Matching up with the Chargers
Living in San Diego now (up north, in Carlsbad), I've had a classic opportunity to follow and spy on the Chargers. Milling around the town, lounging on the beach, watching the newspapers and the tube analysis, as well as breaking down the games, I had a year-long chance to get a little insight into the team. I wanted to share with you some of the things that I've seen over that time. The Bolts are a walking contradiction, just as they are every year, of late. They're starting slow, they have seemed unmotivated and they're been fighting injuries. They are going to be playing for their season, though. It's a great Monday night matchup, and I'm going to enjoy it.
So saying, here's to 5-0, 6-0, and another Monday Night slugfest!
Denver vs. San Diego
This is probably one of the best opportunities that Denver will have this year. They can take this one on the road and put SD in a deep, deep hole - IF they can control the tempo of this game. I've been living in SD for 15 months now, and spying on the Chargers organization the entire time. I have a lot of respect for them. Taking them lightly will get you beaten, but Denver won't do that. In that fact, can lie the road to victory.
Let's take it one area at a time. I'm going to start where every game starts - with the Trench Warfare (dedicated to firstfan):
Denver O-line vs. the Chargers D-line.
This is one battle that I think Denver can win hands down. Again - I'm not suggesting that it will be easy, just that it's very winnable. Ryan Clady is the best in the game. Ryan Harris is healthier, Casey Wiegmann is doing fine and while I'm not excited about Russ Hochstein, I do think that he's up to the job. I also think that Chris Kuper is better than any fans (even Denver fans) give him credit for. Like most fans, I'm worried about Ben Hamilton, but I do think that he's up to this one if he plays. Perhaps he will do better at center, perhaps he's fading a bit. That's why grooming Seth Olsen makes so much sense.
On the Bolts' side of the ball, it's a different story. Jamal Williams is injured; he's also pushing 35, is gone for the year, and (in my mind) probably won't be back next season. He's most likely done, and SD didn't find anyone to get prepared and polished for this moment. Bad planning, A.J. Smith (Chargers GM). Igor Olshansky was uneven in his play and a problem in the locker room last year, so they don't miss him. However, Ryon Bingham was supposed to replace him and he's on injured reserve. Jacques Cesaire, backing up Bingham, has some injury problems of his own. A local rookie made good in Ogemdi Nwagbuo is trying to handle NT.Luis Castillo has been uneven but can't be overlooked. Monster Vaughn Martin from Canada isn't ready for the NFL game, but he's probably the Chargers' future at NT, at least as the roster is currently set. The Chargers found a warm body in Alfonso Boone, formerly of the Chiefs. If a Chiefs castoff is your option at DL, you're in seriously deep kimchi (Note - Seoul Food, on 6th Avenue, is/was a very fine restaurant for those who like Korean cuisine). Travis Johnson, a recent Chargers acquisition from the Houston Texans, has had issues with motivation and injury; but he will now be back for Monday's game, as will all players except Center Nick Hardwick. The current plan is for Johnson to take some of the reps at NT which he played for 14 games in 2008 for Houston, although that was in a 4-3 line.
Backing up the front line on the Chargers side are the linebackers. Shawne Merriman is still trying to recover from his knee surgery. He won't be fully back until next season (and he may be working for another team by then), but he will be on the field. The rest of the Chargers LBs are good, but not stars; they brought in Kevin Burnett from Dallas, and he's played well. 1st-round draft pick Larry English will be a very good-to-great one, but not this year. Shaun Phillips, Antwan Applewhite, Stephen Cooper, Tim Dobbins, and Brandon Siler fill out the squad. Jyles Tucker spent some time injured last year, but he showed enough for the Chargers to know that he has serious potential. Even so, they aren't a bad squad, but they seem disorganized and unmotivated. The Broncos have a chance here to paste one on them.
Denver's offensive playmakers vs. Chargers secondary:
The first fact that Denver has to face is that one of the trade-offs to Kyle Orton's incredible home record is that he hasn't been as effective on the road prior to this season. That may not be a concern, since everything this year is different, but it's something to watch for. Orton's numbers are good and becoming much more so.
In fact, Orton has a better QB rating right now than Philip Rivers. He's got a much better TD/INT ratio (Orton - 7/1, Rivers - 6/3 in 1 fewer game). Orton also has an INT percentage of 0.6%; Rivers is 12th in the league at 2.0% - not bad, but not as good. Overall, Rivers is a top-5 QB -- in theory. But right now, his playmakers aren't producing like Orton's and that's affecting his numbers.
