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Denver Broncos coach Josh McDaniels salutes the crowd after the Broncos defeated the New England Patriots 20-17 in overtime in an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 11, 2009, in Denver. (AP Photo/Chris Schneider)

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about 1 month ago: Denver Broncos coach Josh McDaniels salutes the crowd after the Broncos defeated the New England Patriots 20-17 in overtime in an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 11, 2009, in Denver. (AP Photo/Chris Schneider)

Happy Tuesday, friends, and welcome to another edition of Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations.  Is anybody else feeling like they could get used to feeling like this on a Tuesday?  It's great to be 5-0, isn't it?  Maybe Mark Kiszla is right, and we should all join him in welcoming Kyle Orton to Denver, since MHR is clearly bringing up the rear, there.  Y'all know how skeptical I have been. Despite our ongoing skepticism, and community-wide propensity for all things negative, we press on.  Ready..... BEGIN!!!!

1.  Speaking of my skepticism, I was pretty high on this team, heading into the first game.

This is an 11-5 football team, and it's one that is only going to improve as it adds more quality talent in the next few years.  I put my money where my mouth is too, donating $11 to the Susan G. Komen Race For The Cure, on John Bena's wife's behalf.  Please do the same thing, if you can, by donating $1 for every win you think the Broncos will get this season.  Things have to break right for that to happen, sure, but I think they will.  Forget last season, this is a totally different thing. 

Well, that caused a stir.  John Bena took a beating on Twitter about it, and even my brother Chris thought I was about 4 games too generous.  At this point, I am frankly wondering if I shorted the Susan G Komen outfit by a buck or two.  One mea culpa though. 

By the way, the Broncos five losses are to the Patriots, Giants, and Raiders at home, and the Chargers and Eagles on the road.  I know a lot of people will groan at the thought of losing to Oakland at home, but let's face it, the Broncos annually lose a game they have no business losing, and I had a feeling that that would be the one.  I think they can beat Baltimore and Pittsburgh, because they protect the QB, and will be strong defensively against the run.  It's about matchups, in those cases.  Really, I believe that the Broncos can beat any team on their schedule if they execute, and consistently do the things you need to do to win football games.

I had the Broncos going to 4-0, (in case anybody claims nobody did), before losing both (Sunday) to the Patriots and next Monday night to the Chargers.   They beat the Patriots, and I am pretty sure they'll beat the Chargers too, to move to 6-0.   I also don't think there is any way they lose to the Raiders, with the consistent preparation and focus they've shown, and Oakland's extreme awfulness.  So, even the most optimistic reasonable guy you know may have been underselling this team. 

Star-divide

I am not much of a stats guy, but are you ready for an unbelievable one?  In five weeks, the Broncos have made zero personnel moves.  For all you hear about how much "turmoil" surrounded this team in the offseason, there has been absolutely none in the regular season.  Of course, having had no major injuries helps, but it's really indicative of the quality of the team's personnel plan.  There was no area where the staff thought incorrectly that the personnel would be good enough.  It's good enough everywhere.

There is a lot of reason to really like this team.  When the score was 10-0 in the first quarter, my father (Ed) called me, like he does when things aren't going that well for the Broncos.  This is the conversation,  practically word-for-word.

Ed:  What's going on with your boys?

Ted:  (A little annoyed.) Nothing, they had a good drive, but missed a field goal, and then they fumbled.  Then they held the Patriots to a field goal despite really favorable field position.  I'm not worried about it yet.  These things happen.

Ed:  I don't know...

Ted:  This team has shown an ability to be resilient, and make adjustments.  I think they'll hang in there, and be okay.  (More annoyed, because the commercial was ending, and the game was restarting.)  They just (bleeped) up a couple times, it's not the end of the world.

Ed:  We'll see....

Ted:  Yes, we will.  I have to go, so I can pay attention.

Ed:  Okay, when you write your analysis, you should mention that your expert father thinks they played like (bleep) because of those ugly uniforms.

Like me, my father is a former United States sailor (a Chief Nuke Machinist Mate), and we tend to employ some sailors' vocabulary when we speak.  (In the interest of authenticity, I thought everybody should know that.) 

I think back to the last few years, and there is a striking difference with this team.  I think of 2005, and the Broncos hardly ever trailed in that season.  Jake Plummer was made to play low-risk football, the defense was solid, and the Broncos ran the ball very well.  If the plan was executed, the Broncos were going to win.  Once it wasn't, in the AFC Championship Game, there was no coming back.

Between 2006-2008, the team was very mistake-prone, on both offense and defense (after the first 6 games of 2006).  Generally, you'd have the feeling that if a player or unit made a mistake, that a long day of repeat mistakes would be sure to follow.  Think of all the times Jay Cutler played the team out of games, or the defense took a holiday from tackling (or both happened in the same game, like the early season Chiefs game last season).  There was always a puncher's chance, but you felt like every mistake was the killer.

I have a tremendous amount of faith in this team's ability to overcome mistakes.  In the short amount of time they've been together, I've seen them do it a lot of times.  It's not like they're making a lot of mistakes, but they show the ability to settle down and re-focus, no matter what happens.  The 2008 Broncos would have gotten blown out today, no question about it.  This team hangs in there, gets back to playing solid football, and gets in position to win in the end.  It happened against Cincinnati, it happened against Dallas, and it happened again today.  (Of course, there never was one second where the Browns or Raiders had an apparent chance, so there was no particular need to hang in there in those games.)

Check out this tweet from Darrell Reid, from Sunday night:

@Footz95:  Bronco Fans Please 4Give Me 4 My Penalty That Almost Cost Us The Game. Luckily Its A Team Sport And My Teammates Overcame That Play. Thank U

That's pure class and accountability, and it's emblematic of this team.  There was nothing about how the penalty was kind of ticky-tack, even if it was.  He knows the rules, he ran into the guy's leg, and he is accountable for his mistake. 

It's a gift to be able to feel like this, and I think only probably Patriots, Steelers, and Colts fans have been able to do so consistently, in recent memory.  I think Giants and Saints fans probably can right now.  Somehow, our team is going to keep focused, and find a way to be in the game until the final gun.  What a great new Broncos fan reality.

2.  Information From My Eyes, Patriots at Broncos:

a.  The WRs for the Broncos did great work all game on Sunday.  They ran a ton of hitches, and really got out of their breaks well on them.  They also really caught the ball.

b.  Andra Davis and D.J. Williams both missed clean sacks on Tom Brady, on delayed blitzes.  It sure would have been nice to have those sacks, at the time. 

c.  I thought the use of Russ Hochstein as a FB was a nice touch a few times.  It's been hit or miss this season, and it hit Sunday.

d.  Both Brandon Marshall TDs were emblematic of his improvement as an all-around player.  He made plays with his physicality, which he hadn't ever fully harnessed in past years.  There was no sideways running Sunday, just good routes and power.

e.  That Ben Watson TD was evidently a mistake by D.J. Williams, who from the looks of the rest of the scheme, and Wesley Woodyard's reaction, should have stayed in zone coverage, instead of following the underneath crosser.

f.   Maybe Kyle Orton was so fantastic because he read Mark Kiszla's column before the game.  Feeling like "one of us" has to go a long way, right?

g.  That was a joke, of course, but Orton really did look as good as I have ever seen him.  His feet were calm, active, and precise, his decisions were quick and correct, and his throws were consistently on the money.  He looked like Tom Brady looks on a good day, and that's no overstatement. 

h.  I want to see a QB sneak on a short-yardage play one of these days.  I am tired of seeing these handoff plays get blown up by quick penetration, usually over Ben Hamilton.

i.  WOW, did Josh McDaniels ever flame-spray Mike Priefer and Keith Burns over that Darrell Reid penalty.  He had a point.  There was no particular need to be halfway rushing that punt, in that situation.  Honestly, I am a believer in not trying to block a punt at all, unless there's 6 or more yards to go.  That mitigates the risk of running into the kicker.

j.  If you remember the second-down play in the 4th quarter, with about 10 minutes to go, where Brady threw deep and the ball was broken up by Brian Dawkins, the real play was made by D.J.Williams, in covering Wes Welker one-on-one.  Brady clearly wanted to go there, and it was blanketed.  On the next play, Brady did throw to Welker, and Champ Bailey had great coverage.  The Broncos did a great job taking Welker away in the second half.

k.  Everybody knows I wasn't that high on the Knowshon Moreno pick when it was made, but I have come to really love this player.  He is going to be a superstar for years to come.  I especially appreciate his skill at picking up the blitz, which is rare for a rookie.

