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Kyle Orton Plus 2

 

I finally feel compelled to enter the verbal fray, so here are my two bits on Kyle Orton and the Broncos. Now that he is 18 and 2 as a starter at home, and now that he has the Broncos off to their best start in a decade while throwing but 1 interception (which was nearly intentional ), I am confident he will do the job in Denver. Not that I ever doubted him, but the media and fans both in Denver and in Chicago were so negative about his ability and so lavish in their praise of Jay Cutler, that even I began to have questions.

I am a lifelong Bear fan and can still remember listening to them on the radio as their great defense destroyed Y.A. Tittle and the NY Giants in the NFL Championship game of 1963. I was looking forward to this season and a healthy and experienced Kyle Orton in full control of the Bears offense. I was stunned when I got the news that the Bears had traded for Jay Cutler, giving up TWO NUMBER ONE DRAFT CHOICES and Kyle Orton. I was actually more shocked by the loss of these high picks. A football team’s future depends on the draft, and I think the Bears made a fatal mistake with this trade that won’t show up for a while. Simply put, you can’t trade your number one and expect to succeed. Trade two number ones for anybody short of one of Archie’s sons and you have lost your mind.

And speaking of Franchise Quarterbacks, who pinned that label on JayC? One Pro Bowl and he is anointed a football god, an all time great in the making. Soon after the trade I began to research this FQ and found his bona fides suspect. The collapse and failure by the Broncos last season made me wonder. The fact that he had never led a team to a winning record, college or pro, caused concern. The fact that no Big Ten teams signed him to a ride, even though he grew up in the heart of the conference in INDIANA, baffled me. And I was troubled by the gossipy feud that the media said led to his banishment from Denver. But when he arrived in Chicago, our media and sports pundits swooned before him. I wanted to ask David Haugh, Bear reporter of the Tribune, if he had sent flowers to JayC, or maybe even asked him out, so extravagant was his praise. The best since Sid Luckman they shrieked. So what, I thought. Luckman led the Bears even before my time, during WW II, pretty much NFL prehistory.

On the other side of the scale was Kyle Orton, under-rated and unappreciated. When the Bears drafted him, I couldn’t believe their good fortune. A player who once might have been a high first rounder they get in the fourth. Save for the aftermath of one disastrous play his Senior year against Wisconsin, Purdue might have been in the Rose Bowl and he might have won the Heisman.

Orton comes from that bastion of college quarterbacks, Purdue University in West Lafayette, INDIANA (see the connection) and includes a lineage of Len Dawson, Bob Griese, Mike Phipps, Mark Hermann, Jim Everett, and Drew Brees and rightfully stands in the highest ranks of that pantheon. He holds records for avoiding interceptions at every level of competition, yet JayC is the one praised for his accuracy. As an 18 year old he out dueled a 10 year older pro Jon Kitna in distance throwing, but it is JayC with the strong arm. I don’t think I saw one Orton pass that Cutler would have thrown better. He also showed several times that he could lead a long and crucial drive. I can’t wait to see the Broncos open up the vertical game and let Orton fling it.

Kyle Orton had tremendous success for the Bears, success that went largely unrecognized in the Big Windy. Operating under the chained restraint of the imagination challenged Ron Turner, he still managed to lead the Bears to a victorious season as a rookie. When the quarterback savant (nothing but a golden arm) Rex Grossman returned, Orton suffered through clipboard splinters and earphone ache. Last year, deprived of Bernard Berrian, the Bears only gifted wideout, he still managed to lead the Bears to a winning record and he often led them to rally to a fourth quarter lead only to have their vaunted defense go in the tank.

What a break this trade has been for Orton. With the Broncos he gets to play behind arguably the best O line in the pros. The extra pick from the Bears allowed them to help their defense and still draft Knowshon Moreno, a legitimate contender for Rookie of the Year. The Broncos have a solid receiver corps and Kyle likes his tight ends so I look for Scheffler and especially Graham to get more attention. And the defense? Suffice it to say that the Bears at their best and healthiest were no better.

I am hopeful that the Bears will have a successful season, but to my mind, there is a lot that smells there. Thank you Denver for Johnny Knox (5th rounder from trade) because there is no established wide receiver. The O line is suspect, Kreutz being over-rated and Pace being over-the-hill. The defense has suffered some serious injuries and may not hold up. And they have been lucky (missed FGs) in a couple of their victories. Jay Cutler showed his dark side with the bleak night in Green Bay and he better not show that side again.

