Think forward to the draft
by maritimebronco on Oct 15, 2009 7:35 PM MDT
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PrintFor many of us it is going to be a longgg weekend waiting for the Denver Broncos monday game. And I thought that it might be fun to take a look and hear some people opinions about the upcoming Draft. Come on People it only like 8 months away.
Getting it started it will be important to note that Denver has Chicago's first round pick while Seattle has Denver's.
Chicago is currently 3-1 haveing played: Green Bay (L 21-15), Pittsburgh (W 17-14), Seattle (W 25-19) and Detroit (W48-24)
Looking a head at Chicago's Schedule I would put there up coming games into four categories
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Cleveland |
Arizona |
Cincinatti |
Atlanta |
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St. Louis |
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San Fransico |
Philedelpha |
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Detroit |
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Green Bay |
Minnesota |
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Baltimore |
Minnesota |
Personally when I look at their team and schedule I could see them winning somewhere between 2 to 5 more game putting them somewhere between 6-10 to 9-7. I think that would but Denver pick somewhere between the 10 to 20.
With that you have to look at some Positions that Denver would be interested in upgrading with a pick in the first three rounds.
In madden order the positions would be:
QB - Even if Orton reinvented the wheel there will be some calling for and QB
WR - Denver has a pretty decent WR corp but one more play maker is always welcome
OC - Weigmann is signed thru 2011 but he is 36 and their is no immediate back up
OG - Hamilton's contract is up at the end of the year and it is not clear if he will be resigned. It will be a sad thing to see him go but maybe someone who fits the pulling guard system better will be brought in
DE - I think this is the position that Hoosierteacher calls Defensive Guard.
NT - I like the Fields, Thomas and Baker at this position but I make you a bet that most MSM will have a Nose tackle as one of Denvers top two Draft choices.
ILB - DJ, Davis, Woodyard, Larsen? On paper two Williams are better than one
S - Just like MSM claimed Boss Bailey would start for Denver after he'd already been released or how the Cheifs should trade OLB/ILB Derrick Johnson to the Steelers to replace 3-4 DE Aaron Smith people will be suggesting the Denver find future replacements for Dawkins and Hill.
Kick Returner - A feild position changing KR is the something Denver is currently really missing or is a position that is just waiting to break out.
Players I like:
Eric Berry - If I had the money I would pay Berry millions to spend some time with Dawkins and take his game to an unbelievable level. Also helps that the Ayers in on the team as well.
Brandon Spikes - Would be a great ILB but might not play on passing downs with the Broncos
Questions I have for MHRers:
Who do you like?
Is there anyone who you like for DE (DG/3-4DE)? I find this position hard to evaluate?
What about OG? I don't pay enough attention to the inside O-line players in college to know much.
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I voted C
or OG maybe. Interior O-line will be the biggest need this offseason. Weigman does not go to Pro Bowl this year and it is not a given that he even returns for 2010. Hamilton is the weakest player on our generally stellar line and is free agent. We will need one or 2 players there.
Secondary is a question mark – starters are all over 30, so we need young talent soon, But we drafted 3 players in the secondary, so need to see how they coming along first. Unless someone with stellar talent and great fit for McD/Nolan’s system drops to us, I doubt we take a SAF or CB in 1st round.
Defense front 7 on watch list after those two, with the same caveat (if someone exceptional drops to us).
Oh, and I think Chicago will do better than you projected. I expect them to win 10 or 9. If that happens, our pick will be around 20 or low 20-s.
We need
to groom a replacement for Cassey. He is a big part of the o-line and if wee don’t get a suitable replacement, our line will suffer. We could also use some more talent on the d-line. Hopefully E-ped and Baker develop. What we need now is a returner or better yet, better blockers. I know our punt returns haven’t been great but we’ve faced some of the best punters in the league.
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-Brian Dawkins, on the play of the defense
Once he gets his hands on you, there's not much you're going to do. Then you can't outrun him, you can't run around him, you can't really run him over -- so you've just got to deal with it."