3.  Information From My Eyes, Other Games:

a.  I had the Bengals-Ravens game on my fixed screen Sunday, for the duration.  The key observation from that game is that I had it slightly wrong a couple weeks ago, when I said that the Ravens were without any glaring weaknesses.  Their cornerbacks are below average, and they can be killed outside the numbers.  Old friend Domonique Foxworth is a good guy, but an average-at-best player.  Fabian Washington isn't even as good as that.  Particularly if you can block the Ravens' pressure packages, there is a lot of opportunity for success.

b.  It is, however, best to stay out of the middle of the field, with any kind of risky throws.  Ed Reed is as great as ever, and we all know about Ray Lewis.  Reed made a couple big plays Sunday, stripping Chad Ochocinco on a long gainer before the first half ended, and then also returning an interception for a TD later.  The Bengals dominated this game, and Reed and Ray Rice were the Ravens' only real positives, and managed to keep the Ravens in it.

c.  Matt Cassel says he wants to find the right "anecdote" to losing.  The Chiefs ought to start by drafting a lot more speed, because they're the slowest team in the NFL, ahead of their opponent Sunday, Dallas.  The Chiefs are going to have another very high draft pick this year, because they are really horrible.  If I were Scott Pioli, I would do everything possible to get below the Top 10, because a third straight very high pick, along with Cassel's contract, is going to really mess up their salary structure, a la Oakland.  I would give a top pick away, straight-up, for the 12th pick, in their situation.  Bill Polian had it right when he said that you don't get good by picking high in the draft every year.  Unless you're taking a can't-miss QB, like Peyton Manning, nobody is worth the money you have to pay out.

d.  Speaking of the Chiefs, this has gone mostly under the radar, but they're not playing Derrick Johnson, their best linebacker.  He was their best defensive player in 2008, and now he's frozen out for some undisclosed reason.  If I were a 40-front team, I'd be calling the Chiefs before the trade deadline next week.  I bet he could be had for a 5th-rounder.

e.  Have you ever seen that show, Intervention, on A&E?  I know I have a pretty male-heavy readership, and it's mostly targeted toward a female demographic, so I ask, rather than assume.  Anyway, it's not what I would call uplifting television.  There's always some really troubled person, with drugs, or gambling, or compulsive shopping, or whatever.  Their family loves them, and wants to help get them on the straight and narrow, but addiction is really hard (my 3-year anniversary of quitting smoking is next Monday, so trust me, I have an idea about addiction). 

Anyway, the Jaguars remind me of an addict who is trying to get clean, and tries hard, and does well for a while, and then has a staggering, messy relapse.  Jacksonville's addiction is to playing undisciplined and stupid football.  The last two weeks, against Houston and Tennessee, the Jags had their act together.  Sunday, against Seattle, they relapsed, and got completely embarassed.  Rashean Mathis, a good CB, had a horrid game, and got out of position repeatedly.  I think Jack Del Rio's days have to be numbered, because his program just isn't getting the team to where they need to be.  I'm not picking them in any more games this year, either, unless it's against an obviously terrible team.  Sometimes, even though you may love the addict, they won't let themselves be helped, and you have to cut them off.

f.  The 49ers are not addicted to undisciplined football, but they sure played like the Jaguars West on Sunday.   Watching the Short Cut, I really feel like they lost their composure after Roddy White's 90-yard TD in the second quarter.  Nate Clements got beat on that play, and had a tough game overall.  The defense was physical, and maintained their run lanes, but didn't tackle well, at all.  I expect that Mike Singletary will re-focus his team, and they'll show better in their next game, after their bye.  Since they're clearly not built to play from behind, they need to establish early leads.

g.  A lot was made of Dre' Bly's idiotic celebration Sunday, but Donnie Avery deserves some scorn too, for dancing after a TD catch, when it made the score 31-10 Vikings, with 6 minutes to go.  That's just clown-like.  Hand the ball to the Field Judge, and get back to your sideline.

h.  Matt Schaub threw a noodle-armed out route Sunday, which Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie took back for the game-winning TD.  Even after that, Schaub drove the team the length of the field, before the Cardinals held them on 4th and goal from the 1.  The problem with being a zone-blocking team, as we've seen, is that you tend to struggle in short yardage situations, and the Texans really struggle with them.

i.  I got called "ignorant" once by our dear friend/Colts blogger BigBlueShoe for saying that Anthony Gonzalez was a below-average starter.  I considered it an honor, because I am happy to disagree with anybody.  (Evaluation is a function of what I see, not what anybody thinks they know, and by extension, that they think I should "know.")  In any case, Gonzalez, who is from 3 towns west of where I live, is going to stuggle to get on the field when he gets healthy.  Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon have done fantastic work this season, and they're both better players than Gonzalez.  Collie is smooth in his routes, and fundamentally sound, and Garcon is fast and fluid.  Gonzalez struggles to get off press coverage, and as Mike Shanahan once said, if you can't get off press coverage, you'll be selling cars before too long.

j.  The Steelers defense looks extremely beatable lately, especially if you can pass protect.  The Lions did a lot of good stuff offensively Sunday, and lost only because they couldn't contain James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley.  Trust me, they're not a terrible team team this season.

k.  Josh Johnson looked like an NFL starting QB on Sunday, which is an accomplishment, for your second career start, against a defense like Philadelphia's.  His stats were pedestrian (26-50, 240 yards, 2 TD, 3 INT with 5 carries for 40 yards), but he passed the eye test.  His throws were mostly accurate and decisive, and he was victimized by quite a few drops, at least 6 or 7. 

l.  I haven't gotten a great look at Jason Peters yet this regular season, and I have been wanting to.  Sunday's game didn't show me much, because Gaines Adams just looks clueless on the field.  LDE Jimmy Wilkerson got 3 sacks for the Buccaneers, and lazy analysis would lead me to criticize RT Winston Justice, who I am typically not a big fan of.  Thing is, I looked at the plays, and none were particularly bad plays by Justice.  One was an overload, where the RG picked up Wilkerson, and on the other two, Donovan McNabb rolled into a decently-blocked Wilkerson.

m.  ST&NO favorite Channing Crowder had a fantastic game on Monday Night, and really backed up his smack talk from the spring with Rex Ryan.  Another ST&NO favorite, Sean Smith, did not have a particularly great game.  He struggled a little with Braylon Edwards, and while he didn't embarass himself, he has looked a lot better in other games.  He was still the best CB the Dolphins had, as Vontae Davis and Will Allen both struggled worse.

n.  I called this just last Tuesday with Edwards.  He got out of Cleveland, and he's going to flourish in New York.  He always thought of Cleveland as a non-cosmopolitan place, even to a greater extent than what is really true.  (It's medium in its cosmopolitan-ness; well behind the major cities, but well ahead of a place like Jacksonville.)  Edwards also felt like Ohio fans secretly hated him because he is a Michigan guy.  The enmity between OSU and Michigan people is pretty real, for Big 10 country anyway, but Clevelanders are almost universally Browns fans before they're OSU fans.  It's an NFL town, first, no question about it.  If Edwards did well for the Browns, he'd have gotten plenty of love here.

My read on Edwards' personality, from living in the same town, is that the fact that he comes from a fairly affluent, two-parent, suburban background works against his ability to be a great player.  He knows he has options outside of football.  Poor kids need football, and many dedicate themselves fully to it, but I don't think Edwards has ever felt like he needs it.  (For an example, there's the famous story of him asking Will Demps how to get into modeling and acting, between plays, during a game with the Texans).

I expect that Edwards will be very good for the Jets, and get himself a good contract extension after this season.  New York is the town he wants to be in, and at his best, he can be like Tiki Barber, a guy who is interested in a lot of other stuff, but finally focuses pretty well on football, and has some good years under some tough coaching.  Just don't be the person who believes the nonsense about him being a bad player, because he is not one.

n.  The Dolphins offensive line is really one-dimensional, because their Tackles, Jake Long and Vernon Carey, severely lack foot quickness.  Both guys can really move defenders off the ball in the running game, though.  I am a big fan of Justin Smiley at LG; he's a mauler.  The Dolphins do well in their wildcat stuff, but I think they should play more with their QB under center, to generate opportunities in the play-action game.  It's the only way their QB will ever be able to consistently take a very deep dropback, unless they want to max-protect with a limited pattern.

o.  Wow.... two successful fake punts in one first half by the Jets.  I don't know if I have ever seen that before.  Brad Smith was almost stopped on the second one, but he managed to get away from the tackle.

p.  Chad Henne has looked much better than I thought he could play the last two weeks, but I am not sold on some things.  For one thing, since when do QBs have lousy, jail-house looking tattoos, or any tattoos at all?  It's like when an enlisted guy in the military becomes an officer, and suddenly looks a little different, sporting a bunch of ink.  (My buddy who is getting married in Dallas in about 2 weeks is actually one of these.)  Anyway, it's weird to see a QB with that going on.  As a player, he looked really good, though.

q.  Ted Ginn put a pretty humbling move on Darrelle Revis in the 4th quarter Monday Night.  When you hear scouts talk about suddenness, Ginn is not a guy who really has it, as opposed to somebody like Percy Harvin, who does.  Ginn does, however, have world-class speed once he gets going, and he ran by the outstanding Revis for a go-ahead TD.

r.  I usually ignore MNF while I write the bulk of ST&NO on Monday nights, but this Dolphins-Jets game was terrific.  Both of these teams are playoff-caliber teams, and only one of them will probably make it.

s.  The Packers had a bye week, and signed Mark Tauscher, which was smart.  I think he is below-average, (and so is Chad Clifton), but they are a damnsight better than Daryn Colledge and Allen Barbre.  If Aaron Rodgers can get sacked only 3-4 times per game, as opposed to 8-9, the Packers would have a better chance to beat good teams.  Rodgers does tend to hold the ball too long at times, and I am sure the Packers are working with him on that, as well.

t.  There were a lot of lousy games this weekend, which weren't particularly relevant to anything.  I didn't bother with them.  (That means you, Buffalo-Cleveland and Washington-Carolina.) 