The Denver running game is better than the Chargers' front 7. Knowshon Moreno is coming into his own, and he's going to be very good indeed. LaDainian Tomlinson has been out, injured. He should be back, but even so - he's been playing like he's getting older and isn't the same. I love Darren Sproles, but he's not an all-game answer.
The Denver WRs could have a stellar day. The secondary of SD is being coached by Steve Wilks, formerly of Chicago a friend of Ron Rivera's who came over to help Ron out. The Bolts are playing in the secondary like they're being coached by Pee Wee Herman.
I speak periodically with Bolts From The Blue Contributing Editor Brian; he got his start on MHR and he's a well-informed, interesting guy who is open about sharing his knowledge. This is what he had to say about the Chargers' secondary following their loss to the Steelers...
I think it's also time to pull Cromartie for Cason; he is just a train wreck out there. And why Rivera stuck with deep zones when they were eating us alive underneath, I have no clue. I still have a lot of belief in the linebackers, but time will tell. We have almost no sacks; from AJ's perspective he is losing a ton of talent this year and these guys look to be mailing it in sometimes. I guess that is the heart of it; they perform exceptionally in spots and weakly in others, it is strange considering how many could be making a play for a starting job.
I don't have a lot to add. He's pretty much nailed it. Eric Weddle was laid out by the Steelers, Clinton Hart was doing so-so but the Chargers released him Wednesday in a surprise move in order to add DT Ian Scott. Antonio Cromartie looks terrible. Steve Gregory is playing alright, but this isn't a group that inspires confidence. At this point, they claim that they're still not sure who will start in Hart's place, but 6th round pick Kevin Ellison is one option. When you consider that they aren't stopping the run effectively and that the line isn't bringing pressure to stop the pass, this could be a long day for the Chargers defense.
Chargers offense against the Denver defense:
Philip Rivers is always dangerous; in fact, he's the only reason that SD is in the race at all. The Chargers O-line has been porous and despite his relative mobility, Rivers has been sacked 10 times in 4 games. His QB rating is down to 90.2 after a year's rating of 105.5 last year. It's mostly because of the O-line, and I'll get to that in a moment.
But there is a strength that I haven't discussed for the Chargers. Before the season I was talking to Brian, of Bolts from the Blue; he noted that Rivers had a lot of skills and strengths, but that he just hadn't mastered the long ball yet. His deep passes were a weakness that other teams could exploit. That's not at all so anymore. Rivers has completed 16 passes of 20 yards or longer, with 4 surpassing 40 yards; both place him among the NFL's leaders despite having been on bye last week.
Look for Rivers to throw mostly out of the shotgun. After going from the shotgun on 16 of his 39 drops (41%) at Oakland Week 1, Rivers was in the shotgun 29 times in 47 drops (62%) against the Ravens and 27 times in 35 drops (77%) against the Dolphins. Rivers needs the extra time since his line has been so weak. The Broncos secondary has been strong thus far; this could be their toughest challenge yet.
Trench Warfare:
LT Marcus McNeill had two surgeries during the offseason. LG Kris Dielman went to his second Pro Bowl last season - he's very good. They did lose C Nick Hardwick until at least November, and he's been replaced by Scott Mruczkowski. They cut Mike Goff at right guard (who then went on to infect Kansas City) and replaced him by drafting Louis Vasquez, who has fought injuries as a rookie but should play Monday. Jerome Clary is uneven at right tackle, and Elvis Dumervil may snack on him as the game wears on. In fact, I do not believe that the Chargers can stand up to our DL over the course of a full game. That is probably our ace in the hole. Like All QBs, Rivers can get frustrated if he's harassed.
Expect the Chargers to feature their TEs and use more max protection Monday. Antonio Gates is still strong and effective, and the Chargers have two young talents in Brandon Manumaleuna and Kris Wilson who are perfect for their roles. Both are good blockers, can run routes, go in motion, and confound opposing defensive coordinators. I see the tight ends as one of the Chargers' biggest strengths.