Elvis Dumerville, on Ryan Clady
Interior Line needs some depth...
that seems to be the place where we could use a bit more improvement. A dynamic returner would certainly be good, but those are extremely difficult to draft.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
What the hell
“Brandon Spikes – Would be a great ILB but might not play on passing downs with the Broncos”
Spikes isnt just a great coverage linebacker he has great pursuit and takes the right angles to get to the ball carrier. He is on of the better linebackers against the pass period. I love Spikes, granted im a gators fan, but u cant say he’s bad in coverage…especially with Andra not being that good in coverage and getting older.
I really have no clue where we would pick. I think we will re-sign marshall orton Doom and Kuper. I think probably a dlineman in the first…probably 5 technique end. If our D continues to play the way it is i have no clue.
eric berry and spikes are great picks. Berry and McBath would be nice. We really have to wait and see. Not to mention possible free agent signings. I hate to say its to early cuz i think about the next draft the day after this past 1.
its a three day draft this year 2.
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"ITS PARTAAY TIME BAABY"
-who else
You rarely see OG or C taken in round 1, especially in the top 20. That would have to be on heck of a prospect to get drafted that high.
Denver can draft a C in round 2 (Kris O’Dowd of USC) comes to mind.
Round 1 – my guess is we take the best front seven defender available with the goal of getting a DE or ILB.
2 words:
Terrence Cody.
6’4 365 lbs. That dude just screams “We need to double team this guy”, plus he’ll probably be available in the middle of the first.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
The problem is his desire or lack thereof. Cody runs hot and cold. A boom or bust type of pick that is pretty risky..
that's true...
I saw some clips of him recently, and I couldn’t help but feel like this guys either going to be the baddest D Line guy in the draft, or he’ll hold out and break his ankle in the first practice like Andre Smith…365 isn’t exactly a small amount of weight.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
And
There’s the Saban-McDaniels connection. I think Cody is a real possibility, assuming he doesn’t eat himself out of the first round in the offseason…
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Oct 16, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Eric Berry is going to get selected long before Denver is on the clock. He is a Top 5 overall pick kind of prospect.
agree, he's going early
"spontaneous method of irrational knowledge based on the critical and systematic objectivity of the associations and interpretations of delirious phenomena." - Dalí
Watching the impact Dawkins has had on this team...
Do you think there’s any conceivable way that we move up to take him? I’ve made the comment before that Dawkins is establishing a legacy here, and if we can pass that on to Berry, we’d have a Ravens-like dynasty on defense. Personally, I’d absolutely do it— the kid is productive, just like Alphonso was, but Berry’s doing it in the SEC. He plays so hard, and you don’t hear a bad thing about him. He’d be my #1 pick if need weren’t an issue.
by legendarywalton on Oct 16, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Taylor Mays?
I dont know a whole lot about him, but my USC fan buddy is really high on him. We got into a debate about where in the draft he would go. Any chance he’s available for us?
Nah...
Oakland will find a receiver with better speed than Mays and draft him to play safety instead.
by MarshallMcCard on Oct 16, 2009 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions
If Denver drafted like Oakland (pick the fastest guy available strategy), I don’t think I could cheer for the Broncos. It would be too disheartening.
I hate the Raiders and don’t feel sorry for their fans, but I fully understand why they don’t sell out (tens of thousands short of full attendance). If the Broncos were run like the Raiders, I’d find another team to root for.
Seriously
It’s like Al Davis wants to draft a team of olympic sprinters. Unfortunately, this is football, not sprinting.
It’s like drafting a bunch of baseball players and giving them skates and a stick to play hockey. Sometimes, you need to just draft hockey players………….or football players in this instance.
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 16, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Two quick thoughts.
I’m not a draft expert at all, and follow college ball even less so. Still, these are my thoughts.
I like the BPA (best player available) route we went this year, and think we may see it again. Instead of looking at need, we’ll take the best guys we can get, regardless of position. If there is still a hole, we go FA.