4.  Between The Lines - Patriots at Broncos

a.  The Patriots pass-protected very well in this game, much better than I expected them to.  Matt Light and Nick Kaczur really held their own against Elvis Dumervil, Robert Ayers, and others.  The Broncos mostly tried to play coverage, and generally didn't blitz a lot, but the Patriots handled their 3- and 4-man rushes virtually every time.  Once Light was injured, and replaced by Sebastian Vollmer, I felt like the Patriots expressly didn't want to have him singled up on anybody, and they got more conservative with their protection calls.  Of course, on the key play where Vonnie Holliday sacked and stripped Brady, and Dumervil recovered, that was only a 4-man rush, and Vollmer was the victim.  The Patriots won this battle on volume, but he Broncos got the biggest play.

b.  The Broncos also were outstanding in protection.  Orton was never significantly pressured during the game, and the two sacks he took were both coverage sacks, delivered by LBs Rob Ninkovich and Tully Banta-Cain.  Ryan Clady and Ryan Harris were outstanding as usual.  Although Clady did have Banta-Cain on his sack, it's hard to call the play Ryan's fault.  Pressure up the middle forced Orton to step backwards, into the area where Clady had ridden Banta-Cain.  Sometimes you take a hit for doing your job right.  The interior was strong in protection too, especially Chris Kuper.  He does a great job anchoring against power rushers.  The Broncos were terrific in this area, and won it going away.

c.  The Patriots seemed to want to run the ball at Ryan McBean and Mario Haggan, and had a bit of success at it early with Sammy Morris.  After that, they seemed to get away from that plan, only running much from shotgun looks.  The Broncos defensive line was up to the task, consistently holding the line of scrimmage, as they have in all five games.  Noteworthy performances were turned in by Ronald Fields, Le Kevin Smith, and Kenny Peterson, in addition to McBean.  These big guys just continue to hold up.  Logan Mankins was tough for the Patriots, and Dan Koppen was steady and crafty.  Kaczur had a couple nice early blocks on the opening possession too.  This battle was pretty even, in the final analysis.

d.  Vince Wilfork was the best all-around player on the field on Sunday, and he couldn't be blocked.  If the Patriots don't pay him, I'll be shocked, but there are actually rumblings that they may not.  The rest of the Patriots defensive line got pushed around in the running game.  The Broncos blockers were terrific in opening up holes for Knowshon Moreno and LaMont Jordan.  Clady, Harris, and Kuper were especially noteworthy for their efforts in the running game.  Wilfork did make a key stop on third-and-short, and blew up Hamilton on the play.  Moreno's 4.2 yard average was a lot better than teams usually get from the Patriots.  This is a win for the Broncos.

e.  Remember a year ago, when the Patriots physically dominated the Broncos on both lines?  That did not happen Sunday.  The matchup was pretty even, with a slight edge going to the Broncos.  This was very important to the final outcome of the game, as always.

(I am scrapping the BTL feature for another game.  I am pretty overloaded lately, and I need to save the 90 minutes per week.  It seemed like the best place to cut from.  Sorry for anybody who will miss it.)

5.  Weird comment from Pat Kirwan on NFL.com:

5. Things I didn't like

When the visiting Patriots lost the coin toss in overtime and the Broncos drove the field and kicked a winning field goal, it left me wanting more than that to decide a winner. Wouldn't it have been great if, after Denver's field goal, Tom Brady had one drive to score a touchdown?

Is Kirwan saying that Brady should get even more special treatment, because he's Brady, or is he saying that the NFL should allow both teams to get the ball at least once in overtime, as a rule for all teams?  I typically like Kirwan's work, but this has me pretty confused.

And for the record, I don't think it would have been great if Brady had one drive to score a touchdown.  To me, moving down the field after winning the toss, and kicking a winning FG is legitimate.  I also think the Broncos play-calling would have been a bit different, once Knowshon Moreno got them inside the 30, if they felt like they really needed to play for a TD.

6.  Big up Lindsay Jones of the Denver Post, for reminding us, via Twitter, of somebody who hasn't come forth with their mea culpa yet.  I'm looking at you, Rick Reilly, purveyor of puff pieces. 

Actually, Reilly's words were more mean-spirited than anybody's, so he really owes Josh McDaniels an apology.

@DenverBroncos : Deadspin compiles all the not-so-nice things Rick Reilly wrote about McDaniels last spring. Pretty interesting. http://deadspin.com/5379838/delighting-in-rick-reillys-massively-wrong-broncos-predictions

I don't normally read Deadspin, but nice work by Tommy Creggs here.  Some interesting reminders:

Reilly on April 3rd:  "And none of it would've happened without McDaniels' ham-handed style and his Macy's-balloon ego. I have a buddy who honestly believes McDaniels thinks this is fantasy football; that Pat Bowlen gave him a whole team to play with and screw over in his own image and what the hell, if his moves don't work out, his league has a special "mulligan" rule and he can start over. Only there's no "oops" rule in the NFL. Years from now, the Cutler Catastrophe will go down as the dumbest thing in Boy Blunder's very short coaching career. By then, perhaps he will be your waiter at Olive Garden."

That was right after the Cutler trade.  Nice, huh?  Try this one out:

Reilly on April 29th: "To repeat: Boy Blunder used a [first-round pick] to take a second. And if the Broncos are going to be as lame as I think they're going to be-4-12 perhaps-that first-round pick will be very high. McDaniels is the worst combination of things: Terribly naïve and doubly confident. Bronco fans, you're screwed."

And one more pearl;

Reilly on September 29th:  "You can't just bolt your team because you think it's going to suck. (Which the Broncos are. There is no debating that. They are going to lose more than France. Just because you worked under Bill Belichick and you wear your sweatshirt like Bill Belichick does not mean you are Bill Belichick.)"

I would have been glad to debate Reilly on September 29th, or any other day.  And if Josh McDaniels was my waiter at Olive Garden, I'd tip him pretty well, because I tip well, and because I bet the service would be outstanding. 

I mean, like they say on ESPN, C'mon Man!  This drivel was worse than what came from any of the serious-ish reporters, right?  Your garden-variety John Clayton, Peter King, or Don Banks were smug and disconnected from reality, but it wasn't personal.  With Reilly, this was clearly PERSONAL.  Where are you at, Rick?  Being a Denver guy, I suspect you'll see this, or at least hear about it, from somebody who does.  Ted Bartlett from MileHighReport.com wants to know where you're at with this today, and is directly, publicly asking, on behalf of the thousands who realize how wrong you were, and think we have a great Head Coach.

Hell, if I find out that Chad Henne's tattoo is actually beautifully and tastefully done, and I had it all wrong, you can bet that I'll man up to it publicly.  Same goes for anything I ever say, in all seriousness.  Maybe accountability to readers is a blogger thing, I don't know.

7.  Retired for John Elway

8.  So, there's a hellaciously stupid line of thought that's circulating throughout the punditry (as always, meant negatively.)  It seems that there are two kinds of people: those who dichotomize, and those who don't.  The punditry tends to dichotomize, and there are two kinds of coaches right now.  Hot Coordinators (including some retreads like Mike Nolan, Gregg Williams, and Mike Mularkey), and Super Bowl Winning Retreads.  And lemme tell you, nobody wants a Retread.  Why not?  Because they're Retreads, stupid!

My favorite contrarian Andrew Perloff tells us so in his crack column Against The Grain: ("A weekly NFL column that heads in the opposite direction of your average pro football analysis."  Just in case you were wondering....)

3. The NFL information men are hot on the trail of finding out where former Super Bowl-winning coaches like Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren and Bill Cowher will end up. But shouldn't we be asking ourselves if those coaches are the right hires for franchises like Washington, Dallas and Carolina? A retread coach with a ring is still just a retread. Duplicating that kind of success is still a longshot in the NFL. Some of the organization problems within those teams would cause just as big a headache for a proven winner.

Perloff has a point about the organization problems, but calling somebody a retread, and assuming that they suddenly can't coach is asinine.  Analysts who don't know how to analyze always look for correlation, and assume causation, where there often is none. 

Some teams, like the Redskins and Cowboys, will almost certainly make big-splash hires.  Some, like the Bills and Jaguars, will be cost conscious, and probably hire a coordinator.  Some, like the Panthers, could go either way.  You can believe that whatever is deemed to be the trend du jour, (probably hiring coordinators), the other path will be criticized.  Such is life with the dichotomizing punditry.

9.  Another fun Ted Bartlett prognostication from the preseason:

The Broncos are going to have the best defense in the AFC West.

