that also shows that KO and the team don’t care about individual stats. If so then KO would have purposely thrown it short or out of bounds. The team knew it was a no risk play so why not give the old heave ho. Anything to win, stats mean nothing in the end…
by BroncoPilot on Oct 12, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree 100%
He wanted POINTS eitherby touchdown or a penalty to get a FG attempt.
by topnation on Oct 12, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simms
As soon as I heard his quote, I thought to myself. "this guys son is the backup QB and he doesn’t know that Orton can throw the ball 65 yards. That really weakened him as an “expert” and broadcaster" IMO
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by 3nS on Oct 12, 2009 12:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Just to be nit-picking...
The fact is, he didn’t throw it 65 yards and he needed 66 to get it in the endzone. As si_ice pointed out, even if someone had caught it, it would have been short of the endzone. Pat yourselves on the back all you want that Orton can heave it over 60 with his best effort in thin air, but don’t make it more than it was.
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by improv88 on Oct 12, 2009 12:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Granted
I have more of a problem with the constant bombardment of those who say it is too weak. Sure it needed to be 3 yards farther, but I haven’t seen any throw that was a realistic and normal NFL route/throw where his “lack of arm strength” has hurt us at all. I did note that he threw it 62 yards and not 65 as Simms said, but the fact remains that even these announcers were shocked that he could throw it that far, yet they were supposed to have studied these teams at least this week and they are supposed to be NFL experts. You can almost hear Simms trying to talk with his foot in his mouth after the throw.
by BroncoPilot on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just one more thing for McD to drill Neckbeard mercilessly on through Mon and the bye. I bet his arm strength goes up by week 8.
by RaRaDonk89 on Oct 16, 2009 2:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noodle Arm vs. Deep Accuracy?
There are now no arguments, even from the “experts” that Orton can throw the ball 65 yards.
My question is can he do it accurately? it appeared to me that he had to put absolutely everything he had into that throw to get it 65 yards. what I have yet to see is Orton put an accurate ball over the shoulder of a receiver running 40-50 yards down field as the “strong armed” qbs are known to do on occasion. Maybe it’s the arm, maybe it’s the system.
Don’t get me wrong, I would rather take Orton’s 7-1 TD-INT ration and 5-0 record over most other QBs in the league, but I don’t think one 65 yard hail-mary removes all questions about Orton’s deep ball capabilities.
I can not claim to be an expert or even slightly knowledgeable, just looking for answers from the wiser members here.
by crazy_urn on Oct 12, 2009 12:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Off the top of my head
I can’t remember him missing any throws like that either. Which makes me think that either it’s the system/play calling, or it’s the other teams “taking that away” from him and him wisely throwing high percentage throws
by BroncoPilot on Oct 12, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems
that all season they have been giving the Broncos the underneath stuff. I think that even Simms mentioned that the safties were playing deep and that was forcing the Broncos to dunk and dink it.
by papasteven on Oct 12, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interception Stats
Kinda funny that through five games, Orton has thrown as many INTs as Tony Scheffler has caught.
by Lunchmeat1212 on Oct 12, 2009 12:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Phil
Simms has been my favorite nfl analyst for several years and I thought he did another great job yesterday. I hated how he carved up the Broncos defense in the Super Bowl (nobody will probably break his completion % that day in a Super Bowl) but he was just doing his job that day and I like the way he expresses opinions and predicts what teams will do during his broadcasts. Also like him on Inside The NFL.
by broncorob on Oct 12, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The knock on Ortons deep ball is a myth
Orton missed Hester on a couple of deep throws last season similar to how jay missed Hester in the preseason. Look at how the Bears have shut jays deep ball down so far this year and they did the same thing to Orton.
With that being said the main issue that bears fans pushed was that teams were putting 8 man in the box because they didnt respect Ortons arm or deep ball so jay was gonna stretch the field in ways Orton couldnt
So again as I said in yesterdays game thread where has this defensive strategy so far this year ? Pretty much every knock that people were feeding us about Orton has been squashed .
Can anyone honestly say that if B.B thought Orton couldnt beat the Pats deep that he wouldnt have brought safety help up and blitzed like crazy .
This tells me that
A- BB felt Orton could read the blitz
B- that he could make the throws required to beat it
C- he had the weapons in which to do it
Now some will say will why havent we seen the bombs but I have
to say why would we ?
We hadnt proved ourselves as a offense enough to justify the defense exposing themselves like that.
Now that we have shown that we can march up and down the field they will try and disrupt that which will open up the deep ball but defenses will still be a bit leery because they cant Press the beast and Gaffney and Eddie are great route runners .
by Hoopforia on Oct 12, 2009 1:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
8 in the box
Is one of my favorite pet peeves so I linked to an article on this. It’s a very misunderstood tactic. Generally teams put 8 in the box for various reasons, but if a team like Chicago has a tendency to run frequently on 1st and second down and require the QB to throw on 3rd and 4-8, which used to happen frequently, you can put 8 in the box to stop the run that you know is coming or you can put 8 in the box to safety blitz the QB on the obvious passing situation. Orton dealt with that constantly.
But Chi supposedly ran a West Coast Offense; at least, that was the theory. More accurately, they ran a WCO in terms of the passing attack, but they also loved to run on first and second down. Calling that a WCO would have Bill Walsh gyrating in his grave in fury. What’s the point? The WCO loves going up against an 8 man box.
Why? Because the WCO loves to flood zones, gain mismatches and loves running routes to create and take advantages of holes in the zones. If you stack the box on the WCO, you can only have one man deep. Do you remember that from the Broncos last year? We got killed by it. The WCO loves the 8 man box because you can then turn a play designed for 5 yards into one for 15 or 25. You don’t have sufficient safety help, so it’s easier to create the big play.