That said, I dread the day that we lose Bailey. There’s nothing like shutting down one side of a field. While I doubt we take a CB in the first round, I’d love to keep our talent level at CB elite. We have several young guys behind our starters (Smith and Williams at CB, McBath and Bruton at SAF), but I still would like to see another player in the mix at CB.
I think our depth at WR is terrific, and Marshall and Royal are still young. Still, Stokley and Gaffney won’t be around forever. We might wait one more year for a WR (unless we go BPA and one is there).
I like Moreno, and he’s a rookie. Buckhalter is great, but still has that knee history and is getting older. One more RB would be nice, but maybe not in the first round.
Yes – OC and OG are going to be critical. I’m not sold on our back-ups yet. If a great one is the BPA, we should jump on him.
Frankly, our “no-name” DL is doing a solid job. I hope we can re-sign Doom. We have plenty of options here too. But again, if the BPA is a DL-man, I say we take him.
I guess what I’m saying is that I wouldn’t vote for a particular position, but instead would vote for BPA.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
Yes and no. I think drafting the BPA is the way to go only when you target a few specific needs. Say Crabtree had fallen to Denver this past draft. He would have been the BPA at #13, but Denver did not need a WR at #12 since we had other needs in our defensive front seven and at RB.
1st round picks should challenge for starting jobs right off the bat. Our front seven has exceeded just about everyone’s expectations, but I have noticed teams running right at Haggen and McBean with some success (not a lot). Are those two long term answers for Denver? I don’t think so and neither is Davis, Wiegmann or Hamilton. If we target BPA for front seven and interior O-line, we should have several good choices in the first few rounds.
Each team will have their own prospect board containing their target players.
I think HT means the BPA on their board, so like you said if they don’t think they need guys at certain positions they won’t target those players, or may not grade them as highly.
good comment, Timmus
You’re right. BPA is misunderstood. It’s a designation that’s considered in the context of your team’s needs — oddly. In other words, what’s “good” is what’s good for you.
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As dramatically illustrated
this spring. McX drafted the highest remaining player on THEIR board, and confounded pretty much everybody in the process. I think our depth at the end of this year gives us a great position of freedom.
It’s the “laser in on one guy” teams that seem to have the long-term problems. I was as excited about Cutler as anyone, but in hindsight it looks like a hail mary.
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by PositivIntegral on Oct 16, 2009 6:51 AM MDT up reply actions
We hit a monster home run on the Cutler pick. That draft is done in hindsight and Cutler goes in the Top 2 overall picks. We got a Pro Bowl season out of the guy and then Denver turned Cutler into a trade that netted TWO 1st rounders, Orton and a 3rd round pick. I’d say we got some damn good value with the Cutler pick.
by McGeorge on Oct 16, 2009 7:27 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed...
Considering who the two QBs taken ahead of Cutler were, I’d say we won BIG TIME.
by MarshallMcCard on Oct 16, 2009 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions
+1
Solid value indeed…and I called the picks (other than us throwing in the 3rd and them adding a 5th or whatever it was).
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Right on, mea culpa to
McGeorge.
I was commenting more from Shanahan’s perspective: I think his single-mindedness about a “franchise qb” distracted from broader thinking on draft day.
But you are absolutely right: for the team the Cutler pick turned into gold.
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by PositivIntegral on Oct 16, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
re: "their board" -- response to PositiveIntegral
That is the point — the only board they can use is their own.
BPA is a hypothetical construct, and it’s odd to hear people complaining about teams not taking a so-called “better” player, as if the team deliberately ignored a higher ranked player on their board and took a lower ranked one.
Teams go by their own rankings, not some hypothetical ranking produced by an amateur draftnik site.
In effect, what many people are saying is that the team’s ranking are wrong. It’s hard to figure out how people can logically come to that conclusion. I, too, have my opinions, but I also recognize that I’m far, far less capable than the professional NFL staff of making drafting decisions. Moreover, the job of evaluating talent is so large that no single person is capable of doing it alone. I have to wonder about the arrogance that drives people to emphatically say that a team made a mistake.