I guess I am just hot this year. :)

That's all I have for this week.  Have a great Tuesday, and beyond, and we'll see you Saturday for Lighting Up The Scoreboard, even as I will be at Notre Dame this weekend for their game against USC.  It will be my first time seeing Touchdown Jesus, so we'll see what that does for me as a guy who grew up Catholic.  Maybe I will tweet from the game.  Follow me at @TedBartlett905.  Thanks for reading, and go Broncos!!!

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Great read as always! Thanks so much for the effort!

Just curious, sounds like your father is not a Broncos fan, who’s he rooting for ;)?

Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands

by BroncosNL on Oct 13, 2009 6:45 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

ps. so Clady gave up his first sack?

Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands

by BroncosNL on Oct 13, 2009 6:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but it wasn't really his fault.

These things happen.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Oct 13, 2009 7:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fruitless Searching

Can I get a little help? I’ve spent an hour looking for sacks allowed statistics. Can you point me to a good source? Defense sacks are easy to find, but sacks allowed are not (at least for me).

by Endzone on Oct 13, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This drives me nuts!

I can never find sacks-allowed statistics. nfl.com only shows games played and games started for O-linemen. That is very disappointing. Nice job NFL.

by SkinnyPB on Oct 13, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saw That

But it still does not show individual player sacks allowed stats, only the team stats. The show all the defense player individual sack stats, but not the offensive player sacks allowed.

by Endzone on Oct 13, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

search for statsinc.

and then look under “oline” stats. You can look at individual players and find their penalties and sacks allowed. It isn’t 100% accurate, but to my knowledge it is the best out there, and by the end of the season it is correct enough for a clear picture of a player.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 13, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Went there

stats.com I think you have to be a member of their “StatsPass” for a fee. I was hoping for a non-fee based service.

by Endzone on Oct 13, 2009 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe stats.com is the canonical place for individual sacks allowed

Here’s Clady’s page, and according to their analysis, he was not responsible for the sack.

I have yet to see the individual sacks-allowed stat explained in detail though, and I’m skeptical of it. Not to be down on Clady at all (he is my favorite NFL player right now), but it’s just tough to pin down responsibility for a sack on a single offensive player, or even 2.

by appleshampoo on Oct 13, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try this

Don’t know how accurate this resource is, but:

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8789&team=7

Shows that he WAS given the sack allowed. What else is interesting is that in 21 games started in Clady’s career, he only has 4 penalties for 30 yards (only 1 holding and 1 false start). Unbelievably talented player that we were fortunate to land!

by kdawggydawg on Oct 14, 2009 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s just a stat, a number. Like Orton’s pick. Who really cares about a rather hollow number.

What I love is that Clady is (far and away) the best LT in the NFL. He is every bit as impactful as an Adrian Peterson or D Revis, both of whom are fawned over daily by the MSM. That Clady operates so far under the radar for one of the Top 10 players in the NFL is surprising. But we know what we got and we enjoy his excellence every Sunday. He has Hall of Fame talent and he is matching it with game day production.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Only Worrisome Thing

Isn’t this the first week after he cut his hair…and he gave up his first sack…

Coincidence?

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by Kfustud on Oct 13, 2009 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

His name is not Samson.

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by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO

Nice

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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Oct 13, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My dad roots for the local team, wherever he happens to live.

When i was a kid, we lived in CT, and he liked the Giants (Super Bowl XXI was how I came to be a Broncos fan, to spite him because he was yelling at my brother and I to shut up, so he could watch the game.) When he lived in Milwaukee in the mid-to-late 90s, he was a Packers fan, and no, he didn’t care for the result of Super Bowl XXXII at all. He wouldn’t even take my call that night. Now, living in Greater Cleveland, he roots for the Browns.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Oct 13, 2009 7:24 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like your father

is a true military brat. :) (I mean that kindly) I think if you have to move around a lot, you either develop an ability to meld with your surroundings, or you have trouble in life.

by BroncosBassist on Oct 13, 2009 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey now.....I resemble that remark....

I do believe that you have to meld with your surroundings, but often times a military brat will form an identity with one place and carry that with them. I.E. I have only lived in Colorado a total of 3 years throughout my life. 2 when I was too young to remember, and one for my Freshman year of college.

But I have always called that and my birthplace of Washington state my homes. And Been an avid Denver Fan since before I even knew what football was all about. lol

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- Thomas Alva Edison

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by DenBronx on Oct 13, 2009 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is like my dad

and that he roots for the local teams and then whoever my team plays just because.

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by weazel on Oct 13, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rick Reilly

I can see it now; the Ted Bartlett vs Rick Reilly debate. Maybe he’ll call you Chris Everett and you’ll clock him. Or maybe he’ll just keep it to football – and you’ll clock him. (Different guy, but same ad hominem style – Reilly).

Maybe you should have a Rick Reilly “waiting for the apology” countdown clock on each STaNSO article. That would be fun!

Great sutff as always, and rec’d!

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by Steve Nichols on Oct 13, 2009 7:11 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a great idea

But we need to come up with a disparaging nickname as well, something equal to “Boy Blunder”.

Seriously, what a jerk that guy is.

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 13, 2009 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rick Wrongly?

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by Darin H on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not bad, not bad

Betcha we at MHR can come up with many more….

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 13, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Douche Bag?

Why overcomplicate it?

by Lunchmeat1212 on Oct 13, 2009 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man... I REALLY like that apology clock idea!

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Oct 14, 2009 1:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the tatoo thing

It could be worse, He could have “Welcome Aboard” tatooed on his lower middle extremedy (sp) alas Kelsey Grammer in down periscope.

Great read and as usual highly rec’d

by papasteven on Oct 13, 2009 7:12 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

No one has been fantastic after reading a Mark Kiszla column. Most of us feel nauseous if we’re able to make it to the end of his dribble.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 7:18 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

In Pat Kirwan's defense....

He said the same thing on Sirius radio, but was VERY effusive in his praise of the Broncos, Kyle Orton, Josh McDaniels and the whole organziation.
He said Denver are for real, and will continue to be.
He has been beating the drum about the overtime rule for ever, and he took nothing away from Kyle Orton. His point being that it would lead to more aggressive play in over time where teams with first possession would not play just for FG’s. In the context of the game, he tought it would have been interesting to see if Tom Brady could have matched Kyle Orton.
Nothing inflammatory here, just an honest opinion with no disrespect to the Broncos.

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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Oct 13, 2009 7:20 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't tell from reading...

but I figured that was what he meant. His text just came across as a bit confusing to me.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Oct 13, 2009 7:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...especially from that NFL article.....

But he had some good points. I think, for him, that such a close fought game gets decided on luck bugs, and the game just highlighted it for him.
Great article as normal Ted and thanks for all your hard work!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Oct 13, 2009 7:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NFL overtime rules are dumb and frustratingly unfair.

Both teams should get one crack at the football. A stupid coin should have no impact on which team wins an NFL football game.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that the NFL system is very unfair for high school, college…any other level. But I don’t mind it for the NFL. At that level, if you don’t have a defense that can make a stop when it absolutely counts, I don’t know what to tell you.

Besides, Brady did have a chance to win the game in regulation, with Denver keeping the drive artificially alive twice. Defense made the stop, and New England Boston couldn’t do it in OT.

Now, my opinion my change a bit if Denver loses the OT coin toss AND the game… :o)

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by Disco_Stu on Oct 13, 2009 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. If Denver had lost the coin toss?

It’s a dumb system. Like penalty shots in soccer.

The NFL is too great a sport to have a stupid coin have such a profound impact on which teams win and lose in overtime.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The coin has nothing to do with it

I happen to love the sudden death nature of NFL overtime. And the coin toss has nothing to do with outcome of the game, no matter what the statistics say. I’d bet the mental letdown of losing the flip has more of an impact than the actual losing of the coin toss — and an NFL team should be mentally tough enough to overcome that.

by JeffG on Oct 13, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That stats refute your claim of no impact.

If you don’t believe the stats, you are entitled to that belief. But I don’t find your argument to be compelling. I believe the winner of the coin toss has a massive advantage of 1st possession (and often only possession).

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is...

It takes a certain kind of team to win OT games, and it’s not representative of what it takes to win in regulation. If you have a dynamic offense, and a bend-but-don’t-break defense…. you have a good team. Hold them to field goals, score touchdowns.

But once you get to OT, this formula no longer works. That’s a fundamental error in the rules.

by SkinnyPB on Oct 13, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could not agree more. The overtime rules significantly change the formula for how football games are won or lost.

It shouldn’t be that way. There should be no advantage or disadvantage in OT that is distinctly different from the regulation 60 minutes of the game.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the best argument I've heard against NFL overtime

Granted, I don’t partake in a lot of these discussions. I’m a fan of the college style overtime, even though it does lead to longer games sometimes.

by appleshampoo on Oct 13, 2009 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

They should start at

midfield That’s my only beef with college OT play. It would shorten the game. Seems NFL could adopt something like that.

by papasteven on Oct 14, 2009 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tried to look it up but I can’t find it — what percentage ends on one possession?