We aren’t seeing it this year because if we do, McD and Orton are going to pick the defense to death and find a high number of big plays to boot. This really isn’t the arm strength issue that so many have been told. It’s about the design of the offense. However – you’re exactly right, hoopforia, in that you have to have receivers who can run tight routes and gain separation for this to work. Last season, Chi didn’t have the weapons (Johnny Knox may be a great exception for this year). They also didn’t have the O line to stop the blitz on third and whatever, and this as improperly ascribed to Orton’s arm. The reality was that it was a matter of playcalling, line and receiver personnel, as well as play design.
Thanks for letting me get that off my chest – it is, as I said, a bit of a pet peeve. The truth shall make you free – it also is good football ;-)
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Oct 12, 2009 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
No Glove, swelling down, Orton throws lasers.....Noodle?
Let’s see how the MSM describes Orton following this week. The conventional wisdom to date is that he has an inaccurate “noodle arm”. What I saw were accurate lasers. He’s good and getting better.
by JRSIII on Oct 12, 2009 1:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Been a hater
Phil Simms has been a closet Bronco hater his entire broadcasting career. He’s forever making subtle digs at the Bronco and is always predicting trouble for them. What is this guy’s problem and why do we end up with him? I absolutely can’t stand the guy but he does most of our games. I hope his kid never sees the starting lineup for all the bad karma his dad reins down.
by mogulskier on Oct 12, 2009 2:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Chill Out Mogul
Phill has Chilled Out since his boy is on the roster. Hey there is a lot of MSM reasons to bash the Broncos for the past few years and some of the loudest critics are the fans. They (Bronco Organization) lost it the past few years.
Now here is an interesting question for you? Do you think Phil will be allowed to broadcast a Bronco game should Chris be the starter? Now let’s talk about fair comments during the broadcast?
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by Halfmile on Oct 12, 2009 2:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
In the past
I don’t think CBS has allowed him to do any games w/ Chris starting, but I see no reason not to allow it. It isn’t as though there is a requirement for unbiased announcing. Sure, it is better to have neutral announcers, but we are kidding ourselves if we think that any announcer is ever completely without bias. CBS is a private company, not affiliated with the league and the announcers have NO impact on the game’s outcome, so he certainly could announce his son’s game and there would be no official reason why he would have to avoid announcing said games.
by BroncoPilot on Oct 12, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not really that they won't let him
He told them right away that he wouldn’t do it. If Chris is playing, he said that he won’t do the broadcast. Class act.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Oct 12, 2009 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps Belichick Should Hire Orton
at least we know Orton can complete passes to Randy Moss! In any case, during the game it was Orton>>>>Brady and it wasn’t even THAT close. I do enjoy Phil Simms’ commentary. Ian Eagle is my favorite play-by-play man, though. He was the genius that called our dismantling of the Faiders a couple of weeks ago.
Brad James
by the Bradfather on Oct 12, 2009 5:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Now Be Fair!!
Tom was throwing against a MUCH better defense than Kyle. Not to take anything away from Neckbeard’s best game against one of the better D’s we’ve played, but Brady’s job was a lot harder.
by RaRaDonk89 on Oct 16, 2009 3:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ball actually went about 65 yards in the air . . .
You have to remember the cross-field distance, too. Orton passed from the center of the field, and Moss caught it mid-way between the hash marks and the sideline. You figure the downfield distance, then the cross-field distance, then calculate the hypotenuse, and in this case it comes to about 65 yards.
Moreover, in high school, Orton threw the ball 74 yards in a QB contest. That is significantly farther than what Peyton Manning (68) and Tom Brady (67) did in the 2002 QB Challenge.
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
by AZDynamics on Oct 13, 2009 11:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone have any proof of this 74 yard throw?
I have read about it ad nauseum, but it is starting to smell a lot like an urban legend. I’m not saying it’s not possible, but it’s starting to sound a bit apocryphal. Especially since I agree with the earlier assessment that it looked like it took every ounce of strength he had to get it 62 yards.
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by improv88 on Oct 13, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
so emotionally invested in the 'noodle armed QB' paradigm
and you’ve read about it ad nauseum have you ?
your posts here are pretty meh. Broncos are 5 and 0.
anything you like about this team ?
by Jenna Talia on Oct 13, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry to have made it personal. my apologies to MHR.
wish i could edit that, re: your posts…i’m just so so done with the ‘perceived’ haters, you know ?
i blame the lack of self restraint on too much coffee, and waking up to snow in October and a bad hair day.
but seriously. every ounce of strength my ass.
by Jenna Talia on Oct 13, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really happened . . .
It was a major event where Orton, as a high school player, out-threw even John Kitna, who was already in the NFL. I have seen its account in more than one place, so I’m sure with a little research you can find it, too.
In fact, in an interview shortly after his arrival in Denver, Orton was asked how far he could throw it. His response: “Oh, probably 73, 74 yards on a good day.” This from a man who has already shown himself very humble.
Oh, and Orton got it 65 yards yesterday. It was 62 yards downfield, but 65 in the air (see my explanation above). And things aren’t always the way they “looked.” Because it “looked” that way doesn’t mean Orton can’t get it farther . . .
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
by AZDynamics on Oct 13, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get used to it, my friend.
I’m the man who did the research on it. It happened at a QB camp sponsored by Purdue, and he was throwing against Jon Kitna. It’s not a legend. If you want more on it, it’s in the search engine: ‘Tales broncobear Kyle Orton’ will give you the article.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Oct 15, 2009 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good enough
Not an accusation, just a question.
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by improv88 on Oct 15, 2009 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes - no worries
Just pulling your lower extremity…
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Oct 15, 2009 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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