I look forward to following the success of Kyle Orton and the Denver Broncos and plan to watch as many of their games as I can. Kyle is one smart, tough and capable QB, and with the obviously shrewd coaching staff of the Broncos he will make the fans happy. Remember that whenever Kyle Orton takes the field it is Orton and Robert Ayers and a great player to be chosen later lining up behind Casey Weigmann. What a trade and boy did the Bears get snookered. With Orton, Ayers and Moreno the Broncos definitely had the best draft of 2009. That reminds me, is Ayers going to get to play more in light of the season Dumervil has been having?

 

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On Ayers

He’s been getting a fair amount of playing time, even with Dumerville going crazy. With this defense, we need to adjust how we think about team depth. It isn’t about “Player A starts and therefore plays the majority of snaps, with Player B behind A and getting minimal time.” The players rotate constantly, shifting into different roles at different times (Dumerville has been a rush LB, but Ayers has lined up at OLB, DE, and even DT I believe). Dumerville’s explosion isn’t going to take time away from Ayers. :o)

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by Disco_Stu on Oct 12, 2009 12:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Additionally,

Ayers has played opposite Dumervil quite a bit. When Dumervil lines up at weak side, you’ll often see Ayers on the strong side. When they’ve moved Dumervil to the strong side to take advantage of a weak pass blocking RT (see the Cleveland game), Ayers will take his spot on the Right. It looks like Ayers is the 3rd OLB, and he comes in at whichever spot needs a body on that play.

Plus, as Disco Stu said, he does play at end and even tackle occasionally.

by BroncosBassist on Oct 12, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you fellow Bears fan

There has been some very lively debate on this great site since the trade was made. The trade was very hard to swallow for this KO fan and Purdue grad. I hated the trade from day one. There has been nothing that Bears’ management has done over the past twenty years, that told me they had a clue on what they were doing when it came to the position of QB. As much as I miss KO playing for the Bears, the trade might help in the long run. That only comes to fruition if Angelo, Smith and Turner are shown the door to Hallas Hall after KO leads the Broncos deep into the playoffs. Unfortunately, Cutler might linger on as aftermath for the next 10 years if he gets a long term deal.

by rocko1 on Oct 12, 2009 12:03 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Agree 100%!

As another bronco fan in Bears country, I was very excited for the trade! KO still has a lot of friends here, and they are very vocal on local sports radio, which I listen to several hours daily. They have become known as “Supportons”.
After Kyle’s performance Sunday, the Supportons were on FIRE this morning (all day)! It was hilarious to hear Cutler fans try & justify the trade value. It’s becoming more and more difficult with each Bronco win and each impressive Orton drive.

If the Bears lose to Atlanta this weekend, and we have a few more Cutler interceptions, I think this trade will be finally be seen for what it actually is – a major fiasco for the Bears! That should result in a staff cleansing from Angelo on down. Especially Lovie rex-grossman-is-our-quarterback Smith! And, Chicago will be in a rebuilding mode for a while.

Jay is going to love life for the next few years!

by BFF46350 on Oct 12, 2009 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

I love that..Supportons!

Very good post BFF. We are on the same page about the trade. Orton will continue to improve and Cutler will start to press(into the face of a much tougher schedule) in an effort to match Orton’s stats. His comments about the subpar passing yardage after the Lions win was very telling about where his head is at. Public perception is changing in a big way in Chicago. I wouldn’t be suprised if word comes down to Lovie Smith to start throwing the ball more. Our playcalling has already changed inside the five yard line. We used to run the ball quite frequently, but now we pass. Just my opinion.

by rocko1 on Oct 12, 2009 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Supportons??

Awesome.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 12, 2009 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Forget

The Broncos also got a 3rd pick. We traded it along with another 3rd round pick for a 2d and a 4th and took TE Richard Quinn and S David Bruton. We might not have drafted Moreno if we did not have two first round picks and might not have taken CB Alphonso Smith (with next year’s Bronco’s pick) if we did not have two first round picks next year available. We still have next year’s Bear’s 1st round pick (and I don’t think it is too early to predict that it will be a higher pick than the one we traded to Seattle for Alphonso Smith) I agree that Chicago shot themselves in the foot with the trade. rec’d

by Endzone on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad JC isn't here, but

I really think he ended up in the best situation that his personality and skill set could match. I for one do not believe that if we had kept him, just refused to trade him, that he would have mastered the offense (and worked as hard at mastering it) as well as KO. This trade may actually be best for BOTH teams. I would worry about the draft picks also if I were a Bears fan, but that part of the equation has been left out by most non-MHR members in discussing the trade.
Although JC may eventually show the ability to progress (over the years) enough to lead a SB team, I suspect it will not be with this Bears coaching staff. All that said, and with much man-love for the way KO leadership, toughness, hard work, thick skin, and intelligence in running the offense, I still wonder what this system would be like with a COACHABLE AND WILLING TEAM PLAYER with the physical gifts of Cutler. But, I often wonder what it would be like to have peace on earth, too. Rec’d for giving insight from a thinking Bears fan (like you too, Rocko1)

by idahobronc on Oct 12, 2009 12:18 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Agreed. +1.