I kept finding stats saying 60%, but that doesn’t mean a thing to me since there are multiple possessions included in that stat

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by Todd Jewell on Oct 13, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

They did not score in the second half

Do you honestly think our D could not have stopped the Pats one more time in OT? Don’t get me wrong, I am happy we won the toss and just put the game away. However, I was not at all worried about who had the ball first. Hell, our specials teams gave them 3 drives in one and they still could not make anything happen. We fully owned all momentum at that point, we just needed a couple of extra minutes.

by Lunchmeat1212 on Oct 13, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 on your initial statement

This is the friggin NFL. You want to win in OT and lost the flip? Man up and stop somebody. I’ve had enough of this OT debate. It is as silly as the “Cover Brady’s @$$” rules the NFL has been implementing.

Throws Brady a skirt

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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Oct 13, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard a great OT solution on Mike & Mike in the morning a few weeks ago.

First team to 6 points wins. This way, you still have all 3 phases of the game (unlike college with has a terrible OT system)

So if you win the toss and drive down and score a TD, you deserve to win. But if they can hold you to a FG, you have to get another FG (or keep the lead until OT runs out).

Just a thought, but it’s the only good solution I’ve ever heard.

by SkinnyPB on Oct 13, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

There are two options I like for the NFL

The first one is what exists now…but only because, as I said above, this is the NFL.

The second is to make OT be 5 to 10 minutes long and let it go, winner is the team with the highest score after that. I don’t like systems that have the teams taking turns. If a team could take the OT kickoff, wear almost all the time off the clock, then get a field goal, congrats to them. This system would keep a quick fumble and field goal from winning the game immediately, however…something to that.

I know the sentiment is “the losing team fought all game, got to OT, then lost on the luck of a coin flip.” But on the other hand, the winning team fought all game, got to OT, won the flip, then executed on offense. IMO, there was time for either team to win it in regulation, and neither team did…and the cost is needing to make plays immediately in OT. Whichever team does so wins.

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by Disco_Stu on Oct 13, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they should do it the way its done in college football, but no PATs. Just 2 point conversions.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only problem I have here

Is that you have entirely removed special teams from the equation. No kickoffs, punting, return game, or field goals. That’s a lot of the game that you just remove from the sport in OT.

by SkinnyPB on Oct 13, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not perfect, but its better than getting a silly little coin involved.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe The Team Further East

Should Just Win.

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- George Washington Carver

How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels

by Kfustud on Oct 13, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh

I see. It would have been interesting, but Kirwan should look at the game results again. Tom Brady had two (2) possessions after the Broncos final touchdown to win the game. Three, if you count the 07 second kneel-down. Brady had his shot to match Orton on the day, and he failed. Twice. I’m not one for smack-talk, but that’s the simple truth.

by BroncosBassist on Oct 13, 2009 7:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Know BB. I am right there with you....

He out Bradyed Brady.
I think Kirwan means it league wide….
We have no apologies. We went toe to toe and won….and a big part of this was the outstanding play of KO!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Oct 13, 2009 7:59 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I do get the frustration with the overtime rules, though. Only a strong all-around team can win if they don’t win the toss. Or a lucky one. :)

by BroncosBassist on Oct 13, 2009 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I don’t think it takes anything away from our win. We played better on Sunday, and I think we could have won even if we lost the toss. However, that doesn’t mean that the OT rules are any good.

by SkinnyPB on Oct 13, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

One up on you Ted

I a post draft post I predicted the Broncos to start the season at 5-0 and named the games. I will keep quite however, cuz right now I really do not like the next three games I called – here is hoping that ‘my’ win streak ends. From http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/29/859215/grab-the-koolaid-and-get-ready

Blockquoted paragraph "Week one through three are a godsend! These are fairly easy tests for a team that will not yet have come together and a defense that is still working out its timing. All three wins! Dallas will prove to be the first test. The D struggles a little bit but the running game takes off in high gear. Denver wins. NE comes to town in one of the biggest hypes todate. The 4-0 Broncos v the 3-1 Pats. Can you say party central? Everyone is up for the game, good week of practice, all bodies healthy and ready to go. Denver wins in a defensive show down. "

by Flunkie on Oct 13, 2009 7:21 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done Flunkie!!!!

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Oct 13, 2009 7:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are the Lotto #'s for next week?

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by Darin H on Oct 13, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read an article earlier this season that said the Chiefs are playing about $7,000,000 under the NFL minimn salary floor.

So they can afford the cap hit of another Top 5 pick because their ownership is cheap. Hopefully they draft another BUSTer like Ryan Sims, Fat Albert, Derrick Johnson and Glenn Dorsey.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 7:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My point goes more toward a disparity in salaries

Where too much money is tied up in a very few players. You end up not being able to afford quality role players in a situation like that. Think the last few years of Kobe and Shaq being together with the Lakers. They had two superstars and 13 minimum-salary stiffs.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Oct 13, 2009 7:27 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand.

But the Chiefs have missed on so many draft picks that they don’t have to worry about signing stars like a Phil Rivers to mega 2nd contract after a rookie deal expires. Five years after the Chiefs make a high draft pick, that draft pick is usually with another team or out of the league all together. That is one way to avoid the cap problems they have in San Diego or we will have in Denver as guys like BM, Elvis, Orton, Ryan Harris, Clady, etc come up for 2nd contracts.

Doesn’t look like the Chefs are going to sign Derrick Johnson to a new deal does it. And I’ve seen enough of Fat Alberts and Dorsey to know neither of those two are going to be NFL stars worthy of those mega dollar 2nd contracts.

Other than Brandon Flowers, the Chefs have no young players that look like NFL stars. They don’t have any aging greats either.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 7:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perloff

Didn’t say that they couldn’t coach, he said that they’d have difficulty duplicating their prior successes. Which is a perfectly reasonable statement. (Trust me, I don’t want to defend Andrew Perloff.)

And Reilly’s beef had more to do with his golf buddy Shanahan than anything else. He stopped being anything but a shill for his celebrity pals years ago…

by Remember Keith Kartz! on Oct 13, 2009 7:39 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think assuming they can't is far less reasonable than assuming they can

A guy like Mike Shanahan or Mike Holmgren has proven he can win in the NFL, so expecting them to suddenly turn into losers doesn’t make sense, in my opinion.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Oct 13, 2009 7:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn’t quote the part in Andrew Perloff’s article where he said Denver would have lost by 14 if the game was in New England. Which was a direct response to his claim the week before that Denver would be 4-4 after week 8. Sour grapes from a contrarian.

Andrew Perloff is must read Monday morning comedy for me. He is ever so slightly more talented than Bill Williamson.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 7:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a reason why Perloff's article gets stuck on the fannation page...

He’s got no clue – wasn’t he the lowly intern who selected the questions for Dr Z (god I hope he gets better) just a couple of years ago? I think he might’ve maxed out his talent there.

I’ll predict it right here and now – Shanahan and Cowher will be sucessful head coaches in the NFL.

Cowher never wasn’t a good coach – he retired to be with his family and watch his daughters play HS volleyball. and could you blame him – the CBS analyst postion is a nice gig and he’s worked hard to deserve a few cushy years. Calling him a retread simply doesn’t make sense.

I can understand calling Shanahan a retread becuase he was fired, but I still disagree. Shanahan may have lost the locker room in Denver, and his play calling got a little stale, but I think that was due to being stretched to thin with the GM role. He’s very well-respected in the NFL and used his connections to observe a few training camps this summer. you can bet your bottom dollar he hasn’t missed a minute of football this year – he’s watching and scemeing for next year. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder isn’t sneaking him some coaches film under the table just so he can study it at home. He’ll be back next year, tanned, rested and ready to focus on being a HC.

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Oct 13, 2009 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Shanny would be a perfect fit in Dallas, coming in after Wade just like he did in Denver, with a veteran QB and some decent talent across the board. He’d be just what the doctor ordered there. Don’t know enough about Washington to say there, but with the open pocketbook Snyder keeps, he’d be able to have his way.

Richard Seymour is a girl.

by pubkeeper on Oct 13, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

Shanny in Dallas? Where Jerry Jones breaks down the game for the media, sits in on drafts, has a radio show, and wants all the credit and none of the blame?

Hardly. Shannahan would be crazy to take that gig. Honestly? I can see him ending up in SD and eventually running A.J. Smith out of town.

by JeffG on Oct 13, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point taken

I just think that Shanny would be able to make it work there. Jones backed off when Parcells was there, I think he’d do the same with Shanny.

Richard Seymour is a girl.

by pubkeeper on Oct 13, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shanny to SD is my official prediction

He needs a HC-only job, IMO. AJ Smith may be hard to get along with, which is a roadblock. but he has consistently built a very talented roster (he pulled off the only two trades out of the #1 spot this decade, and each of them paid very nice dividends for SD)

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Oct 13, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He might not want to, but he might not have a choice

Who’s going to offer him the whole gig? Jones and Snyder might, but that’s a moot point becuase they are de facto GM’s anyway. The last couple of years seemed to really wear on him – he might welcome a somewhat easier workload.