On the other side of the ball is a Denver group that doesn't have a single well-known household name, but they play like unbridled fury. Ronald Fields and Marcus Thomas are splitting time at NT, and both look good. The starting ends have been surprising players - Ryan McBean (formerly of the Steelers practice squad) and Kenny Peterson, and they are rotated with Vonnie Holliday. Le Kevin Smith isn't back from his knee injury fully, but he is a solid backup. The front seven is rounded out with a big group of linebackers. Elvis 'Doom' Dumervil and Mario Haggan are backed by Darrell Reid and Robert Ayers. At ILB, D.J. Williams and Andra Davis are leading the team in tackles. This isn't an even contest - the Broncos have the advantage across the board. I expect them to notch a few sacks on Rivers. If they can harass him into mistakes, this could turn ugly for the Bolts.
Rushing to Victory
I believe that the Chargers are in trouble here. Tomlinson has already been injured. He's dangerous if he's healthy this Monday, as is predicted, but he's not the player he once was. Like the team overall, I don't recommend underestimating LDT, but he can be stopped, especially behind that line. The Chargers have a potent weapon in Darren Sproles on kickoffs and in relief of LDT. Michael Bennett is also an option. They Chargers surprised me by cutting Gartrell Johnson, who only had one good game in preseason but was a 4th round pick: I believe that admits indicates sloppy drafting.They can hurt Denver here, but the O-line has to step up for that to happen.
On the other hand, Knowshon Moreno is coming into his own and is running behind a very good Denver O-line, which is bad news for the rest of the league. My only concerns with Knowshon were that he might be a little light for the league - he's put in the time in the weight room to counteract that and will continue to get tougher, and that I honestly didn't know if he was the kind of player that Bobby Turner wanted. I wasn't convinced that he wasn't, just interested to see what Denver thought. Could he pick up and play within the system? The answer to both questions is a resounding "Yes". Correll Buckhalter may be back, which would make the game easier. I'm disappointed in Peyton Hillis so far, and LaMont Jordan is a good back for running out the clock and a very good receiver, but his minutes will be limited. The Broncos are near the top of the league in rushing with 139 yards per game and have a nice average of 4.6 YPA. They will be hard to stop and the Chargers haven't been great at stopping the run.
Slow Starts:
What is it with the slow starts in San Diego? Ever since Norv Turner came to town, the trend has been to stink up the beginning of the year and to firm up later. With the Broncos coming into the game undefeated, that just won't cut it in the AFC West. The Bolts need to wake up NOW if they are to have any chance at all in the division, much less in the playoffs.
I did a little checking, and it seems that historically the Chargers have had recurring issues in this regard. In fact, they are the only team since 1970 to make the playoffs after a 0-4 start, having managed that in 1992 (Final regular season record, 11-5 that year). At 2-2, they aren't in that kind of trouble, but unless they pull themselves together, they soon will be.
That's the big potential trap here - the Chargers have had two weeks to game-plan, which puts them almost even with an 8-day Josh McDaniels plan. They are at home, they are coming off a bye week, and they are fighting for the season. A loss at this point could end their Super Bowl aspirations for the year. They may be a very tough team on Monday night; but they are still, without question, vulnerable. Unless they can really put a lot of points on the board early, the Denver defense will probably shut them down in the second half.
A last point on SD:
I've been hearing from some intelligent Chargers fans that there "wasn't anyone out there who could have an impact at NT (and a few other positions)". I've had to bite my tongue before casually asking if they'd looked at Ron Fields lately. The fact is, there were good players at many of the positions that SD now needs sitting out there this past offseason. You can get a good look at most of them on the Broncos roster next Monday night. Blame this one firmly on A.J. Smith, who was too smart for his own good this time.
With all of these factors in mind, this has the makings of another great game. SD will be highly motivated - they're at home, the numbers favor them becuase they're coming off a bye at home and they know that their season may well rest on this game. That and their offense (other than the line) are concerns.
The Broncos, on the other hand, will be prepared.They will be well aware of the dangers. They will be recipients of the McDaniels/Nolan game plans. We have the same offense that has scored when ever it had to and which is looking to break the habit of starting slowly. They can - they know each other better each week. SD isn't, frankly, as good as New England. Could we drop emotionally. Honestly, not on Monday Night Football. I see that as a small benefit - our guys are given a chance to prove, on national and international TV, who they are.