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by Colinski on Oct 16, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good points Colinski
And
I, too, have my opinions, but I also recognize that I’m far, far less capable than the professional NFL staff of making drafting decisions
I trust yours a great deal more than most.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Looking at some of our older players...
Guys like Graham, Stokley, Wiegmann, Hamilton/Hochstein, Holliday/Peterson, Davis, Bailey/Goodman, etc. Many of them seem to already have a younger guy lined up behind them. ie:
Graham – Quinn, Stokley – McKinley, Hamilton – Olsen, Bailey – Smith.
My main concearn is at C as Wiegmann’s backup at the moment is Hamilton (who is 31 himself) and I don’t think anyone else has experience there. However, as others have pointed out Cs usually aren’t drafted in the 1st (with exceptions) so many of the best prospects should still be available in the 2nd and even 3rd rounds.
The other areas of concern would be DL (mainly DE), CB and perhaps a deep threat WR.
Right now I guess
I’m the one vote for other.
McD will go with BPA. That’s the way they worked this year. They will have a list of who’s who and what positions they play. I think the 1st pick will be BPA for needed position. the rest of the rounds will be BPA at that time
Just my opinion of course
the beauty of the ?
is that we don’t have to worry….when I look at the ability of this organization to analyze talent and personnel. I am not in the least worried about who and when we draft people. It will all be based on value at the specific draft position. For instance, I will not be surprised if Baker and Pedsclx become stars next year. You read about the investment Nunnely is making with them. We already saw some signs in preseason and consider how well our starters are playing. This team is so deep, it really is a blessing that we haven’t had any injuries b/c I think our young guys would not make it back thru waivers if they were being moved back and forth. How many teams are waiting for Pedsclx to go thru waivers? Based on our Dline performance & his tangibles, people can make an educated bet that he has potential……so I am confident that we will pick the best players regardless of posn (almost, we w/n take QB or WR)…..OL generally, DB, and possibly RB based on who is available….these positions require the most tangibles….the others can be filled based on attitude and with respect to the system
by BideshiBronco on Oct 15, 2009 10:46 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Pedescleaux is on the practice squad
If another team wants him they can take him at any point, so long as they sign him to the active roster.
We'll need an elite CB for sure to groom under Bailey.
Nobody can expect A Smith to play with the likes of Moss and other great receivers. 6’ 1 or 6’2 very good corner, and let’s face it folks, like HT said, Champs’ only got a couple of years or so left. So why not groom one to be ready. Just like a center, watch Boise St and their OLine. Another Clady type player would be awesome. No QB, heck we have Brandstater who will probably be our starter in a couple of years, not saying Kyle may be here for a long while, just saying.
Not Concerned with Corners
I like the way Jack Williams and Phonz have been playing though, and we probably WILL have both Champ and Goodman for several years yet. Call me reckless but I’m no more worried about CB than WR.
Champ's contract is up next year
It will be interesting what happens with that. What’s the market for him at that age (now + 2 years) and how keen Denver is on whomever is under him on the depth chart by then.
But I think Goodman’s shown enough to be a #1 for at least a year if Denver loses Champ and allows Denver to use Phonz at 2 and draft Champs replacement in 2011.
My money is on either DE or middle LB. Sheffler’s contract is up so a high TE again may even be possible?
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by orange&blue_aussie on Oct 16, 2009 4:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't think of CBs as just #1 and #2.
The nickle corner is crucial in today’s game. We need to keep the edge all the way to our dime back.
Consider – Bailey’s last year is next year. Then what? Either he moves on or he stays (but he’ll be two years older at the start of 2011). Now we face moving Goodman to #1, Smith or Williams to #2, and Smith or Williams to #3. While I think they can handle the responsibility, it is still a step down for every position down the chart. Then you factor in that Goodman himself is an older guy too, and that he may not be here (or will be older), and we face Smith and Williams moving up TWO spots, with nobody to fill at nickle and dime.