I have been on record since Coach McDaniels was hired and then after “The Trade”. I hope and believe it was the best for all teams/parties involved. I also hope it served as a sort of wake-call for JCutler as well. The new hair-do, the improved sideline demeanor, etc (imo, anyway) looks like that might be the case.

What’s funny is that so many in the MSM keep wanting to say Coach McD and Brian Xanders traded Cutler to the Bears for Orton straight up, conveniently forgetting to mention the exchange of draft picks. Folks in Denver are so “Mile-High” right now, many might now say they would have made the trade straight up after all!

I continue to hope the deal works for all involved.

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by HockeyHippie on Oct 12, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine insight!

I have to say, though, that I think the fact that is takes physical skills AND the “coachable and willing team player” existing in one person to be great, is what makes it rare that a person can truly be great.

I don’t know how JC would have done had he stayed. It is possible that he would have thrown off the chemistry enough to have us be 2-3 even…

However, after watching Marshall mature as he has, as quickly as he has, I begin to have higher hope for the ability for people to learn. Marshall is a seriously emotional player, and connects deeply to his experience. Being paired up with an emotional guy, but one who is stable and has it manageable (McD) has helped him incomprehensibly. Maybe JC could have had a similar Renaissance had he given himself the chance.

Conversely, imagine if an emotional guy like Marshall got drafted or traded to the Raiders, with the apparent dysfunction and chaotic environment…yikes. That would be frighteningly bad for him. So what environment did JC go to over there in Chicago?

by Mhantra on Oct 12, 2009 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

JC's ego is waaaaaaaaaaay to big....

for that to ever be possible….I don’t know if any coach could have got though his thick skull…. any notions that the team is and will always be greater than one player….. He has been placated in his self gratification since Pop Warner and it shows…he needs a huge slice of humble pie first….I thought that would come with his 3 game melt down last season,….that didn’t work……..and then I thought well maybe the trade would do it…..but after his antics in the first few games this season it doesn’t seem to be the case…but anyway I’m glad he is no longer our head-ache :)

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Oct 12, 2009 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ayers is still a work in progress. He has had better games than the one he played yesterday when he was largely contained.

I’m hoping he breaks out on Rivers next week. I’d love to see Ayers smash that trash talking punk into the grass at Qualcomm.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2009 2:02 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Ayers did get 3 tackles yesterday — not bad for limited playing time

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by Todd Jewell on Oct 12, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also did his job often

What I mean by that is that Ayers is often the guy who moves the play to the other side, gives pressure that frees guys like Vonnie and Elvis, etc. I recall seeing him on one play – he took an outside route, trying for the QB. They went with a short screen to the weakside, to the RB. Ayers left off his man, ran to the ball and was in on the tackle. He didn’t get a stat on it, but he was in perfect position and did his job just the way he should have. With this defense, stats aren’t a good measure of very much.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Oct 12, 2009 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rivers

I’m no fan of Rivers’ persona, but he’s a hell of a QB and was more deserving of the Pro Bowl than Culter last year. If Rivers had gone instead of Cutler, we wouldn’t have gotten all this Jay Culter, Pro Bowl QB, adoration.

by BuckarooBanzai on Oct 12, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although I don't like Rivers as a person

he won’t get ignored on the Pro Bowl this year. I guarantee that. He’s a damn good quarterback and one of the few bright spots SD has right now, in my opinion.