They will. Broncos over the Bolts, 27-24. Rivers has a good night, Doom gets a couple of sacks and Orton continues to do his job and do it well. How's that for playing it safe?
Go Broncos!
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Very good breakdown
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by Horsepower on Oct 15, 2009 7:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good analysis
Short, informative and to the point. I’d only seen SD once this year (against PIT) and didn’t have a chance to really watch the game closely so this makes a good primer on the Bolts.
I have a feeling the Broncos will come out on top of this one; on paper it looks almost inevitable but in the immortal(?) words of Chris Berman – that’s why they play the games.
That said – and I’ve been wondering this all year – any one have thoughts on what’s up with Hillis? His head has been in the clouds all year and he’s been making foolish mental mistakes. In some other players I’d say I see lack of effort but that doesn’t sound like Hillis. Is he overwhelmed by the offense? Could it be personal issues? Was he abducted by aliens and replaced with a Pod?
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by TheMastermind on Oct 15, 2009 7:15 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Good analysis Bear!
Here what I picked up:
24 points for Broncos seems like a good estimate. The Broncos will run to shorten the game behind a dominant oline against a mediocore rush defense. To limit mistakes, Buckhalter, the vet, will go as much as he can stand. The Broncos will use their conventional passing game against a mediocore pass rush and secondary. If SD does a lot of zone coverage, the tight ends will contribute. As the game goes on, play action will really develop as it has in the past couple of games. I’m looking for more passing on 3rd and short.
21 points for SD seems good.
It is all on Rivers, Gates, Jackson, Chambers et al. against our great secondary. I like our chances, but they will get theirs, so a couple of turnovers from our D will be muy importante. Don’t think they’ll run for 100 from the shotgun with a crappy oline.
Their other weapon is special teams of course, and I think that matchup is sizeable negative for us. Punt line drives and short kickoffs and watch Sproles kick our ass. Or a shank about every game which is becoming a pattern with Kern. Their kicking is great, and we will be lucky if ours is as great. Right now, we have no return game at all.
So the Broncos continue to roll if they are plus 1 or 2 turnovers probably picks and are close to lights out on kicking and kick coverage. Some cause for concern.
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by littletinybroncos on Oct 15, 2009 7:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great job Doc....
Always awesome. You will hear from me soon!
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Oct 15, 2009 7:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
So the Chargers released their starting safety?
That sounds awfully familiar here. I’m so glad we have Hill and Dawkins.
Great information, Bear. I’m feeling pretty confident about this game
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by solace on Oct 15, 2009 7:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great breakdown Doc
I cant wait for this game..We are going to rock on Monday…0-6 baby
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by metalman5050 on Oct 15, 2009 7:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
uummmm....
huh? 0-6? lol.
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by EastCoastBronco on Oct 15, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one will be a war!
Great recon behind enemy lines, Bear! (Keep your friends close, & your enemies even closer.). Excellent breakdowns. Based upon your assessments, I feel the key match up that will ultimately determine the out come is our secondary vs. their wide outs. If our D line can bring the pressure, that may be a mute point. I am cautiously optimistic about the outcome of this game as well. Zappa & I must use the same method for forecasting scores, as we both have Broncos 23 San Diego 20. Sort of a confirmation of sorts, I guess!
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by turnerstoe on Oct 15, 2009 7:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
that the Rivers to Jackson connection concerns me the most in this match up.
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by KaptainKirk on Oct 15, 2009 8:01 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Gates worries me more than Jackson
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by Todd Jewell on Oct 15, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we bring the house it will force them to keep 2 TE's for protection for Rivers..
This will limit Gates playing time as he is not a blocking TE. Maybe look for some 3 TE sets from San Diego.
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Oct 15, 2009 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they will not have him on the field — I don’t think they can afford to lose him as an option, should be interesting
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by Todd Jewell on Oct 15, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We did a good job of limiting Jason Whitten
especially on the last two plays of the game, so I am sure Nolan will have something to limit his effectivness and keep him at the line to block, whether he is good or not. It will be interesting to say the least.
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by weazel on Oct 15, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note that SD...
….doesn’t like to keep RBs in to block. I think we can keep Gates in check, just like we did with Whitten.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 16, 2009 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to voice this...