If we wait for a good CB prospect until the last moment, there is the potential that the draft pick doesn’t work out. Then we’re stuck. If we draft early, we either bust (with enough time to fix the problem) or hit. If we hit, we have extra time to develop a talent and we have excellent competition for the depth chart.
I don’t think it is too early to get a good CB.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 16, 2009 7:12 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
But is it waiting until the last moment?
In 2011, assuming Champ is gone – which may not happen – you’ll have Goodman, Phonz and Williams which isn’t a bad first 3. So you’re basically covered, and if you use that year for a CB as your #1 pick, then you’re drafting your 4th corner with someone who is supposedly talented. If that guy busts, well bummer, but even if he’s half decent then you’ve still got a pretty good 4 CBs.
And we still haven’t seen what Smith can do yet with a season under his belt. He may be up to the task of being #1. So far so good with him, don’t you think? I bow to your judgement of course HT but is he destined to remain as the nickel or is he supposed to develop enough to become our #1 corner given where he was chosen?
Also waiting until 2011 gives you the chance to retain Champ too at a better price once his contract runs out.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Oct 16, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Hill is 30 and Goody is 31
So, they aren’t spring chickens, either.
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 16, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah of course
Well Hill has 3 young backups behind him so no probs there.
But I don’t think Goodman is going to demand the money (I think his contract runs out at the same time) that Champ is likely to get, even taking their ages into account. So in a couple of years he may still be good value.
I hear what you’re saying. And the one thing I didn’t account for is that the Broncos are only carrying 4 this year which is risky given the amount of Nickel play is required. So a high CB next year wouldn’t surprise me. I’d just wait a year.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Oct 16, 2009 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Rec'd comment
The nickle corner is crucial in today’s game. We need to keep the edge all the way to our dime back.
You beat me to it HT.
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Agreed on all counts HT
It appears fairly clear Nolan values talent in the secondary as much as the front seven, which is interesting because Bellicheck, IMO, values front seven players at least more than his CBs. I say that because several times he has allowed his top CBs to leave and, to my recollection, rarely has used a high pick on a CB. I bring this up because I could see us going 5 technique DE with one of our early picks, like the Pats have in the past. That said, your points about Champ and the value of depth at CB are excellent, and I would happy with picking a CB in the first round.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Oct 16, 2009 9:35 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
re: CBs and DEs
Both those positions look likely for next year’s draft, OrangeandBlue27.
DE is strong, and not just strong the way last year’s was strong — there are DE34s. The fact that the draft offers many DE options, at both the DT and DE position (which can projected as DE34s), means that it’s likely that we’ll find one as a desirable pick. It’s possible that we’ll also find another NT, too, although DE34s are most likely.
CB is an interesting position this year. It was reported that CB was a weak position, which came out as part of the debate over picking Alphonso Smith, but that’s a comment on the overall depth and not the likelihood of picking one early on. There’s enough CBs projected in the early rounds to make it somewhat likely that we’ll take one. Also, KR ability may be a deciding factor in that pick, as it could be for any of our other picks. Safety is also strong enough that we may actually return to that position again. It would create crowding but I view the situation in “fuzzy” terms. There is no way not to create crowding now, since there aren’t any gaping holes that we can draft for.
re: number of DBs. Nolan kept as many as 10 DBs while at SF, so it’s not unlike him to keep a lot. This tendency also explains why I think Safety is still a strong possibility in our next draft. A player such as Barrett could still make the team, but he’d probably be used situationally as a LB in coverage. This is what I mean by “fuzzy.” His position might be listed as a S but he’d be used more as a LB. And depth and versatility — such as Haggan playing either OLB or ILB — would provide us with adequate positional coverage at LB for running stopping.
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"there aren’t any gaping holes that we can draft for."