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Oct 13, 2009 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shanny + AJ Smith = bad marriage. Too much ego.

If that happens, it will fail.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but...

If they can make it work, if only for a couple of years, They could really make some noise. And don’t you think Shanny would relish the opportunity to face the Broncos twice a year? I’ll be he’s already got a couple of ideas in his head regarding how to attack Nolan’s D. I might be going out on a limb here, but I’ll bet that Shanahan remakes his offense as a version of the spread, with an emphasis on attacking the 3-4. The Broncos O the last two years hardly resembled the WC offense anyway.
And SD badly needs some coaching – I can’t remember the last time they had a decent coach (and don’t even mention Shottenheimer). I understand the risks, but to me they partes involved all have enough to offer each other that it just might work.

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Oct 13, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Shanahan hates the broncos.

He may be disappointed in the way it went down. But it’s not like the raiders situation. He did not get shat upon by the broncos. Far from it.

by SkinnyPB on Oct 13, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

He gets paid to watch TV now… The $5 million dollar shat…

Richard Seymour is a girl.

by pubkeeper on Oct 13, 2009 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he hates them either

But his ego and competitiveness are such that he’ll want revenge. I doubt he’ll hold the grudge like he did with the raiders, becuase they added insult to the injury. but you can’t tell me he won’t be motivated.

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Oct 13, 2009 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No noise from SD.

Based on poor drafts from 2006 thru 2009, San Diego is no longer an attractive team to coach. Their window to win the Super Bowl is just about shut.

They have gone from 14-2 to 11-5 to 8-8 and look every bit like an 8-8 team again this season.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

They consistently replace their old/injured players

Just look at the RB talent they’ve had behind L.T with Michael Turner and Sproles. They’re lacking in the defensive front 7 right now, but elsewhere they’ve got talent – decent CBs, decent O line, good QB and RB’s, one good WR and a couple adequate. The window you talk about was a wasted opportunity mostly due to poor coaching.

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Oct 13, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And age. You are giving their roster too much credit.

They are poor at RB. Just look at how low they rank in overall rushing. LT is no where near the player he was a few years ago. Sprols is a great third down back, but even die-hard SD fans doesn’t think he can be an every down back at 180lbs.
Their O-line is probably better than average, but McNeil is vastly overrated and their RT is a liability. Their RG is a rookie that hasn’t proven anything other than he gets hurt. I like Hardwick and Dielman… Good players. Jackson, Gates and Rivers are very dangerous, but Chambers and the other WRs are not scary.

They have two good CBs in Jammer and maybe Cason, but Hart is awful and Weddle gets abused in run support. Their front seven is really struggling and their D-line is a mess compared to years past.

Based solely on talent, the 2009 Chargers are an 8-8 team. And since they lack good young talent to make up for the falloff from aging stars like LT, Jammer and Gates, they won’t be better in 2010.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice snap, McG

i don’t read the man, but that line gave me the perfect image of why…

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Oct 13, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ted, do you remember the NFL having so many awful teams in one year during the salary cap era?

Is it me or are the Rams, Chefs, Raiders, Browns, Bills, and Tampa Bay truly that pitiful; bad enough to be a shoe-in for the #1 overall pick in previous seasons.

The Jags, Titans, Redskins, Panthers and Lions are noticeably better than that bunch above and yet, they are still quite terrible in their own right.

By my count, there are 11 disgraceful to really bad football teams this season that would end up drafting in the Top 5 overall if this had been another year.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 7:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, there are a lot of bad teams

The NFL’s big strength over other leagues has always been its ability to maintain some parity, but that’s not been the case this year.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Oct 13, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Great point…you wouldn’t think it would be like that with the “parity” the NFL has built into the system.

I’m sure some of those teams will pick themselves up by the end of the season. If not I bet it will generate a lot of talk and analysis on what works and what doesn’t.

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Oct 13, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed McG...

We could have a couple of teams go 0-16…and a least a couple be 1-15….Parity has vanished. The reason? Coaching and player evaluation….those that have it prosper, those that dont become the raiduhs!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Oct 13, 2009 8:02 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

sneak
h. I want to see a QB sneak on a short yardage play one of these days. I am tired of seeing these handoff plays get blown up by quick penetration, usually over Ben Hamilton.

Yeah this is the one thing I hate about the McD gameplan so far. They have been stuffed time and time again on these 3rd/4th and short.

2 options they need:
1) QB Sneak — let the neckbeard pick up the inches
2) Fake Inside and flip it wide to Moreno. This is the one play that Shanahan ran that I actually miss. They are now packing the middle, so the fake with a slip out will be wide open – plus it will open up the middle for the rest of the season, as they have to respect that play.

by hallandnash on Oct 13, 2009 8:08 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Misdirections, off tackle, Hillis as FB and stright ot him...even a toss....running behind Hamilton and Wiegmann aint getting it done!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Oct 13, 2009 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think

Olsen can replace Hamilton by the end of the year?

... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear

by 3nS on Oct 13, 2009 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Been thinking the same thing

Mix it up on 3rd and 4th and short. A short pass, like the one to Eddie on 3rd and short in overtime, would be a good change of pace as well.

Raider fan, thewheel's spinning, but the hamster's dead.

Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.

by 53guys on Oct 13, 2009 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loved the Fake FB dive and toss.

That play was money in the bank for Shanahan. One of a few plays that I miss these days, and I was shouting for it on Sunday.

- Jason

Horton is WIN - HORVIL TIKI

by jubei on Oct 13, 2009 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Red zone short yardage plays seem to be this team’s weakness at this point, and I’m kind of baffled by the lack of a QB sneak. Concern about injuries, maybe?

I have faith they’ll get it figured out, it’s too important not to get it squared away.

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 13, 2009 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with the QB sneak is...

Wiegmann is 40-50 lbs lighter than most NTs and DTs. Casey does a great job of using strength, leverage, and intelligence to move those big fellas around in the running game. His work against Kris Jenkins last year in NY was a thing of beauty. Ben Hamilton is similar. When these guys are forced to line-up mano-e-mano and get a push against physical specimens like Sean Rodgers or Vince Wilfork, they are over-matched.

However, I’m confident that our staff will find a way to convert these short yardage situations with regularity. Whether it’s the fake dive toss, short passing game, or naked bootlegs, it shouldn’t be a huge problem. If you do enough of the misdirection stuff, defenses will have to be ready for it and should our boys in the middle a little more breathing room.

by ButteBronco on Oct 13, 2009 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad Teams

Last year, the Pack finished 7-9 and had a positive scoring differential. They drafted 9th. This year, I can see a scenario in which the Jags, a terrible team by most standards, finish 5-11 and pick 11th.

My favorite stat goes like this: There are so many bad teams out there, the Redskins have yet to play a team with a victory.

The crazy thing is, when bad teams play one another, somebody has to win. Detroit is still terrible. The Browns looked unfathomably bad in beating the Bills. Maybe if I looked through the schedules, I’d see that enough bad teams will play one another that someone by definition has to make it to 6-10.

Hat tip to McGeorge for flagging this first. I spent an hour on the phone talking about it with a good friend last night. It’s just weird.

by Chibronx on Oct 13, 2009 8:23 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That Bills-Browns football game may have been the worst NFL gamed played in decades. I tried to watch some of the 2nd half because I had a feeling that game will be remembered and recited in the future. Probably not, but like Bill Simmons says "It was historically bad".

The winning QB finished 2-17 with 23 yards and one pick. There are several college QBs that could have stepped into the Browns starting lineup Sunday morning and played better than D Anderson. I am not kidding or trying to be funny. Several college QBs.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, there was a Jets-Redskins game from the Rich Kotite era in which the score was something like 6-3 or 9-6. That game would probably give this one a run for the money.

Of course, Richie Kotite might be a distinctive improvement for lots of these franchises. Ouch!

by Chibronx on Oct 13, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you see how the Browns won the game Sunday? The Browns won solely because of a mishandled punt late in the 4th quarter. A failed Browns possession leading punt where the Bills failed to catch the ball. Failure all over the field. It was the perfect way for that debacle of a game to end.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most Annoying Thing Ever

I took the Bills at home to win.

When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver

How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels

by Kfustud on Oct 13, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Miami - Pittsburg game two years ago was pretty bad

The one in the rain, with the sod that had been beaten up by a HS foot ball tournament earlier in the weekend. I think the steelers ended up winning it 3-0 in overtime, but I was pulling for a 0-0 tie. it was actually so bad it was good.

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Oct 13, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that game was heavily impacted by the elements (fun to watch).

The Bills Browns game impacted only by the shame of awful players/coaches.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I suppose it's not quite the same...

But I enjoyed it immensely. Something about the combination of back-to-basics mud slinging football and the absurdity of some of the world best, most highly trained athletes being reduced to near incompetence by ol’ mother nature.

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Oct 13, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that game was heavily impacted by the elements (and fun to watch because of it).