…but has Rivers seemed to own Champ in recent seasons? Granted, I think that’s more a result of Champ having to do EVERYthing last year and the year before, as he had to pick up the slack for Bly AND because Champ was the only one on last year’s D who seemed willing to step up and tackle a ball carrier. It just concerns me, because Rivers seems to consistently go at Champ with success. Hopefully the Team D will change that this year.
by ncm42 on Oct 16, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
31-17 Denver.
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by boydy2669 on Oct 15, 2009 8:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you, Boydy
If we keep the Pats to 17 points; then I don’t think Rivers gets over 17 points, either (especially as their O-line is much worse than NE). If we can bridle Moss, Welker, Morris, and Brady; we can shut down Jackson, Gates, LDT, and Rivers. McDaniels/Nolan > Norvy even with the bye week.
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by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 15, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
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by kentuckybronco on Oct 15, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree CK
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by dmitchell624 on Oct 15, 2009 11:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great insight, doc! Thanks!
I think the Broncos defense will frustrate the chargers running game early, to the point that they go away from it almost altogether. That leaves Rivers, Jackson and Gates. With the shaky performance of their OL thus far, I just don’t see them going deep much, unless it’s out of the max-pro. If that happens, they’re limited to one or two patterns, and I think that plays into the hands of our secondary.
The x-factor in my estimation is Sproles in the return game. If we contain him like we did with Cribbs, we’re good to go. If not, that team will feed off of it and stick around.
I still feel comfortable with 24-13, Broncos. This will be a benchmark game for our defense, and I think they pass the test.
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by jubei on Oct 15, 2009 8:34 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
One other thing...
I don’t see the chargers having any sort of answers for Marshall and Moreno/Buckhalter. And they have an inconsistent pass rush going up against the best OL in the league, hands-down.
Look for a couple of deep balls to Gaff and Royal from our Noodle-Armed QB!
- Jason
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by jubei on Oct 15, 2009 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’m seeing the same things you are jubei, with Moreno/Bucky being a difference maker, and am very concerned about ST and Sproles. Hope we focus on stopping him, I don’t want to spot them 7 at any time in the game just from a return.
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by azbroncomaniac on Oct 15, 2009 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree....
I think that’s a good assessment. Two things I would add:
1. Defense: The real key to the game is whether we can pressure Rivers with our defensive front without having to blitz much (blitzing is the only thing that leaves our secondary susceptible to Rivers/Chambers/Gates/etc). If Doom returns to his Pro-Bowl form early in this game it WILL be a blowout of the Chargers, as we will feast on the resultant turnovers.
2. Offense: Our O will produce, as always, even if it takes some time to get into a rhythm on the road in a huge Monday Night game. Although, the place where their D could exploit Denver’s offensive vulnerabilities is by heavy inside stunts/blitzes. The Chargers have a strong LB corp which could take advantage of Hochstein & Hamilton if they employ a heavy inside blitz package and get pressure on Orton early. That could result in Orton’s first REAL interception(s), as the Chargers’ DBs are ballhawks (Jammer is a stud, and I still believe Cromartie is dangerous – he has hurt the Broncos too many times in the past for me to think otherwise, until I see differently).
and, thanks for the post, Bear – good work.
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by SteveAssassin on Oct 15, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
24-16 Broncos
SD will only get one lucky TD. And their Kicker will hit 3 out of 3 in the thick heavy sea level air (why do they never say that?)
Watched Mike and Mike yesterday. Mike 1 (Green?) picked SD, Mike Golic, the one that actually played football, picked the Broncos!
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by Trogdoor on Oct 15, 2009 8:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a bad sign.
I think it was Golic who picked the Raiders over the Broncos as his Stone Cold Lead Pipe Lock.
by Velveeta on Oct 15, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sproles is scary.
I hope you are right. I think a Bronco win here would signal a changing of the guard in the AFC West and would likely send SD into a tail spin. There is a belief in San Diego that 2009 is their year, their last year to really be a contender. If they lose Monday night at home, the belief that 2009 was "IT" will be shattered.
San Diego has been on the decline since 2006. This Dolt team doesn’t have the talent they used to (via a combo platter of father time and poor drafting from 2006-2009). I’d have a smile from ear to ear if Denver put the final nail in their coffin.
I hope we got after their new safety and I really hope we pick on Cromartie if he is on Marshall. BMarsh is single handedly responsible for derailing Cromartie’s career with his 18 catch game last season. Cromartie has never been the same after that beat down.