I believe that McD has what I think is the superior roster management tactic. From what I saw this offseason, I think it’s safe to say that McD is of the camp that you draft for years down the road. Holes that need filling are what free agency is for. Just take a peek at our ’08 secondary, and where the replacements came from.
Love Fields,Thomas and Baker
but ill take some mountain cody! move thomas outside and really get that rotation humming!
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Trade down.
I think they’ll trade down, maybe pick up a first rounder next year and then take an interior O-lineman or a DE that fits the system.
Voted ILB
but really we need C, G, ILB (Davis will need a replacement). Thankfully McXanders did a great job building the roster this year, so at the most we need to start thinking about the future. Bringing guys in to learn and not necessarily start next year.
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I voted other
I wouldn’t be surprised to see them draft a RB in the 1st. C, OG, ILB, all can be gotten in the 2nd -4th rounds
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I voted DE
I like Peterson and McBean, but we don’t have a lot of young depth at the position. Holiday was an awesome pick up and Smith is a solid back up, but I would like to see a good, young 5 technique to groom for the future. Looking at the Pats drafts, I would say D line is a legit possibility, especially where we are likely to pick in the middle to later part of the 1st round.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Oct 16, 2009 9:23 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Here's what I see right now
My list would be Taylor Mays if he slips, he is the next coming of Steve Atwater, and someone who can learn next to Dawkins, if DT McCoy or Suh from Oklahoma or Nebraska slip, I would jump on them since I think they both could play either DE or NT and be plus players, and then my third option would be Colt McCoy out of Texas. I understand the love affair with Orton now, but frankly I still don’t see him as that franchise QB, he can’t make all the throws you want (he still struggles with outs and deep passes), McCoy to me is very similar to Drew Brees and I think he would be a great QB in two to three years. While I like Spikes, I think he was better than any of the LB in last year’s class and I don’t see him lasting past pick 5.
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by Broncoman on Oct 16, 2009 10:13 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
You've got to watch Suh to believe it.
Unbelievable athleticism, and strength. Even more importantly— he’s a true leader. After the loss to Virginia Tech, he blamed it completely on himself. They didn’t give up a touchdown until less than a minute left in the game!
by legendarywalton on Oct 16, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't think they will go with McCoy
or any other QB next year. We picked Brandstater this year. Unless he is a really slow learner I think they will give him time to learn.
Just my opinion of course
I generally have the same opinion
But this is more what I would do if I was drafting, I think it will be unlikely that they would select McCoy unless the wheels come off Orton the rest of the season and Brandistater does not show he can pick up the offense. I just think Colt McCoy will be a special player at the next level, and I would hate to pass on him if the other options aren’t available.
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I really don't see McDaniels as the type of coach who would pick a first rd QB.
We all saw what Brandstater did in his preseason play. First game shakey the next more settled. He is very intellegent and will learn this system and playbook. He will be our starter eventually imo. Mays would be OK.
Brandstater is a sponge.
He has been able to pick up the offense very quickly. Like you said, he was very shaky in the first game and then settled down and played well in the final few games. I feel that McDaniels will have no trouble molding him into a quality QB.
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 16, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
miscellaneous thoughts
Here’s a list of some players I’ve been considering:
(LINK to DrafTek Big Board)
ǂ – juniors
#19 – Arthur Jones (DE34)
#20 – Marshawn Gilyard (WR/KR)
#21 – Ricky Sapp (OLB34)
#22 – Jerry Hughs (OLB34)
#23 – Terrance Cody (NT) - I’m not that high on Cody but he’s a possible
#24 – Eric Decker (WR)
#25 – ǂ Jahvid Best (RB)
#26 – ǂ Jonathan Dwyer (RB)
#29 – Brandon Graham (OLB34)
#39 – Jared Odrick (DE34)
#42 – Corey Wooten (DE34)
I’m leaving a number of players out here, although they belong in this listing. Most notably — the CBs, as well as some WRs and Ss.