The Bills Browns game was impacted only by the shame of awful players/coaches.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 13, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deja read.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Oct 13, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

RBs

A number of current NFL runningbacks could have had better days passing than Derek Anderson, Ronnie Brown for one.

by gyldenlove on Oct 13, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches

A number of NFL QB coaches would have played better than Derek Anderson.

"Horton is win." -Horvil Tiki 4/13/2009
Jedi McD is my hero.

by jack_ on Oct 13, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Redskins stat is amazing—and don’t they play KC next week?

I frequent The Big Lead, and one of the Redskins homers there was basically counting the Broncos as a victory two weeks ago. Wonder what he’s thinkin’ now…

by Remember Keith Kartz! on Oct 13, 2009 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stats

My favorite stat was Dallas’ schedule so far.

Each team they have lost two was undefeated and each team they have beaten were winless.

When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver

How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels

by Kfustud on Oct 13, 2009 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

those wins you picked over the ravens and steelers still look good!

i asked john bena about this on MHR radio and he agreeds, the ravens defense is as good as everyone is making them out to be. they are a vertical passing team with a strong running attack which i think we have good personnel and schemes against on defense. the steelers, the superbowl champions, are an inconsistent team. that will be an interesting game. during MHR radio john also mentioned some ridiculous numbers for our team in the 2nd half. 2-31 for opponents on 3rd downs, 0-17 in the past 3 games, outgaining them 1100- 500, and outscoring them 53-7. The pittsburgh steelers epic breakdowns in the 4th quarter have been well documented.

you were right on at the beginning. take that psychic brain of yours to vegas!

by march20 on Oct 13, 2009 9:01 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Steelers

Will they have Polamalou (?) back by the time the Broncos get ’em? He makes a HUGE difference on that D.

Richard Seymour is a girl.

by pubkeeper on Oct 13, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. And he does.

The Steelers aren’t the Steelers without him. Even so, but for a couple of mixed kicks they beat Chicago.

by JeffG on Oct 13, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not just their defense,

their offense has been horrendous in the 2nd half as well. just for some reason, all around as a team, they haven’t been very good in the 2nd half.

by march20 on Oct 13, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

Their offense doesn’t scare me in the least. I caught the Tennessee game and the SD game and neither game impressed me with their offense. I know that sounds crazy with them hanging 30+ on the Chargers, but the dolts looked like they just wanted to go home after the opening drive.

Richard Seymour is a girl.

by pubkeeper on Oct 13, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Breakdown

I enjoyed the read. It is interesting to watch Baltimore because for the first few weeks the defense wasn’t as good as what we expect in Baltimore. Lately however, they haven’t looked very good. I know it is hard for people to pick the Bengals to hold onto their divisional lead but I could see it.

Of all the people to beat Revis I wasn’t expecting Ginn. I have never liked him and have argued with Dolphins fans desperate to point out his good sides but he got them that play.

When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver

How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels

by Kfustud on Oct 13, 2009 9:16 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Only If We

can pay him as one.

When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver

How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels

by Kfustud on Oct 13, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of which

Allen Rossum was let go by the 9er’s yesterday. He’s a solid KR and PR that may be had for cheap.

Richard Seymour is a girl.

by pubkeeper on Oct 13, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bengals game

I watched part of the Bengals Ravens game to scout the Ravens and I have to say they are not that good looking. On offense the run game looks pretty vanilla and if not for some pretty poor tackling and gap integrity by the Bengals linebackers on some plays it could have gotten ugly. I think the speed we have up front should help us close down the Ravens run game on early downs although I expect they will be able to convert a lot of short yard runs on us.

On defense the Ravens look decent without being scary, they are weak to the outside both deep and short, I think a game plan like the one we had against the Patriots with short passes on hitch routes and outs and and tight ends going wide can take advantage of their play. For running the ball I think we are going to have to try to stretch the field and get them moving sideways like we did against Dallas.

The Ravens pass block better than I thought they would, it will be hard to get pressure unless we can really blanket the secondary and get some coverage sacks.

by gyldenlove on Oct 13, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morning TB and nice read

To Kirwin on the OT rules. Leave them the way they are. Forget if Brady doen’t get his shot. Tell his defense to do something and maybe he would have had one. The Broncos have been on that end of the stick the last couple of years on OT games…..lost the toss and lost the game. That is the way it is so leave it. The NFL already made that stupid “Brady” rule about not tackling a QB by the knees after he got hurt……rediculous rule change. We don’t need to make another rule for him.

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by weazel on Oct 13, 2009 9:44 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The OT rule doesn't have anything to do with Brady

Kirwan was just using the brady example to illustrate his point – the average NFL fan who has no stake in the game wants to watch the star QB get a chance in OT. Or at least the MSM seems to think so. personally, I appreciate a defensive struggle the way baseball fans appreciate a pitcher’s duel. but the media and the NFL seem to think that the only thing that sells tickets and keeps eyballs glued to the screen is heroics from the superstar QB’s. I doubt that’s really true – it underestimates the intelligence of the vast majority of the casual fan- but I don’t have any way of proving it. (and don’t even get me started about the superbowl weather rule. I personallay think the public at large might really enjoy a knock-down drag out blizzard of a superbowl. but I’ll get all off on a rant if I don’t limit myself here)

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Oct 13, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff Ted, thanks!

btw, Congrats on the smoking thing. My two year quit smoking anniversary is January 7, 2010. It was a tough thing to overcome, but well worth it.

I was a smoker from age 14-29. Quite glad I am back to having been a non-smoker longer than a smoker. ;)

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Oct 13, 2009 10:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow. It's been 9 years for me.

Seems like only yesterday I was chaining American Spirits.

Kinda want one now, in fact. Sigh…

by JeffG on Oct 13, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

September 19, 2006 for me

Cold Turkey. I am proud of that accomplishment. 28 years of supporting RJ Reynolds, what a waste.
Thanks Ted for the weekly ST&O.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
Breaking jaws or the NFL in Oakland who cares? Fall on your pirate’s sword - Ponderosa

by KaptainKirk on Oct 13, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of Plummer questions

I’m a Denver native who lost a lot of interest in the Broncos during the past few years. Also a Chicagoan for the past decade who always thought Orton got a raw deal from the Bears. Now back on the wagon big time.

I’m curious to know what people’s thoughts are on Jake Plummer, now that the Cutler era has passed. He did, after all, lead his team to three consecutive playoff seasons, a winning record in his final season, and the only playoff win of the post-Elway era. Was he undercut by Shannahan unfairly? Or was he really just a lucky guy in a good system who didn’t get it done on the biggest stages? And thinking back to his Pat Tillman advocacy, do you think that may have contributed to his issues with the (politically conservative) erstwhile head coach?

Go Broncos, let’s get some revenge on Monday!

by jakester on Oct 13, 2009 10:32 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Jake, there aren’t many Broncos-Sox fans out there. I can count you, me and, um. I see you go for Loyola — is there anywhere you watch games on the far North side?

by Chibronx on Oct 13, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

go White Sox!

I really should add the Rockies to my profile, too, but I’m more of a Sox fan. Unfortunately, there are no great sports bars in Rogers Park/ that I know of, but usually the bartenders at a given place have no problem putting a Sox game on. If I want to go somewhere with a good atmosphere for a football game, usually I venture farther south. I’m guessing Hamilton’s in Edgewater is a pretty happening place, but I’m about 15 years too old to be there.

by jakester on Oct 13, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jake

I personally thought Jake had maxed out in ‘05. I respect that football was not the “be all, end all” for him, but as a QB in this league, that’ll hurt your career as it did his. I was disappointed that he collapsed in on himself the way he did when Cutler was drafted. He should’ve adopted the “I’ll show ’em” approach and worked that much harder, but instead, he allowed it to get to him and wrote his own ticket out of town.

I still like the guy as a person, tho. His relationship to Tillman, his mountain man attitude. I actually liked it when he flipped off the clown in the stands (who turned out to be a friend of a friend of mine). I wish he would’ve been successful, always did, but did not feel he got a “raw deal” from Shanny, still don’t.

Richard Seymour is a girl.

by pubkeeper on Oct 13, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's about it on Plummer

I think Shanny thought he could mold him into kind of an “Elway Light” – cut down on the mistakes and keep the dynamic playmaking. I think by 2005 it seemed that Plummer had maxed out his potential. that year Shanahan really reigned plummer in, and may have alreday been planning on drafting a QB in 2006 (when we traded our #1 to DC for the #1 we later used to move up for Cutler). personally, I really liked Plummer. I miss the naked bootleg – he ran that better than anyone not names Elway IMO. And were it not for the cutler pick, They might’ve made the playoffs in ’06

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Oct 13, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also. there's this:

href=“http://www.theonion.com/content/node/44622” target="new">

one of my favorite Onion captions ever!

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Oct 13, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sweet!

That’s an awesome find!

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Oct 13, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOW HAVE I NEVER SEEN THIS?!

Thanks dude…going in my facebook feed momentarily.

by appleshampoo on Oct 13, 2009 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that take

Although, I think he got to a point where he said to himself “You know, I just don’t need this cr*p any more. I’ve made plenty of money, to heck with the NFL.” and that was that. I really think Jake became disillusioned with both pro sports and the NFL. I’m also of the opinion that the death of Pat Tillman in Afghanistan changed his outlook on life fairly significantly.