I think Denver can do irrefutable damage to San Diego’s psyche (kill their swagger) with a win. And I hope we do the Lights Out dance like San Diego did the Mile High salute a few years ago.
by McGeorge on Oct 15, 2009 9:02 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
+1 on your last paragraph, McGeorge.
It worked for the Pats in the playoffs, why not for us in their own house? Payback’s a …
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by jubei on Oct 15, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Rivers can cry about it to the media. I could die a happy person at that very moment.
by McGeorge on Oct 15, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
great breakdown broncobear
Also currently living in San Diego, I think the Chargers will be fired up. The long ball scares me some, but the screens and short passes to Sproles really scare me. I also don’t think Rivera has been blitzing much, so we will see if he dials it up. I bet he will.
by jayrocksd on Oct 15, 2009 9:17 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sproles screen.
this is my biggest concern, last year he tore it up on the screen. The only plus is, we’ve really only given up like one big screen pass a game…
by JALefor on Oct 15, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Later today my Chalk Talk column goes up.
I mentioned the same thing (wrote the final draft yesterday). Sproles is deadly out of a screen. As plays go, the screen is the closest looking thing to a punt or kick return.
Very good call JAL!
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 16, 2009 7:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd for another great analysis, thanks bear
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by BShrout on Oct 15, 2009 9:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Highly rec'd for the deep and...
detailed analysis.
Your insight into the Bolts players was a great primer for me.
I tend to think that the game will not be as close as you’ve predicted, but my forecast (Broncos 27, Chargers 12), was based purely on stats.
I agree that there is an emotional element to this game, but it works both ways. The Chargers are desperate and may play with extra spark on Monday night. However, nobody has mentioned the ‘revenge’ factor for the drubbing that the Bolts laid on the Broncs last year.
That was embarrassing and was probably the final straw for Bowlen.
Honestly, I expect our offense to have their best game of the year and expect them to score more points than my stats based game prediction. Rivers is gonna have to sling it all night…and the game will rest firmly on his shoulders. He’s gonna have to have the game of his life, IMHO, to come away with a W.
Thanks again for the great read!
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by OrangeKnuckleDragger on Oct 15, 2009 9:37 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Also living in San Diego
Won’t be able to see the whole game Monday night since I have a lab I can’t miss but I think this could be a really lopsided game in our favor. Rivers will have to have the night of his life to evade our pass rush and beat our secondary. He may also be spending a lot of time on the sidelines the way our running game matches up against their run defense. I like 31 -17 too.
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by MrFNSunshine on Oct 15, 2009 9:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd Bear! Here's a pot-o-honey!
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by BroncTastic on Oct 15, 2009 9:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great work again bear
The Dallas and NE games were awesome and stressfull at the same time, however this is the game I want the most. We have improved a lot in several areas, so I am curious to see how we do against the team we need to get past.
I just hope we come out better than the last two games and we keep the flags to a minimum, especially ST.
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by weazel on Oct 15, 2009 10:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great insight, great read. Thanks, and Rec'd
I’d go 27-17. I have no reason to believe that Phillip Rivers will put up more points against us than Tom Brady, Tony Romo (and his top-ranked offense), or Carson Palmer did.
They’re great against the run and the vertical threat. I agree that this is a desperate SD team, which should translate into deep motivation. But I think the Broncos finally find a way to start fast in scoring this week. That plus effectively running the ball early should take away SD’s second-wind.
The defense has only given two 2nd-half 3rd-down conversions all season. Taking nothing away from Mr. Rivers, Denver forcing him to try and win the ball through the air in the 2nd half should create more sacks and a couple turnovers with our ball-hawking defense. Perhaps our first pick-six, even.
IMHO, the only way this is close is with a couple TRUE breakaway plays from SD. But my bet is that our defense knows that and doesn’t let Jackson behind Dawkins or let Sproles find the edges.
by elvisalex on Oct 15, 2009 10:15 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Here's to our first Pick 6!! Come on, D!
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 15, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great insight!
I don’t see us losing this one! As Bear suggested, the Chargers are a dangerous and desperate team, but they have a lot of weaknesses and vulerabilities that I believe McD and Nolan can drive a truck through! Although teams in disarray can regroup and pull off a huge win with their backs against the wall, I don’t get the sense that this group will do so as long as we remain relatively mistake/turnover free. I think the Chargers are a far cry from the Pats, so let’s show some killer instinct and re-claim the AFC West! Go Broncs!
by BroncosRock! on Oct 15, 2009 10:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The chargers are desperate because right now they're not a good football team.