John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)

by Joe Medina on Oct 12, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

A trade of historic proportion

This trade will rest with the Herschel Walker trade as one of the biggest most lopsided trades of all time. You bring up a great point, bearonco (and thanks much for the post!), the draft choices will prove to be a huge plus. I’ve been a supporter of this trade since day one, I never disputed JC’s raw talent but never liked the leadership. My son lives in Chicago, but he’s a broncomaniac as well (smart, just like his dad :) ), and he would give me the skinny on KO from having seen him often. IMHO to get the draft picks along with this trade was a steal, and I had and have great confidence that KO paired up with coach McD is a match made in heaven. Guess what….it’s kinda like heaven around here now. Thanks again for the post, and I do wish JC and the bears well. But I’ll take this trade all day long, every day, and we’ll see KO here with The Broncs for a long time.

by azbroncomaniac on Oct 12, 2009 2:47 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Nothing will ever match

the trade for Ricky Williams. All time biggest Boned headed maneuver ever.

by gOOn on Oct 12, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The list of bonehead trades

Herschel Walker to Minn.
Ricky Williams draft selection
and the one I think is the biggest:
A bunch of nobodies and draft picks to Houston for 12-time Pro Bowler S Ken Houston by George Allen and the Redskins.

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by IgorBStrange on Oct 13, 2009 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Herchel Walker?

I always thought of that one as the Osseous Cranium Award.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Oct 12, 2009 6:29 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

i don't think this a pure football move

jay cutler brings fans. period. your chicago bears have been awesome for the pass few years but during those same few years your city has been referred to as the WR graveyard (no offense). something about have someone named a “franchise QB” will just bring fans to the game and from what i’ve seen, it seems to have worked. there looked to be a lot of cutler jerseys in the stands so i’m sure he brought tons of revenue. yes you lost huge no 1 picks but then you don’t have to spend large amounts of money on unproven rookies but instead go use that revenue that cutler has brought to go out and get some proven free agents.

still, awesome post :) its always nice to see someone thinking with his head and not just going ga-ga because the media tells them to.

by march20 on Oct 12, 2009 6:38 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

if kyle orton and cedric benson keep it up

angelo and lovie might be looking for new jobs next season

by lolcopter on Oct 12, 2009 6:50 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

lol yeah if the Bears lose Sunday and we win on monday night oh boy.....

Here are a several articles that landed in my email box

Chicago tribune

and the Chicago Suntimes

neither says Orton is the greatest and Cutler sucks just poses the questions that something is wrong with the bears management and refers to Benson as well.

by Hoopforia on Oct 13, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Green Bay debacle....

unfortunately I am afraid you will see it again…..lord knows we did……over and over again……..in big games…..small games….division games………and games you should win…but like you said there is a bright side….the fifth rounder you got does look good (Knox)….

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Oct 12, 2009 8:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

After the trade for Orton,

I conducted an extensive and deep research of him. I saw several games and reviewed 64 different video clips of Orton, and read everything I could get my hands on.

Even though I went into the study with a somewhat negative perception of Orton, I came away thoroughly convinced that I was looking at a good QB. The bashers were out in full force. They said Orton had a “noodle arm.” I saw a very strong arm. They said he had no mobility. I saw more than one play where he scored TDs running around the end and up the middle, and where he would run out of the pocket and complete a pass or throw it away . . . and other times when he slipped and slid around in the pocket or moved up to avoid the rush . . . something he had to do often with that pathetic offensive line of his. They said he couldn’t be trusted to pass without throwing interceptions. I saw 12 INTs all last year. They said he was dumb. I heard McDaniels say that one reason he liked Orton was because he was very smart.

Speaking of supporting cast, I not only saw a bunch of matadores for offensive linemen, but subpar wide receivers and the #27 ranked running game in the league . . . and the #30 ranked pass defense.

I noticed Orton’s performance the first seven games, before his high ankle sprain, versus that of his final seven games, playing on that high ankle sprain. Oh, and I saw him playing on a high ankle sprain (they guy’s one tough SOB)!

I took my discoveries to the two Broncos message boards upon which I posted, where I immediately incurred ridicule and jeering. It was here on Mile High Report where I saw the general support for Orton and the favorable responses to my own posts about him . . . which, in my opinion, reveals a difference in mentality and football intelligence here.

Well, friends, we have a franchise quarterback.

You heard it here first . . .

BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Oct 12, 2009 9:08 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

#8

I tend to recall we had another QB that wore the number 8. He was a thinker, good athlete, solid skills – but was not precieved to have the outstanding physical ability to be a star. With him as a member of the Broncos we did go to 5 superbowls and won 2 thanks in large part to his skill. Gary Kubiak played most of his career with a clip board in his hands – but when called upon he showed a knowledge of the game, a steadiness, athletic ability and the ability to control and win the games – a lot like our current number 8

by Flunkie on Oct 12, 2009 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen!

Amen to that, AZDynamics!

by CyberSpartacus on Oct 12, 2009 9:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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