Most of the early picks — such as Ndamukong Suh or Eric Berry — won’t be on the board but we’d certainly pick them if they were. Also, some of the juniors, such as Carlos Dunlap, may be available if they declare and we’d almost certainly pick them if they’re available (they won’t be barring unusual circumstances).
Nothing is set in stone this early, and the rankings are arguable but I used DrafTek’s so it’s easy for people to find them in their listing.
NOTE: this is about the first pick mainly. I have some ideas about the later picks but it’s so early that it’s premature to talk about the later picks now. Once the college season is over and underclassmen declare (and combine, etc.) it’s going to be easier to talk about the rest of the draft.
"spontaneous method of irrational knowledge based on the critical and systematic objectivity of the associations and interpretations of delirious phenomena." - Dalí
there are, but not in that section
This particular section of the draft doesn’t have any.
I’m cuing in on who’s available rather than what our needs are. I ‘cut off’ starting in the late teens and went into the early second round. Interior OLs don’t usually rate high enough to warrant selection that early in the draft. There’s a few OTs in that range but I don’t think we can justify taking a Tackle that early.
Interior OL is a need area, IMO, just as it was last year (and one I emphasized then). I’ve thought about this and a combination OT/OG might work. Bulaga fits this mold but he’s at #13. The only other OL in the #19 – #32 range is Capers at #30, and he’s a good ZB type. I expect we’ll take an OL fairly early but not with our first pick.
The point is simple — interior OL is a position to look at when we discuss later rounds, which will be closer to the draft. Also, a FA might fit our needs better. I prefer experience with OLs. There’s an added justification in that we’d like to save our draft picks for areas that we can’t fill through free agency. OL is an area that can be addressed through free agency while other areas can’t be (reasonably). However, I’m not saying that can’t still take an OL in the draft, but a mid-round pick could suffice (i.e., 3 -4).
"spontaneous method of irrational knowledge based on the critical and systematic objectivity of the associations and interpretations of delirious phenomena." - Dalí
No TMays?
Come on Ski, don’t tell me you’re gonna hate on my boy Mays. I wont take anything away from Berry. He has undeniable talent, but he does not have the killer instinct of Mays. No one fears for their well-being catching a ball in front of Berry like they do in front of Mays. Berry will terrorize QB’s with pick-6’s, but Mays will make a lot of receiver’s arms shrink. All this being said, you have to put a huge “if” on Berry entering this draft.
For Mays to end up in Denver, a lot of things must happen.
1. Berry has to declare for this draft, and with Tennessee not exactly a national title contender, this is very possible. The MSM’s love affair with Berry will solidify his #1 safety ranking by April, easily. The whole country will be well acquainted with Eric Berry due to the exposure he will be receiving, and he deserves it. I hope this forces the teams at the top of the draft who are in most dire need of a safety to pick Berry, pushing Mays down.
2. Chicago must also lose 8 – 10 games to put our first round pick in the top half of the first round. McD proved last April that he is not afraid to go after the player he wants, if they are within reach.
3. The coaching staff may have to give up on one of the current young safeties. They put a considerable amount of value in the position last off-season, so it is an obvious priority. I just don’t see them going after another one, in the first round, with Barrett, McBath, and Bruton all in the future plans for the team. Unfortunately, my guess is Barrett would be the one to go since this staff has the least invested in him. (Barrett is my favorite of the three however)
4. Mays’ injury this year, or affects from it, has to put enough doubt in the minds of the decision makers on a team or two, to have them go another direction for their top ten pick. Mays has been fortunate his whole career at SC, at avoiding injury, and has only missed one start in the last four years (to my knowledge). Maybe him getting dinged earlier this season will be a blessing for the Broncos.
Broncoman had it right earlier, Mays is from the Atwater mold. In my mind, I think he will be better, but that remains to be seen. I think he will be a hybrid cross of Atwater, Lott, and Sean Taylor. He has the build of Taylor, but is much faster than he was. He also enjoys hitting like all three players, but his speed and Carroll’s scheme has kept him in the deep backfield playing centerfield for the Trojans for most of his career there. When allowed to blitz or play in the box, Mays has been very successful.