Definitely don’t overlook them, but don’t make the mistake that this is the team from a few years ago, either.
- Jason
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by jubei on Oct 15, 2009 10:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 15, 2009 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may be a high-scoring game
Now that he’s gloveless, Orton looks ready to click with the WRs and the game plan. I expect them to take full advantage of SD’s defensive issues. I’m also thinking we might see KnoMo’s first long TD run.
But I also expect Rivers and his WRs to get their points. Brady didn’t take full advantage of the Denver D a few times when the LBs and DBs were out of position, and Rivers has looked very good lately. I expect him to make us pay for our mistakes. I also think Sproles may get a few chunks of yardage, either on returns or off of screens. I’m not too worried about Tomlinson, but it nags at me that the only time he’s looked like the LDT of old was against the Broncos last year.
The key, as always, will be game plan, and I’d take the McD against Rivera and Nolan against Norv match ups any day. I think Denver wins, but I wouldn’t be surprised by a score along the lines of 31-24, with Denver up 17-7 (or so) at that half.
And most importantly, thanks for the great post Bear! rec’d!
by CoastalBronco on Oct 15, 2009 10:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Always a pleasure, CB
Folks – there’s a Thoughts and Musings going up soon. Other than that – I will be out of communication for a bit. I had an incident with my wheelchair and I’ve lost a lot of use of my right arm. It will heal fine but may take a little while. I’ll be watching the Broncos and reading MHR – and I’m looking to enjoy 6-0! Talk to you soon!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Oct 15, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to hear that, bear.
Get well soon and thanks as always for your insights!
- Jason
Horton is WIN - HORVIL TIKI
by jubei on Oct 15, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our prayers will be with you.
Get well soon.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Oct 15, 2009 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not know you were wheel chair bound bear and all my prayers go to you.
Get well soon!
by bfree2bronc on Oct 15, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take care broncobear
You do awesome work here.
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by weazel on Oct 15, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get well, broncobear....
you’ll be in my family’s prayers, and we’ll anxiously await your return to the MHR message boards!
All the best,
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by SteveAssassin on Oct 15, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get well my friend...anything I can do ask!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Oct 15, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Our best wishes for a speedy recovery Bear
This site just won’t be the same without your usual level of input.
Go Broncs!
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by Donkhead on Oct 15, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will greatly miss your profound posts..
Please get well soon, my friend. A Bronco’s victory on Sunday should be just the right medicine! You’re in our thoughts and prayers.
" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "
by hairybear on Oct 15, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You take care, my friend
Speedy recovery and wellness thoughts your way. BTW, you’ll be missed, albeit for a short time away. Thanks for your great insight.
Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime.
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by azbroncomaniac on Oct 15, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely will be praying for you my friend
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 15, 2009 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feel better soon Bear!
We’ll all be hoping for a speedy recovery, and for the boys to knock one out of the park for you!
by ncm42 on Oct 16, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
After watching the game against the Pats 4 times
we made a lot of mistakes on the field defensively. One for instance on Bradys’ second drive where he over threw Moss in the end zone. Either Hill or Dawkins misread the play leaving Goodman to defend Moss and Welker, a 2 on one mismatch. Dodged a bullit on that one that weould have given them a 14-0 lead going into the second qtr.
Moreno’s ball handling on the first drive of the game where he fumbled, instead of protecting the ball, his instinct was to bring his left hand up to fend off the defender which was a mistake and cost us a drive where they were moving the ball effectively. McDaniels challenged the call which was clearly fumbled losing a precious time out and one challenge. Two mistakes on one play, dumb, very dumb.
With 9:31 left in the second qtr Chris baker caught a 3 yd pass that clearly came out upon hitting the ground. McDaniels challenged the call (his second and final challenge of the game) and won the challenge. The pats did not make first down on the play, so why use a challenge here when there may be a more crucial play at the end. Bone head mistake on the coaches part.
If you all noticed Kyle looked very good with his check downs and with the glove off seemed to have more accuracy and zip on the ball. Eddi Royal was stellar as well picking up critical first downs in the half. The ‘wild horses’ seemed to confuse the defense and kept them off balance for the most part.