Jakester, if you’re a Plummer fan, you should run out right now and get “A Few Seconds of Panic”. GREAT insight into Plummer the man, vs Jake the QB.

Read it today- you’ll thank me later. ;)

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 13, 2009 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll do it, AllBoncs

Thanks for the rec – amazing at how few Broncos are left from that 2006 team. One of the things that drove me away from the NFL was the impermanence so embedded in the free agency era. Was it worse with the Broncos, I’m wondering?

by jakester on Oct 13, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno man

I think it is what it is- the FA Genie’s out of the bottle and the age of the Mercenary has begun. I do think it was worse with the Broncos, especially in the last 3 years of the Shanahan era.

I agree with you though, it’s very difficult to cheer for a team of mercenaries that really couldn’t care less about the town or the fans.

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 15, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Snake

I was pissed at first when they dumped Griese and picked up Plummer – essentially dumping a guy with potential that had had a few shining moments but overall been mediocre….for the same guy (obviously they were different, but I think that holds true for both of them).

But being from Boise, ID (Jake’s hometown) and having vague memories of when he went to 2 state championships and won 1 (and rushed for a ridiculous number of yards for a QB), I got behind him and really enjoyed the ‘03-’05 seasons. I really liked his wild hair and beard too.

As for his play, I don’t think Shanny gave him a raw deal. He was underperforming and got the boot. Even most of the ardent Plummer supporters will admit that. I wish he had had a few more good years, but you can’t fault the guy for retiring to northern Idaho with his hot cheerleader wife to play handball with his brother.

Also, any Plummer fans out there – replica Plummer jersey for $40 on Amazon. I bought one last year – decent price even though it’s just a replica.

by appleshampoo on Oct 13, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, tonight I am laughing out loud

normally, I just like the insight….from the Jags’ addict thing to the Reilly call out to the military metaphor (simile?? I’ll let you literary agents set me straight) on Henne I was dying and rooting for you.

Love the B. Edwards insights…..that is the kind of personal psychological breakdown (not nasty either) that doesn’t get written enough…of course, there is a reason, it takes great insight…..awesome!

Your historically detailed tracking of speculation makes me think I need to come clean….I said you were wrong on Flacco and Ryan was surely better. Looks like you were on the money with Flacoo….after Sunday, I think Ryan is still right there, but I never expected Flacco to come on….great call.

I love J.Johnson, its too bad he is doomed to get the blame and no coaching from that horrible Bucs staff.

You mentioned DJs miscue, sometimes I worry if he’s mistake prone in a detail oriented system….I think we’ll find out over the long haul. I didn’t like the Priefer blowup…..the duration of it really showed his youth.

by BideshiBronco on Oct 13, 2009 10:38 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a thought.

If Orton does become our franchise qb, and we retire his number, will you retire 8. for Kyle Orton?

by Thnikkaman on Oct 13, 2009 11:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I've already said, if Orton wins a Super Bowl, he owns it.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Oct 13, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Living in the Philly area I watched Josh Johnson on Sunday and was pulling for him. There are very few players in the NFL who played non-scholarship football in college. He is one of them.

Here’s a shout out to all the Broncos fans who picked up there affection for the Broncos while their father (or mother) was stationed in Colorado for a few years. I saw my first Broncos game on TV in 1980 while my dad was stationed at Ft. Carson and I have been a fan ever since.

Good blog as always TB. Rec’d

by DE_BroncoFan on Oct 13, 2009 11:33 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Chargers will be outcoached.

Coach McD and Nolan are better coaches than Norv and Co.. Coaching will be the difference. Broncos go 6-0.

by Adam Manter on Oct 13, 2009 11:44 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Holliday sack
Of course, on the key play where Vonnie Holliday sacked and stripped Brady, and Dumervil recovered, that was only a 4-man rush, and Vollmer was the victim. The Patriots won this battle on volume, but he Broncos got the biggest play.

That play had Ayers on Vollmer who was helped out by Kevin Faulk, Dumervil was 1 on 1 with Kazcur, Darrell Reid was double blocked by Koppen and Neal which left Holliday 1 on 1 with Mankins, it was a matchup they had been looking for according to Holliday who bull rushed Mankins outside shoulder and then stopped and cut back towards the middle and got to Brady, Dumervil was able to disengage Kaczur and drop on the ball.

by gyldenlove on Oct 13, 2009 11:47 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll Have to Go Check

but Reid pulling double teams? You have to love it.

When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver

How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels

by Kfustud on Oct 13, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

I think they scheme the double teams very deliberately, especially in the 40 sets we run on passing downs, one of the DTs shoot the 1-gap and try to draw the guard and center while the other takes the outside shoulder of the other guard. I have seen that happen a number of times, that is also how we have gotten pressure through the middle with a delayed blitz or stunt on some plays.

Reid is never going to look like Rod Coleman or Haynesworth, but he is a very tenacious guy in there who uses his quickness well on the inside to create space or occupy blockers. Interestingly on that if the center takes on Reid alone and the guards kicks out to Dumervil and doubles him then there is no way we recover that fumble before New England (unless Reid is really aware).

by gyldenlove on Oct 13, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll have to look. I could have gotten it wrong.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Oct 13, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always look forward to this

…and the discussions it generates! Thanks Ted!

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 13, 2009 12:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The OT argument

Is funny. Its like those hot button issues that get people riled up in an election year and once its over you don’t hear much about it until the next election.

Every time there’s an OT game it gets people riled up about whether the system should be changed and one week later its back off the radar.

Whether you agree with the system or not, mass consensus seems to be that it has not caused sufficient harm to warrant sweeping change. And nobody has come up with an alternative attractive enough to motivate anyone to overturn the status quo.

I know that at one time there was great concern over how long NFL games were getting, so the league (thankfully IMO) took steps to limit that. I love football but by the time OT comes around sudden death often seems appealing. Now, how you feel about it may depend on how your team fares but had the Pats stopped the Broncos and scored theselves, my attitude would be just as it is now.

Team A got the ball with a shot to score. Team B had a shot to stop them. Team B failed. Team A wins.

It may not be perfect but one of the reasons the games got so long in the first place (Television notwithstanding) is they kept adding rules trying to MAKE the game perfect. Sometimes as a fan of certain teams I feel on the wrong side of OT but I don’t think the system is flawed enough to warrant change.

Just my opinion. And for the record I STILL hate instant replay. LOL

Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.

by TheMastermind on Oct 13, 2009 2:20 PM MDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

If you don't want to take the chance at a coin flip...

…then don’t find yourself tied at the end of regulation!

Particularly for the NFL, I don’t really have a problem with the chance aspect (unless it’s the Broncos on the wrong end of it!), although I think it becomes a bigger issue in the playoffs where it’s “win or go home.” Maybe they should place the ball at the 50 and just let both teams sprint for it from their 20, and whoever has it when the dust settles gets to receive the kick?? Now THAT could be exciting!

by jakester on Oct 13, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darius Heyward Bey would get there first…. and then run right past it.

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Oct 13, 2009 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even more awesome than average Ted

I liked your take on 2e – it certainly looked like Woodyard was the victim on that play from where I sat, but I’ll need to go back and look at the replay.
Go Broncs

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Oct 13, 2009 2:28 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Your Articles are Great

I am a longtime football/Bronco fan but I miss a lot of the subtle things on the field. Your insights are great and I’ve learned a lot this year from you and the other regulars on MHR. Thanks for another great Tuesday lesson!

by IdahoFalls4Broncos on Oct 13, 2009 5:13 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post, Ted. Rec'd.

This was an exceptional game. I wasn’t sure at half time, but the 2nd half was memorable. I enjoyed the ending – sitting on the edge of my chair.

Great analysis, Ted.

BTW: I quit smoking in 1983. 3 days after my last pipeful, I could smell what the smoke smelled like coming out of my skin pores. It grossed me out so much that I put all of my pipes aside and eventually threw the mall away. My heart rate decreased 10 beats a minute as a result.

Question: Where is HILLIS?

Thanks.

by Blackknigh on Oct 13, 2009 11:47 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Unsubstantiated rumour I heard is that he is in McD's doghouse

and thus is getting less PT. I didn’t see the Hochstein-at-FB action this week, I guess it was okay as TB noted. The last time I saw it, it was NOT okay. I would definitely like to see Hillis back in there when we go to a FB set.

by appleshampoo on Oct 14, 2009 2:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't seem so unsubstantiated

When the guy can’t get on the field, even when Buck is out.

I think it’s pretty clear that yes, Hills currently resides in McD’s doghouse, for whatever reason (a fumble, penalties, etc). Can’t really question the 5-0 coach at this point, so it’s on Hillis as far as I’m concerned, and he needs to fight his way out of that doghouse.

I sure hope that happens soon, because I loves me some Cowbell!

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 15, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Super stuff, Ted.

And thank you.

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Oct 14, 2009 1:27 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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