I think he is a special type of player that doesn’t come around often, and next year’s draft may have two of the best safety prospects we’ve seen since Sean Taylor. To be able to get him into Denver and learn from Dawkins is a dream scenario for me, and if it comes true, the drinks are on me next April. The odds of it happening took a hit when we traded our extra first round pick in next year’s draft for ASmith, then went safety twice last April, but there is still a chance. Here’s hoping.
Taylor Mays in '10
Mays will go early
The DT site lists him as going at #3, long before we pick in any scenario. DS also has him at #3, so there’s a consensus opinion that he’ll be gone.
I’d prefer Suh of all the high picks. Also, I’d take Berry over Mays, but it’s not like Mays is a poor choice considering where he goes. It’s just that he won’t be available.
I think the players I’ve listed are a realistic selection of players that will be available at the point that we draft. Oddly, a slightly higher projected pick doesn’t improve our draft, since many of the players we’ll be targeting — IMO — are still available later in the 1st round. We can do well even if our pick doesn’t come till later in the 1st.
"spontaneous method of irrational knowledge based on the critical and systematic objectivity of the associations and interpretations of delirious phenomena." - Dalí
Every player is available...
it’s only dependent on how bad you want them. I don’t think he goes top three, but you won’t have a hard time finding people who will agree with picking Berry over Mays, although I wouldn’t. (If Berry declares) I also think it may be just a little early to put too much stock into what any draft projection site is saying in October, but I agree he will go early. No need to check any one’s big board to figure that out, just have to watch a few games. Not exactly sticking their necks out with that projection, are they. I know you’re a big fan of all the draft sites, I’ve just never found one that was even remotely accurate, but to each their own. I’m more into just watching all the college ball I can.
I think it’s nearly impossible for TMays to fall to us, but like I said, here’s hoping.
I would be more than happy if we had to “settle” for Suh in the 1st. He plays with incredible strength, is constantly disruptive, and is a TFL machine.
Taylor Mays in '10
Mays' value
The team’s recent direction has been towards taking DBs who show pass coverage skills. Part of this philosophy — IMO — is based on the importance of these skills, which have become less common despite the prevalence of spread/passing attacks. CBs “don’t sight the ball anymore” — Mike Mayock. The choice of Alphonso Smith reflects this philosophy, and we chose him based on his demonstrated ball skills even though his height is less than ideal.
Mays doesn’t show a lot of ball skills, as evidenced by his low interception total (5 for career, currently). Berry, on the other hand, shows great ball skills, as evidenced by his interception and pass breakup totals (13 interceptions, currently).
I leave it to others who understand better the developments in the game, but my impression is that Safeties like Mays are more in a LB/S mold. This may be a development that’s come about because of the use of Safeties in the box to support the run. It’s a little different mold than the Safeties of old, who were free-lance DBs that lacked the speed to be CBs, besides possessing the ability to tackle.
I said good things about Mays last year, so I’m certainly not down on him. I do have a problem with idea of taking a Safety that high, especially given the fact that we addressed the position with high(er) picks in 2009’s draft. Berry won’t be available either, so it’s not a question of choosing between the two.
The only player I see as worth moving up for is Ndamukong Suh, but he’s listed as the #1 pick in many rankings so he’s too expensive. This is a good year to sit back and take what falls to us. The cost-effectiveness of the late first round is better than the early first round, and many of the picks in the late first are more suited to our needs. Given this fact, it’s hard to see why we’d want to move up. An added consideration is the need to re-sign a larger than normal group of FAs.
"spontaneous method of irrational knowledge based on the critical and systematic objectivity of the associations and interpretations of delirious phenomena." - Dalí
OG = my vote
are there any prospects that look like they could have Steve Hutchinson type impact? That would be siiiiiick. Knowshon would tear it up like you wouldn’t believe.
by RockyMountainHigh on Oct 16, 2009 7:24 PM MDT reply actions
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