Special teams play is a problem and a concern if not fixed and fixed quickly. Sandy Eggo is very proficient in stripping the ball and making big plays. If we stumble on special teams they will have a field day with us. Got to hold on to the ball. All of these things happened in the first half and the defense came out in the second half with adjustments that kept us in the game. We cannot get into a shootout with this bunch, they will beat you if you do. Thanks bear for all the great knowledge you bring us and I would like for someone more knowledgable than myself to break down every play in every game to see where the mistakes were made and how teams might exploit them. Hope we have a great game this Monday because it very well may be for the marbles (Division Championship).
by bfree2bronc on Oct 15, 2009 11:12 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he challenged the Moreno play knowing he would lose, but trying to give his team more time than what a typical timeout would provide since we just got off the field not that long before and the D was still huddling to learn what to do
The other challenge forced them into a different set of possible play calls, 3rd and 9 is different than 3rd and 6. There was no other crucial play to use it on and you can’t play the game on what might happen later, at least in my not-humble opinion.
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by Todd Jewell on Oct 15, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not rational to give up your last challenge before the half.
If there is a critical situation in the second half when the games on the line and you don’t have a challenge then you have to live with it either for the good or the bad. Bad decision, plain and simple.
by bfree2bronc on Oct 15, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look at that one too
and McDaniels must have figured, 3 yards on the very edge of FG range, could be huge. And could change the play calling of Bellichick. And what are the odds that you have to challenge again? But I agree with Simms, probably shouldn’t have thrown the flag.
I just don’t think it’s right to not have anymore challenges after you lose 1 and win 1. Should get to challenge up until you lose 2. If you challenge twice and win both you do get a 3rd. So 1+1=3 and 1-1=2 ;)
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by Trogdoor on Oct 15, 2009 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJ
…whiffed on a sack of Brady because he was going for the knockout shot instead of just tackling him. Adrenaline is understandable, but that was shades of last year’s LB corps wanting to look good rather than just making the tackle. Led, of course, by Nate “don’t I look cool without my helmet…AGAIN” Webster. Hopefully that was an isolated incident, as I think the world of DJ…
by ncm42 on Oct 16, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see it Broncos, 17-13.
Our ball-control rushing keeps Rivers and Co off the field. Heavy pass rush limits their opportunities down the field. Improved kick coverage keeps Sproles in check.
"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
by db8632 on Oct 15, 2009 6:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
34 - 14
I know this could be a trap game, but I just don’t see McD and Nolan not preparing our team. I see SD not being able to run, so they pass, which plays into our very experienced DBs favor. I see multiple picks and sacks – mostly after the first quarter, which is when Rivers starts to get frustrated. Moreno will have a break out game and Doom will lead the league in sacks after the night is done. I even see a couple of deep balls from KO.
calBronco1
by calbronco1 on Oct 15, 2009 6:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent post, Bear. Rec'd!
Sorry to hear about your wheelchair incident – and that you are losing mobility in your right arm. My thoughts and prayers are with you for a speedy recovery and healing.
I agree SD is a dangerous team. A lot depends on how many of their guys show up to play. Winning the turnover and TOP battles are key here. A tired SD D will help us.
I think there will be a 24-13 win for Denver. I think we will see apparent softness in the 1st half by our Broncs – and the toughness in the 2nd half. Were Hillis ready to play, this would be a perfect game for him to come in and dominate.
Thanks, Bear. We will miss you.
by Blackknigh on Oct 16, 2009 1:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no team in the league...
…that will miss Shanny & Cutler being with the Broncos more than the Dolts. Let the new and improved Broncos vs same old and regressing Chargers era commence!
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by c_style on Oct 16, 2009 10:50 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
EXCELLENT POINT
I think this game will show the biggest difference between KO and JC. I just don’t see SD…or any other team…getting in Kyle’s head and making him turn a game into his own personal grudge match. Everyone talks about Matty Ice in Atlanta, but Orton seems to always be cool and collected. We all know that defenses — and especially SD’s D (and QB) — could get into JC’s head, and make him turn the game into his own vendetta. So far, it does not look like Kyle is easily rattled.
Someone else posted it a few days ago, but how can anyone NOT love the way KO treats the game?
by ncm42 on Oct 17, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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